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Posted: 11/24/2021 9:56:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tesla says its Cybertruck will do zero to 60 mph in 2.9 seconds. A bullet-resistant stainless-steel truck that accelerates like a Lamborghini. With kids in the back seat, even. Yep impressive as hell let’s see them do it with RWD. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 9:56:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've never owned a drag car. Some of you don't know how fast ice can be while still being reliable when you don't have to pass emissions lol. I'm a hobbyist and not forced to follow the rules that oems are. Take the government restrictions off ICE and you would be amazed what the oems are capable of. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So you daily drive a dragster that you built yourself? Can it go 100,000 miles before major service? Can you build a million of these and warranty them? This is the stupidest comparison ever. I've never owned a drag car. Some of you don't know how fast ice can be while still being reliable when you don't have to pass emissions lol. I'm a hobbyist and not forced to follow the rules that oems are. Take the government restrictions off ICE and you would be amazed what the oems are capable of. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 9:58:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep impressive as hell let's see them do it with RWD. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Tesla says its Cybertruck will do zero to 60 mph in 2.9 seconds. A bullet-resistant stainless-steel truck that accelerates like a Lamborghini. With kids in the back seat, even. Yep impressive as hell let's see them do it with RWD. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 9:58:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No oxygen sensors, no transmissions, no exhaust systems, no oil changes, motors with only one moving part. Plain bearings? |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:01:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I feel the same. Bring on the hate. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Give me diesel or gas any day over EV crap. I feel the same. Bring on the hate. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:04:55 AM EDT
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where can i buy one? whats the warranty like? runs on regular premium right?
if all you care about is fast you wouldn't be on 4 wheels anyway. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:05:08 AM EDT
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Electric drive is awesome. Energy storage sucks, until the "big breakthrough" comes. That may happen tomorrow, it may happen 200 years from now... anyone's guess.
On-board generation (hydrogen fuel cell, combustion-generation hybrid, etc.) is the best of all worlds, and would actually help make things better... so naturally the global elites do what they can to kill it. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:07:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Arfcom ev threads are so delusional its unbearable. Go look at the old tesla threads a few years back They are filled with people screaming musk is a con man, that only an idiot would invest in his product that will never make it to market etc. This forum has been overwhelmingly wrong about electric cars. The second there is a breakthrough in battery tech it's all over. Username irony |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:09:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I won't bash EVs but I love the sound and fury gas engines going like hell. EVs just seem to be more of programing in data and letting sensors and computers do their thing. While Gas and diesel take a lot of work to get everything right enough to go faster. I like seeing the results from a bunch of work. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Give me diesel or gas any day over EV crap. for fun though, ev is kind of meh. There's some Tesla plaids that show up at the drag strip routinely, and it's just software racing. Not very exciting. now once the aftermarket world takes off, while different story. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:10:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only thing slower than an ev is a snail hauling a turtle. LOL, my wife's 6 seater grocery getter EV does 0-60 in 4 seconds and it's not even the performance version. What's your benchmark car here? A 2010 Nissan Leaf? |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:11:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Call me back when a non nuke EV wins the cannonball run. If that's your criteria for buying a car, you need to fix your commute |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:13:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not old, not a boomer, but I like burning dead dinosaurs. And EVs suck. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Old boomers hating everything they don't understand lol Muh gasolineeeee Evs are still gay though Not old, not a boomer, but I like burning dead dinosaurs. And EVs suck. Neither car in OP burns dead dinosaurs Corn feed gas cars are boring |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:13:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The number of 500 range ICE vehicles is fairly slim and they take longer than 5 min to fill up. I’d be more worried about low temperatures - that kills my model 3 range. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'll consider buying an EV when I can get a 500 mile charge in the 5 minutes it takes me to fill the tank on my ICE vehicle Well if they can do 400 and 5 min charge AND doesn't cost a fortune and be offered in a full size suv. The number of 500 range ICE vehicles is fairly slim and they take longer than 5 min to fill up. I’d be more worried about low temperatures - that kills my model 3 range. The battery/range thing has a ways to go for sure. That's why EVs are awesome 2nd cars but not awesome 1st cars. We do well at my house with a gas supercrew F-150 and an EV Tesla. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:13:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd be interested in a DD electric if I didn't live in the sticks. for fun though, ev is kind of meh. There's some Tesla plaids that show up at the drag strip routinely, and it's just software racing. Not very exciting. now once the aftermarket world takes off, while different story. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Give me diesel or gas any day over EV crap. for fun though, ev is kind of meh. There's some Tesla plaids that show up at the drag strip routinely, and it's just software racing. Not very exciting. now once the aftermarket world takes off, while different story. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:13:30 AM EDT
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I used to want the fastest cars but then I grew up
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:14:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would they handicap themselves? It's so easy to make the EVs as AWD vehicles why would they choose to leave performance on the table if performance is a selling point in many cases. That’s the point. EV engines themselves aren’t capable of making more power than ICE yet. AWD is the advantage they have. It’s easy to make over 1000 hp street able with ICE and state of the art ICE can make thousands of hp, but when limited by RWD it’s hard to compete with AWD. I’m not against EV I’m against government mandates and only wanting people to understand the advantage of AWD. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:16:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Guy shows up in his DD Tesla, runs fast as fuck, wrecks most people with ICEs, has a great time, drives home comfortably. Rumrunner358 knows better though, the Tesla guy didn't have fun. Except AWD is illegal in most drag racing classes so the Tesla wouldn’t be allowed to race in any of the fun stuff like heads up small tire no prep. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:16:33 AM EDT
[#18]
The ignorance in this thread burns.
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:17:19 AM EDT
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There is so much derp in this thread that I wouldn't even know where to start.
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:18:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd be interested in a DD electric if I didn't live in the sticks. for fun though, ev is kind of meh. There's some Tesla plaids that show up at the drag strip routinely, and it's just software racing. Not very exciting. now once the aftermarket world takes off, while different story. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Give me diesel or gas any day over EV crap. for fun though, ev is kind of meh. There's some Tesla plaids that show up at the drag strip routinely, and it's just software racing. Not very exciting. now once the aftermarket world takes off, while different story. Depends on what you're doing I can appreciate that an ETOH car on a straight track with some complex wrench turning is a thing of beauty, where as a Tesla just drops numbers. BUT, an EVs torque curve (straight line) in corners is hilarious and they have a VERY low center of gravity and add in regenerative braking to save the pads and boost range. A Porsche or BMW EV in turns is a thing of beauty. I spend a lot on tires.  |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:18:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Except AWD is illegal in most drag racing classes so the Tesla wouldn't be allowed to race in any of the fun stuff like heads up small tire no prep. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Guy shows up in his DD Tesla, runs fast as fuck, wrecks most people with ICEs, has a great time, drives home comfortably. Rumrunner358 knows better though, the Tesla guy didn't have fun. Except AWD is illegal in most drag racing classes so the Tesla wouldn't be allowed to race in any of the fun stuff like heads up small tire no prep. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:18:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Plain bearings? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No oxygen sensors, no transmissions, no exhaust systems, no oil changes, motors with only one moving part. Plain bearings? They have coolant and coolant pumps. The also have 4 wheels the move and steering components that move. They have brake calipers with moving parts. They have windows that move up and down. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:19:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll consider buying an EV when I can get a 500 mile charge in the 5 minutes it takes me to fill the tank on my ICE vehicle Cue the thread about "zomg by the time I take a piss and eat my lunch my EV is all charged up, what are you complaining about!". |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:20:02 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tesla says its Cybertruck will do zero to 60 mph in 2.9 seconds. A bullet-resistant stainless-steel truck that accelerates like a Lamborghini. With kids in the back seat, even. If it didn't look like something a 4 year old drew, I'd consider buying one. Make it look like a regular truck with a frunk so you didn't need a storage box for all your crap in the bed. Kharn |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:20:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the point. EV engines themselves aren't capable of making more power than ICE yet. AWD is the advantage they have. It's easy to make over 1000 hp street able with ICE and state of the art ICE can make thousands of hp, but when limited by RWD it's hard to compete with AWD. I'm not against EV I'm against government mandates and only wanting people to understand the advantage of AWD. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why would they handicap themselves? It's so easy to make the EVs as AWD vehicles why would they choose to leave performance on the table if performance is a selling point in many cases. That's the point. EV engines themselves aren't capable of making more power than ICE yet. AWD is the advantage they have. It's easy to make over 1000 hp street able with ICE and state of the art ICE can make thousands of hp, but when limited by RWD it's hard to compete with AWD. I'm not against EV I'm against government mandates and only wanting people to understand the advantage of AWD. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:21:22 AM EDT
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Idk...
According to my buddy: How do you plan to drive your Diesel or gas powered vehicles in the future when; the availability of fuel is limited and astronomically priced, registration for them is banned, restricted or priced crazy high, restrictions on when and where you can drive them, like HOV lanes. When they decide to drop the hammer on ICE vehicle use, it's not going to be like Red Barchetta where you can do outlaw driving on Sundays. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:21:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The point is the advantage of awd which most EV’s have and is ignored by most as the primary reason they are so quick. My daily has ran faster than a Tesla plaid and I built the motor myself. I also only have 40g in it. Bought car for 15 and spent 25 on parts. I’m just a shade tree guy. Imagine if the oem’ spur awd in little passenger cars with boosted V8’s then we would see an apples to apples comparison. Or an ev that was rwd vs a modern ice muscle car. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:22:13 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tesla says its Cybertruck will do zero to 60 mph in 2.9 seconds. A bullet-resistant stainless-steel truck that accelerates like a Lamborghini. With kids in the back seat, even. If Tesla's Cybertruck hits production with its claims actualized, a Cybertruck will be my next truck. I won't care that I will have the ugliest truck in 3 counties, or that I have to make "Vroom... Vroom" noises when I drive off. Hopefully, the aftermarket will help with aesthetics:  |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:26:55 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Only way is replaceable battery like a Milwaukee power tool Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'll consider buying an EV when I can get a 500 mile charge in the 5 minutes it takes me to fill the tank on my ICE vehicle It's never going to happen. The idea was floated and abandoned a decade ago by Tesla and for lots of good reasons. It would be a big limiter on range and reliability and it's probably be much more expensive. The future is more range combined with faster and more ubiquitous charging. It obviously matters but it doesn't need to match gas fill times perfectly because there's a convenience offset associated with the fact that you can charge while you sleep, eat, shop, ect whereas you absolutely can not with a gas car. In the interim, it's 100% a case of different tools for different applications. EVs win hands down as commuter cars, grocery getters, and second vehicles where your normal daily driving is within the range range of the battery. ICE wins hands down for towing and long distance driving. If you are part of a two vehicle family, then it's obviously something to kick around. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:29:07 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep impressive as hell let’s see them do it with RWD. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Tesla says its Cybertruck will do zero to 60 mph in 2.9 seconds. A bullet-resistant stainless-steel truck that accelerates like a Lamborghini. With kids in the back seat, even. Yep impressive as hell let’s see them do it with RWD. Why would anyone even want rear-wheel-drive only? |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:30:21 AM EDT
[#31]
Figured someone would have stated this already but OP only has part of the picture.
Don't have experience against the Plaids but I drive a built awd STi with more power and less weight than a Model 3 Performance but there is no way I can match that cars 0-60 or mid 11's in the quarter. Beyond being AWD, electric motors have the additional advantages of being able to output 100% of rated torque from 0 rpm as well as no shifting. An EV's power band starts out at max torque and decreases as RPMs go up. They effectively get a perfect launch from a dig every single time without effort. However, this is also why they are kind of one-trick ponies. They fall off quickly past triple digits. While my STi is just getting started past 100mph and will happily cruise at 140 all day long, the Tesla M3P will struggle to get up there and will be very unhappy trying to hold it. If you want to beat a Tesla, challenge it to a 40 roll. Most Tesla owners know this which is why you will get few takers and it has nothing to do with it being AWD. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:31:32 AM EDT
[#32]
Quoted: Even 4 cylinder ICE are still faster than EV’s. It’s all about the all wheel drive advantage. Fastest EVO’s in the world lol compare 4 door luxury car to caged racecar........ and 4 door wins 99% of the time |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:32:25 AM EDT
[#33]
Fastest production vehicle currently is the Tesla model S Plaid.
Quarter mile in 9.26 seconds. Faster than McClaren. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:32:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:33:12 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If Tesla's Cybertruck hits production with its claims actualized, a Cybertruck will be my next truck. I won't care that I will have the ugliest truck in 3 counties, or that I have to make "Vroom... Vroom" noises when I drive off. Hopefully, the aftermarket will help with aesthetics: https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/lifted-tesla-cybertruck-looks-like-a-stealth-hammer-139229_1.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Tesla says its Cybertruck will do zero to 60 mph in 2.9 seconds. A bullet-resistant stainless-steel truck that accelerates like a Lamborghini. With kids in the back seat, even. If Tesla's Cybertruck hits production with its claims actualized, a Cybertruck will be my next truck. I won't care that I will have the ugliest truck in 3 counties, or that I have to make "Vroom... Vroom" noises when I drive off. Hopefully, the aftermarket will help with aesthetics: https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/lifted-tesla-cybertruck-looks-like-a-stealth-hammer-139229_1.jpg Form follows function: they're elegantly beautiful bullet-resistant electric tanks. If they have HALF the payload and towing capacity and acceleration and range that Tesla is claiming, they'll still be awesome trucks. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:35:24 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep impressive as hell let’s see them do it with RWD. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Tesla says its Cybertruck will do zero to 60 mph in 2.9 seconds. A bullet-resistant stainless-steel truck that accelerates like a Lamborghini. With kids in the back seat, even. Yep impressive as hell let’s see them do it with RWD. Isn't Fords 1400 already running 8.0 or so??? I don't get this thread, LOL |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:35:25 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep impressive as hell let’s see them do it with RWD. Lmao why That argument is as retarded as the guys that got butthurt about turbo engines beating them |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:36:57 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody fucking cares about drag racing class rules, that is the furthest thing from the minds of 99.99999999999% of buyers of any vehicle. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT HAVE AWD BECAUSE ITS NOT ALLOWED IN THE DRAG |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:37:36 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They have coolant and coolant pumps. The also have 4 wheels the move and steering components that move. They have brake calipers with moving parts. They have windows that move up and down. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:38:19 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If it didn't look like something a 4 year old drew, I'd consider buying one. Make it look like a regular truck with a frunk so you didn't need a storage box for all your crap in the bed. Kharn Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Tesla says its Cybertruck will do zero to 60 mph in 2.9 seconds. A bullet-resistant stainless-steel truck that accelerates like a Lamborghini. With kids in the back seat, even. If it didn't look like something a 4 year old drew, I'd consider buying one. Make it look like a regular truck with a frunk so you didn't need a storage box for all your crap in the bed. Kharn The Cybertruck will never... ever happen in it's current form. It will look like a bar of soap by the time it falls into crash standards and such. (Which would probably make it look better) |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:38:40 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have two of them on order. Form follows function: they're elegantly beautiful bullet-resistant electric tanks. If they have HALF the payload and towing capacity and acceleration and range that Tesla is claiming, they'll still be awesome trucks. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Tesla says its Cybertruck will do zero to 60 mph in 2.9 seconds. A bullet-resistant stainless-steel truck that accelerates like a Lamborghini. With kids in the back seat, even. If Tesla's Cybertruck hits production with its claims actualized, a Cybertruck will be my next truck. I won't care that I will have the ugliest truck in 3 counties, or that I have to make "Vroom... Vroom" noises when I drive off. Hopefully, the aftermarket will help with aesthetics: https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/lifted-tesla-cybertruck-looks-like-a-stealth-hammer-139229_1.jpg Form follows function: they're elegantly beautiful bullet-resistant electric tanks. If they have HALF the payload and towing capacity and acceleration and range that Tesla is claiming, they'll still be awesome trucks. Exactly. I really liked that they are coming out with (hopefully) a bed cover that has solar cells. Tesla claims that it can charge 15 miles from sunlight during your work day. I have a 22 mile round-trip commute for work. Kinda cool, but I probably won't get it due to cost-to-benefit ratio. If I plug the damned thing in every day, I'll never have to deal with running out of power. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:42:04 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Cybertruck will never... ever happen in it's current form. It will look like a bar of soap by the time it falls into crash standards and such. (Which would probably make it look better) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Tesla says its Cybertruck will do zero to 60 mph in 2.9 seconds. A bullet-resistant stainless-steel truck that accelerates like a Lamborghini. With kids in the back seat, even. If it didn't look like something a 4 year old drew, I'd consider buying one. Make it look like a regular truck with a frunk so you didn't need a storage box for all your crap in the bed. Kharn The Cybertruck will never... ever happen in it's current form. It will look like a bar of soap by the time it falls into crash standards and such. (Which would probably make it look better) I dunno. I am not an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but my understanding is that the standards center around bumper height, waistline height, etc. I can't see anything on the existing Cybertruck design that would be a no-no. I suspect that it will go into production very similar to what we are seeing. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:42:20 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody fucking cares about drag racing class rules, that is the furthest thing from the minds of 99.99999999999% of buyers of any vehicle. Then why do EV’s always bring up 1/4 mile times in every thread? Traction is the number one issue in drag racing. That’s the game of drag racing. Tuning an engine and suspension to get the most power down with traction possible and competing against the tuning ability of the competition. That is why awd is illegal. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:42:24 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Range has been the only deal-breaker, and the next generation of batteries will likely change that. LoL… They have been saying that for the last 100 years! |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:43:53 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The ignorance in this thread burns. Yep that’s why no one got the actual point of AWD being a huge advantage over RWD. It was never an anti EV thread. The entire purpose was to acknowledge the advantage of awd when EV owners talk about how fast they are in the 1/4 mile. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:44:35 AM EDT
[#46]
love my diesel
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:45:51 AM EDT
[#47]
Ev allows incredible advancement in technology. In the old days when you had engine management and traction control you closed the throttle to mitigate tire spin. You closed the throttle to shift, you cut timing to help control the variable and you had to do it to 100% of your engine. Now ev stuff can send 100% to 3 wheels and 96 % to 1 wheel if its the slippin tire. Its less fun then 300 ft smokeys but it is fast, new high end ev stuff is absolutely scary fast.
I guarantee all the nay sayers have never driven a tesla, or a taycan. It definitely lacks the sound and the smell and the 3rd pedal but I promise its faster then anything 98% of this board has ever driven. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:45:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then why do EV's always bring up 1/4 mile times in every thread? Traction is the number one issue in drag racing. That's the game of drag racing. Tuning an engine and suspension to get the most power down with traction possible and competing against the tuning ability of the competition. That is why awd is illegal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nobody fucking cares about drag racing class rules, that is the furthest thing from the minds of 99.99999999999% of buyers of any vehicle. Then why do EV's always bring up 1/4 mile times in every thread? Traction is the number one issue in drag racing. That's the game of drag racing. Tuning an engine and suspension to get the most power down with traction possible and competing against the tuning ability of the competition. That is why awd is illegal. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:46:42 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I want to hear about how your wife drops the kids off at school and swings by the grocery store in your inexpensive home-made dragster. It’s not a dragster. Still has full interior back seats etc. Many are oblivious at how easy it is to run faster than 9.0 in the 1/4 with modern ICE technology. This isn’t the 60’s where only race cars could do it. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 10:47:44 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why? Who cares? Why would anyone even want rear-wheel-drive only? The point of the thread...you missed it. |
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