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1. Generators(Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy…target of thieves; maintenance etc.)
2. Water Filters/Purifiers 3. Portable Toilets 4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 – 12 months to become dried, for home uses. 5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Oil Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!) 6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much. 7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots. 8. Can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks, kitchen utensils. 9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar 10. Rice – Beans – Wheat 11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,) 12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly) 13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY – note – food grade if for drinking. 16. Propane Cylinders(Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.) 17. Survival Guide Book. 18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.) 19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc. 20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry) 21. Cook Stoves(Propane, Coleman & Kerosene) 22. Vitamins 23. Propane Cylinders and Handle-Holders (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item) 24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products. 25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms) 26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil) 27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item) 28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal) 29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many). 30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels 31. Milk – Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months) 32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST) 33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST) 34. Coleman’s Pump Repair Kit 35. Tuna Fish (in oil) 36. Fire Extinguishers(or..large box of Baking Soda in every room) 37. First aid kits 38. Batteries (all sizes…buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates) 39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies 40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food) 41. Flour, yeast & salt 42. Matches. {“Strike Anywhere” preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first 43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators 44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.) 45. Heavy Duty Work Boots, belts, Jeans & durable shirts 46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, “No. 76 Dietz” Lanterns 47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times) 48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting – if with wheels) 49. Men’s Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc 50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient) 51. Fishing supplies/tools 52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams 53. Duct Tape 54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes 55. Candles 56. Laundry Detergent (liquid) 57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags 58. Garden tools & supplies 59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies 60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc. 61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite) 62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax) 63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel 64. Bicycles…Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc 65. Sleeping Bags& blankets/pillows/mats 66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered) 67. Board Games, Cards, Dice 68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer 69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets 70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks) 71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water) 72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc. 73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave) 74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels) 75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase 76. Reading glasses 77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers) 78. “Survival-in-a-Can” 79. Woolen clothing: socks, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens 80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog 81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO) 82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky 83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts 84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras) 85. Lumber (all types) 86. Wagons & utility carts (for transport to and from) 87. Cots & Inflatable mattress’s 88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc. 89. Lantern Hangers 90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws, nuts & bolts 91. Teas 92. Coffee 93. Cigarettes 94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,) 95. Paraffin Wax 96. Chickens 97. Chewing gum/candies 98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing) 99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs 100. Livestock |
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How can anyone with women in the house not have a stock of TP and feminine products? I shopped for tampons exactly one time. I brought them home and let it be known that it will never happen again. They bought a decent stock after that and started rotating to ensure a supply.
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No way I would use a generator. Too many neighbors in close proximity
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Having been through a real SHTF, well not quite, but post hurricane 2 weeks w/o electricity (in a city)that most Americans have never been through other than a camping trip. The #1 thing you will need is WATER, and WATER, and WATER. View Quote Emergency services distribution points of water and food are relatively serene. Gasoline lines are flashpoints. People get shot. |
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The first layer of defense is ANONYMITY. If no one knows about your preps, you won't need to defend the homestead. This means that the longer the SHTF event lasts, the likelier you will be to be outed. It may be possible to mute the sound of a generator, but can you cover your cooking odors? How's it possible that you are driving ten days after the gas pumps have shut down? Why are you burying fresh chicken bones in your back yard a week after Walmart has been looted? Everyone has the "Omega Man" fantasy, but it's far, far better to be the "Grey Man." If you are shooting at someone, eventually someone's going to shoot back. View Quote |
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Last time we had a SHTF event in 03, we had a total social breakdown for 8 days. It started with a series of Venezuelan funded anti gov't protests, that escalated when the gov't wasted 15 protesters, and everything went apeshit overnight. The protesters blocked ALL the roads to the capital and took the gates of the fuel refinery causing a fuel and food crisis over the weekend. That Monday it was panic at the gas pumps and the supermarkets. We had a food supply, but no idea how long the disaster was going to last. my brother went food shopping, while i emptied my account. some lady went at him for his 10lb ham and he came home with half that ham, a shit ton of ramen noodles and what ever cans were left on the shelf. That night we ferried 300 liters of fuel from the parked cars at a friends auto shop uptown to our neighborhood. This was done at night, evading road blocks with a buddy who was literally riding shotgun, with an actual shotgun. Everyone in the city ended up patrolling their neighborhoods forming ad hoc defense groups, cause the cops and military were overwhelmed with all the fighting uptown. We made bread at a milf's house. We went to the "town meetings" held at plazas. We played lots of drunk monopoly, (cause work and normal life was suspended.) we went through half a case of rum, and got fresh eggs and meat at triple the price during our forays. My friend Mr. Gary had his kid visiting him from the UK. He went to see if his green house was still standing in one of the areas where the protesting was bad on day 5. They ended up in the middle of a gunfight. Gary talked some scared conscripts with FALs and pot helmets into hopping in his isuzu trooper to provide safety. He was getting the hell out of the area, when his ex-wife called his cell. She had been watching this disaster on the bbc. The kid answered, there was gunfire in the background. he was 12 or 13, so the conversation went like this: "mum, we're driving in a war zone with dad, but don't worry, have some soldiers with machine guns in the car just like in the war movies." Gary's ex-wife lost her fucking mind. The kid was on the first plane out once order was restored. Our part of town, the fancy residential area, got militarized on day 6 and the government airlifted food to the capital to resupply the supermarkets. By then a lot of embassies decided to evacuate non essentials and some severely freaked out tourists. On day 7, our skies were full of Peruvian air-force Hind 8's taking folks to the airport, cause our nam era heueys can't fly above 10,000 feet. The president and his cabinet resigned on day 8 with 67 dead, which really ain't that bad, but 10,000 people were on the streets asking for his head. Had he not resigned, we were looking at a 3 month state of siege and an actual civil war. What did we learn? 1.- Put some money away for a rainy day. This thing escalated out of the blue and i was caught totally unprepared. 2.- Keep a fuel Stock 3.- Keep an alcohol and tobacco stock 4.- The practice of buying rice, beans and flour in bulk pays off. 5.- Keep a propane stove and candles ready. 6.- Your neighbors are your first line of defense. Most of the patrols were neighborhood kids and men with big sticks. A communication system was established and people came together to face a common threat. 7.- Intel is priceless. When the government is running a military repression program and the poorer half of town wants to burn down your neighborhood, you need to talk to everyone you know (cops, friends of cops, your friendly army colonel, ministry folks, the cousin to a wife of the chief of staff etc.) to figure out what the hell is really going on. In situations like these, rumors spread like wildfire and its important to know whats real and what is not. A carton of smokes buys a lot of good will. Driving at night to the military roadblocks and offering smokes to the officers and conscripts to get an idea how things were going was priceless. 8.- Guns are iffy in a mess like this. The dudes who had guns kept them quietly in their trucks. There were no cops, we watched our own neighborhoods. This went well, though a dumb kid went all Leroy Jenkins at a roadblock and shot a protester dude with a .22 pistol one morning. He had to ferry the guy to the hospital. fortunatley the guy didn't die and the family settled out of court with a shitload of money once order was restored, cause he was charged with attempted murder. And once you got military folks on the streets, you don't wanna get targeted for having a weapon, or "denounced" for having a weapon. 9.- Prepare to deal with the herd in panic. what really gets people is the stress of being in the middle if a nuclear meltdown, watching it on tv, getting distressed relatives calling in with wild rumors and feeling helpless holed up in a house. Town meetings turned into regular shouting matches cause everyone was in a freak out mode. People went ape shit in the supermarket and normal arguments had a tendency to escalate. maintaining community relations with civility is a priority. Also, here Alcohol becomes a key currency, since the less uptight people will have a drink to blow off steam. 10.- Most SHTF events don't last very long. People want to return to normal. not everyone has a years food supply in their pantry. Once you hit the one week mark, the poor folks who live hand to mouth run out of food and go on the streets. Past that mark, people do really stupid shit. 11.-The amount of perceived social disorder escalates looting. We were able to contain it because the neighborhoods pulled together and established a calm environment. 12.-the idea that we're gonna be in a prolonged mad max apocalypse is only applicable if there is a disaster of biblical proportions. And even those events eventually come to an end. there is always a reckoning, and your behavior will be duly noted by your community. View Quote |
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Last time we had a SHTF event in 03, we had a total social breakdown for 8 days. It started with a series of Venezuelan funded anti gov't protests, that escalated when the gov't wasted 15 protesters, and everything went apeshit overnight. The protesters blocked ALL the roads to the capital and took the gates of the fuel refinery causing a fuel and food crisis over the weekend. That Monday it was panic at the gas pumps and the supermarkets. We had a food supply, but no idea how long the disaster was going to last. my brother went food shopping, while i emptied my account. some lady went at him for his 10lb ham and he came home with half that ham, a shit ton of ramen noodles and what ever cans were left on the shelf. That night we ferried 300 liters of fuel from the parked cars at a friends auto shop uptown to our neighborhood. This was done at night, evading road blocks with a buddy who was literally riding shotgun, with an actual shotgun. Everyone in the city ended up patrolling their neighborhoods forming ad hoc defense groups, cause the cops and military were overwhelmed with all the fighting uptown. We made bread at a milf's house. We went to the "town meetings" held at plazas. We played lots of drunk monopoly, (cause work and normal life was suspended.) we went through half a case of rum, and got fresh eggs and meat at triple the price during our forays. My friend Mr. Gary had his kid visiting him from the UK. He went to see if his green house was still standing in one of the areas where the protesting was bad on day 5. They ended up in the middle of a gunfight. Gary talked some scared conscripts with FALs and pot helmets into hopping in his isuzu trooper to provide safety. He was getting the hell out of the area, when his ex-wife called his cell. She had been watching this disaster on the bbc. The kid answered, there was gunfire in the background. he was 12 or 13, so the conversation went like this: "mum, we're driving in a war zone with dad, but don't worry, have some soldiers with machine guns in the car just like in the war movies." Gary's ex-wife lost her fucking mind. The kid was on the first plane out once order was restored. Our part of town, the fancy residential area, got militarized on day 6 and the government airlifted food to the capital to resupply the supermarkets. By then a lot of embassies decided to evacuate non essentials and some severely freaked out tourists. On day 7, our skies were full of Peruvian air-force Hind 8's taking folks to the airport, cause our nam era heueys can't fly above 10,000 feet. The president and his cabinet resigned on day 8 with 67 dead, which really ain't that bad, but 10,000 people were on the streets asking for his head. Had he not resigned, we were looking at a 3 month state of siege and an actual civil war. What did we learn? 1.- Put some money away for a rainy day. This thing escalated out of the blue and i was caught totally unprepared. 2.- Keep a fuel Stock 3.- Keep an alcohol and tobacco stock 4.- The practice of buying rice, beans and flour in bulk pays off. 5.- Keep a propane stove and candles ready. 6.- Your neighbors are your first line of defense. Most of the patrols were neighborhood kids and men with big sticks. A communication system was established and people came together to face a common threat. 7.- Intel is priceless. When the government is running a military repression program and the poorer half of town wants to burn down your neighborhood, you need to talk to everyone you know (cops, friends of cops, your friendly army colonel, ministry folks, the cousin to a wife of the chief of staff etc.) to figure out what the hell is really going on. In situations like these, rumors spread like wildfire and its important to know whats real and what is not. A carton of smokes buys a lot of good will. Driving at night to the military roadblocks and offering smokes to the officers and conscripts to get an idea how things were going was priceless. 8.- Guns are iffy in a mess like this. The dudes who had guns kept them quietly in their trucks. There were no cops, we watched our own neighborhoods. This went well, though a dumb kid went all Leroy Jenkins at a roadblock and shot a protester dude with a .22 pistol one morning. He had to ferry the guy to the hospital. fortunatley the guy didn't die and the family settled out of court with a shitload of money once order was restored, cause he was charged with attempted murder. And once you got military folks on the streets, you don't wanna get targeted for having a weapon, or "denounced" for having a weapon. 9.- Prepare to deal with the herd in panic. what really gets people is the stress of being in the middle if a nuclear meltdown, watching it on tv, getting distressed relatives calling in with wild rumors and feeling helpless holed up in a house. Town meetings turned into regular shouting matches cause everyone was in a freak out mode. People went ape shit in the supermarket and normal arguments had a tendency to escalate. maintaining community relations with civility is a priority. Also, here Alcohol becomes a key currency, since the less uptight people will have a drink to blow off steam. 10.- Most SHTF events don't last very long. People want to return to normal. not everyone has a years food supply in their pantry. Once you hit the one week mark, the poor folks who live hand to mouth run out of food and go on the streets. Past that mark, people do really stupid shit. 11.-The amount of perceived social disorder escalates looting. We were able to contain it because the neighborhoods pulled together and established a calm environment. 12.-the idea that we're gonna be in a prolonged mad max apocalypse is only applicable if there is a disaster of biblical proportions. And even those events eventually come to an end. there is always a reckoning, and your behavior will be duly noted by your community. View Quote |
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As stated, civility goes out the window as soon as people get hungry. Consumables that will be gone first: -gas is likely first to go, and has consistently been the first thing to run out in every recent disaster. -clean water. In addition to gas panicking, clean water flies off the shelves. If utilities go, water will be a major issue. -food. Especially if you live in an urban center where few families keep more than a few days of food at a time. -batteries, prescription meds, hygiene products, and comfort items. -ammunition will probably be a little ways down the list. As we have seen in every disaster, people grab all the consumables they can as fast as they can. Which is why *you* need to ensure you have adequate food, water, medical, and hygiene stores for your family. Even just 2-4 weeks worth will give you a major head up. But one thing that will run out post-haste is SECURITY. You *will* need friends. And you *will* need 24-hour security. If this is a true SHTF scenario, the unprepared will get desperate. And desperate people will do desperate things like kill their neighbors for food, clean water, and other supplies. And yes, a generator will make you a prime target if used in earshot of others. View Quote |
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How are 1-Gallon Ziplock bags, not on that list? They are handy not just for food and water storage but also waterproofing things you don't necessarily want to get wet (TP Rolls)
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Quoted: My basement is filled with thousands of old phone books, white and yellow. View Quote |
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How are 1-Gallon Ziplock bags, not on that list? They are handy not just for food and water storage but also waterproofing things you don't necessarily want to get wet (TP Rolls) View Quote Guess what we don't have right now? ![]() |
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One thing that few people mention is simple chemicals, like baking soda. Baking soda has multiple uses; it's good for basic odor control, for emergency deodorant, and dozens of other uses.
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Someone else's list. Your opinions may vary. https://www.preparedsurvivalist.org/these-100-items-disappear-first-during-a-national-crisis/ View Quote |
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Antibiotics are already stored. MREs are stacked deep and high. Have enough water for a couple months, same with tp. Ammo and weapons enough for a small army.
I'd spend my time loading up on fresh fuel to suppliment the older. More fresh water although I have the means to clean some nasty shit. Med supplies from a pharmacy would come in handy. Already have surgical and first aid equip. and know how to use it pretty much. Pantry is full of canned goods. My focus would be on light (batteries, candles, flashlights). Fuel for cooking. More water. More canned goods. We would have to hunker in due to age and supplies. Grab all the tp and paper towels I can find. If all we did is hunker down with what we have, 6 months would be about it. By that time I'll be hunting for food in the suburbs and our meds will have dried up. Fuel and power might still be good. Food would be getting low. When all else fails I'll still have plenty of fire power to protect me and mine. My wife would bring in a close friend, as would I. Sometimes your best friends can be totally defenseless but they'd still be our defenseless, best friends. No way around it. Plenty of heat for winter. Water in summer. |
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I'm hopeful that we'll get some information about this stuff from some folks in Venezuela after they get their shit together. I remember reading ferfals blog back in the day. It was an interesting thing to be able to watch a collapse happen like that. View Quote |
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Take home an old McMasters - Carr book. You can use it to wipe and its a great fire starter. It has thousands of pages..
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Opioids. As soon as TSHF all pharmacies will be raided for opiates. Smart people will go in afterwards to collect all the discarded antibiotics View Quote Walgreens would be next |
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Don't tell people that you stockpile stuff, otherwise they tell other people and you wind up with mobs of people at your door demanding you share.
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