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Thoroughly enjoying this hobby. It's been a bit overwhelming at first. I have zero musical background, so I'm trying to learn to read sheet music as well as work on my timing, counting, hands and feet. I bought a Drumeo membership and the lessons have helped me immensely. I'm playing grooves and fills that I wouldn't have had a chance in hell of doing a few weeks ago. I bought a second snare stand and a practice pad. VERY useful. Long lifetime of learning, but I think it's one of those things I wish I'd done a bit earlier. Even added to the collection so that I can play during weird hours Attached File |
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Scores of YouTube videos for motivation.
Mia Kayleigh - "Sound of Muzak" by Porcupine Tree Mia Kayleigh - "Sound of Muzak" by Porcupine Tree (Drum Cover, DrumHeads Playalong) Emmanuelle Caplette: Linear Fills Free Drum Lesson (English 2016) Emmanuelle Caplette: Linear Fills Free Drum Lesson (English 2016) |
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Quoted: Scores of YouTube videos for motivation. Mia Kayleigh - "Sound of Muzak" by Porcupine Tree https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dGdrfI-cD8 Emmanuelle Caplette: Linear Fills Free Drum Lesson (English 2016) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-DZs5LuqyA View Quote I've watched a few of Caplette's videos. Pretty helpful. She's not too bad looking either I like Rob Brown's videos too. He's helpful without a bunch of useless fluff. |
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Quoted: You may want to give these a try. You can have the music at a very reasonable level and still feel/hear the acoustic drums in a basement without going deaf in the process. I have personally tried the Vic Firth Headphones but I thought the audio quality sucked and the drums were still really freakin' loud and resonant. Shure SE215 Wired Sound Isolating Earbuds, Clear Sound, Single Driver, Secure In-Ear Fit, Detachable Cable, Durable Quality, Compatible with Apple & Android Devices - Clear https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71bIkEhaVML._AC_SL1500_.jpg Also these replacement silicone tips: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41qqcg5y12L._AC_SL1095_.jpg View Quote Bought a pair. They're great! Cleaned out my basement and put down some carpet tile. Added a bigger crash(it was $100 off, they got me), a small splash, replaced the Yamaha snare with a Pork Pie Big Black brass snare. Having a lot of fun! I think I am going to save through the winter for a nice recording setup. I am using a mirrorless SLR with a Rode microphone which is better than a cell phone, but still somewhat suckass. Attached File |
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Quoted: How hard are they to learn? Cost of a typical adult set that isn't junk? I'm also not trying to spend thousands of dollars. I tried to teach myself guitar in 2013, what a clusterfuck that was. Drums have GOT to be easier.. right? View Quote |
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Quoted: Bought a pair. They're great! Cleaned out my basement and put down some carpet tile. Added a bigger crash(it was $100 off, they got me), a small splash, replaced the Yamaha snare with a Pork Pie Big Black brass snare. Having a lot of fun! I think I am going to save through the winter for a nice recording setup. I am using a mirrorless SLR with a Rode microphone which is better than a cell phone, but still somewhat suckass. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/505736/IMG_1323_jpg-1697958.JPG View Quote Start learning how to tune those drums now. If they sound shitty, don't be lazy and start slapping a bunch of Moongels on there to dampen them. Tune them, and then maybe use one gel on a drum if you still prefer a quieter sound. |
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Quoted: go big or go home.. im guessing the drummer in the first picture has the drums set up around him after he sits down, either that or they lower him in there with some sort of boom. https://townsquare.media/site/725/files/2020/09/drumset.jpg?w=1200&h=0&zc=1&s=0&a=t&q=89 https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e2/21/b1/e221b1bdcbd0b2b86ad6f860dbaef3e8.jpg View Quote Looks pretty easy to set up! |
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Quoted: go big or go home.. im guessing the drummer in the first picture has the drums set up around him after he sits down, either that or they lower him in there with some sort of boom. https://townsquare.media/site/725/files/2020/09/drumset.jpg?w=1200&h=0&zc=1&s=0&a=t&q=89 https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e2/21/b1/e221b1bdcbd0b2b86ad6f860dbaef3e8.jpg View Quote Started when I was 12 and played through high school, multiple bands in college and worship bands later on. Haven't played in 10 years now. Just about anyone can lay down a proper 4/4 in a weeks time. But if you want to be a musician instead of a metronome, it's going to take the rest of your life perfecting your particular skill set. The most interesting side skill resulting from learning to play drums is that it will make you an outstanding equipment operator. I could hop on any excavator, skidsteer or backhoe and be efficient and accurate. I found that this is the only way you could make money "playing" drums. |
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Quoted: Bought a pair. They're great! Cleaned out my basement and put down some carpet tile. Added a bigger crash(it was $100 off, they got me), a small splash, replaced the Yamaha snare with a Pork Pie Big Black brass snare. Having a lot of fun! I think I am going to save through the winter for a nice recording setup. I am using a mirrorless SLR with a Rode microphone which is better than a cell phone, but still somewhat suckass. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/505736/IMG_1323_jpg-1697958.JPG View Quote |
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I've played 10 years or so. Haven't in a long time and as I got older I sold them to buy furniture lol. I had a very nice DW collectors kit, pre 1990's maple shells.
I was always a techno geek - I mic'd and triggered them both. Used Ddrum3 and Ddrum4 drum modules and mics for playing live. Depends on your budget OP. There are some nice edrum kits out there. Lots of people like Roland. I've never been a fan of their sample sounds...they all sound "Roland"ish...I could always pick them out when I heard them being played.... There's a company called 2Box who has a product called "Drummit"... These are the original gangster Ddrum founders who sold the company off (Ddrum is now china junk) and started this company.. you won't find better out-of-the-box drum samples in any electronic drum module. The Roland guys will argue, but it's worth a look before dropping the coin on Vdrums. Ear pro is recommended if you go acoustic. My ears are damaged. eeeeeeeeeeeeeEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeEeeeeeee https://2box-drums.com/ |
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One of the most basic purposes of percussion historically was cadence/tempo. In the past, control of tempo regardless of dynamics or other factors was one of the overriding factors in playing the drums. Having or developing that internal metronome was important. There were plenty of people who could rip off crazy solos or whatever that couldn't be successful drummers long term because they had no sense of tempo. In ear click tracks have changed the dynamic of steady versus flashy significantly. However, given the changes in the music industry and musical tastes, whether we will ever see drummers like Neil Peart who can hold a beat while playing amazing solos, changing time signatures, and more less being the lead instrument, is in question.
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I don’t know how I missed this thread....
I designed out home around a sound reducing music studio in the lower level. I can play my full acoustic set anytime of the day or night and not bother anyone inside of the house (and it cannot be heard outside). Looks like you already have a set, but I haven’t read the whole thread yet. An inexpensive drum can be made to sound great with high quality heads. Might want to consider an upgrade at some point depending on what came with yours. But with cymbals you have to buy once, cry once. Good deals can be found on eBay if you know what you want. Definitely go with ear pro. That concrete basement has no sound control. Some rugs hung up or corner treatment might help. Internal sound control is on my to do list for my drum room. Good luck and have fun! Feel free to IM or email me if you want. The perfect day includes drums, guns, and airplanes. |
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Quoted: You may want to give these a try. You can have the music at a very reasonable level and still feel/hear the acoustic drums in a basement without going deaf in the process. I have personally tried the Vic Firth Headphones but I thought the audio quality sucked and the drums were still really freakin' loud and resonant. Shure SE215 Wired Sound Isolating Earbuds, Clear Sound, Single Driver, Secure In-Ear Fit, Detachable Cable, Durable Quality, Compatible with Apple & Android Devices - Clear https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71bIkEhaVML._AC_SL1500_.jpg Also these replacement silicone tips: https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41qqcg5y12L._AC_SL1095_.jpg View Quote I use the Shure in-ear and put 29db shooting muffs over the top so I don’t have to crank them too loud. I also have my kit mic’d and run through a mixer. |
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Quoted: Update for those who care as well as those who don't... Thoroughly enjoying this hobby. It's been a bit overwhelming at first. I have zero musical background, so I'm trying to learn to read sheet music as well as work on my timing, counting, hands and feet. I bought a Drumeo membership and the lessons have helped me immensely. I'm playing grooves and fills that I wouldn't have had a chance in hell of doing a few weeks ago. I bought a second snare stand and a practice pad. VERY useful. Long lifetime of learning, but I think it's one of those things I wish I'd done a bit earlier. Even added to the collection so that I can play during weird hours https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/505736/IMG_1078_jpg-1672964.JPG View Quote Looks like you are hooked! |
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Quoted: Bought a pair. They're great! Cleaned out my basement and put down some carpet tile. Added a bigger crash(it was $100 off, they got me), a small splash, replaced the Yamaha snare with a Pork Pie Big Black brass snare. Having a lot of fun! I think I am going to save through the winter for a nice recording setup. I am using a mirrorless SLR with a Rode microphone which is better than a cell phone, but still somewhat suckass. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/505736/IMG_1323_jpg-1697958.JPG View Quote Love Zildjian A’s. What size and weight? |
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Quoted: Looks like a nice setup, and I seriously applaud the effort, but what is up with all those Moongels? Start learning how to tune those drums now. If they sound shitty, don't be lazy and start slapping a bunch of Moongels on there to dampen them. Tune them, and then maybe use one gel on a drum if you still prefer a quieter sound. View Quote My guess is the moongel is in response and an attempt to mitigate the concrete walls. I would be interested to hear the acoustics of that room first. |
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Quoted: Looks like you are hooked! View Quote Isn't it funny how groups of people have similar hobbies? LOL I'm jealous that you have a soundproofed room. Luckily I have laid back neighbors, the sound bleed from the basement isn't too bad, and I don't play in the middle of the night This is a 4 week mark video, almost to the day. I'm using a mirrorless SLR with a rode mic, which is better than a cellphone... but still suckass. I've got some mistakes in there, I've got some timing misses and everything needs work. But, I'm satisfied with my progress so far. I tend to be extremely critical of myself all the time, so I'm trying not to beat myself up yet. Green Day - 21 Guns Cover #2 |
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Quoted: One of the most basic purposes of percussion historically was cadence/tempo. In the past, control of tempo regardless of dynamics or other factors was one of the overriding factors in playing the drums. Having or developing that internal metronome was important. There were plenty of people who could rip off crazy solos or whatever that couldn't be successful drummers long term because they had no sense of tempo. In ear click tracks have changed the dynamic of steady versus flashy significantly. However, given the changes in the music industry and musical tastes, whether we will ever see drummers like Neil Peart who can hold a beat while playing amazing solos, changing time signatures, and more less being the lead instrument, is in question. View Quote I once read that some of the best training is playing When the Levee Breaks. There are no distractions, just sitting there feeling every inch of the pocket. Back in Back is in my warm up rotation for that very reason. |
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Quoted: Isn't it funny how groups of people have similar hobbies? LOL I'm jealous that you have a soundproofed room. Luckily I have laid back neighbors, the sound bleed from the basement isn't too bad, and I don't play in the middle of the night This is a 4 week mark video, almost to the day. I'm using a mirrorless SLR with a rode mic, which is better than a cellphone... but still suckass. I've got some mistakes in there, I've got some timing misses and everything needs work. But, I'm satisfied with my progress so far. I tend to be extremely critical of myself all the time, so I'm trying not to beat myself up yet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da_2hK1PMt8 View Quote That’s really god for only a month behind the kit! I saw some left hand leads and eighth notes in there, very nice. Do not lose that ambidexterity, in fact build on it if it’s a natural tendency you have. I don’t know if your buddy gave you some tips on how to hold the sticks and touch the drums/cymbals, but it looks like he did. Start working on the rudiments on your practice pad. You will be amazed what that does when you are playing — you can have an idea and just pull it off without thinking about the sticking or stick control. Great job! (I have our old dive gear in storage, wondering if it is even worth refurbishing or not. I saw your YouTube channel. Diving is awesome, and those cliffs look tiny from the air don’t they?) |
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Quoted: My guess is the moongel is in response and an attempt to mitigate the concrete walls. I would be interested to hear the acoustics of that room first. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Looks like a nice setup, and I seriously applaud the effort, but what is up with all those Moongels? Start learning how to tune those drums now. If they sound shitty, don't be lazy and start slapping a bunch of Moongels on there to dampen them. Tune them, and then maybe use one gel on a drum if you still prefer a quieter sound. My guess is the moongel is in response and an attempt to mitigate the concrete walls. I would be interested to hear the acoustics of that room first. In my observation, drum tuning is often overlooked in both conversation and in practice. When I see a new floor tom with three Moongels already on it, I have to wonder if any time has been spent trying to tune it. I'm not trying to throw shade on the OP; I get that it is more of a practice space setting, and that some dampening may be preferable. My goal is to encourage him to experiment with tuning as he is learning. There's no reason to sidestep it. Get the drums sounding like drums, and they'll be pleasant to the ear no matter what kind of room you're in. What if he gets really good and wants to take them out of his basement someday? I've seen too many drummers who are alright players, but who can't/won't get their drums sounding right. Don't be "that guy" |
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<Playing since age 3. Over 50 years. Sonor/Zildjian.
If you have to put tape on Evans heads to kill the ring, I suspect you are not tuning them properly. Nice kit. Good luck. |
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In an earlier life, I was a recording engineer, and worked with a lot of the jazz greats. This reminds me of a joke they used to say in the studio when referencing another drummer's performance... jazz musicians can be rather snobby...
"... When he was young, he wanted to play drums badly... and now he does." Good luck, OP. Enjoy it. There will come a time where you hate your abilities, and you don't seem to be making any headway. It happens to most artists. Just keep going, work hard, you'll make it through. |
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Quoted: Who knows? In my observation, drum tuning is often overlooked in both conversation and in practice. When I see a new floor tom with three Moongels already on it, I have to wonder if any time has been spent trying to tune it. I'm not trying to throw shade on the OP; I get that it is more of a practice space setting, and that some dampening may be preferable. My goal is to encourage him to experiment with tuning as he is learning. There's no reason to sidestep it. Get the drums sounding like drums, and they'll be pleasant to the ear no matter what kind of room you're in. What if he gets really good and wants to take them out of his basement someday? I've seen too many drummers who are alright players, but who can't/won't get their drums sounding right. Don't be "that guy" View Quote I completely agree with you, except for the “pleasant no matter the room” part. OP, check out the Sounds Like a Drum channel on YouTube. Prepare to lose several hours in that site ... per drum. It might be hard to really hear what is going on in the concrete basement. There might be a lot of sharp attack echoes. Do they sound true to what we are hearing in the video, or better or worse to your ear? My drums sound like crap to my ear in my room simply because I need to control the interior sound. They sound great through mikes and headphones though. Like I said room acoustics are on my to do list.... I think you are getting a lot of that really raw head attack and losing the tone. The gel won’t really help that. But thawntex is right, at least get the heads in tune with each other, start to figure out the range of each drum, and then get the Tom’s in tune with each other. The might sound like shit in the basement, but that is likely not the resonance. Resonant drums are a good thing. |
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Quoted: I'm not a drummer, I'm just a soundguy. And I can't make your drums sound good unless they sound good. View Quote Hey you are probably the person we all need! I have three mics, a full kit, and want to sound like Neil Peart live, help me sound guy!.... And I thought this is what you were gonna to say: And I can't make your drums sound good unless YOU sound good. Tama, Evan coated, Zildjian here. My kit sounds much much better through mikes and headphones than to my ear in the room. I have just recently got on a kick where I am not satisfied with that and am going to fix it. I think that will help them when mic’d too. |
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Quoted: Hey you are probably the person we all need! I have three mics, a full kit, and want to sound like Neil Peart live, help me sound guy!.... And I thought this is what you were gonna to say: And I can't make your drums sound good unless YOU sound good. Tama, Evan coated, Zildjian here. My kit sounds much much better through mikes and headphones than to my ear in the room. I have just recently got on a kick where I am not satisfied with that and am going to fix it. I think that will help them when mic’d too. View Quote I think that's some of the issue. I hear instruments ran through mics and mixers on youtube, or listen to professionally produced and edited songs... and so my drums mostly sound "wrong." I have fiddled with tuning, and I am not against learning it, but my ears also don't know what to listen for at this point. So, "ringy and echo-y" sounds bad to me, hence the dampening. At this point I'm mostly worried about just learning, developing my coordination, timing, hands. I just started. Nuances can be worked on as I progress. (BTW - I am left handed) I did quite a bit of diving this past summer. Managed to drag my GF out and get her open water cert as well. Really enjoy it. Mainly Devil's, Pearl, and Wazee lakes. If the stupid covid thing dies, I'll try to take a vacation where the water is 80 degrees everywhere, instead of freezing my balls off. My AOW cert at Wazee this fall put me in 41 degree water for about 10 minutes. Fuck all that. |
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Quoted: I think that's some of the issue. I hear instruments ran through mics and mixers on youtube, or listen to professionally produced and edited songs... and so my drums mostly sound "wrong." I have fiddled with tuning, and I am not against learning it, but my ears also don't know what to listen for at this point. So, "ringy and echo-y" sounds bad to me, hence the dampening. At this point I'm mostly worried about just learning, developing my coordination, timing, hands. I just started. Nuances can be worked on as I progress. (BTW - I am left handed) I did quite a bit of diving this past summer. Managed to drag my GF out and get her open water cert as well. Really enjoy it. Mainly Devil's, Pearl, and Wazee lakes. If the stupid covid thing dies, I'll try to take a vacation where the water is 80 degrees everywhere, instead of freezing my balls off. My AOW cert at Wazee this fall put me in 41 degree water for about 10 minutes. Fuck all that. View Quote I’ve dove here and the Caribbean. Bath water diving with unlimited viz is awesome. If you need any help with tuning let me know. It’s not rocket science, and there is a bit of art to it. I am not a studio expert by any means but have a really nice head tension gauge which I will lend you if you want. That is a good way to check consistency but the ear is ultimately necessary. It can just involve a lot of fiddling around until you figure out where the drum is happy. And as for that snare you have — I love brass snares. I have a chrome over brass Stewart Copeland signature model snare drum. If you are left handed consider learning left hi hat and ride. That will open up a lot to you that us cross over guys struggle to do. A lot of really great (how do they do that? type) drummers play open handed. |
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Quoted: Hey you are probably the person we all need! I have three mics, a full kit, and want to sound like Neil Peart live, help me sound guy!.... And I thought this is what you were gonna to say: And I can't make your drums sound good unless YOU sound good. Tama, Evan coated, Zildjian here. My kit sounds much much better through mikes and headphones than to my ear in the room. I have just recently got on a kick where I am not satisfied with that and am going to fix it. I think that will help them when mic'd too. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I'm not a drummer, I'm just a soundguy. And I can't make your drums sound good unless they sound good. Hey you are probably the person we all need! I have three mics, a full kit, and want to sound like Neil Peart live, help me sound guy!.... And I thought this is what you were gonna to say: And I can't make your drums sound good unless YOU sound good. Tama, Evan coated, Zildjian here. My kit sounds much much better through mikes and headphones than to my ear in the room. I have just recently got on a kick where I am not satisfied with that and am going to fix it. I think that will help them when mic'd too. The above poster who talked about working with the jazz greats makes me think about the drums, and how I'll think a jazz kit sounds awful until a super-skilled drummer hops on and starts killing it. |
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Quoted: I think that's some of the issue. I hear instruments ran through mics and mixers on youtube, or listen to professionally produced and edited songs... and so my drums mostly sound "wrong." I have fiddled with tuning, and I am not against learning it, but my ears also don't know what to listen for at this point. So, "ringy and echo-y" sounds bad to me, hence the dampening. At this point I'm mostly worried about just learning, developing my coordination, timing, hands. I just started. Nuances can be worked on as I progress. (BTW - I am left handed) I did quite a bit of diving this past summer. Managed to drag my GF out and get her open water cert as well. Really enjoy it. Mainly Devil's, Pearl, and Wazee lakes. If the stupid covid thing dies, I'll try to take a vacation where the water is 80 degrees everywhere, instead of freezing my balls off. My AOW cert at Wazee this fall put me in 41 degree water for about 10 minutes. Fuck all that. View Quote |
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Quoted: I’ve dove here and the Caribbean. Bath water diving with unlimited viz is awesome. If you need any help with tuning let me know. It’s not rocket science, and there is a bit of art to it. I am not a studio expert by any means but have a really nice head tension gauge which I will lend you if you want. That is a good way to check consistency but the ear is ultimately necessary. It can just involve a lot of fiddling around until you figure out where the drum is happy. And as for that snare you have — I love brass snares. I have a chrome over brass Stewart Copeland signature model snare drum. If you are left handed consider learning left hi hat and ride. That will open up a lot to you that us cross over guys struggle to do. A lot of really great (how do they do that? type) drummers play open handed. View Quote Thanks. I will keep it in mind! My buddy is going to bring his kit over(he has more than one lol) and set up next to mine so we can play. I think that another guy I know who plays bass guitar(he's really good at it) wants to come and dink around too. Maybe the neighbors WON'T be so cool, eventually? |
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Quoted: Thanks. I will keep it in mind! My buddy is going to bring his kit over(he has more than one lol) and set up next to mine so we can play. I think that another guy I know who plays bass guitar(he's really good at it) wants to come and dink around too. Maybe the neighbors WON'T be so cool, eventually? View Quote Sounds like a band in the making! Have fun! |
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Quoted: Forgive my ignorance. I saw it mentoned earlier but assumed they were in ear monitors or something similar. Is earpro an app or computer program? How's it work? Dumb question for the day View Quote The Shure in ears are good but not good enough for me in a confined rom. I have to put muffs over the top. And yes the muffs will make your drums sound better. |
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Now learn to play like this guy.
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View Quote I will need another week of practice. Check back later. |
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Quoted: Forgive my ignorance. I saw it mentoned earlier but assumed they were in ear monitors or something similar. Is earpro an app or computer program? How's it work? Dumb question for the day View Quote Ear pro as in ear protection. Both to save your hearing from damage, but they also cut out a lot of the unpleasant buzzing that makes drums project and sound nice when played live, but sound unpleasant to you when you're right behind the kit. |
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Quoted: Ear pro as in ear protection. Both to save your hearing from damage, but they also cut out a lot of the unpleasant buzzing that makes drums project and sound nice when played live, but sound unpleasant to you when you're right behind the kit. View Quote Cool. Thanks that what I thought you said. Learned my lesson the hard way always being next to the drummer. (bass player) |
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Quoted: Ear pro as in ear protection. Both to save your hearing from damage, but they also cut out a lot of the unpleasant buzzing that makes drums project and sound nice when played live, but sound unpleasant to you when you're right behind the kit. View Quote Thanks. I googled "ear pro" and got a lot of results, not sure if you mean the product by surefire or not, in any case I bought the Shure monitors and the foam tips on the ear plugs seal well and keep almost all the outside noise out, but let just enough in so I can hear the drums. I played a few times without hearing protection, definitely not a good idea long term. |
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Tried them in school when real young. Didn't take. Play guitar now instead. Mostly Willie Nelson songs so I get to let the beat wander just like Willie does :)
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