ETA: Guilty of feeding TLRB. Updated his bubble.

Blue State. I don't care. Leftists enabled it, let them feel it

As long as you leave with them, that would be very nice.

Nope, but nice try.  Just incompetence, mixed in with a little "let's hide the details, because it hurts us politically."  It's not a conspiracy, its a policy, coming from the top.  But when the results of said policy hit mainstream, it is damage control.  keep playing please, we all need some entertainment.

Plus no one will want to live there for several years after it's fixed

sounds to me like everything is going according to plan

Thats why you fly them back then throw them out the plane. They wont come back if they are tossed out at 13000ft.

You sound quite confident about that, so you must have some evidence of such a policy. I would really love to see that!

El Salvador had a pretty good method that would probably work well here.

Do you get paid extra for ignorant posts?  Are you saying there is no evidence the "top" rolled back executive orders to open up the border, which lead to these situations? This level of stupid really hurts.

So like New Jack City The take over of the Carter
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Quoting them/it really serves no purpose, except to give them what they want. Negative attention. Inexplicably, it is encouraged here, but there is no good outcome possible when they're simply and clearly agenda driven agent provocateurs, not honest "People". Engagement helps to make the shithole they desire.

"Just a different opinion... ®" lol. Riiiiight.

100% agreed.  sometimes I entertain myself with playing with them, like I would a 2 year old.  I am done.

He's a liar.  They all are.

Better step up your game 13ers, you have a challenger.

Coming to a city near you...

That would be the pain right now. Instead of the even worse later.

Anything picked by federal trespassers in the field would get more expensive.

Tyson chicken would get more expensive.

A large slew of things in the manual labor market would get more expensive.

At which point trump and politicians could quite easily point out exactly what's driving those costs up: the taxes and costs associated with hiring american workers that are unecessary.

The pain should be directed at the underlying cause, instead of "just leave the knife in my lung and give me painkillers."

Getting rid of the minimum wage would be a good start.  Also getting rid of rent controls and zoning would also help on the housing market.

Bad ideas never stay where they are.

You don't need intent to decieve to call something a lie or say that someone has told a lie.

The person telling it may be convinced it is the truth.

In which case they are decieved, telling a lie, and decieving others - with zero ill intent. That may be one of the more dangerous ways that lies get spread.

Calling someone a liar means they are in the habit of telling lies. One who knows things are lies and habitually repeats them is not only a liar but a deciever as well.

#taxonomy-of-wrongdoing.

That's a rather incomplete assessment. How about what would happen to the construction/housing industry, at a time when everybody thinks it's too expensive already?

Anyway, I see you live in a fantasy world where you think if we just get the right people in power they will make things better and fix all the problems. I was once there myself, but moved on to reality a decade ago. You will too, eventually...

Seriously someone needs to man up and go handle business. It is really shocking that it hasn’t happened yet.

You can always say the assessment is incomplete and that will give you a false excuse to avoid the point of the argument.


Nothing I posted requires this. You're just making it up instead of openly and transparently addressing the point I was making.

I'm curious, were you schooled to psychologize - try and speculate about why people say what they do?  Instead of simply seeing what they say means and interacting with that?

I wonder if you even realize that people can see it when you try these sort of diversionary tactics.

I’d say getting your property taken over by a Venezuelan Gang qualifies as an emergency. That city failed. The state failed. The Feds failed.

It’s just bullshit.

That is what would have happened in 99% of other countries. Just not here.

We are absolutely run by imbeciles.

A consult with bukele might be in order.

But but but... we are the problem!

Then after that, who's up for being hammered by the Biden-Harris Justice Department for violating the civil rights of these "newcommers?"

So now you are gaslighting about the gaslighting?
Did you already forget the fact that the "locals" were lying about it and/or covering it up for months?
Even after it hit "national news" they were still lying and saying that the facts are wrong and nothing like that has happened...

You were the one who said people were overreacting because the "government" didn't fix it right away.
By doing so, you imply that +12months of violent crimes by a gang and +6months of a gang takeover is somehow a reasonable timeline for the locals to still be ignoring the issue and acting like it isn't happening...

And yes, this is issue is directly linked to the current administration's policies and is happening in many cities across the country.
Just because they all don't become national news doesn't mean it isn't happening.

My point was that you seem to be grossly understating the potential impact. The simple reality is that very few people out of the total population of the country actually experience the substantial negative effects of the current problem, but Trump's solution would bring great pain directly to every single person. That's why it will never happen, even if Trump wins. A few conversations with business leaders who he respects will shut it down before it even gets started. Anybody who thinks otherwise is simply deluded.

Anyway, you said:



I assumed you were implying that there will be more than politicians pointing stuff out, that they would then proceed to actually do something about the "taxes and costs associated with hiring american workers that are unecessary".

Anyway, there's a term I can't remember right now for the idea that we should be very slow to undo things that were done in the past. It is arrogant for us to assume we know better than the people who did it, and there often may be reasons they did things that we don't fully understand today.

A good example is that right now it's popular to say that the government should help address the cost of housing by removing red tape and things like zoning rules and other bureaucratic impediments to building and development. But the implication in all these conversations is that the rules in question are unnecessary and there will be no negative consequences to getting rid of them. That shows a complete lack of understanding for why and how those rules came to exist in the first place.

To hear many talk about these things, you would think that it was just some collection of elites with power forcing their ideas on everybody unilaterally. Yet the reality is that everything that exists today is the product of many decades of election cycles and debates and conversations and planning meetings and all the stuff that happens locally that most people don't pay much attention to. Everybody who complains about these things goes about their daily life enjoying the benefits of them without ever giving it a single thought.

When push comes to shove, there's a reason why NIMBY is the normal way these things go. It's easy to talk about what others should do, it's very different to talk about sacrificing my personal quality of life for the benefit of some faceless nameless theoretical other. Expensive neighborhoods are expensive because everybody wants to live there, cheap neighborhoods are cheap because nobody wants to live there unless they have no other choice. Things like zoning laws are the reasons why nice neighborhoods are nice.

You can apply that to practically everything you want changed about government and laws and rules and regulations. Nothing happened without there being a perceived reason for it happening and some group of people coming together and coming to agreement about making it happening. Now when you come in and say you want it undone, it's a debate about what will be lost when it is undone. All the inertia is against the change, which is why no matter what politician talks a big talk about making big change, it is extremely rare that anything substantial will ever happen, especially on the federal level.

The most the conservative movement could ever hope to achieve was to provide resistance and impediments to big radical changes. It was very successful at doing that. Now that Trump has co-opted it, it has lost its effectiveness in that role and now all the debates center around which big radical changes should be done once power is acquired. The era of Republicans standing for smaller government and cutting spending and regulation (at least in principle) is gone, never to return.

That's why I long ago gave up up on the idea that we should pick our leaders based on what they promise to do once in office. The only thing that really matters is character--put the people with the best character possible in there and forget about all the rest of the nonsense and go live your life to the fullest potential possible.