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Originally Posted By Commander_Keen: What model watch do you have? That metric keys off a lot of things (taking more into account the newer the watch is) - typical pace, HR, training volume, as well as how it views your sleep, recovery, and stress levels if you wear it daily and at night. And that prediction (which are typically pretty off) is also a snapshot in time - it will change as those metrics all change as well. But when your training volume is constant the predictions also stay fairly constant. It's likely taking that increase in training volume (and likely other things as well) and thinking that you're more tired and thus not able to run as fast right now - but if your training volume dropped, you did some sharpening workouts, and recovered more that predicted time would likely go down as well. Fenix 7 solar sapphire. My HRV is low and watch is saying I’m strained. Sleep has been garbage lately. I was wondering if the “no recovery” is a big factor in the prediction time rising. |
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Originally Posted By Trod7308: Fenix 7 solar sapphire. My HRV is low and watch is saying I’m strained. Sleep has been garbage lately. I was wondering if the “no recovery” is a big factor in the prediction time rising. Originally Posted By Trod7308: Originally Posted By Commander_Keen: What model watch do you have? That metric keys off a lot of things (taking more into account the newer the watch is) - typical pace, HR, training volume, as well as how it views your sleep, recovery, and stress levels if you wear it daily and at night. And that prediction (which are typically pretty off) is also a snapshot in time - it will change as those metrics all change as well. But when your training volume is constant the predictions also stay fairly constant. It's likely taking that increase in training volume (and likely other things as well) and thinking that you're more tired and thus not able to run as fast right now - but if your training volume dropped, you did some sharpening workouts, and recovered more that predicted time would likely go down as well. Fenix 7 solar sapphire. My HRV is low and watch is saying I’m strained. Sleep has been garbage lately. I was wondering if the “no recovery” is a big factor in the prediction time rising. Yeah, that's exactly what it is. Once that rebounds the predictions will change favorably. |
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Originally Posted By R3L04D: 6.2 10k Turkey Trot. Ran pretty hard. Felt good until mile 3ish where the course turned and I ended up running into the wind for about 1.5 miles down a road. From there we turned around and I had it at my back, but don't really feel like those efforts canceled each other out lol. Didn't realize it was supposed to be windy at all but that's the way it goes sometimes. Chip time was 47:12, which was a PR. Garmin predicts 45:14 and VDOT was 46:54, so overall both systems were close and I think I could have reached those times if it weren't for the windy section in the middle of the run. Overall happy with my performance. Happy Thanksgiving all. Congratulations! That's a great time, and in less than stellar conditions. And you'll never get as much back from a downhill or tailwind as the uphill or headwind took from you. |
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Originally Posted By R3L04D: 6.2 10k Turkey Trot. Ran pretty hard. Felt good until mile 3ish where the course turned and I ended up running into the wind for about 1.5 miles down a road. From there we turned around and I had it at my back, but don't really feel like those efforts canceled each other out lol. Didn't realize it was supposed to be windy at all but that's the way it goes sometimes. Chip time was 47:12, which was a PR. Garmin predicts 45:14 and VDOT was 46:54, so overall both systems were close and I think I could have reached those times if it weren't for the windy section in the middle of the run. Overall happy with my performance. Happy Thanksgiving all. Good job man! That’s a good time! |
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Brooks runners - I found out about Brooks Restart today. Brooks sells shoes that have been returned as used or like new with good discounts. They are also offering 10% off right now. I got 3 current gen models (Ghost Max 2, Hyperion Max 2, and Glycerin 21), $500 worth of retail pricing for $270 delivered. Brooks Restart, you can look it up |
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Originally Posted By R3L04D: How do you feel? Longest I've done is 15.5 so far and I'm curious how things change from 15-20 lol During my actual marathon training program (Hansons) earlier this year (Jan-may) the longest run I was supposed to do was 16 and i did a few 17’s. I felt great. One day I ran a HM trail marathon, then smashed some pizza and a few beers, ran 7 more that afternoon for a total of 20. Today, I ran 20 straight, stopping only to take a piss under a bridge. I’m actually on a 32 day running streak. Previous to starting this streak I was battling quad pain and kept taking 2-3 days off at a time. During this streak I have been really focusing on form, keeping heart rate low, trying to stay In zone 2. Mostly in zone 3 by just a few BPM. Eating everything. I don’t have time to set aside for a solid strength training regimen, so I will just do split squats, single leg RDL’s, goblet squats, lunges anywhere I can. Whether it be living room, bedroom, hallway. Think a mixture of all these things is helping keep the injuries away. I feel great, due to endorphins. How I actually feel, I’ll let you know tomorrow! lol. |
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| 166.41 for November, 1526.88 for the year. Taking this week easy for the marathon on the 8th, then right back to it. Shooting for a finish time between 3:05-3:20. |
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Originally Posted By bip_master: 166.41 for November, 1526.88 for the year. Taking this week easy for the marathon on the 8th, then right back to it. Shooting for a finish time between 3:05-3:20. |
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Originally Posted By R3L04D: Are you following a training program? What's the weather like in Hawaii right now? Originally Posted By R3L04D: Originally Posted By bip_master: 166.41 for November, 1526.88 for the year. Taking this week easy for the marathon on the 8th, then right back to it. Shooting for a finish time between 3:05-3:20. Today was 85 and sunny. My motivation for a good time is because it starts getting really warm around 7:30 and I don’t want to be running in the heat any longer than I need to. My training program is just running. I very loosely followed the Hal Higdon training plan with a mix of long/slow, long/tempo, medium/slow, medium/tempo, and short/hauling ass. I jokingly call it blunt force training because it is basically just running probably way faster than I should be to build an aerobic base. This upcoming race will let me know if it worked or if I really fucked up. I define (for myself) slow to be in the 8-9 minute range. Tempo is the 7-8 minute range, and hauling ass is 6-7. I keep telling myself to add in some track work and intervals but that is a next year plan. |
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Originally Posted By bip_master: Marathon sucked. Started out way too fast and started cramping at mile 18. Finished at 3:45. Happy with it for my first time. Congrats on the marathon. What was your goal time? Is there anything else you think you could have done differently ? Nutrition days prior to race, nutrition during, gear, water intake? Just asking out of curiosity and hoping to improve my own running. I remember seeing you log a rather long tempo run at a rather fast pace, and was impressed. |
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Originally Posted By bip_master: Marathon sucked. Started out way too fast and started cramping at mile 18. Finished at 3:45. Happy with it for my first time. Yes, marathons do suck! I don't know why I've done so many of them... But in all seriousness, congratulations. That's a great time, especially for a first marathon, and you should be happy with that. The marathon is very tricky to get right, "a lot too fast" doesn't feel like too fast at all until it piles up on you many miles later, by which time it's too late to do anything about it. Consider it a good learning experience. |
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Originally Posted By Trod7308: Congrats on the marathon. What was your goal time? Is there anything else you think you could have done differently ? Nutrition days prior to race, nutrition during, gear, water intake? Just asking out of curiosity and hoping to improve my own running. I remember seeing you log a rather long tempo run at a rather fast pace, and was impressed. Originally Posted By Trod7308: Originally Posted By bip_master: Marathon sucked. Started out way too fast and started cramping at mile 18. Finished at 3:45. Happy with it for my first time. Congrats on the marathon. What was your goal time? Is there anything else you think you could have done differently ? Nutrition days prior to race, nutrition during, gear, water intake? Just asking out of curiosity and hoping to improve my own running. I remember seeing you log a rather long tempo run at a rather fast pace, and was impressed. Goal time in reality was sub 3:30, but I spent the last couple weeks focused on sub 3:20. Told myself for months I need to run my own race and not shoot out of the gate. Failed the second part. First five miles were around 6:50 average, at which point my HR was about 10 bpm higher than what I wanted to maintain. Spent the next 7 miles trying to calm it down, developed some pain in my left hip flexor at mile 12, and then started cramping all over both legs at mile 18. It was a gut check for sure. Gear-wise would change nothing. Wore a Nike dri-fit top that did not rub my nips, a pair of WOLACO tights, bombas socks, and shoes were the Hoka Rocket X2. I also carried an Orange Mud single quiver pack. There was plenty of water and Gatorade stations on the course so not sure I would need the pack for the next time. During the race I took 8 Gu packs. Might try some other nutrition during my next training series but for this one I didn’t want to change up what I had been already using. Strength wise I felt great. Never hit a wall where I just couldn’t keep going. If I can figure out the cramping and how to prevent it then I think I’ll be ok. |
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Originally Posted By bip_master: Goal time in reality was sub 3:30, but I spent the last couple weeks focused on sub 3:20. Told myself for months I need to run my own race and not shoot out of the gate. Failed the second part. First five miles were around 6:50 average, at which point my HR was about 10 bpm higher than what I wanted to maintain. Spent the next 7 miles trying to calm it down, developed some pain in my left hip flexor at mile 12, and then started cramping all over both legs at mile 18. It was a gut check for sure. Gear-wise would change nothing. Wore a Nike dri-fit top that did not rub my nips, a pair of WOLACO tights, bombas socks, and shoes were the Hoka Rocket X2. I also carried an Orange Mud single quiver pack. There was plenty of water and Gatorade stations on the course so not sure I would need the pack for the next time. During the race I took 8 Gu packs. Might try some other nutrition during my next training series but for this one I didn’t want to change up what I had been already using. Strength wise I felt great. Never hit a wall where I just couldn’t keep going. If I can figure out the cramping and how to prevent it then I think I’ll be ok. Originally Posted By bip_master: Originally Posted By Trod7308: Originally Posted By bip_master: Marathon sucked. Started out way too fast and started cramping at mile 18. Finished at 3:45. Happy with it for my first time. Congrats on the marathon. What was your goal time? Is there anything else you think you could have done differently ? Nutrition days prior to race, nutrition during, gear, water intake? Just asking out of curiosity and hoping to improve my own running. I remember seeing you log a rather long tempo run at a rather fast pace, and was impressed. Goal time in reality was sub 3:30, but I spent the last couple weeks focused on sub 3:20. Told myself for months I need to run my own race and not shoot out of the gate. Failed the second part. First five miles were around 6:50 average, at which point my HR was about 10 bpm higher than what I wanted to maintain. Spent the next 7 miles trying to calm it down, developed some pain in my left hip flexor at mile 12, and then started cramping all over both legs at mile 18. It was a gut check for sure. Gear-wise would change nothing. Wore a Nike dri-fit top that did not rub my nips, a pair of WOLACO tights, bombas socks, and shoes were the Hoka Rocket X2. I also carried an Orange Mud single quiver pack. There was plenty of water and Gatorade stations on the course so not sure I would need the pack for the next time. During the race I took 8 Gu packs. Might try some other nutrition during my next training series but for this one I didn’t want to change up what I had been already using. Strength wise I felt great. Never hit a wall where I just couldn’t keep going. If I can figure out the cramping and how to prevent it then I think I’ll be ok. Oof, 6:50/mi is safely into sub-3 marathon territory - that was likely closer to 10k pace than marathon pace. It's easy to get swept up in the excitement of a race, especially after a taper when you're feeling really good. 8 GUs isn't bad at all for calories. Personally, I prefer some of the newer, higher-carb gels that are also easier on the stomach (most don't need water). Styrkr is my go-to, Maurten are super-popular, and the Science in Sport Beta Fuel ones are also good (and likely the least expensive of the three). Definitely test during training, though. Electrolytes could have been a reason for cramping, but that's hard to say as cramping frequently happens if you go out too hard for your level of fitness. There are electrolyte tabs/chews available (electrolytes in gels or sports drinks typically aren't enough), but being super up on sodium, magnesium, and potassium in the days/week before a marathon really helps, too. |
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Originally Posted By Commander_Keen: Oof, 6:50/mi is safely into sub-3 marathon territory - that was likely closer to 10k pace than marathon pace. It's easy to get swept up in the excitement of a race, especially after a taper when you're feeling really good. 8 GUs isn't bad at all for calories. Personally, I prefer some of the newer, higher-carb gels that are also easier on the stomach (most don't need water). Styrkr is my go-to, Maurten are super-popular, and the Science in Sport Beta Fuel ones are also good (and likely the least expensive of the three). Definitely test during training, though. Electrolytes could have been a reason for cramping, but that's hard to say as cramping frequently happens if you go out too hard for your level of fitness. There are electrolyte tabs/chews available (electrolytes in gels or sports drinks typically aren't enough), but being super up on sodium, magnesium, and potassium in the days/week before a marathon really helps, too. Originally Posted By Commander_Keen: Originally Posted By bip_master: Originally Posted By Trod7308: Originally Posted By bip_master: Marathon sucked. Started out way too fast and started cramping at mile 18. Finished at 3:45. Happy with it for my first time. Congrats on the marathon. What was your goal time? Is there anything else you think you could have done differently ? Nutrition days prior to race, nutrition during, gear, water intake? Just asking out of curiosity and hoping to improve my own running. I remember seeing you log a rather long tempo run at a rather fast pace, and was impressed. Goal time in reality was sub 3:30, but I spent the last couple weeks focused on sub 3:20. Told myself for months I need to run my own race and not shoot out of the gate. Failed the second part. First five miles were around 6:50 average, at which point my HR was about 10 bpm higher than what I wanted to maintain. Spent the next 7 miles trying to calm it down, developed some pain in my left hip flexor at mile 12, and then started cramping all over both legs at mile 18. It was a gut check for sure. Gear-wise would change nothing. Wore a Nike dri-fit top that did not rub my nips, a pair of WOLACO tights, bombas socks, and shoes were the Hoka Rocket X2. I also carried an Orange Mud single quiver pack. There was plenty of water and Gatorade stations on the course so not sure I would need the pack for the next time. During the race I took 8 Gu packs. Might try some other nutrition during my next training series but for this one I didn’t want to change up what I had been already using. Strength wise I felt great. Never hit a wall where I just couldn’t keep going. If I can figure out the cramping and how to prevent it then I think I’ll be ok. Oof, 6:50/mi is safely into sub-3 marathon territory - that was likely closer to 10k pace than marathon pace. It's easy to get swept up in the excitement of a race, especially after a taper when you're feeling really good. 8 GUs isn't bad at all for calories. Personally, I prefer some of the newer, higher-carb gels that are also easier on the stomach (most don't need water). Styrkr is my go-to, Maurten are super-popular, and the Science in Sport Beta Fuel ones are also good (and likely the least expensive of the three). Definitely test during training, though. Electrolytes could have been a reason for cramping, but that's hard to say as cramping frequently happens if you go out too hard for your level of fitness. There are electrolyte tabs/chews available (electrolytes in gels or sports drinks typically aren't enough), but being super up on sodium, magnesium, and potassium in the days/week before a marathon really helps, too. Well, got an email for early registration at a hefty discount for the 2025 Honolulu Marathon so signed up. I’ll check out some of the different gels over the next year and see if i find something new. Will also check out the electrolyte chews. |
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Well I'm injured  I've been dealing with knee pain off and on. Without really paying attention, I ended up having a 52 mile week after previously hovering around 35-38. I think my schedule had me rearranging some of my workouts and it just happened. I was zoned into my training just kinda plugging away at life like I've read about marathon training. Couple that with my high output 10k on Thanksgiving, my knee is really pissed. I took a week off, then ran 2 back to back easy days, and immediately the pain was back. I haven't ran since. This has all been since around Thanksgiving; I probably ran once or twice after my 10k before stopping. Finally got into a PT appointment this Wednesday. We'll see what they say. I'm pretty disappointed because I feel like this may really impact my ability to run a marathon in Feb. |
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Originally Posted By R3L04D: Well I'm injured I've been dealing with knee pain off and on. Without really paying attention, I ended up having a 52 mile week after previously hovering around 35-38. I think my schedule had me rearranging some of my workouts and it just happened. I was zoned into my training just kinda plugging away at life like I've read about marathon training. Couple that with my high output 10k on Thanksgiving, my knee is really pissed. I took a week off, then ran 2 back to back easy days, and immediately the pain was back. I haven't ran since. This has all been since around Thanksgiving; I probably ran once or twice after my 10k before stopping. Finally got into a PT appointment this Wednesday. We'll see what they say. I'm pretty disappointed because I feel like this may really impact my ability to run a marathon in Feb. That sucks dude. I was injured back in feb. Wife is an ortho NP so got a MRI for free. Had the results read to me over the phone while I was at the gym, basically took off running once I was read the results. Ran my marathon in May just 3 months later. My only unsolicited advice is to not skip strength training. I got obsessive with “knee strengthening” videos. “Runners exercise” videos. Once i went to the PT after I got a different injury in July, every exercise he had me do, I had previously attempted and watched them being done on youtube. Not taking anything away from them (PT) as I think they're important. But, lots of free information out there. |
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Originally Posted By Trod7308: That sucks dude. I was injured back in feb. Wife is an ortho NP so got a MRI for free. Had the results read to me over the phone while I was at the gym, basically took off running once I was read the results. Ran my marathon in May just 3 months later. My only unsolicited advice is to not skip strength training. I got obsessive with "knee strengthening" videos. "Runners exercise" videos. Once i went to the PT after I got a different injury in July, every exercise he had me do, I had previously attempted and watched them being done on youtube. Not taking anything away from them (PT) as I think they're important. But, lots of free information out there. I'mm hoping PT can give me some feedback on how I pick up and recover from here. Do I slowly add miles in to try to get back to full marathon training? Do I reset my expectations and run a slower race because I won't be able to train at a higher level? How long do I take off from running completely before I get back to training? |
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Originally Posted By R3L04D: I have little to no doubt that strength training is probably what caused this. I knew I needed to be better about that and I simply ignored it. I'm really frustrated with myself that I basically put myself in this situation. I'mm hoping PT can give me some feedback on how I pick up and recover from here. Do I slowly add miles in to try to get back to full marathon training? Do I reset my expectations and run a slower race because I won't be able to train at a higher level? How long do I take off from running completely before I get back to training? I’m very green when it comes to running mechanics. I would say to start with PT consult. Possibly be ok with accepting a slightly slower end goal time. Do all you can to strengthen your glutes and core. I’m sure you’re in the same boat, time restricted, but I will just grab a kettle bell and pop out a few rounds of single leg Bulgarian split squats between making dinner/changing diapers. Maybe a round of goblet squats. I don’t think I stretch enough or strength train enough. But, I try. Hoping for a positive outcome for you! |
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| I’m finally back in the swing. Full marathon recovery took a couple weeks and I’m way behind my peak monthly pace but pushing hard to finish the year with at least 100 miles per month. Only 8.5 more to go for December. |
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