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Posted: 10/16/2023 2:36:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most of the FMJ on the market is plated and I've seen the plating strip, but I've never seen it cause significant leading. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Blazer brass is not FMJ, don’t be fooled. Depending what you shoot it out of, rifling will peel the electroplated trash apart, lead up your barrel and leave garbage copper in your suppressor and about to baffle strike. Most of the FMJ on the market is plated and I've seen the plating strip, but I've never seen it cause significant leading. After I realized what was happening and confirmed with a pair of side cutters, I shot AAC and Federal American eagle (both real jackets, exposed lead on bottom) and a full mag would leave a lead swirl around the hole after shooting the blazer brass. This was in an M&P 2.0, would also spatter the target with bits of the plating. |
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Posted: 10/16/2023 2:44:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: After I realized what was happening and confirmed with a pair of side cutters, I shot AAC and Federal American eagle (both real jackets, exposed lead on bottom) and a full mag would leave a lead swirl around the hole after shooting the blazer brass. This was in an M&P 2.0, would also spatter the target with bits of the plating. I see the plating impacts in classes fairly regularly. It's not every round fired from every pistol, but it's something I see on at least a few targets whenever we shoot at 3-5 yards. On rare occasions I see the aforementioned swirl. If it's happening with your gun to that extent, I think it's something up with your barrel because I've seen a plethora of legit match barrels in dozens of handguns (including three in my personally owned guns) and I've never seen it happen with every round fired with any of them. |
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Posted: 10/16/2023 2:50:21 PM EST
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For defense I like:
HST Hornady Critical Defense Gold Dot FMJ for plinking - I've always liked the European stuff such as Sellier & Bellot, Geco, Norma, Privi, Fiocchi. Big name US brands such as Blazer, Federal, and Winchester are usually good to go. Where I've run into issues are with Turkish 9mm which I believe are due to hard primers. Searching on Ammoseek there are a lot of remanufacturing companies pumping out ammo and I suggest doing your research before placing an order. Never shot AAC ammo but folks here give them good reviews. |
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Posted: 10/16/2023 2:56:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My buddy says: "I like the special Czech and German FMJs for reasons. I liked CorBon's defensive ammo, but it's fallen out of favor. They probably don't pay enough influencers to hype it, so everyone's forgotten about it." I still have a couple boxes of their 115grain +P+ JHP. Good stuff. I LOVED the Swiss surplus I got a bunch of years ago, can't even remember where. Still have a few K. Only use it for cometitions tho as it is the best ammo for my SIG 210-2. |
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Posted: 10/16/2023 2:57:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 20 years ago a lot of people were still carrying fmj because of reliability and penetration plus many hollow points had been inconsistent performers. Wat? Do you mean 40 years ago? Everyone I knew was carrying Federal Hydra-shoks since the late 1980's / early 90's. That included FBI HRT. For carry I use either HST or Gold dots. |
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Posted: 10/16/2023 3:05:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wat? Do you mean 40 years ago? Everyone I knew was carrying Federal Hydra-shoks since the late 1980's / early 90's. That included FBI HRT. For carry I use either HST or Gold dots. Hydra-shoks was probably the reason some stuck with fmj |
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Posted: 10/16/2023 3:06:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 20 years ago a lot of people were still carrying fmj because of reliability and penetration plus many hollow points had been inconsistent performers. Lol you serious. Over 30 years ago were had Federal Hydra-shoks, glaser safety slugs and a lot of great hp ammo. Golddot came out in 1991 and used it back then. We use to test these in different medium just to test them and they worked great or at least better than fmj. Fmj has it's place though. Heck I remember even using federal Black Talon ammo. |
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Posted: 10/16/2023 3:24:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I see the plating impacts in classes fairly regularly. It's not every round fired from every pistol, but it's something I see on at least a few targets whenever we shoot at 3-5 yards. On rare occasions I see the aforementioned swirl. If it's happening with your gun to that extent, I think it's something up with your barrel because I've seen a plethora of legit match barrels in dozens of handguns (including three in my personally owned guns) and I've never seen it happen with every round fired with any of them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: After I realized what was happening and confirmed with a pair of side cutters, I shot AAC and Federal American eagle (both real jackets, exposed lead on bottom) and a full mag would leave a lead swirl around the hole after shooting the blazer brass. This was in an M&P 2.0, would also spatter the target with bits of the plating. I see the plating impacts in classes fairly regularly. It's not every round fired from every pistol, but it's something I see on at least a few targets whenever we shoot at 3-5 yards. On rare occasions I see the aforementioned swirl. If it's happening with your gun to that extent, I think it's something up with your barrel because I've seen a plethora of legit match barrels in dozens of handguns (including three in my personally owned guns) and I've never seen it happen with every round fired with any of them. i dont know if it was every round, but i first noticed up close doing dot drills. and i noticed the bits in my suppressor. I was wrong on the AAC being exposed bottom, that probably is plated too, but it is much thicker than the blazer, and did not do this. They did not do it out of my glock, but when AAC didnt do it at all for the same cost, i'd rather not mess with it. standby for pics All 147gr Blazer - Federal AE - AAC  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 10/16/2023 3:26:55 PM EST
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147 and 124 HST for my carry rounds, and I shoot 124gr for FMJ for target. I have a couple of K of subsonic 147s for my suppressed uses, they're FMJ of course.
Most (87%) of what I shoot is 124gr FMJ. I use Ammoseek to find the best price from reputable manus |
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Posted: 10/16/2023 3:29:09 PM EST
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I buy whatevers cheapest for 9mm brass. Its all about tue same. As far as jhps i usually stick with gold dots or hst ammo. Ive shot some ranger t but its of course not a stocked item
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Posted: 10/16/2023 4:05:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i dont know if it was every round, but i first noticed up close doing dot drills. and i noticed the bits in my suppressor. I was wrong on the AAC being exposed bottom, that probably is plated too, but it is much thicker than the blazer, and did not do this. They did not do it out of my glock, but when AAC didnt do it at all for the same cost, i'd rather not mess with it. standby for pics All 147gr Blazer - Federal AE - AAC https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/278107/IMG_7803_jpeg-2994211.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/278107/IMG_7804_jpeg-2994213.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/278107/IMG_7805_jpeg-2994214.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: After I realized what was happening and confirmed with a pair of side cutters, I shot AAC and Federal American eagle (both real jackets, exposed lead on bottom) and a full mag would leave a lead swirl around the hole after shooting the blazer brass. This was in an M&P 2.0, would also spatter the target with bits of the plating. I see the plating impacts in classes fairly regularly. It's not every round fired from every pistol, but it's something I see on at least a few targets whenever we shoot at 3-5 yards. On rare occasions I see the aforementioned swirl. If it's happening with your gun to that extent, I think it's something up with your barrel because I've seen a plethora of legit match barrels in dozens of handguns (including three in my personally owned guns) and I've never seen it happen with every round fired with any of them. i dont know if it was every round, but i first noticed up close doing dot drills. and i noticed the bits in my suppressor. I was wrong on the AAC being exposed bottom, that probably is plated too, but it is much thicker than the blazer, and did not do this. They did not do it out of my glock, but when AAC didnt do it at all for the same cost, i'd rather not mess with it. standby for pics All 147gr Blazer - Federal AE - AAC https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/278107/IMG_7803_jpeg-2994211.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/278107/IMG_7804_jpeg-2994213.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/278107/IMG_7805_jpeg-2994214.JPG I expect 'copper washed' 22s, but never imagined that someone would 'copper washed' 9mm and pass it off as FMJ. For the OP, the Lapua 9mm Combat is Tier 1 FMJ. 
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Posted: 10/16/2023 4:09:02 PM EST
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Fmj: whatever is not reloads and cheapest
Hp: hst 147 End thread |
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Posted: 10/16/2023 4:14:40 PM EST
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Due to the cost of ammo everybody gets fmj at my house.
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Posted: 10/16/2023 4:25:08 PM EST
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In the '90's / Early 2000's, I tried to stick to black/blue box Geco 124gr ....... great ammo
When it kind of vanished I started shooting nothing but Winchester Q4318 I'm a firm believer this is the best 124gr FMJ ammo to ever grace our shores: 
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Posted: 10/16/2023 4:28:14 PM EST
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I practice/plink with pretty much any FMJ, although I prefer Winchester 9mm NATO 124 grain if available.
Carry HST 124 grain, standard pressure. |
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Posted: 10/16/2023 4:31:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For the most part FMJ is FMJ. Blazer Brass QC and spec have gone down IMHO. They appear to now be making their brass thinner (see reloading section, some folks having problems), and the ammo is pretty weak - which can cause jams in some guns. My Stribog once jammed with the weak Blazer ammo (Roller delay action can be less forgiving with weak ammo). I personally don't actually recommend Blazer FMJ. Winchester is also known to have QC issues. If I were buying FMJ and it were all comparably priced, I'd probably buy imported, if I could. Eastern European brass cased, would be my top choice. I'd look hard at Turkish imports right now as well. For US, Rem or Fed FMJ would likely be my top choices. None of this is night and day, for your Glock 17, FMJ is FMJ. For JHP, that's another topic - as there's been a lot of science improvement there, and cheap JHP aren't the same as quality JHP. I don't know really what the latest Hot-Shit JHP is today, but I'd personally look at a name-brand like Hornady. The topic of weight is a big one, and controversial. The thing that stuck with me the most is a conversation with an old cop (yes, I know, a cop - so who knows). "When we shot people with light fast bullets, they died there. When we shot people with slower heavier 9mm bullets, they didn't". That one kind of sticks with me. And another wise friends commentary one day "speed kills". FWIW...I bought a case of CCI/Blaser 124gr FMJ maybe two months ago and have shot through roughly half of it at this point, mostly P229 but a couple of boxes through my P938. Paid $12.99 a box through SGAMMO, with free delivery. Zero malfs in 500 rounds, so I'm pretty happy with it. Don't reload, so the brass is someone else's issue. |
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Posted: 10/16/2023 4:40:23 PM EST
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I just bought a bunch of Hornady 124gr XTPs to roll my own.
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Posted: 10/16/2023 5:20:31 PM EST
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The gold standard is Winchester Q4362, the FBI's training 9mm 124g +p Fmj that was supposedly designed to shoot like their duty load
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Posted: 10/16/2023 6:33:40 PM EST
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I've used a metric shit ton of 9mm since the 80's. I went through the dark ages of cheap Walmart WWB and came out the other side. I spent years shooting CCI Blazer 9mm at $4.99 a box and bought it by the case for over 10 years. Now that I shoot less, I'm more into quality more than quantity.
My favorite FMJ is Geco or MEN. S&B is a close third. My favorite JHP is HST or Gold Dot. My 2 cents |
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Posted: 10/16/2023 6:41:17 PM EST
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  Plinking is cheap stuff... |
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