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Posted: 3/28/2022 5:31:29 PM EDT
 
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Posted: 3/28/2022 5:36:41 PM EDT
[#1]
If only we recently had a man in charge who was trying to change this chart...
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Posted: 3/28/2022 5:38:07 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If only we recently had a man in charge who was trying to change this chart... we did but he was mean on Twitter and we can't have that. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 5:38:33 PM EDT
[#3]
i knew it was bad but i didnt know it was that bad.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 5:39:18 PM EDT
[#4]
FCCP
I’m making as much steel as I can. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 5:41:06 PM EDT
[#5]
It's amazing how much difference a total lack of environmental regs makes.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 5:41:54 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's amazing how much difference a total lack of environmental regs makes. And the lack of quality control US Steel > Chinese Steel |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 5:41:58 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FCCP I'm making as much steel as I can.  |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 5:42:58 PM EDT
[#8]
That is sad. We should be knocking that outta the park.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 5:45:46 PM EDT
[#9]
Facks. US is still a manufacturing powerhouse. Why would we want to make steel when we can let the other guys do this.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 5:47:13 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And the lack of quality control US Steel > Chinese Steel Yep, I buy a decent amount of mechanical bar and tube ( almost no structural stuff ) and have several customers that dont allow Chinese steel. All the rest say avoid it if possible. I guess its not so bad if its rebar or angle, but nobody wants to risk it for stuff going downhole. And Im happy for that. Screw china and their pigiron |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 5:48:38 PM EDT
[#11]
I'm good with them destroying their environment.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 5:49:08 PM EDT
[#12]
Thanks Biden for making it cheaper again.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 5:55:39 PM EDT
[#13]
Enviro Nazis with the power of 'Concerned Moms' are doing their best to shut our profitable steel plants down.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 5:59:38 PM EDT
[#14]
Notice that Trump's 10% tariff on foreign steel in 2018 did absolutely nothing to encourage the purchase of US made steel? It just jacked up the price of steel across the board.
We can't find pink-haired skinny jeans young adults to work in fast-food restaurants. You think we could staff our own steel mills again if the majority of our production came home? Fat frickin' chance. The chinese own that market because they have plenty of ore and labor to turn it into steel. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:00:47 PM EDT
[#15]
If I recall correctly, and I do, the 1974-1984 constriction in US production was largely due to Jimmy Carter's failure to protect the US steel industry from "dumping" by the Brits and Japs. Plus Prime Rates in excess of 15% and strict regulations of tax write offs of capital equipment vs overseas competition.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:02:58 PM EDT
[#16]
I'm surprised India isn't higher. An Indian tycoon bought a lot of steel mills in and around Indiana. There used to be all sorts of mills in that area, but many of them are gone.
Other than the remains of US Steel, Mittal owns most of the rest of them in the area. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:03:45 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's amazing how much difference a total lack of environmental regs makes. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:05:32 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm good with them destroying their environment. May be why the Chinese are buying up so much farm & ranch land in the USA  BIGGER_HAMMER 
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:08:10 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Notice that Trump's 10% tariff on foreign steel in 2018 did absolutely nothing to encourage the purchase of US made steel? It just jacked up the price of steel across the board. We can't find pink-haired skinny jeans young adults to work in fast-food restaurants. You think we could staff our own steel mills again if the majority of our production came home? Fat frickin' chance. The chinese own that market because they have plenty of ore and labor to turn it into steel. This, plus State Backing of their industries (along with much State Ownership too)... Communism lets you do a lot of things that we would decry as "socialism!" here in the US of A. BIGGER_HAMMER |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:08:51 PM EDT
[#20]
All of our hardware for work comes from China. I hate it but the company always goes with the cheapest product available.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:09:46 PM EDT
[#21]
Steel guy here. This was poised to change. America is still a great place to manufacture if .guv would get out of the way and I’m not referring to the EPA. It’s the push of everyone into liberal degrees and free money. Steel mill work isn’t the best, but it pays well for those humble enough to accept it needs to be done. I have the utmost respect for our mill workers. What a great group.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:11:09 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: we did but he was mean on Twitter and we can't have that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If only we recently had a man in charge who was trying to change this chart... we did but he was mean on Twitter and we can't have that. Would you rather have booming economy and low gas prices? Are have mean tweets? I know which one I would choose. I don't give a damm what anyone tweets. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:12:33 PM EDT
[#23]
Frankly I expected it to be worse than what is shown
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:12:43 PM EDT
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That's not a surprise at all. IIRC it was mao? who thought the singular metric that identified a nation as making it was how much steel you made. So the moron destroyed his nation in the attempt to be the world's largest steel producer. Even wiki admits it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward#Industrialization Industrialization
People in the countryside working at night to produce steel The minecart leading to the steel base in October 1957 An earthen blast furnace taken in mid-October 1958. Mao saw grain and steel production as the key pillars of economic development. He forecast that within 15 years of the start of the Great Leap, China's industrial output would surpass that of the UK. In the August 1958 Politburo meetings, it was decided that steel production would be set to double within the year, most of the increase coming through backyard steel furnaces.[22] Major investments in larger state enterprises were made: 1,587, 1,361, and 1,815 medium- and large-scale state projects were started in 1958, 1959, and 1960 respectively, more in each year than in the first Five Year Plan.[23] Millions of Chinese became state workers as a consequence of this industrial investment: in 1958, 21 million were added to non-agricultural state payrolls, and total state employment reached a peak of 50.44 million in 1960, more than doubling the 1957 level; the urban population swelled by 31.24 million people.[24] These new workers placed major stress on China's food-rationing system, which led to increased and unsustainable demands on rural food production.[24] During this rapid expansion, coordination suffered and material shortages were frequent, resulting in "a huge rise in the wage bill, largely for construction workers, but no corresponding increase in manufactured goods".[25] Facing a massive deficit, the government cut industrial investment from 38.9 to 7.1 billion yuan from 1960 to 1962 (an 82% decrease; the 1957 level was 14.4 billion).[25] |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:16:17 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, I buy a decent amount of mechanical bar and tube ( almost no structural stuff ) and have several customers that dont allow Chinese steel. All the rest say avoid it if possible. I guess its not so bad if its rebar or angle, but nobody wants to risk it for stuff going downhole. And Im happy for that. Screw china and their pigiron Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And the lack of quality control US Steel > Chinese Steel Yep, I buy a decent amount of mechanical bar and tube ( almost no structural stuff ) and have several customers that dont allow Chinese steel. All the rest say avoid it if possible. I guess its not so bad if its rebar or angle, but nobody wants to risk it for stuff going downhole. And Im happy for that. Screw china and their pigiron I made absolutely fuckin sure the 4130 getting cut for my fuselage was US or Germany sourced. The guys cutting it with the laser don't like cutting the chinese tube come to find out... |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:17:53 PM EDT
[#26]
And more than likely you are going to see Russia surpass us in steel and other heavy manufacturing soon, especially once sanctions are lifted. Europe wants to go back to green energy and back onto Russia's energy tit ASAP.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:17:54 PM EDT
[#27]
Here's the thing... most of the iron ore used to make Chinese steel doesn't actually come from China. Much of it comes from Australia - and other countries as well (Ukraine is one of the world's top exporters to China).
Chinese steel isn't cheap and plentiful because they have lots of iron... it's cheap and plentiful because their labor is cheap and plentiful, and they have more available energy for steel production. However, Australia recently became a net exporter of oil for the first time.... so I guess we'll see what happens. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:18:48 PM EDT
[#28]
And since the backyard steel furnaces were a failure, the local government took the basic metal cooking equipment from the families to replace the steel they were supposed to produce, leaving them unable to prepare any of the food that the government missed during the previous food confiscation.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:22:36 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If only we recently had a man in charge who was trying to change this chart... Dude. He said fuck the other day. We cant have that. It is very unpresidential. 
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:24:04 PM EDT
[#30]
*cries in western pennsylvanian*
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:27:58 PM EDT
[#31]
When you DGAF about the environment, ethics, or the workers, it's easy to dominate the market.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:30:45 PM EDT
[#32]
I had a family member who worked in the US steel industry his entire life. They were doing some very high end fabricating and creating innovative technology in the industry and they had a serious problem in the 80's and 90's with Chinese constantly trying to steal their technology.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:31:26 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's amazing how much difference a total lack of environmental regs makes. its almost as if the envirowackos have a true motivation of nothing more than weakening the evil US |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:36:09 PM EDT
[#34]
The bay bridge went with chyna...
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:36:41 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FCCP I’m making as much steel as I can. Agreed & right on... |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:38:14 PM EDT
[#36]
Around 90% of said steel production ends up being used domestically.
China exports $33b/yr of steel, Japan exports $23b/yr of steel, Germany at ($22B), South Korea at ($20.4B), and Russia at ($16.2B). It'd be great if the US would produce more steel, but the reality isn't near as bad as this chart portrays. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:42:27 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And the lack of quality control US Steel > Chinese Steel  not to mention engineering.......... Attached File |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:43:18 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And the lack of quality control US Steel > Chinese Steel China is a perfectly capable of making very good steel. The problem is that they immediately cut corners the moment you stop checking their quality. In their culture, it is your fault for being stupid enough to trust anything. They aren’t incompetent, just corrupt to the core. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:53:01 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: China is a perfectly capable of making very good steel. The problem is that they immediately cut corners the moment you stop checking their quality. In their culture, it is your fault for being stupid enough to trust anything. They aren’t incompetent, just corrupt to the core. And as time goes on, Q/C is becoming quickly more transparent, and causing alot of suppliers from what I see (And mentioned here) to reject Chinese products and go with countries/suppliers with much better sourcing quality. I just wish the western world would get better at turnaround/adaptations like can be done in Asia. It still takes 3-4 weeks to get a pcb designed here, yet in Asia it can be done nearly overnight. That kind of speed has a huge value. As smaller fabrication via things like 3d printing becomes more mainline, China's lunch is gonna get eaten real, real quick. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:53:18 PM EDT
[#40]
Wow
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:55:13 PM EDT
[#41]
We produce the MOST/ BEST Clowns.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:56:09 PM EDT
[#42]
And we’re living here in Allentown…
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:57:09 PM EDT
[#43]
Chart lies. Chinese steel is actually just magnetic poop.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 6:58:20 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: not to mention engineering..........https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/60489/chicom_building_JPG-2329788.JPG fuckin mondays AmiRight? |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:14:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: not to mention engineering..........https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/60489/chicom_building_JPG-2329788.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And the lack of quality control US Steel > Chinese Steel not to mention engineering..........https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/60489/chicom_building_JPG-2329788.JPG That IS some amazing engineering. I mean look, the thing is still in one piece! 
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:21:51 PM EDT
[#46]
We're witnessing the greatest transfer of wealth in human history.
Currently we're trading cheaply made Chinese goods for US farmland. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:23:52 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And the lack of quality control US Steel > Chinese Steel Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's amazing how much difference a total lack of environmental regs makes. And the lack of quality control US Steel > Chinese Steel This stuff. But we are probably not taking the threat seriously. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:25:02 PM EDT
[#48]
Chinesium is still chinesium.
HY-80 is even superior to it. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:27:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This stuff. But we are probably not taking the threat seriously. What are the Chinese sub hulls made of? Garbage welded by substandard welders following Chinese engineers direction. We don’t have to take it to seriously. Except for trade. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 7:35:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's amazing how much difference a total lack of environmental regs makes. |
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