Is there any good record of all the info so far or is it too soon.

They did a press conference a few hours ago. The dude who was the lead suspect was a SPC not a SGT and worked in a different company as an armorer. Out of all the interviews no one acknowledged or said anything about her saying anything about being sexually harassed.

Which isn't the question. The question is do the benefits of having females in uniform outweighs the drawbacks? How do women help the mission of killing people and breaking things?

Missing Fort Hood soldier was killed in armory, then hacked to pieces, family's attorney says





https://www.armytimes.com/news/your-army/2020/07/02/missing-fort-hood-soldier-was-killed-in-armory-then-hacked-to-pieces-familys-attorney-says/

The documentry was made years ago

I got out in Dec 98 after spending 12.5 years in field artillery, and women weren’t assigned to FA units lower than brigade HQ or equivalent (divarty HQ, corps arty HQ, etc.) However, we did have females in support MOSs assigned/attached during field training and deployments and I don’t recall ever hearing about any sexual misconduct or harassment. In one unit, however, we did have an E7 busted to E5 for sexually harassing an underage female dependent of an an E6 in the unit.

In any case, the problem isn’t male & female soldiers working together, it’s shitty individual soldiers and shitty leadership. I remember an instance when I was a SPC stationed in Korea (89-90) and a bunch of us E1-E4 in the section were talking about women. “If we had females in the unit I’d be trying to fuck one of them!” Our chief spoke up then, saying that we wouldn't because she’s a soldier too. No yelling, no counseling statements or threats of punishment, just straight superior to subordinate talk. So yeah, sometimes young male soldiers will talk like young men instead of young soldiers, but good leaders will be on top of it and good soldiers will learn a lesson. Are things different nowadays? Having enlisted in 86 I had plenty of leaders who’d been around in the post-Viet Nam army so yeah, discipline could absolutely have gone out the window again in some units. Maybe in some units only lip service is being paid to taking care of soldiers’ mental and emotional health after multiple deployments and this kind of stuff is what it leads to. Or maybe leadership schools have cut instruction in army mores and values to cover other subjects. I know we must have spent close to a week on those and related subjects during PLDC in ‘91.

No one investigated it because they didn’t want the stat.

Sounds like what I heard Ft Stewart turned into in the mid-late 90s (I left in Dec 92.)

Victim blaming.


Rapists cause rape. Not pretty victims.

Nah. Policy/leadership blaming.

Wow.

Yeah

Hang them all.

It's not actually strange, because it's not even true.

His body was found in an entirely different town.

26 miles away

Wow she’s only 22

If the spc killed himself, good.

We aren't treating them as full citizens UNTIL THEY PASS THE SAME PT TEST AND DO THE SAME WORK.  Which they do not.

They cannot change a tire on a truck.  They cannot load and ram artillery shells when the hydraulics break.  They cannot carry an 80 pound salvage pump up or down three decks of a ship with one hand.

Nor do we do the women any favors by wrecking their knees and lower legs by encouring them to play like they are Rangers.

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Fucking animals

The pattern is that there are bad people out there.  Always have been.  Always will be.  

I'm sure Sgt. Murderer had plenty of SHARP training.  It just didn't take.

20 year old Specialist with a hand gun

Yeah, the specialist wasn't the one who was being looked at for Sexual harassment, that was an NCO in her support channel I believe

NO ONE was being looked at for harassment, b/c she NEVER reported it...

Only her sister saying that is what she said...

I understand they were 2nd hand allegations but I'm quite certain with all the attention that has been brought to this that the Army scrutinized some people I guess I didn't articulate it very well

It is my understanding they are looking into now..

Thanks for posting that.

So the spin on Twitter is that the Pentagon and therefore it’s commander in Chief are responsible for what happened

Seems like once this didn't fit a narrative it took a nose dive. A young lady who got betrayed by a fellow Soldier won't get a white horse drawn hearse or 4 million in a go fund me. Her family will however receive a flag she is certainly entitled to.

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We gonna hold obama responsible for the Tennessee attacks against my 14th Marine bros?

What about the 2009 Fort hood attack?

I think no matter what happens with the alleged sexual harassment the military is going to be forced to make some changes regarding SHARP I've heard everything from giving investigations over to outside services to establishing a support network for advice from senior female leaders.

 Honestly I really don't know what females go through, I remember as an E-4 when we got a new female there was always a "welcoming committee of senior NCO's taking way to much interest in them I don't see that as much anymore but I'm in a different type of unit. However I have also seen females use that to their advantage and honestly if the army lets them get away with it it's hard to blame the Soldier