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Posted: 9/1/2021 3:16:12 PM EST
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Incorrect. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: LOL. Shoulda' showed up twenty years ago. Incorrect. Okay. These guys, who we haven't heard from in how long, are the schizzle. Things gonna be alright. We can send them Stingers to shoot down the aircraft we left the Taliban. Kinda like a complete ecology in a terrarium. Then, later, we'll find out they're just another bunch of grubby fanatics. Boys who are just now learning to walk can go fight them. |
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Posted: 9/1/2021 3:23:39 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: China supported the mujahideen in the 80s. This was one of the reasons the US was doing things like selling them Blackhawks and allowing US companies to assist them with defense projects. It's rather funny,if China hadn't been so knee jerk about Tiananmen and given the protestors just enough easily revocable concessions to go home they would quite likely have already overtaken the US in terms of military power. You were about to give them the ability to produce F404s and APG-66 radars and this was would have catapulted them ahead tremendously,especially by now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Huh, look at that. It borders Xinjiang. China supported the mujahideen in the 80s. This was one of the reasons the US was doing things like selling them Blackhawks and allowing US companies to assist them with defense projects. It's rather funny,if China hadn't been so knee jerk about Tiananmen and given the protestors just enough easily revocable concessions to go home they would quite likely have already overtaken the US in terms of military power. You were about to give them the ability to produce F404s and APG-66 radars and this was would have catapulted them ahead tremendously,especially by now. China loved them some secret AKs to Afghanistan to kill Soviets in the 80s. You have a good point. |
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Posted: 9/1/2021 3:26:50 PM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Does anyone have any decent book recommendations on him or that whole political situation? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: An organic movement is the only hope they ever had. I almost think killing Massoud was a greater sin by UBL than the 9/11 attack, because that made DAMN sure there would never be a stable Afghanistan. Does anyone have any decent book recommendations on him or that whole political situation? |
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Posted: 9/1/2021 3:28:05 PM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Too bad Biden just fully armed the Taliban with American hardware and aircraft  And will reportedly engage in joint operations with them |
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Posted: 9/1/2021 4:28:17 PM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Okay. These guys, who we haven't heard from in how long, are the schizzle. Things gonna be alright. Incorrect. Just because YOU have not heard from them or they have not made the news that told you who they are and what they are doing, does not mean that they are new on the scene. Not even close. |
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Posted: 9/1/2021 4:39:27 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Incorrect. Just because YOU have not heard from them or they have not made the news that told you who they are and what they are doing, does not mean that they are new on the scene. Not even close. There is no problem that Afghanistan could ever have posed the United States that could not be solved now, or in the past 20 years, by cruise missiles delivered from 600 miles away. Here is a list of interventions in that grubby shithole that have demonstrated the complete futility of engaging with those animals: -Alexander, 300 BC. At least he got a town named after him (Kandahar). -Britain, 1840's, culminating in Gandamak. -Britain, 1870's. -Britain, 1919, Third Afghan War. -Soviets, 1979. -And now, the US. I haven't the slightest interest in studying the latest bunch of tribal goons posturing with modern military equipment, as they go by. So, yeah, I've made a point of NOT hearing about your favorite bunch. |
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Posted: 9/2/2021 10:32:46 AM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is no problem that Afghanistan could ever have posed the United States that could not be solved now, or in the past 20 years, by cruise missiles delivered from 600 miles away. I see that you subscribe to the Clinton doctrine. How did that work out for you on the last go-around? 
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Posted: 9/3/2021 11:52:33 AM EST
[#8]
Nice to see M4s in the good guys(well, better guys)hands:
   Yeah, I know. It's the fucking Commie News Network, but at least a bit of good news: Fighting resumes around Afghanistan's Panjshir valley, a pocket of Taliban resistance "In the Khawak Pass area that connects to Panjshir, heavy fighting is going on," the commander said. "We didn’t have internet until just now. The resistance forces are in Puli Hisar and clashes continue. The Taliban have hundreds of casualties.” |
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Posted: 9/3/2021 12:08:01 PM EST
[#9]
LATEST:
 https://twitter.com/NA2NRF/status/1433814436557561862 "Northern Alliance ???? @NA2NRF When you want to come to Panjshir by force, bring your ? with you as well. In last night fighting, 450 Taliban killed, 230 surrendered and 170 Taliban from Badakhshan joined the RESISTANCE. I have limited access to internet. This could be my last tweet for couple of days. S:S" Who knows if true and those are some pretty high body count numbers claimed. 170 Tali "defectors"? Doesn't sound like a good idea. But what do I know?  According to some sources, there are reports that the Valley has fallen to the Tolly-Bon. "ISI Pak's Pride".?  ..Hmm. Might take this one with a grain of salt:https://twitter.com/CallSignMujahid/status/1433821427862491136 "ISI Pak's Pride Latest from Panjshir Amrullah Saleh & Ahmad Masoud have fled Panjshir....apparently #Panjshir has fallen to Taliban...a so called resistance is apparently done and dusted.." "Northern Alliance ???? @NA2NRF" claims BS:  https://twitter.com/NA2NRF/status/1433822563885588489 "Northern Alliance ???? @NA2NRF "Comrades this is simply disinformation. I just spoke with my local sources. In fact, this shows how desperate the Taliban have become in facing a fierce resistance in Panjshir. But this is just the beginning. You cannot impose yourself on 35m people by using violence & extremism." "Lies and propaganda. Taliban wants to deceive themselves and the world together, to announce their government by tomorrow. Panjshir is fighting and Taliban did not even advance a kilometer. Taliban accounts say sources from europe told them Panjshir has fallen" |
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Posted: 9/3/2021 12:16:42 PM EST
[#10]
Now that the Biden regime is a state sponsor of the Taliban and terrorists in general, I wonder if he'll be helping the Taliban suppress rebellion.
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Posted: 9/3/2021 12:22:34 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Now that the Biden regime is a state sponsor of the Taliban and terrorists in general, I wonder if he'll be helping the Taliban suppress rebellion. I'm wondering how much longer Twitter will allow anti-Taliban forces to have an account  Would be nice to give these guys kinetic air support.. |
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Posted: 9/3/2021 12:23:12 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Go fund me to get them the same gear as the taliban? wont be enough. we left the taliban with attack copters, b1 bombers, submarines, abrahms tanks and a bunch of old leftover davy crocket portable nukes.  tribal warfare in a-stan, same as it ever was. |
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Posted: 9/3/2021 12:23:45 PM EST
[#13]
All those. 50 cal. M2's are going to be hard to overcome in this terrain, especially if they're truck mounted for mobility. FJB. Got this bit of insightful wisdom from Pournelles " Lucifer's Hammer ". Uncannily similar.
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Posted: 9/3/2021 12:26:32 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We should support them. Go the Russia route. A-10s with missing markings being flown by "Private military contractors" |
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Posted: 9/3/2021 12:50:40 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm wondering how much longer Twitter will allow anti-Taliban forces to have an account Would be nice to give these guys kinetic air support.. It has been widely reported that the Biden admin has a working agreement with Twitter and Facebook for minimizing political opposition. If we see resistance Twitter, FB, etc. accounts going down, it would be a safe assumption that the tech platforms have received instruction to take those accounts down. |
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Posted: 9/3/2021 12:52:15 PM EST
[#16]
9/3/21 MSM coverage:
 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/taliban-advance-resistance-forces-afghanistan-s-panjshir-valley-vow-fight-n1278392 "As the Taliban advance, resistance forces in Afghanistan's Panjshir Valley vow to fight “The people of Panjshir know how to survive, and they know how to fight invaders,” said a spokesman for the National Resistance Front." Some vid here: https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20210903-afghan-resistance-fighters-hold-out-against-taliban-in-panjshir "Anti-Taliban resistance fighters loyal to local leader Ahmad Massoud claimed they have full control of the passes into their stronghod Panjshir Valley following clashes against the Taliban on Thursday, more than two weeks after the Islamist militia swept into the captial, Kabul. But the Taliban claimed they inflicted heavy casualties in the battle." Al jazeera: "Afghanistan Latest : Panjshir Taliban Resistance in the Afghan Valley"  Afghanistan Latest : Panjshir Taliban Resistance in the Afghan Valley |
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Posted: 9/3/2021 12:55:02 PM EST
[#17]
They need a Patreon account.
Ahmed Shah Massoud was a great man. I hope his son can fill his dads sandals. Bless those guys. |
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Posted: 9/3/2021 12:55:15 PM EST
[#18]
Assuming the Taliban are backed by Pakistan and there, by proxy, China, this group has very slim hopes. Regardless, if they'll treat the weak people in their country with more dignity than the Taliban will, I hope they win.
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Posted: 9/3/2021 1:01:42 PM EST
[#19]
9.3.21 (VID):
Amrullah Saleh releases video from Panjshir Valley after fake reports spread by Taliban and Pakistani social media that he has left Afghanistan. Saleh says he is in Panjshir valley which is under invasion by Taliban & Al-Qaeda backed by Pakistan but the resistance will continue: https://twitter.com/AdityaRajKaul/status/1433844984931774470 |
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Posted: 9/3/2021 1:03:09 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL. Shoulda' showed up twenty years ago. Your opinion gives the impression that you're so unaware of what you're commenting on that you've made the decision to be willfully ignorant. I sincerely hope that's not the case for your sake. |
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Posted: 9/3/2021 1:07:06 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct. We have a very good relationship with the Azeris. Or we did up until all this. I don’t recommend anyone be our ally these days. Reminds me of the Karabakh threads. No one expects the Azeri alliance |
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Posted: 9/3/2021 1:55:17 PM EST
[#22]
 #Afghanistan - Fighting intensifies in the Afghan Valley |
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Posted: 9/3/2021 2:16:59 PM EST
[#23]
Quote History3:02 G'damn I hate seeing our gear in the hands of these Taliturd savages especially high end optics |
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Posted: 9/3/2021 6:46:18 PM EST
[#24]
 Taliban takes control of final province |
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Posted: 9/3/2021 6:55:59 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Go the Russia route. A-10s with missing markings being flown by "Private military contractors" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We should support them. Go the Russia route. A-10s with missing markings being flown by "Private military contractors" 
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Posted: 9/3/2021 7:02:53 PM EST
[#26]
Looking at the pics of their fighters (Northern Alliance)……their chins are chiseled, broad shouldered and facial hair and toned….NO HOMO
You can tell they have not been affected by estrogens in their water and food supply as American men have been To save America all men under 60 need to be injecting Testosterone to counteract all of the estrogens, it’s our only shot |
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Posted: 9/3/2021 7:23:33 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LATEST: https://i.imgur.com/rplxCocl.jpg https://twitter.com/NA2NRF/status/1433814436557561862 "Northern Alliance @NA2NRF When you want to come to Panjshir by force, bring your with you as well. In last night fighting, 450 Taliban killed, 230 surrendered and 170 Taliban from Badakhshan joined the RESISTANCE. I have limited access to internet. This could be my last tweet for couple of days. S:S" Who knows if true and those are some pretty high body count numbers claimed. 170 Tali "defectors"? Doesn't sound like a good idea. But what do I know? According to some sources, there are reports that the Valley has fallen to the Tolly-Bon. "ISI Pak's Pride".? ..Hmm. Might take this one with a grain of salt:https://twitter.com/CallSignMujahid/status/1433821427862491136 "ISI Pak's Pride Latest from Panjshir Amrullah Saleh & Ahmad Masoud have fled Panjshir....apparently #Panjshir has fallen to Taliban...a so called resistance is apparently done and dusted.." "Northern Alliance @NA2NRF" claims BS: https://i.imgur.com/VzpM13gl.jpg https://twitter.com/NA2NRF/status/1433822563885588489 "Northern Alliance @NA2NRF "Comrades this is simply disinformation. I just spoke with my local sources. In fact, this shows how desperate the Taliban have become in facing a fierce resistance in Panjshir. But this is just the beginning. You cannot impose yourself on 35m people by using violence & extremism." "Lies and propaganda. Taliban wants to deceive themselves and the world together, to announce their government by tomorrow. Panjshir is fighting and Taliban did not even advance a kilometer. Taliban accounts say sources from europe told them Panjshir has fallen" Those 170 defector probably aren't actual Taliban. Most of the Taliban forces are not made up of the Talib but rather tribal forces who have sided with them. I would guess not all of the tribal fighters have very high morale. So, they'd probably surrender or defect to anyone beating them. |
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Posted: 9/3/2021 7:57:01 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your opinion gives the impression that you're so unaware of what you're commenting on that you've made the decision to be willfully ignorant. I sincerely hope that's not the case for your sake. Here's the bottom line: -For 20 years Americans invested blood and lives in that shithole. They gave those assholes every opportunity to better their lives, and the lives of their families. 20 years. Not only Americans, but western and eastern Europeans, Koreans, god knows who else. The incredible amount of money sent there, and the incredible amount of firepower I saw launched out of Bagram awed me. -I was over there for a while, non military. I saw it first hand. -In the end, the Afghans, no group of them, could get it done. No possible coalition of them could stop hating each other long enough to turn a place that had been a tribal shithole since Alexander into something better. -Another 20 years wouldn't have made a damn bit of difference that I could see. -Whatever mistakes that America, and the world, made there doesn't change the fact that the Afghans didn't step up. In my opinion, they are too corrupt, venal, and lazy. And it was pretty clear they weren't interested in changing in any real numbers. So, we're having a thread about a bunch that's supposed to be the real deal. The place has been an anarchic shithole for 2300 years or more, despite every intervention of the civilized world, so I'm calling bullshit. |
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Posted: 9/3/2021 7:59:04 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL. Shoulda' showed up twenty years ago. Most of them weren’t alive or were probably in diapers 20 years ago. 
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Posted: 9/3/2021 8:24:21 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We should support them. Go the Russia route. A-10s with missing markings being flown by "Private military contractors" https://img.112.international/original/2019/11/05/286435.jpg I wish he’d been nominated as SecDef by Trump. Mainly to see the meltdown, the assholes in Congress would never confirm him. |
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Posted: 9/3/2021 8:25:15 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Most of them weren’t alive or were probably in diapers 20 years ago. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: LOL. Shoulda' showed up twenty years ago. Most of them weren’t alive or were probably in diapers 20 years ago. Their fathers were there, fighting alongside our SF soldiers. |
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Posted: 9/4/2021 11:55:36 AM EST
[#32]
9/4/21:
#LATEST: "Two sources in Panjshir say that the Resistance Forces blew up a mountain in the area of the Danah after a thousand of Taliban fighters entered Panjshir, and they were trapped inside the valley."  https://twitter.com/NA2NRF/status/1434120082309976067 "Sources in #PANJSHIR: Narrow entrance to Panjshir, DalanSang gorge, has been blown off by NRF, making it impossible for the #Taliban to leave the valley. Est 180 Humvees & great amount of ammunition along with 100s of TB fighters are currently trapped inside Anaba." https://twitter.com/afganistan6867/status/1434188562878984194 "Hundreds of #Taliban ethnic militias and their int terrorist associates have been circled by the national resistance front forces. It seems they have no exit. #PanjshirResistance". VID@Link: https://twitter.com/Qayumkhaddam/status/1433977506952933381 "Taliban in main road our forces attack from both side of the road. The #PanjshirResistance have blasted the mountains and has made Taliban trapped!" NSFW VID at link(Buncha dead Talis): "Welcome to #Panjshir So far 1k+ Taliban death in total-24h. #AhmadMassoud forces posted this picture (Can't verify authenticity. But heavy Casualties on Taliban side is true. And many claims 2000+ Taliban KIA and critical." https://twitter.com/IFENewsAgency/status/1433982946805907457  
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Posted: 9/4/2021 11:58:17 AM EST
[#33]
"Former ANA Special Forces joined the resistance and fighting #Taliban tonight #Panjshir":
  
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Posted: 9/4/2021 12:02:02 PM EST
[#34]
“Now youse can’t leave.”
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Posted: 9/4/2021 12:08:38 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
"Former ANA Special Forces joined the resistance and fighting #Taliban tonight #Panjshir": https://i.imgur.com/ranw8Ajl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/dImcBnHl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/MlGhXwml.jpg
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Posted: 9/4/2021 12:10:17 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We should support them. Go the Russia route. A-10s with missing markings being flown by "Private military contractors" https://img.112.international/original/2019/11/05/286435.jpg Let it happen. BW is back(that's from the man himself)...and I have faith.  |
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Posted: 9/4/2021 12:17:31 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "Former ANA Special Forces joined the resistance and fighting #Taliban tonight #Panjshir": https://i.imgur.com/ranw8Ajl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/dImcBnHl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/MlGhXwml.jpg Get some! |
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Posted: 9/4/2021 12:18:29 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "Former ANA Special Forces joined the resistance and fighting #Taliban tonight #Panjshir": https://i.imgur.com/ranw8Ajl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/dImcBnHl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/MlGhXwml.jpg The bottom photo is from Helmand and a month old, and I'd wager the rest are too. |
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Posted: 9/4/2021 12:22:13 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 9/4/21: #LATEST: "Two sources in Panjshir say that the Resistance Forces blew up a mountain in the area of the Danah after a thousand of Taliban fighters entered Panjshir, and they were trapped inside the valley." https://i.imgur.com/egjt2Kml.jpg https://twitter.com/NA2NRF/status/1434120082309976067 "Sources in #PANJSHIR: Narrow entrance to Panjshir, DalanSang gorge, has been blown off by NRF, making it impossible for the #Taliban to leave the valley. Est 180 Humvees & great amount of ammunition along with 100s of TB fighters are currently trapped inside Anaba." https://twitter.com/afganistan6867/status/1434188562878984194 "Hundreds of #Taliban ethnic militias and their int terrorist associates have been circled by the national resistance front forces. It seems they have no exit. #PanjshirResistance". VID@Link: https://twitter.com/Qayumkhaddam/status/1433977506952933381 "Taliban in main road our forces attack from both side of the road. The #PanjshirResistance have blasted the mountains and has made Taliban trapped!" NSFW VID at link(Buncha dead Talis): "Welcome to #Panjshir So far 1k+ Taliban death in total-24h. #AhmadMassoud forces posted this picture (Can't verify authenticity. But heavy Casualties on Taliban side is true. And many claims 2000+ Taliban KIA and critical." https://twitter.com/IFENewsAgency/status/1433982946805907457 https://i.imgur.com/CSqDfFsl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/cDiSk6il.jpg Excellent news (if true). |
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Posted: 9/4/2021 12:22:34 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Those 170 defector probably aren't actual Taliban. Most of the Taliban forces are not made up of the Talib but rather tribal forces who have sided with them. I would guess not all of the tribal fighters have very high morale. So, they'd probably surrender or defect to anyone beating them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: LATEST: https://i.imgur.com/rplxCocl.jpg https://twitter.com/NA2NRF/status/1433814436557561862 "Northern Alliance @NA2NRF When you want to come to Panjshir by force, bring your with you as well. In last night fighting, 450 Taliban killed, 230 surrendered and 170 Taliban from Badakhshan joined the RESISTANCE. I have limited access to internet. This could be my last tweet for couple of days. S:S" Who knows if true and those are some pretty high body count numbers claimed. 170 Tali "defectors"? Doesn't sound like a good idea. But what do I know? According to some sources, there are reports that the Valley has fallen to the Tolly-Bon. "ISI Pak's Pride".? ..Hmm. Might take this one with a grain of salt:https://twitter.com/CallSignMujahid/status/1433821427862491136 "ISI Pak's Pride Latest from Panjshir Amrullah Saleh & Ahmad Masoud have fled Panjshir....apparently #Panjshir has fallen to Taliban...a so called resistance is apparently done and dusted.." "Northern Alliance @NA2NRF" claims BS: https://i.imgur.com/VzpM13gl.jpg https://twitter.com/NA2NRF/status/1433822563885588489 "Northern Alliance @NA2NRF "Comrades this is simply disinformation. I just spoke with my local sources. In fact, this shows how desperate the Taliban have become in facing a fierce resistance in Panjshir. But this is just the beginning. You cannot impose yourself on 35m people by using violence & extremism." "Lies and propaganda. Taliban wants to deceive themselves and the world together, to announce their government by tomorrow. Panjshir is fighting and Taliban did not even advance a kilometer. Taliban accounts say sources from europe told them Panjshir has fallen" Those 170 defector probably aren't actual Taliban. Most of the Taliban forces are not made up of the Talib but rather tribal forces who have sided with them. I would guess not all of the tribal fighters have very high morale. So, they'd probably surrender or defect to anyone beating them. Defectors from Badakhshan would probably be Tajiks, so would make some sense. |
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Posted: 9/4/2021 1:08:49 PM EST
[#41]
Unconfirmed but I would not be surprised. Seems that battle is inevitable.
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Posted: 9/4/2021 1:10:58 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Unconfirmed but I would not be surprised. Seems that battle is inevitable.
Boy, that didn’t take long. 
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Posted: 9/4/2021 1:19:17 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They need a Patreon account. Ahmed Shah Massoud was a great man. I hope his son can fill his dads sandals. Bless those guys. His son graduated from the Royal Military College at Sandhurst UK last year. |
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Posted: 9/4/2021 1:38:06 PM EST
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Posted: 9/4/2021 1:38:50 PM EST
[#45]
Like I said earlier, one doesn’t simply walk into that valley.
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Posted: 9/4/2021 2:41:02 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Unconfirmed but I would not be surprised. Seems that battle is inevitable.
I’m going to call this highly improbable/wishful thinking/complete bullshit. |
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Posted: 9/4/2021 2:42:14 PM EST
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Posted: 9/4/2021 2:59:47 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Boy, that didn't take long. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Unconfirmed but I would not be surprised. Seems that battle is inevitable.
Boy, that didn't take long.  I'm skeptical but it would make sense the power struggle start now amid the chaos and before anyone can consolidate power. Also "Why is ISI chief in Kabul? Afghan politician says 'to stop Mullah Baradar'" https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/why-is-isi-chief-in-kabul-afghan-politician-says-to-stop-mullah-baradar-101630775200505.html |
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Posted: 9/4/2021 3:05:08 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At least it's not the Afghanistan National Resistance Front of Panjshir. Those guys are nothing but splitters. Yeah they only broke off from the Panshir National Afghanistan Resistance Front because of the no Saturdays off thing. |
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Posted: 9/4/2021 3:13:28 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Taliban now owns the night over there with all the nvgs we gave them. They're way better equipped compared to what's in the pics LOL |
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