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They were probably less expensive than one would think at the time, since I imagine the majority of smiths making them were working for feudal lords at sustenance wages.
Still expensive given the amount of labor. If I were contracted to make a nihonto style full length sword with full polish and fittings, it would be more than $1000 easily. |
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I thought original remaining swords were all registered with the japanese govt and couldn't leave the country?
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Originally Posted By Swoosh101:
I thought original remaining swords were all registered with the japanese govt and couldn't leave the country? View Quote |
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But how many two liters can it cut through?
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Great post. I enjoy NV too much to get a sword.
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Awesome post and neat stuff.
As a collector: How many swords like this are there estimated to be? When you sell do you end up making, losing, or breaking even on average? |
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Originally Posted By HDLS:
Can't have a sword thread without tape. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/367483/984E9FFD-E322-4131-994D-362377888670-372843.gif View Quote Came here to post this. |
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DK, can you take some close up pictures of the kashira and how it's knotted on your new waki?
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Beautiful sword almost hate to get blood on it.
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
There really isn't much to do. Just keep them out of serious humidity, and occasionally clean and oil them. Despite myths about choji oil and other things, any high quality gun oil can be used. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By BillofRights:
How do you keep them preserved? |
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof: There really isn't much to do. Just keep them out of serious humidity, and occasionally clean and oil them. Despite myths about choji oil and other things, any high quality gun oil can be used. View Quote If you don't have any, any preservative oil that's good for metals will do. Anything from light sewing machine oil to heavy gear oil. You could even use axle grease. It won't harm steel. I'd say that if you planned to store a blade for an unknown period of time but probably many years, then applying a full coating of axle grease or cosmoline and then wrapped in saturated paper and then bagged in plastic would probably be a very effective way to store a blade for years to maybe centuries or more. |
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Originally Posted By Swoosh101:
I thought original remaining swords were all registered with the japanese govt and couldn't leave the country? View Quote Yes, all swords ARE registered, but only a VERY small number are not allowed to leave the country - those officially rated as national treasures. All other blades can be freely bought and sold, and exported. |
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With the anount of horseshit that floats around here, it is refreshing (and delghtful) to see someone share real knowledge.
It is always fascinatimg to listen to a person who knows what he is talking about ,regardless of the subject. |
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Ignorance is everywhere, but it is not uniformly distributed.
Without the assholes, we wouldn't need very many laws. Those who have no prejudices have no experience. A man reveals himself in the way he treats those under his authority. |
Originally Posted By 03PSD:
How do they figure out who made it if the tang was chopped at some point and the sig lost? View Quote The answer is "Experience. Lots and lots of experience." Swordsmiths nearly always work in a style that reflects local traditions and local styles that are "in" at the time that they were made. The way that fighting changed affected the nuances of how the sword is constructed and shaped. The advent of armor created the need for a thicker, stouter blade that was heavy enough to not only survive contact with an armored opponent, but defeat that armor. So in general you can guess that blades that are heavier are from the armor period, and blades that are lighter date from before when armor was in vogue. Fighting styles determined the preferred blade curvature and where the curve would be strongest. Some are much more strongly curved, others are almost straight. So, an experienced appraiser, collector, or polisher might look at a specific blade and make the following observations: The sugata (shape) fits into the early Muromachi period, being of the Shinogi-zukuri type katana, ha-watari of less than 75 cm, chu-kissaki , (short tip), a deep torii-zori (curve) with a tendenzy toward saki-zori, and a narrow sakihaba. This period dates from 1392 to 1428. Additional observations about the blade, such as jihada which is mokume hada mixed with masame hada, a o-notare hamon, o-midare, yahazu midare, hitatsura, etc, and is of nioi deki, might indicate an attribution to Takatenjin Kaneaki of Totomi province. Every detail, every nuance, everything is a clue. And you could read this and other books from cover to cover and memorize every word, picture, and drawing, and then use that knowledge to be COMPLETELY wrong about a blade in every possible detail. Japanese sword appraisal is among the most esoteric of arts. The Japanese language lesson I just threw at you would give you the faintest clue of what's involved in becoming knowledgeable enough to make an attribution. I ripped this out of a book, incidentally. Kokan Nagayama's Connoiseur's Book of Japanese Swords. |
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Originally Posted By zebfishzap:
A buddy showed me a beat up WW2 sword sometime recently, I don’t think it was worth very much though. I used to know a chick who said her parents had a “valuable” Japanese sword at their other (local) house but I never got to see it. View Quote Under a layer of rust, a national treasure worth millions looks exactly like a rusty WWII sword worth virtually nothing. |
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Originally Posted By chango78:
The problem with me and nihonto is that you can't do much with antique blades besides look at them. I own a couple (Kanemoto 3 and Tadayuki 1) but once the novelty wears off... well let's just say this hobby isn't for everyone. https://i.imgur.com/LlmOOpw.jpg View Quote At least with a sword, there are things you CAN do with it. Cut yourself. Cut something else. Clean and oil it from time to time as well as appreciate its history and its beauty. |
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So how sharp are these collectible Japanese swords? Are they ranging from dull to extremely sharp?
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One of the best threads. I’ve spent the last two hours looking at your links
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Originally Posted By MirrorMirror:
You don't know until it's been evaluated by someone who is qualified to figure out what it really is. Under a layer of rust, a national treasure worth millions looks exactly like a rusty WWII sword worth virtually nothing. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By MirrorMirror:
Originally Posted By zebfishzap:
A buddy showed me a beat up WW2 sword sometime recently, I don’t think it was worth very much though. I used to know a chick who said her parents had a “valuable” Japanese sword at their other (local) house but I never got to see it. Under a layer of rust, a national treasure worth millions looks exactly like a rusty WWII sword worth virtually nothing. What some polishers can do is open a "window" - meaning they polish just an inch or two of the blade, so see what the grain and temper pattern looks like, to help identify the blade. |
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Originally Posted By MirrorMirror: That can be said of art as well. So you have a picture hanging on the wall. Great, what else are you going to do with it? It doesn't even make a good saucer to slide down a snowy hill on in the winter. Yet it might be considered to be valuable. At least with a sword, there are things you CAN do with it. Cut yourself. Cut something else. Clean and oil it from time to time as well as appreciate its history and its beauty. View Quote Nihonto were made to be tools/weapons... seeing them as art objects is a relatively modern concept. For me, the reality outweighs the mystique I guess. |
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My mom has a sword she got from her dad who was in Japan during the war. He glassed a jap officer and took it from him.
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof: With a proper polish on them, they are very sharp. All of mine are in good polish, so all are sharp. View Quote At the very least the monouchi area should be that sharp. That's the "sweet spot", the outer third or so of the blade where you can expect most of the cutting will happen. |
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Originally Posted By Dance:
Awesome post and neat stuff. As a collector: How many swords like this are there estimated to be? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Dance:
Awesome post and neat stuff. As a collector: How many swords like this are there estimated to be? When you sell do you end up making, losing, or breaking even on average? First, because obviously they aren't making any more 1500s and 1600s Japanese swords, but the human population (and disposable income) is generally growing, so supply stays the same, but demand will probably grow. Second, because I am obsessed with finding "the deal", most of the swords I have bought have been at a really good price, so I am certain I will not lose money if I sell them. The few that I have "sold" have generally been trades (to close friends) for other things/services, so it's hard to really calculate what "price" I got. |
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@DK-Prof
Let’s say a person wanted to find a “field grade” Wakizashi or a less than desirable short sword with furniture as a wall hanger (circa 1600) What’s the lowest you’ve seen? |
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Originally Posted By Johnny_Reno:
Probably a stupid question, but I'm assuming that the swords in pristine condition were probably never Pacific war swords. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Johnny_Reno:
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By BillofRights:
How do you keep them preserved? Even if they saw use in the pacific (and perhaps rusted a bit, or were just stained), they can easily be restored to perfect condition with a finish polish. Because such swords ended up among higher officers, it's unlikely they saw much actual "use" - and so most are in really nice condition. |
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A presentable wak with presentable full koshirae? The koshirae will cost more than the blade.
I'd say that's a 500 dollar blade plus at LEAST that much for the koshirae. So let's say I'd expect that to have a price tag starting around a thousand bucks. That's my opinion. Our resident psychopolitical Porsche GTS driver may have a slightly different experience. |
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Originally Posted By Josh:
That stuff is much too fine. Just get a good 150 grit sand paper and go to town. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Originally Posted By MirrorMirror:
A presentable wak with presentable full koshirae? The koshirae will cost more than the blade. I'd say that's a 500 dollar blade plus at LEAST that much for the koshirae. So let's say I'd expect that to have a price tag starting around a thousand bucks. That's my opinion. Our resident psychopolitical Porsche GTS driver may have a slightly different experience. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By MirrorMirror:
A presentable wak with presentable full koshirae? The koshirae will cost more than the blade. I'd say that's a 500 dollar blade plus at LEAST that much for the koshirae. So let's say I'd expect that to have a price tag starting around a thousand bucks. That's my opinion. Our resident psychopolitical Porsche GTS driver may have a slightly different experience. View Quote Most things you can find for less $1000 will have some problem, and you likely will not be happy with it in the long run. |
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@MirrorMirror and @DK-Prof
Are the steel of the old Japan and the modern-day steel comparable? Is it remotely correct to say: With the modern technology..folding of steel, type of steel, chemical additives, etc...The steel/sword is better??? |
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