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Posted: 4/6/2023 10:21:53 PM EDT
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You can kill elk just fine with a 6.5 creed. Don't be a tard, know your and the rounds limitations and it will be fine.
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Posted: 4/6/2023 10:22:50 PM EDT
[#2]
7 SAUM is a better cartridge. It’s what the 6.5 PRC should’ve been.
To your question OP, it’s slightly better for larger game than CM. Both will kill an elk within reason. That said I prefer the 7 SAUM for that job. |
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Posted: 4/6/2023 10:23:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
7 SAUM is a better cartridge. It’s what the 6.5 PRC should’ve been. |
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Posted: 4/6/2023 10:26:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good luck finding brass. Or ammo. Hey I just got another 50 rounds of ADG brass after being on back order over a year.  They had it in stock on ADGs website for about 5 minutes about six months ago. Given the demand for brass, it’s definitely going through a well deserved rebirth at the moment among the LR crowd. Just need some major manufacturers to start supporting it again. |
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Posted: 4/6/2023 10:30:44 PM EDT
[#5]
I love shooting long range target and I have a RPR 6.5 CM and a RPR 6.5 PRC.
If I were to do it again, I'd replace the RPR 6.5 PRC with a rifle that shoots the 7MM PRC. I don't think that the reloading and shooting costs for the 6.5 PRC are worth it for the slight performace increase over the 6.5 CM.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/6/2023 10:34:54 PM EDT
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I would say it does what the creed does better.
I don’t really think of it as a magnum step above 6.5 CM. Now 6mm PRC would be a definite step up from 6.5creed, but then again there’s the 6mm creed, and really you get better barrel life with 6CM, and a .24 bullet is small. I would say 6mmCM for short action handy carrying 20”-22” rifle and either a RUM RSAUM or something from Wheatherby would be better as heavier 24-26” magnum build. I would go with something between .28-.35” |
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Posted: 4/6/2023 10:44:17 PM EDT
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6.5 PRC is relatively popular because it gives you some added kinetic energy at longer ranges that people prefer for hunting Western game. All while in a short action.
As others have noted, there are probably better cartridges for this, if that's you're reasoning, although some people probably like the synergy of good BC and lower recoil from 6.5 PRC. Most of the tests I have seen say if you want a more powerful hunting round for added safety buffer at range, the 7 PRC is the way to go. Sure, its a long action round, but I dont really see that as a negative. If this is just about pounding steel... well, 6mm is what almost everyone in PRS shoots. |
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Posted: 4/6/2023 10:44:37 PM EDT
[#8]
6.5 Precision Rifle Cartridge was designed for shooting competition.
It is a factory Sammi version of George Gardners 6.5 GAP 4S. It was designed for shooting heavy high BC 6.5 bullets in long distance high wind competitions. |
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Posted: 4/6/2023 10:48:23 PM EDT
[#9]
If you want to go farther than 6.5 CM, and or hit a game animal harder than a 6.5 CM., a 6.5mm diameter pill is a pretty small choice to do it. If you need more, get more.
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Posted: 4/6/2023 10:57:33 PM EDT
[#10]
Op all those game animals can be effectively taken with 6.5cm if your shooting them at 1-400 yds
The PRC delivers proper performance/deformation of the bullet from 1-600yds So as you reach out further it becomes much more useful if you care about “effectiveness” https://youtu.be/AeUztOFGkVE |
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Posted: 4/6/2023 10:58:15 PM EDT
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Just yesterday some old guy started talking about 6.5 PCC when I was doing my usual BS’ing with one of my parts guys.
Had never heard of it. |
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Posted: 4/6/2023 11:01:27 PM EDT
[#12]
The PRC would've been better in a longer action, like a medium action.
The Creed and the PRC will stack elk just fine. |
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Posted: 4/6/2023 11:09:59 PM EDT
[#13]
Laughs in 300PRC
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Posted: 4/6/2023 11:11:55 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey I just got another 50 rounds of ADG brass after being on back order over a year.
They had it in stock on ADGs website for about 5 minutes about six months ago. Given the demand for brass, it’s definitely going through a well deserved rebirth at the moment among the LR crowd. Just need some major manufacturers to start supporting it again. |
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Posted: 4/6/2023 11:26:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its a really neat round, I had one in a Model 7 years ago....but even then, brass/ammo was unobtanium, COVID only made it worse. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hey I just got another 50 rounds of ADG brass after being on back order over a year. They had it in stock on ADGs website for about 5 minutes about six months ago. Given the demand for brass, it’s definitely going through a well deserved rebirth at the moment among the LR crowd. Just need some major manufacturers to start supporting it again. Its a really neat round, I had one in a Model 7 years ago....but even then, brass/ammo was unobtanium, COVID only made it worse. I saw over on the Hide guys are necking the 6.5 PRC up to 7. Don't know how close that comes to 7SAUM but the brass is probably going to be easier to find forever 
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Posted: 4/6/2023 11:30:56 PM EDT
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I wanted a “do it all” light weight mountain rifle, so I built a 7lb 6.5PRC and absolutely love it. 1/2moa with factory ammo, 300fps faster than 6.5cm, and it still shoots soft enough to be very pleasant. In fact, suppressed it shoots amazingly soft.
I also have a 7 SAUM (and a 7 rem mag). I really like the 7 SAUM, but unless I was shooting bison/moose, or shooting past 1k yards I’d rather shoot the 6.5PRC. |
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Posted: 4/6/2023 11:34:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/7/2023 12:25:05 AM EDT
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I have 6.5 Grendel
6.5 creedmoor 6.5 prc .26. Nosler 6.5 prc excels at prs match’s and longer range hunting. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 12:27:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 7 SAUM is a better cartridge. It's what the 6.5 PRC should've been. To your question OP, it's slightly better for larger game than CM. Both will kill an elk within reason. That said I prefer the 7 SAUM for that job. You misspelled 28 Nosler. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 12:27:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have 6.5 Grendel 6.5 creedmoor 6.5 prc .26. Nosler 6.5 prc excels at prs match's and longer range hunting. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:23:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You misspelled 28 Nosler. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 7 SAUM is a better cartridge. It's what the 6.5 PRC should've been. To your question OP, it's slightly better for larger game than CM. Both will kill an elk within reason. That said I prefer the 7 SAUM for that job. You misspelled 28 Nosler. The long-skinny 28 Nosler packs a punch but has nowhere near the accuracy potential of the SAUM/PRC. I’ve seen a lot of 1/4moa 7SAUMs and I’ve never seen a 28 Nosler that could even manage 1moa. Most published tests I’ve read show it averaging over 1.3moa. That’s not very impressive in 2023. Meanwhile the 7 SAUM crowd is out banging steel at over a mile just for fun. 28 Nosler is still cool though. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 6:08:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The long-skinny 28 Nosler packs a punch but has nowhere near the accuracy potential of the SAUM/PRC. I've seen a lot of 1/4moa 7SAUMs and I've never seen a 28 Nosler that could even manage 1moa. Most published tests I've read show it averaging over 1.3moa. That's not very impressive in 2023. Meanwhile the 7 SAUM crowd is out banging steel at over a mile just for fun. 28 Nosler is still cool though. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 7 SAUM is a better cartridge. It's what the 6.5 PRC should've been. To your question OP, it's slightly better for larger game than CM. Both will kill an elk within reason. That said I prefer the 7 SAUM for that job. You misspelled 28 Nosler. The long-skinny 28 Nosler packs a punch but has nowhere near the accuracy potential of the SAUM/PRC. I've seen a lot of 1/4moa 7SAUMs and I've never seen a 28 Nosler that could even manage 1moa. Most published tests I've read show it averaging over 1.3moa. That's not very impressive in 2023. Meanwhile the 7 SAUM crowd is out banging steel at over a mile just for fun. 28 Nosler is still cool though. LOL wut? I was working for a custom rifle builder right when 28 Nosler became the new hotness in MT/Idaho for long range elk hunting, before the PRC's came out. We built a bunch of them with Proof barrels and every single one shot sub 0.5MOA with factory Nosler Accubonds. We loved the 28 because it wasn't picky and we didn't have to do load work up for the accuracy-proofing, we'd just grab a box of Accubonds and go shoot a tiny group. I'd like to know which company's rifles skewed those numbers. A survey asking the accuracy complainers about their rifle would be very telling. I'd put money on Christensen fucking up the perception of the round because we knew they were dogshit and they were one of the few early off-the-shelf options with that chambering. With all that we heard and saw in the shop, our advice was to stay the hell away from Christensen. We also had a customer bring in his Nosler-branded rifle in 30 Nosler and it was garbage. Every customer we built a rifle for in 28 Nosler absolutely loved it. I guarantee the bad reputation is due to the guns and/or bad builders, not the round itself. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:04:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL wut? I was working for a custom rifle builder right when 28 Nosler became the new hotness in MT/Idaho for long range elk hunting, before the PRC's came out. We built a bunch of them with Proof barrels and every single one shot sub 0.5MOA with factory Nosler Accubonds. We loved the 28 because it wasn't picky and we didn't have to do load work up for the accuracy-proofing, we'd just grab a box of Accubonds and go shoot a tiny group. I'd like to know which company's rifles skewed those numbers. A survey asking the accuracy complainers about their rifle would be very telling. I'd put money on Christensen fucking up the perception of the round because we knew they were dogshit and they were one of the few early off-the-shelf options with that chambering. With all that we heard and saw in the shop, our advice was to stay the hell away from Christensen. We also had a customer bring in his Nosler-branded rifle in 30 Nosler and it was garbage. Every customer we built a rifle for in 28 Nosler absolutely loved it. I guarantee the bad reputation is due to the guns and/or bad builders, not the round itself. I personally can’t comment on the 28 Noslers accuracy potential. Ballistically it certainly packs a punch. Reason I like the SAUM so much is balance. As the other poster mentioned it is superbly accurate in my experience. Zero issues getting 1/4 MOA groups. Recoil is mild, barrel life is good for its capability. All done in a lightweight short action. It is perfectly appropriate for anything in the lower 48. The 28 Nosler is a great elk cartridge, but it’s a barrel burner. Recoil is noticeably stouter. It’s a bit much for antelope and smaller deer IMO.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:22:27 AM EDT
[#24]
6.5 PRC does everything its little brother does just slightly better.
There are people out there who weren't comfortable with the 6.5 Creedmoor on certain times of game (people who are wrong). PRC just gets you a little bit of extra headroom, which is important under certain conditions. If you want to know the in depth why listen to this:  Ep. 023 - 6.5 PRC Now that 7 PRC is a thing, I think it squeezes out the market for the 6.5 PRC guys. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:25:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL wut? I was working for a custom rifle builder right when 28 Nosler became the new hotness in MT/Idaho for long range elk hunting, before the PRC's came out. We built a bunch of them with Proof barrels and every single one shot sub 0.5MOA with factory Nosler Accubonds. We loved the 28 because it wasn't picky and we didn't have to do load work up for the accuracy-proofing, we'd just grab a box of Accubonds and go shoot a tiny group. I'd like to know which company's rifles skewed those numbers. A survey asking the accuracy complainers about their rifle would be very telling. I'd put money on Christensen fucking up the perception of the round because we knew they were dogshit and they were one of the few early off-the-shelf options with that chambering. With all that we heard and saw in the shop, our advice was to stay the hell away from Christensen. We also had a customer bring in his Nosler-branded rifle in 30 Nosler and it was garbage. Every customer we built a rifle for in 28 Nosler absolutely loved it. I guarantee the bad reputation is due to the guns and/or bad builders, not the round itself. There is an entire science behind the inherent accuracy of a cartridge. The most inherently accurate cartridge designs make it easy to create accurate rifles. Nosler's methodology behind just throwing more powder behind it is an antiquated way of approaching it. There are better offerings for those who aren't solely chasing velocity. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:26:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have 6.5 Grendel 6.5 creedmoor 6.5 prc .26. Nosler 6.5 prc excels at prs match’s and longer range hunting. I've never seen anyone shooting 6.5 PRC in a match... ever. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:30:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 6.5 PRC does everything its little brother does just slightly better. There are people out there who weren't comfortable with the 6.5 Creedmoor on certain times of game (people who are wrong). PRC just gets you a little bit of extra headroom, which is important under certain conditions. If you want to know the in depth why listen to this:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9zxCWyd4_ENow that 7 PRC is a thing, I think it squeezes out the market for the 6.5 PRC guys. The “problem” with 7 PRC is the fact it’s a LA cartridge. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:31:19 AM EDT
[#28]
OP you nailed it on your first post... its just a faster 6.5, aint no magic involved.
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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:32:26 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The “problem” with 7 PRC is the fact it’s a LA cartridge. What's wrong with a LA? |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:37:06 AM EDT
[#30]
Have a custom 7SAUM and am very happy with it. It's a hammer. Shot a cow elk last month at 406 yards and destroyed her front shoulders. She dropped within feet of where she was shot. 180 Bergers at a little over 2800fps.
IMHO, anything 6/6.5 is too small for bears or elk. I say this after watching a small bear shot three times with a 6.5somethingorother at maybe 250 yards, and helping people track elk shot with a 6.5. I think it's a great deer and coyote round, but it's basically a .243. With proper shot placement, it will work, but there are better choices for bigger game. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:37:52 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've never seen anyone shooting 6.5 PRC in a match... ever. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have 6.5 Grendel 6.5 creedmoor 6.5 prc .26. Nosler 6.5 prc excels at prs match’s and longer range hunting. I've never seen anyone shooting 6.5 PRC in a match... ever. It was originally designed as a PRS round, and was intended to be the penultimate PRS round (damn near 10 years ago). The intention was to better stretch out past 1000 Yards, and extract the maximum potential of a 6.5 in a Short Action, by utilizing the highest BC 6.5 Projectiles at the velocity limit. There are certain conditions where the difference will really excel. Now that most of PRS is Long Range Yoga, of course the heavy 6's are favorable. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:39:04 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The “problem” with 7 PRC is the fact it’s a LA cartridge. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 6.5 PRC does everything its little brother does just slightly better. There are people out there who weren't comfortable with the 6.5 Creedmoor on certain times of game (people who are wrong). PRC just gets you a little bit of extra headroom, which is important under certain conditions. If you want to know the in depth why listen to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9zxCWyd4_ENow that 7 PRC is a thing, I think it squeezes out the market for the 6.5 PRC guys. The “problem” with 7 PRC is the fact it’s a LA cartridge. Agreed. But for the average person who already has a 6.5 Creedmoor, the jump to having a 7 PRC makes a lot more sense than getting a 6.5 PRC. I'll just own both because why not, but most people would be advantaged by the jump. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:43:22 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What's wrong with a LA? Nothing is wrong with it, some people prefer it for weight reasons and action stiffness. My SAUM is on a SA and I like it because I swap between 6.5 CM and SAUM barrels based on what I’m doing. The 7 PRC really doesn’t offer much ballistic advantage over the SAUM but has to be built on a LA. It’s a minor ding against it, but it’s still a disadvantage. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:49:20 AM EDT
[#34]
Yep since no one uses it for matches and 7 PRC exists there is no reason for it really. I wouldn't buy or build one at this point.
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Posted: 4/7/2023 8:52:49 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing is wrong with it, some people prefer it for weight reasons and action stiffness. My SAUM is on a SA and I like it because I swap between 6.5 CM and SAUM barrels based on what I’m doing. The 7 PRC really doesn’t offer much ballistic advantage over the SAUM but has to be built on a LA. It’s a minor ding against it, but it’s still a disadvantage. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What's wrong with a LA? Nothing is wrong with it, some people prefer it for weight reasons and action stiffness. My SAUM is on a SA and I like it because I swap between 6.5 CM and SAUM barrels based on what I’m doing. The 7 PRC really doesn’t offer much ballistic advantage over the SAUM but has to be built on a LA. It’s a minor ding against it, but it’s still a disadvantage. lol |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:03:10 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lol The 7 PRC beats the SAUM by only about 100-150 fps. It’s like comparing 308 to 30-06. That difference can be negated by building the SAUM on a medium or LA allowing bullets to be seated further out allowing for more powder capacity. Meanwhile the 28 Nosler beats the SAUM by well over 300 FPS. The PRC has its place, but if I’m going to make the jump to a LA, I’d want a bit “more.” Might as well get a 300 PRC and call it good. Whenever I get around to building a LA precision/hunting rig, it will probably be 300 PRC as I already have a 7 SAUM. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:06:15 AM EDT
[#37]
I somehow ended up with 2 boxes of Norma 6.5 PRC 140 Practice ammo. Needs gone.
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:14:43 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The 7 PRC beats the SAUM by only about 100-150 fps. It’s like comparing 308 to 30-06. That difference can be negated by building the SAUM on a medium or LA allowing bullets to be seated further out allowing for more powder capacity. Meanwhile the 28 Nosler beats the SAUM by well over 300 FPS. The PRC has its place, but if I’m going to make the jump to a LA, I’d want a bit “more.” Might as well get a 300 PRC and call it good. Whenever I get around to building a LA precision/hunting rig, it will probably be 300 PRC as I already have a 7 SAUM. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: lol The 7 PRC beats the SAUM by only about 100-150 fps. It’s like comparing 308 to 30-06. That difference can be negated by building the SAUM on a medium or LA allowing bullets to be seated further out allowing for more powder capacity. Meanwhile the 28 Nosler beats the SAUM by well over 300 FPS. The PRC has its place, but if I’m going to make the jump to a LA, I’d want a bit “more.” Might as well get a 300 PRC and call it good. Whenever I get around to building a LA precision/hunting rig, it will probably be 300 PRC as I already have a 7 SAUM. It's not about strict velocity, but projectile weight and class. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:28:56 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It was originally designed as a PRS round, and was intended to be the penultimate PRS round (damn near 10 years ago). The intention was to better stretch out past 1000 Yards, and extract the maximum potential of a 6.5 in a Short Action, by utilizing the highest BC 6.5 Projectiles at the velocity limit. There are certain conditions where the difference will really excel. Now that most of PRS is Long Range Yoga, of course the heavy 6's are favorable. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have 6.5 Grendel 6.5 creedmoor 6.5 prc .26. Nosler 6.5 prc excels at prs match's and longer range hunting. I've never seen anyone shooting 6.5 PRC in a match... ever. It was originally designed as a PRS round, and was intended to be the penultimate PRS round (damn near 10 years ago). The intention was to better stretch out past 1000 Yards, and extract the maximum potential of a 6.5 in a Short Action, by utilizing the highest BC 6.5 Projectiles at the velocity limit. There are certain conditions where the difference will really excel. Now that most of PRS is Long Range Yoga, of course the heavy 6's are favorable. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 9:49:11 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not about strict velocity, but projectile weight and class. SAUM has no problem pushing heaviest of 7mm bullets out of a medium and long action. It also works in a SA, unlike the PRC. That makes it a bit more versatile, which is my point. |
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Posted: 4/8/2023 12:26:22 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've never seen anyone shooting 6.5 PRC in a match... ever. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have 6.5 Grendel 6.5 creedmoor 6.5 prc .26. Nosler 6.5 prc excels at prs match’s and longer range hunting. I've never seen anyone shooting 6.5 PRC in a match... ever. What’s you guys match schedule down there? I might be able to make time to come shoot one. Not much danger of doing very good but always up to see some different targets. Then at least you will have seen one 6.5 prc shoot a match. |
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