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Posted: 11/13/2020 6:28:33 PM EDT
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Quoted: ^ A tanker wearing old school reeboks? Quoted: Nothing quite like ”peacekeeping” with Grads.  Honestly these 2 posts made me lol. Those pics are just so....Russian. Could have been taken 40 years ago. Nothing has changed. |
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Posted: 11/13/2020 6:41:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ^ A tanker wearing old school reeboks? Well they recently learned about socks 
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Posted: 11/13/2020 6:56:03 PM EDT
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Rocket artillery is not one of the first things I think of when thinking of peace keeping.
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Posted: 11/13/2020 6:56:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder how long till the Azeris and Russians get into it. |
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Posted: 11/13/2020 6:59:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Indeed. Had they not had state of the art weapons and personnel and intelligence assistance vs 30 year old and older Soviet era junk (for the most part) I wonder how this would have played out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What that map says, more than anything else's, is how much of a trouncing Azerbaijan dished out. I don't think there is single region that was predominantly Azeri in 1991 that is not now on the Azerbaijan side of that solid line. [snipped rest of post] Indeed. Had they not had state of the art weapons and personnel and intelligence assistance vs 30 year old and older Soviet era junk (for the most part) I wonder how this would have played out. Azerbaijan clearly had this whole thing very well planned out - probably years in advance. And it is obvious Turkey had a major role here. Turkey probably more than offset its Syrian losses. |
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Posted: 11/13/2020 7:01:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One half of my family is Armenian. Makes me sad to see this war. I don't really keep up on what is going on in Armenia so I have no context here. But it's sad to see people wanting Armenia to be wiped out. Christianity has been under constant attack. We just lost another battle. 
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Posted: 11/13/2020 7:24:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Christianity has been under constant attack. We just lost another battle. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: One half of my family is Armenian. Makes me sad to see this war. I don't really keep up on what is going on in Armenia so I have no context here. But it's sad to see people wanting Armenia to be wiped out. Christianity has been under constant attack. We just lost another battle. Uh oh, the guy jacking off at the muslims winning this will be along to mock you shortly. 
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Posted: 11/13/2020 7:31:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Azerbaijan clearly had this whole thing very well planned out - probably years in advance. And it is obvious Turkey had a major role here. Turkey probably more than offset its Syrian losses. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What that map says, more than anything else's, is how much of a trouncing Azerbaijan dished out. I don't think there is single region that was predominantly Azeri in 1991 that is not now on the Azerbaijan side of that solid line. [snipped rest of post] Indeed. Had they not had state of the art weapons and personnel and intelligence assistance vs 30 year old and older Soviet era junk (for the most part) I wonder how this would have played out. Azerbaijan clearly had this whole thing very well planned out - probably years in advance. And it is obvious Turkey had a major role here. Turkey probably more than offset its Syrian losses. Not sure about years, but attacking right before our elections was not an accident. They knew it would be a shit show and distract everyone, not just the US. Turkey lit the fire and fanned the flames, as I've always said. Azerbaijan can be as "secular" and "moderate" as everyone here says, that doesn't mean things don't change and they won't ally themselves with a (now) extremist muslim nation to achieve their objectives. It will be interesting to see how turkey plays this in the months and years to come. Had they not had the materiel, personnel, and intelligence support of turkey this would have at best been a draw. Israel's help is not to be discounted either, and it wouldn't surprise me if their reason for providing so much weapons isn't just oil, but also because Armenia is allied with Iran. The reasons for this alliance I brought up earlier. |
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Posted: 11/13/2020 7:55:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If Russia wants that to happen they will manufacture it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wonder how long till the Azeris and Russians get into it. Oh, that would be great. And a terrible idea for Russia. |
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Posted: 11/13/2020 8:20:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not sure about years, but attacking right before our elections was not an accident. They knew it would be a shit show and distract everyone, not just the US. Turkey lit the fire and fanned the flames, as I've always said. Azerbaijan can be as "secular" and "moderate" as everyone here says, that doesn't mean things don't change and they won't ally themselves with a (now) extremist muslim nation to achieve their objectives. It will be interesting to see how turkey plays this in the months and years to come. Had they not had the materiel, personnel, and intelligence support of turkey this would have at best been a draw. Israel's help is not to be discounted either, and it wouldn't surprise me if their reason for providing so much weapons isn't just oil, but also because Armenia is allied with Iran. The reasons for this alliance I brought up earlier. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What that map says, more than anything else's, is how much of a trouncing Azerbaijan dished out. I don't think there is single region that was predominantly Azeri in 1991 that is not now on the Azerbaijan side of that solid line. [snipped rest of post] Indeed. Had they not had state of the art weapons and personnel and intelligence assistance vs 30 year old and older Soviet era junk (for the most part) I wonder how this would have played out. Azerbaijan clearly had this whole thing very well planned out - probably years in advance. And it is obvious Turkey had a major role here. Turkey probably more than offset its Syrian losses. Not sure about years, but attacking right before our elections was not an accident. They knew it would be a shit show and distract everyone, not just the US. Turkey lit the fire and fanned the flames, as I've always said. Azerbaijan can be as "secular" and "moderate" as everyone here says, that doesn't mean things don't change and they won't ally themselves with a (now) extremist muslim nation to achieve their objectives. It will be interesting to see how turkey plays this in the months and years to come. Had they not had the materiel, personnel, and intelligence support of turkey this would have at best been a draw. Israel's help is not to be discounted either, and it wouldn't surprise me if their reason for providing so much weapons isn't just oil, but also because Armenia is allied with Iran. The reasons for this alliance I brought up earlier. The reality is that anyone who is looking at this as simply a Muslim v. Christian conflict is engaged in very simplistic thought. The reality is much more complicated than that, and that should be evident to anyone giving the history of this so much as cursory examination. |
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Posted: 11/13/2020 8:35:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The reality is that anyone who is looking at this as simply a Muslim v. Christian conflict is engaged in very simplistic thought. The reality is much more complicated than that, and that should be evident to anyone giving the history of this so much as cursory examination. It appears water was the biggest strategic goal of this engagement. |
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Posted: 11/13/2020 9:17:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder how long till the Azeris and Russians get into it. If those maps are right, I don't see why they would. Azerbaijan seems to have gotten everything it really wanted. Near flawless victory, and they had their revenge. Also, the N-K crowd can't argue they need a buffer zone, as they now have Russians to reassure them. The Russian get it have a huge presence and be seen as security guarantors for Armenians, a land corridor into Armenia, and a chance to completely undermine the Minsk Group. Win-Win-Win, from the looks of it. |
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Posted: 11/13/2020 9:22:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It appears water was the biggest strategic goal of this engagement. That's been one of be biggest goals of civilization for more or less ever |
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Posted: 11/13/2020 9:23:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It appears water was the biggest strategic goal of this engagement. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The reality is that anyone who is looking at this as simply a Muslim v. Christian conflict is engaged in very simplistic thought. The reality is much more complicated than that, and that should be evident to anyone giving the history of this so much as cursory examination. It appears water was the biggest strategic goal of this engagement. It sounded like the water issue was a pretty big one before the war began. I think I saw something that said that they had captured what they needed in order to regain control over their water resources. It also sounds like in some areas, Azeri captures of Armenian equipment not only may have offset their losses, but also even expanded their inventory beyond what it was before the war. It also sounds like the Armenian government trying to make it sound like they were winning this whole time didn't pay off for them. |
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Posted: 11/13/2020 10:04:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It sounded like the water issue was a pretty big one before the war began. I think I saw something that said that they had captured what they needed in order to regain control over their water resources. It also sounds like in some areas, Azeri captures of Armenian equipment not only may have offset their losses, but also even expanded their inventory beyond what it was before the war. It also sounds like the Armenian government trying to make it sound like they were winning this whole time didn't pay off for them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The reality is that anyone who is looking at this as simply a Muslim v. Christian conflict is engaged in very simplistic thought. The reality is much more complicated than that, and that should be evident to anyone giving the history of this so much as cursory examination. It appears water was the biggest strategic goal of this engagement. It sounded like the water issue was a pretty big one before the war began. I think I saw something that said that they had captured what they needed in order to regain control over their water resources. It also sounds like in some areas, Azeri captures of Armenian equipment not only may have offset their losses, but also even expanded their inventory beyond what it was before the war. It also sounds like the Armenian government trying to make it sound like they were winning this whole time didn't pay off for them. I don't think the main motivator for this war was religion, I think religion was a part of it, especially for turkey to gleefully offer weapons, men, intel, and probably money to Azerbaijan. As for the Armenian government's propaganda backfiring, well of course it would, any time a government lies then loses a war/battle. It was stupid of them to do that, and the fact is with all the information available out there the public should have known better. Too much of the Soviet system/mentality remains there. I'm curious to know how many were killed on each side. That's a figure that will be a little more difficult to get out of the governments. |
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Posted: 11/13/2020 10:07:36 PM EDT
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Quoted: Well they recently learned about socks He's no more a Tanker then a Bradley crew. Motorized/Mechanized Infantry. |
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Posted: 11/14/2020 12:35:25 PM EDT
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Shocking images captured by a photographer for Reuters in a convoy of Russian peacekeepers show heavy casualties in the fighting between Azerbaijani and ethnic Armenian forces in the battle for Shushi/Susa.
Graphic pics in link None graphic below, rest at the link(bodies everywhere)  
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Posted: 11/14/2020 1:03:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing quite like ”peacekeeping” with Grads. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Russian Peackeepers with old school BMP-2s and Bm-21 Grads https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/405668/grad_png-1682991.JPG https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Emu8VWjXcAUYf_u?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Emu8SxGXEAYIA6h?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Emu9ZSWWMAAEYTY?format=jpg&name=large Nothing quite like ”peacekeeping” with Grads. LOL |
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Posted: 11/14/2020 1:03:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ^ A tanker wearing old school reeboks? Russia stronk!! |
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Posted: 11/14/2020 1:19:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder how long till the Azeris and Russians get into it. Armenians don't seem to trust the Russians either. Armenian media has already accused the CO of the Russian contingent of being ethnically Azeri. He held an interview where he stated he's actually Dagestani.
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Posted: 11/14/2020 1:25:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Armenians don't seem to trust the Russians either. Armenian media has already accused the CO of the Russian contingent of being ethnically Azeri. He held an interview where he stated he's actually Dagestani. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wonder how long till the Azeris and Russians get into it. Armenians don't seem to trust the Russians either. Armenian media has already accused the CO of the Russian contingent of being ethnically Azeri. He held an interview where he stated he's actually Dagestani.  This is going to be great. |
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Posted: 11/14/2020 1:26:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is going to be great. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wonder how long till the Azeris and Russians get into it. Armenians don't seem to trust the Russians either. Armenian media has already accused the CO of the Russian contingent of being ethnically Azeri. He held an interview where he stated he's actually Dagestani. This is going to be great. Maybe the Grads were a good idea 
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Posted: 11/14/2020 1:37:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Armenians don't seem to trust the Russians either. Armenian media has already accused the CO of the Russian contingent of being ethnically Azeri. He held an interview where he stated he's actually Dagestani. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I wonder how long till the Azeris and Russians get into it. Armenians don't seem to trust the Russians either. Armenian media has already accused the CO of the Russian contingent of being ethnically Azeri. He held an interview where he stated he's actually Dagestani. Not possible. Certain experts in GD have told me Russia is ethnically homogeneous. But, I think the whole thing is hilarious, and really underscores how the Armenians are and think... and to a lesser extent, the reality of Caucasus nationalities in general. |
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Posted: 11/14/2020 1:40:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not possible. Certain experts in GD have told me Russia is ethnically homogeneous. But, I think the whole thing is hilarious, and really underscores how the Armenians are and think... and to a lesser extent, the reality of Caucasus nationalities in general. Fucking Caucasians. |
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Posted: 11/14/2020 1:42:59 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I wonder how long till the Azeris and Russians get into it. Probably why they sent a bunch of RE troops with outdated equipment. |
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Posted: 11/14/2020 1:43:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fucking Caucasians. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not possible. Certain experts in GD have told me Russia is ethnically homogeneous. But, I think the whole thing is hilarious, and really underscores how the Armenians are and think... and to a lesser extent, the reality of Caucasus nationalities in general. Fucking Caucasians. I had to deliberately avoid that word, due to how it is used here. Getting GD out of the 19th Century in anthropology is as hopeless as getting them out of the mid 17th Century in political science. |
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Posted: 11/14/2020 1:46:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had to deliberately avoid that word, due to how it is used here. Getting GD out of the 19th Century in anthropology is as hopeless as getting them out of the mid 17th Century in political science. Fucking Warrant Officers.
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Posted: 11/14/2020 1:47:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had to deliberately avoid that word, due to how it is used here. Getting GD out of the 19th Century in anthropology is as hopeless as getting them out of the mid 17th Century in political science. That was going to be my comment |
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Posted: 11/14/2020 1:53:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had to deliberately avoid that word, due to how it is used here. Getting GD out of the 19th Century in anthropology is as hopeless as getting them out of the mid 17th Century in political science. You mix a hell of a Caucasian, Jackie. |
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Posted: 11/14/2020 1:59:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The reality is that anyone who is looking at this as simply a Muslim v. Christian conflict is engaged in very simplistic thought. The reality is much more complicated than that, and that should be evident to anyone giving the history of this so much as cursory examination. The reality is no one gives a fuck what happens between Azerbaijan and Armenia. |
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Posted: 11/14/2020 2:26:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/14/2020 2:31:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The reality is no one gives a fuck what happens between Azerbaijan and Armenia. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The reality is that anyone who is looking at this as simply a Muslim v. Christian conflict is engaged in very simplistic thought. The reality is much more complicated than that, and that should be evident to anyone giving the history of this so much as cursory examination. The reality is no one gives a fuck what happens between Azerbaijan and Armenia. Yet even here, on a site where even prior knowledge of the countries in question is grounds for suspicion of "globalist" thought, we have a 37 page thread and growing. |
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Posted: 11/14/2020 2:33:16 PM EDT
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 Russian peacekeepers in Dadivank, Kelbajar district. Their mission: to protect the Armenian monastery there ahead of the district being handed back to Azerbaijan   
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Posted: 11/14/2020 2:55:52 PM EDT
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Interesting video by a Russian War correspondent.
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Posted: 11/14/2020 3:06:44 PM EDT
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Quote History  . Also a soviet era mag pouch. |
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Posted: 11/14/2020 4:11:08 PM EDT
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 In flight over the US now, SAM113, on it's way back from Azerbaijan. |
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Posted: 11/14/2020 4:26:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/14/2020 5:22:54 PM EDT
[#38]
Looks like Armenia got it ass kicked.
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Posted: 11/14/2020 6:37:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Armenians don't seem to trust the Russians either. Armenian media has already accused the CO of the Russian contingent of being ethnically Azeri. He held an interview where he stated he's actually Dagestani. Requoring this after some research. Dagestani is overwhelmingly Muslim, so apparently the good Christian nation of Russia sent a Muslim to guard the Armenians. From Muslims. The Turks are coming, the Turks are coming! |
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Posted: 11/14/2020 7:53:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Requoring this after some research. Dagestani is overwhelmingly Muslim, so apparently the good Christian nation of Russia sent a Muslim to guard the Armenians. From Muslims. The Turks are coming, the Turks are coming! That was basically how the Soviets policed the Central Asian Republics, back in the day. Now, will it work for the Near Abroad? I'd say signs point to yes. As the South American FAO told me...the first rule of geography is that stuff or people that is closer to one another effects each other more than stuff that is further away. There is no second rule. |
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Posted: 11/14/2020 8:00:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Requoring this after some research. Dagestani is overwhelmingly Muslim, so apparently the good Christian nation of Russia sent a Muslim to guard the Armenians. From Muslims. The Turks are coming, the Turks are coming! Hahaha. Yeah. There's a lot of Russians (nationality) that are Muslim. GD likes to forget this but when you mix a third grade mentality with 1930s information |
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Posted: 11/14/2020 8:17:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That was basically how the Soviets policed the Central Asian Republics, back in the day. Now, will it work for the Near Abroad? I'd say signs point to yes. As the South American FAO told me...the first rule of geography is that stuff or people that is closer to one another effects each other more than stuff that is further away. There is no second rule. I’m sure it’s going to work just fine. Azerbaijan has what it wants and it got it decisively. So long as the Armenians behave themselves and the Russians don’t go revanching all the things again, I don’t see why this wouldn’t be sustainable. |
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Posted: 11/14/2020 8:23:54 PM EDT
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The Russians have placed ethnic caps on conscription for the past few years. They don’t want their armed forces to have the true demographics of the country.
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Posted: 11/14/2020 8:33:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shocking images captured by a photographer for Reuters in a convoy of Russian peacekeepers show heavy casualties in the fighting between Azerbaijani and ethnic Armenian forces in the battle for Shushi/Susa. Graphic pics in link None graphic below, rest at the link(bodies everywhere) https://gdb.rferl.org/575b14af-2548-4531-b803-e1844e05b761_w1023_s.jpg https://gdb.rferl.org/31159896-928c-4794-a622-51e3ad8b7ce7_w1023_s.jpg |
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Posted: 11/14/2020 8:37:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Russians have placed ethnic caps on conscription for the past few years. They don’t want their armed forces to have the true demographics of the country. And, interestingly, Shoigu is now on year 9 of his assignment as Defense Minister. A riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. But, perhaps there is a key. |
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Posted: 11/14/2020 8:43:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Russians have placed ethnic caps on conscription for the past few years. They don’t want their armed forces to have the true demographics of the country. I read that certain high profile organizations like VDV went professional precisely to control the intake. |
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Posted: 11/14/2020 9:04:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The way the battle is going, dead Armenians Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Shocking images captured by a photographer for Reuters in a convoy of Russian peacekeepers show heavy casualties in the fighting between Azerbaijani and ethnic Armenian forces in the battle for Shushi/Susa. Graphic pics in link None graphic below, rest at the link(bodies everywhere) https://gdb.rferl.org/575b14af-2548-4531-b803-e1844e05b761_w1023_s.jpg https://gdb.rferl.org/31159896-928c-4794-a622-51e3ad8b7ce7_w1023_s.jpg No question about it |
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Posted: 11/14/2020 9:05:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I read that certain high profile organizations like VDV went professional precisely to control the intake. I've heard that had more to do with singing than anything |
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Posted: 11/15/2020 12:25:50 AM EDT
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Found some details on the agreement.
Per this looks like Armenia/N-K promised to give every inch of Azerbaijani land back that wasn't N-K proper, even the stuff that was almost vacant of people west and connected N-K with Armenia proper. This is even more dramatic than the earlier maps showed. https://english.iswnews.com/16231/the-peace-agreement-between-azerbaijan-and-armenia-who-is-the-winner-of-this-conflict/?fbclid=IwAR0IVMGuT3Oo4CCI-zIF0sa5P5jPbn0sHIqyZO-G8OR2W_35FY-rFNKOWWc |
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Posted: 11/15/2020 2:38:25 PM EDT
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So is Armenia going to accept this loss or are they likely to try to build up their forces in hopes of retaking the land in the future?
In other words, just how attached are they to that land? |
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