Posted: 3/10/2026 12:52:34 AM EDT
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For years numerous US personnel complained of sudden onset headaches, vertigo, mental confusion, etc. Some of these instances occured in CONUS. For years intelligence agencie poo-poohed the idea that this was some form of attack. This is a very interesting report...60 Minutes claims that DHS has obtained a Russian microwave weapon that is manportable.  Source: Havana Syndrome investigation is "a massive CIA cover-up" | 60 Minutes |
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Quoted: So Shawn Ryan scooped the once venerable 60 minutes. The tail does indeed wag the dog it seems. 60 Minutes has been reporting on this for years. This is their fourth segment on this. When I retired from the IC five years ago there were reports of people refusing overseas assignments. Whoever it was doing it (looking at you, Ivan) achieved the desired result. I can totally believe that we knew from the start that this was an attack, an act of war, really, and that the cost of doing something was calculated to be greater than just taking it. Hence the coverup. |
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Quoted: I can totally believe that we knew from the start that this was an attack, an act of war, really, and that the cost of doing something was calculated to be greater than just taking it. Hence the coverup. I’ve been following this since it started happening in Cuba and it seemed clear to me that it was real. I can see them wanting to keep it quiet amongst the general public, but it’s insane they tried to convince their own people that it wasn’t happening. |
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Quoted: I’ve been following this since it started happening in Cuba and it seemed clear to me that it was real. I can see them wanting to keep it quiet amongst the general public, but it’s insane they tried to convince their own people that it wasn’t happening. Something like that would leak in a millisecond, and I'm not necessarily opposed. We'll soon see what the revised report coming out of our girl's ODNI has to say. |
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Quoted: 60 Minutes has been reporting on this for years. This is their fourth segment on this. When I retired from the IC five years ago there were reports of people refusing overseas assignments. Whoever it was doing it (looking at you, Ivan) achieved the desired result. I can totally believe that we knew from the start that this was an attack, an act of war, really, and that the cost of doing something was calculated to be greater than just taking it. Hence the coverup. Quoted: Quoted: So Shawn Ryan scooped the once venerable 60 minutes. The tail does indeed wag the dog it seems. 60 Minutes has been reporting on this for years. This is their fourth segment on this. When I retired from the IC five years ago there were reports of people refusing overseas assignments. Whoever it was doing it (looking at you, Ivan) achieved the desired result. I can totally believe that we knew from the start that this was an attack, an act of war, really, and that the cost of doing something was calculated to be greater than just taking it. Hence the coverup. Correct, and a quick a search of GD will show the idea gets ridiculed by a certain subset of GD every time it comes up. |
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Quoted: 60 Minutes has been reporting on this for years. This is their fourth segment on this. When I retired from the IC five years ago there were reports of people refusing overseas assignments. Whoever it was doing it (looking at you, Ivan) achieved the desired result. I can totally believe that we knew from the start that this was an attack, an act of war, really, and that the cost of doing something was calculated to be greater than just taking it. Hence the coverup. I completely agree with this analysis. People refusing an OCONUS assignment should have been removed from work, though. I imagine you agree to go where you’re needed when you take a job with one of those agencies. |
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Quoted: According to Wikipedia, the US microwave antipersonnel system "Active Denial System" has been known for over 20 years. I imagine that if any modern nation state wanted a microwave antipersonnel system, then they could build it. Not the same thing. Completely different mechanism, if the purported foreign device is what I think it is. |
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Quoted: Saw the guy on the Shawn Ryan show. Parts of our government treat their own horribly. The CIA guy was the target of this and ruined his life. The CIA abandoned him and discarded him without any help. |
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Quoted: I completely agree with this analysis. People refusing an OCONUS assignment should have been removed from work, though. I imagine you agree to go where you're needed when you take a job with one of those agencies. |
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Quoted: Who would want that risk if your agency isn't going to take care you if something like that happens? I gotta go with this. "Take this assignment and your brains may get cooked and then you will receive the "thanks of a grateful nation" in the form of an extended middle finger." For the most part these people aren't military and didn't sign up to be on the front lines. The problem for them is that the front lines moved, apparently to CONUS. |
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Quoted: Something like that would leak in a millisecond, and I'm not necessarily opposed. We'll soon see what the revised report coming out of our girl's ODNI has to say. Quoted: Quoted: I’ve been following this since it started happening in Cuba and it seemed clear to me that it was real. I can see them wanting to keep it quiet amongst the general public, but it’s insane they tried to convince their own people that it wasn’t happening. Something like that would leak in a millisecond, and I'm not necessarily opposed. We'll soon see what the revised report coming out of our girl's ODNI has to say. Yeah, I think you’re right, but I’m not sure the general public would have given a shit whether some govt employees got their brains scrambled. Something like this should have gotten us way more spun up than Benghazi. In both cases people got hung out to dry, but with these microwave attacks we took it several steps further: it never happened, you’re a hypochondriac, and even if it did happen we’re going to keep letting it happen to other people…hell, within our borders. But even now, it’s not really that big a story. |
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Quoted: Yeah, I think you’re right, but I’m not sure the general public would have given a shit whether some govt employees got their brains scrambled. Something like this should have gotten us way more spun up than Benghazi. In both cases people got hung out to dry, but with these microwave attacks we took it several steps further: it never happened, you’re a hypochondriac, and even if it did happen we’re going to keep letting it happen to other people…hell, within our borders. But even now, it’s not really that big a story. Yup, they have successfully kicked the can far enough that we're no longer near the outrage zone. I am interested to hear what Gabby's crew has to say about this now that we are ALLEGEDLY in possession of one of the fucking things. And the fact that DHS agents were able to purchase one off of the black market is pretty damned chilling. That said, I think I want one for home defense. 
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Quoted: I didn't watch the clip, but didn't the .Gov jut buy one of these units a few months back? yes -- sounds like the one Trump mentioned used in the Venezuela mission he called it the Discombobulator -- for lack of a better term. i have little doubt we have these now |
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Quoted: I didn't watch the clip, but didn't the .Gov jut buy one of these units a few months back? Yup. DHS undercover, per the report. I would NOT be surprised to learn that was a cut out for CIA. I just can't see HOMELAND security interacting with Russian arms merchants, but I could be wrong. |
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It is a convincing piece by 60 Minutes. My research area was high power selective RF effects with minimal thermal response to the bulk matrix. Our work was at different scale, but the implications were there for nefarious selective effects, and a lot of the AHI symptoms seemed to fall into this circle of suspicion. This piece by 60 Minutes gets a lot more specific, and largely points to a different, easier frequency range, and an even easier wave regime. It kind put me on my heels because of "that's an easier path than what I was thinking of". "Everything is an aperture if you try hard enough" But, then again. I've seen a 60 Minutes piece that was equally convincing, also the subject of an Arf thread, and I knew, to a certainty, that the bulk of what they were saying simply had no foundation, because it wasn't something to which I simply had tangential technical understanding . A very damaging piece that framed unqualified people as experts, an a slick enough production value to effortlessly pass as "the truth behind the coverup!". Rabid arfcommers eating it up, proudly wearing the pin of "I'm an expert because I watched a YouTube video" So, so yeah, that's a pretty damning "but, than again." One that gives me serious pause at accepting the piece at face value. The SRS stuff, it was, sorry but it wasn't critical, investigative, etc. But .... nor was it pieced together for production value. Remember, always remember that there are people wrongfully sitting in prison because a prosecutor was able to convince 12 independent people of a particular thesis. There are also people walking freely who shouldn't be, because a defense attorney did the same. |
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For more discussion bump. It doesn't make sense to me, other than just for fucking with us, that this thing would be employed as just a weapon on bunch of randos. There's something more going on here. To the poster above regarding 60 Minutes veracity, yup. We have to consider the source. |
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Would this be the same as pointing an "always on" portable x-ray machine at someone, except with maybe a higher power unit? I once stupidly asked an x-ray tech what the range was on these things and he said "infinite". Attached File |
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Quoted: For more discussion bump. It doesn't make sense to me, other than just for fucking with us, that this thing would be employed as just a weapon on bunch of randos. There's something more going on here. To the poster above regarding 60 Minutes veracity, yup. We have to consider the source. My detailed response was just deleted by a mispressd key. New Arf Interface strikes again. Not going to lie, kind of pissed about it. |
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Quoted: For more discussion bump. It doesn't make sense to me, other than just for fucking with us, that this thing would be employed as just a weapon on bunch of randos. There's something more going on here. To the poster above regarding 60 Minutes veracity, yup. We have to consider the source. The implication is that known or suspected IOs were deliberately targeted, either to take them out of play and/or to create the sort of second & third order effects people have mentioned (doubt, distrust, reduced internal cohesion, refusal of assignments, splits between believers/deniers at management and admin levels)… etc. |
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What has already happened is bad enough. Publicity leading to proliferation could be devastating, that's the downside of transparency. Tinfoil hijab might be the new fashion. The other angle is the government and wireless phone industries have spent decades in a campaign to tell everyone that significant doses of RF are harmless. Acknowledging that RF can have biological/neurological effects at non-thermal levels will be a massive shakeup to modern life. FWIW I think it's going to be effects from specific modulation/pulsing and probably at particular frequency ranges, but that we've been exposing the public to lower level similar stuff for a few decades now. ETA: to expound... If it's acknowledged and proven that microwave signals can have these kind of effects, both the regulatory authorities (US gov) and the wireless phone industry will be immediately inundated with lawsuits. There will be a massive push for technical information on the weapon from both sides of the lawsuits, information that almost no one wants to become public information. ETA2: in an almost unthinkable direction... the implications of this kind of thing is that if wireless phone base stations were subject to hacking/reprogramming it might be possible to disable half or more of the population of the country in minutes. No warning, no defense, and apparently no cure or treatment. |
| Isn't this an occupational hazard when you work in the intelligence field? I worked in a federal prison, and GD was fine with me being doused with bodily fluids, scabies, rabies, hepatitis, AIDS, and anything else that convicts could weaponize. "Sack up and do your job." was the general consensus when I was worried about bringing home MRSA to my family. Are we having a change of heart? |
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Quoted: Isn't this an occupational hazard when you work in the intelligence field? I worked in a federal prison, and GD was fine with me being doused with bodily fluids, scabies, rabies, hepatitis, AIDS, and anything else that convicts could weaponize. "Sack up and do your job." was the general consensus when I was worried about bringing home MRSA to my family. Are we having a change of heart? I’ve heard about this for years from multiple sources. One kid got affected by it. Why would people want to risk overseas assignments if their family would be exposed to this? I have no problem both believing it happened and that the Feds hang them out to dry after. |
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Quoted: I’ve heard about this for years from multiple sources. One kid got affected by it. Why would people want to risk overseas assignments if their family would be exposed to this? I have no problem both believing it happened and that the Feds hang them out to dry after. Quoted: Quoted: Isn't this an occupational hazard when you work in the intelligence field? I worked in a federal prison, and GD was fine with me being doused with bodily fluids, scabies, rabies, hepatitis, AIDS, and anything else that convicts could weaponize. "Sack up and do your job." was the general consensus when I was worried about bringing home MRSA to my family. Are we having a change of heart? I’ve heard about this for years from multiple sources. One kid got affected by it. Why would people want to risk overseas assignments if their family would be exposed to this? I have no problem both believing it happened and that the Feds hang them out to dry after. It's been a long ongoing topic that had a lot of very weird reporting on it. I don't necessarily believe all of the reporting. |
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Quoted: 60 minutes has a history of less than factual reporting. Did something change? There are multiple-sources reporting the same, or similar, events. Of course it is mainstream media, so that has to be taken into account. Unlikely we'll ever know the truth, but I do recall this being "a thing" when I retired from the IC five years ago. This didn't fall into my wheelhouse then, so I can't claim any expertise. |
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I don't get it. Electronic weapons have been used by us for years. None of this is new on our side, but it is new for it to be used publicly against us. Most of the technology can be cobbled together in your kitchen and a $50 Amazon order. The specs on this technology have been available since the 80's and the hardware as well, albeit way smaller now. We had R&D out of Camp Perry and Camp Hero that made itself into Popular Mechanics in the 80's Is anyone following the money? |
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Quoted: Isn't this an occupational hazard when you work in the intelligence field? I worked in a federal prison, and GD was fine with me being doused with bodily fluids, scabies, rabies, hepatitis, AIDS, and anything else that convicts could weaponize. "Sack up and do your job." was the general consensus when I was worried about bringing home MRSA to my family. Are we having a change of heart? It's not just the intel field. |
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Quoted: So Shawn Ryan scooped the once venerable 60 minutes. The tail does indeed wag the dog it seems. This. Old news at this point. Especially after Venezuela. I can't watch their format anymore either, I shut it off after the first 3 minutes - it's like get to the fucking point, then I'll decide if I want to hear the rest. |
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Quoted: "Russian microwave weapon that is manportable." Exactly what I and others have long assumed. Very sad that it has taken this long for the truth to escape the mushroom treatment This is not my field, but it’s not a trivial problem at all. I remember asking a human effects guy about it about a week after it was first reported in Havana. His phone had been ringing off the hook, but his best guess was still just microwave weapon, but it would have to be the size of a truck and draw so much power that it would be easily detectable. The video in the OP mentions the innovation was in how the frequencies were shifted in a particular way. That was apparently not well known. |
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Quoted: I would like to see a report from a credible news site. Don't trust CBS at all. I know we have similar weapons and similar scumbag behaviors as the Russians. Is it a coincidence Fidel, Hugo and Maduro had ass cancer or diverticulitis? maybe. maybe not. All I can offer is that this was a thing when I retired from the IC five years ago. There have been a variety of news reports from sources of varying credibility. Either this is a freaky mass psychosis event, or something actually happened to these people. Like I mentioned upthread, Tulsi's updated report should prove interesting reading. They're going to have to address this reporting, as well as the podcasts, etc. |