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Posted: 11/25/2019 10:37:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I wonder how many they are actually selling. But IMHO, if this is like a GTI on steroids, it might actually be worth it. get your 19 while you can, they're going away for a while... nice cars, I like em, the active suspension is great.. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 10:42:07 AM EDT
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Wonder if they offer the option to mate the TDI with the AWD Trans? I had a TDI Golf back in the day, loved it. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 10:57:08 AM EDT
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I have a 2019 Golf R variant, the wagon.
The 7 speed DSG is fantastic but I do miss driving a manual sometimes. It's very easy to mod them to 400-450 HP and still be reliable. My only gripe is it needs decent speakers and better sound deadening, which will be fixed soon. With the suspension in comfort mode it's very easy to forget what its capable of. The wife likes to embarrass Porsche drivers with it. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 11:04:44 AM EDT
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At the risk of sounding oldv and nostalgicv and Eurofaggyv, there was something really special about the “racy” hatchbacks of the 1980s in Europe. Not just the Golf, but the Peugeot 205 and the Ford Escort. Those were some FUN cars. 
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Posted: 11/25/2019 11:04:47 AM EDT
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I have a 2019 Golf R variant, the wagon. one of the cars that would be great here but we don't get. man I would love to see an Alltrack R. something like this with the golf R motor. 
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Posted: 11/25/2019 11:10:49 AM EDT
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I got a 19 GTI earlier this year and love it. My only concern is I may move to snow country and wish I had gotten the R for AWD.
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Posted: 11/25/2019 11:14:06 AM EDT
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2016-R 6MT here. The DSG is faster 0 > 60, but it is not how fast you get 0 > 60, but how much fun you have getting there.
My previous car was an STI. There is no comparing the fit and finish of a Subaru v. VW. A WRX/STI is a great car for a young'un that wants a cheap car. The -R is a hot rod for adults. DVC_117, mine is Tornado Red too. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 11:15:24 AM EDT
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I've got a 2019 that looks just like the OP. The DSG also has launch control...it's fun.
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Posted: 11/25/2019 11:23:13 AM EDT
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Veloster N is the current hot hatch that checks nearly all the boxes.
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Posted: 11/25/2019 11:25:29 AM EDT
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Veloster N is the current hot hatch that checks nearly all the boxes. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 11:32:47 AM EDT
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Veloster N is the current hot hatch that checks nearly all the boxes. 
Curious to see how the car evolves though. As the chief engineer for the Focus RS joined Hyundai earlier this year. Maybe they will let him take the Veloster to the next level. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 11:39:52 AM EDT
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There is a British racing green R that’s been showing up around town lately. I still think that custom paint options they had going was pretty damn cool. It’s a shame that they allowed the dealers to waste their allotment by letting them choose the color instead of the customer.
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Posted: 11/25/2019 11:41:39 AM EDT
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At the risk of sounding old and nostalgic and Eurofaggy, there was something really special about the “racy” hatchbacks of the 1980s in Europe. Not just the Golf, but the Peugeot 205 and the Ford Escort. Those were some FUN cars. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 11:51:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Except the whole Hyundai thing. And its ugly as sin. Quote HistoryQuoted: Except the whole Hyundai thing. And its ugly as sin. Quoted:
Not enough power, not AWD, not interested
Curious to see how the car evolves though. As the chief engineer for the Focus RS joined Hyundai earlier this year. Maybe they will let him take the Veloster to the next level. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 12:06:59 PM EDT
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$40k price tags on a hot hatch is retarded. Sorry. I love them but the price is too stupid when $26k gets you a WRX. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 12:17:20 PM EDT
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even if you buy it used, you're going to get eaten alive by depreciation |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 1:08:25 PM EDT
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04 master race checking in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I had a 2008 R32. If they made one without so many doors I'd consider getting the R. 
Me too. Still all stock because I can't afford to mod. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 1:41:20 PM EDT
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I love MY A3 and the GTI but going in, you should know the cost. There is an embedded flash count and... they check the size of the flash in memory, if it doesn't match, your car gets flagged and no warranty.
The engineering is overdone at times. I had a balance shaft fail when an oil screen / check valve failed in the cam bridge. Same thing can jam up a tensioner. They are a ton of fun though. Just know what you are going into. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 2:10:56 PM EDT
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I am not interested in a awd hatch. Adds a bunch of weight, I want light as possible. That’s partly how Honda made the type r such a destroyer of track times. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 2:15:55 PM EDT
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Have a '17 R and it's a blast to drive. Dsg is the way to go.
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Posted: 11/25/2019 2:17:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you seen what clean/low mile first gen R32s well for? I'd say VW is in line with the current crop of hot hatches, with the Type R and the RS holding their value slightly better than the Golf R and STI. YMMV based on market ofc. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 2:40:04 PM EDT
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I wish Audi would bring the S3/RS3 hatch over here.
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Posted: 11/25/2019 2:43:25 PM EDT
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What are your thoughts on the digital dashboard? With the electrical issues my vw’s have had I’d be nervous to have the entire display be digital.
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Posted: 11/25/2019 2:48:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am not interested in a awd hatch. Adds a bunch of weight, I want light as possible. That’s partly how Honda made the type r such a destroyer of track times. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:
Not enough power, not AWD, not interested
Curious to see how the car evolves though. As the chief engineer for the Focus RS joined Hyundai earlier this year. Maybe they will let him take the Veloster to the next level. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 2:48:45 PM EDT
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The R's are awesome. The 2.0tsi is one of the better motors VW has made. I have a mk7 gti and just from a jb4 tuner I jumped to 300hp. Not a lot compared to my rx7 but for its size it turns it into a little beast.
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Posted: 11/25/2019 2:49:46 PM EDT
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I test drove a manual 2019 for the hell of it and it was so damn slow it boggled my mind.
Car needs more boost from the factory and fewer doors. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 2:50:52 PM EDT
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I think there is a healthy dose of supply and demand there that the current generation of R's won't see. Even Subaru is seeing the same thing with their current generation of STI. The volume sold has increased which has greatly increased the availability on the used market and lowered the price of all of them. I'd say VW is in line with the current crop of hot hatches, with the Type R and the RS holding their value slightly better than the Golf R and STI. YMMV based on market ofc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Have you seen what clean/low mile first gen R32s well for? I'd say VW is in line with the current crop of hot hatches, with the Type R and the RS holding their value slightly better than the Golf R and STI. YMMV based on market ofc. I was prepared for the worst after my previous Focus ST depreciated about $10k in 2 years ($27k to $17-18k). |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 2:53:26 PM EDT
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I think there is a healthy dose of supply and demand there that the current generation of R's won't see. Even Subaru is seeing the same thing with their current generation of STI. The volume sold has increased which has greatly increased the availability on the used market and lowered the price of all of them. I'd say VW is in line with the current crop of hot hatches, with the Type R and the RS holding their value slightly better than the Golf R and STI. YMMV based on market ofc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Have you seen what clean/low mile first gen R32s well for? I'd say VW is in line with the current crop of hot hatches, with the Type R and the RS holding their value slightly better than the Golf R and STI. YMMV based on market ofc. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 2:58:16 PM EDT
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I have an 03' Mini Cooper S with around 230hp that I paid $7,500 a few years ago. I love small, quick, fun to drive cars....but I would never pay $40K for one.
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Posted: 11/25/2019 3:00:45 PM EDT
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That is why I can't bear the idea of getting rid of my 2012 A3 6 speed. A3 sedans just don't do it for me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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At the risk of sounding old and nostalgic and Eurofaggy, there was something really special about the “racy” hatchbacks of the 1980s in Europe. Not just the Golf, but the Peugeot 205 and the Ford Escort. Those were some FUN cars. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 3:19:02 PM EDT
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I have an 03' Mini Cooper S with around 230hp that I paid $7,500 a few years ago. I love small, quick, fun to drive cars....but I would never pay $40K for one. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 3:27:07 PM EDT
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I have an 03' Mini Cooper S with around 230hp that I paid $7,500 a few years ago. I love small, quick, fun to drive cars....but I would never pay $40K for one. arfcom logic at its finest. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 3:40:42 PM EDT
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19 DSG Here
I was originally considering the S5 or RS5 sportback. Given I drive 40k miles a year, I tested an s3 on a whim and ended up with the R. Digital Dash is great, although not as nice as Audi. On the flip side I would say finishes and the cabin are a little nicer on the VW than the Audi. I see a ton of other R s in my AO, mostly older professionals that use them as highway machines. I think VW is targeting a different group than the sti/GTI /type R crowd. It’s German and it requires German maintenance... at least the labor rate is the cheapest of the Germans. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 4:10:08 PM EDT
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I picked up a 16 R DSG in lapiz blue like the OP's pic a couple months ago. Super fun car.
My brother has a 16 GTI that's stage 2 tuned right now. It's a screamer. He'll be dropping in a bigger turbo to go to 450hp soon. It will be nuts. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 4:19:02 PM EDT
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I owned a 15 for a while. If you spend a couple grand and take it to stage 2, it will put up supercar numbers. Of course it can't compete on the big end, but I don't know anywhere you can drive on the street at 100mph. 0-60 under 4 seconds with a tune and a couple bolt on. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 4:21:09 PM EDT
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would like a coupe with more headroom
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Posted: 11/25/2019 4:28:13 PM EDT
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2016-R 6MT here. The DSG is faster 0 > 60, but it is not how fast you get 0 > 60, but how much fun you have getting there. My previous car was an STI. There is no comparing the fit and finish of a Subaru v. VW. A WRX/STI is a great car for a young'un that wants a cheap car. The -R is a hot rod for adults. DVC_117, mine is Tornado Red too. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 4:32:53 PM EDT
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I wish Audi would bring the S3/RS3 hatch over here. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 4:39:32 PM EDT
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I loved my stage 1 GTI with DSG. I thought about upgrading to a R but decided the Mustang was a better value. I wish I could have both.
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Posted: 11/25/2019 4:55:51 PM EDT
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I wish Audi would bring the S3/RS3 hatch over here. RS Q3 is on the horizon for the US (maybe) - 400HP. 
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Posted: 11/25/2019 5:47:15 PM EDT
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Not enough power, not AWD, not interested
Curious to see how the car evolves though. As the chief engineer for the Focus RS joined Hyundai earlier this year. Maybe they will let him take the Veloster to the next level. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Veloster N is the current hot hatch that checks nearly all the boxes.
Curious to see how the car evolves though. As the chief engineer for the Focus RS joined Hyundai earlier this year. Maybe they will let him take the Veloster to the next level. Also Hyundai's statements (and backing them up) that certain mods and tracking the car won't void the warranty are a huge plus. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 5:49:57 PM EDT
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I test drove a manual 2019 for the hell of it and it was so damn slow it boggled my mind. Car needs more boost from the factory and fewer doors. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 5:50:50 PM EDT
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Except the whole Hyundai thing. And its ugly as sin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Veloster N is the current hot hatch that checks nearly all the boxes. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 6:09:29 PM EDT
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At the risk of sounding old and nostalgic and Eurofaggy, there was something really special about the “racy” hatchbacks of the 1980s in Europe. Not just the Golf, but the Peugeot 205 and the Ford Escort. Those were some FUN cars. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 6:11:58 PM EDT
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I have owned several VWs in the past and loved them all.
I would have one right now if their quality didn't go south. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 6:14:07 PM EDT
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That one was priced at 41K. I'm not buying one - just musing on a cool, current automobile out there these days. So dumb |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 6:16:43 PM EDT
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I drove one 2 weeks ago with the DSG. Its very fast, the 0-60 time is like 4.5 seconds. Think about it - that little car, AWD and 300HP. Handles like its on rails and it sticks like nobody business. The thing that hesitated me is its $41K. Thats a lot of cabbage. Yes, the R's have strong resale value but STILL 41K FOR A GOLF. I have had a bunch of VWs including a GTI, they are indeed fun to drive. For a little more money (like 50K) you can pick up a used Boxster/Caman with low mileage. As great as the R is, its no Porsche. For less money you could buy a GTI with no AWD and less HP. Than there is Subaru. Just as a sidetone - with the R's there is no sunroof available AT ALL. Some bullshit why the certification of the body with the engine for the govmt. Who buys a 41K car without a sunroof? I want more headroom and no leaks. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 6:23:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 4.8 sec 0-60 is "so damn slow it boggled your mind"? +1 on never owning another car with a sun roof. The sunroof on my Subaru RS-2.5 whistled like a banshee over 130mph. I ended up duck taping it. |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 6:26:18 PM EDT
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Veloster N is the current hot hatch that checks nearly all the boxes. It's a funny thing, I've read more than once about the MKVII GTI that it was "too good" or "too refined." Even this article, https://www.thedrive.com/new-cars/28844/2019-hyundai-veloster-n-vs-2019-vw-golf-gti-comparison-review-two-hot-hatches-blitz-the-track, includes the phrase, "Despite showing tremendous capability and German-like precision, the rollercoaster felt more like a technical exercise than a quest for fun." |
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Posted: 11/25/2019 6:28:27 PM EDT
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I have a ‘19 R with the 6speed manual. Extremely fun car!!!! Enjoy!  its that blue too.
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