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Posted: 10/10/2024 12:53:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SilasB: WAC (Women's Army Corps) would be correct, or also Red Cross. But sure, you could MARVEL the war and do whatever you want. Nobody should be able to object. Thank you. That will help my search a bit. There are some real ones out there, and we might be able to get a class A jacket and fashion a skirt. My students think we can could work with something like that to make it happen. We are NOT set on this idea yet, just exploring the possibilities. I'm not sure there is enough room for 2 manniquins in the space Im envisioning. It's just an idea, given that we have a manniquin already. |
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Posted: 10/10/2024 12:57:16 PM EST
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Update 10/10.2
Too cool.    His nephew, Mr. Myers(Woodshop teacher here at PHS) brought in the flight bibs today and his original photograph.  They are pretty darn big for a guy who was 5' 3" 130lbs. 
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Posted: 10/10/2024 1:55:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Update 10/10.2 Too cool. https://i.imgur.com/bFwAkz7.jpg https://i.imgur.com/EdLBYg6.jpg His nephew, Mr. Myers(Woodshop teacher here at PHS) brought in the flight bibs today and his original photograph. https://i.imgur.com/pZod2pF.jpg They are pretty darn big for a guy who was 5' 3" 130lbs. https://i.imgur.com/RzKI7Ky.jpg "One Size Fits None" |
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Posted: 10/10/2024 1:56:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SilasB: WAC (Women's Army Corps) would be correct, or also Red Cross. But sure, you could MARVEL the war and do whatever you want. Nobody should be able to object. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SilasB: Originally Posted By guns762: Ok, Arfcom crew..... We have a female manniquin. Could we add a Army Nurse in uniform standing next to our Airman? Where could I get a repro Army nurse uniform? WAC (Women's Army Corps) would be correct, or also Red Cross. But sure, you could MARVEL the war and do whatever you want. Nobody should be able to object. Yeah, a Red Cross Donut Dollie would be appropriate. |
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Posted: 10/10/2024 2:55:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: brass]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Update 10/10 Students and staff have the day off tomorrow. So this is out end of week update. The NGAD team has most of the frames on now, and we got the wing spars cut and centered yesterday on the beam. They were still designing the tail frame late yesterday. We intend to cut the main beam, making it narrower at the end sometime today. This should help us determine the right height, at the bottom of the rear frames. We should then be able to get this thing going a bit faster. https://i.imgur.com/1VvbfL3.jpg The Panther Mech teams have been mostly fitting the front leg and adding foam to right front leg. We need the shoulder to be closer to the neck. This has taken lots of work to get the foam sculpted on the inside to fit the ribs better. We are basically down to a single 2" layer of foam, which looks better. Once we begin on the insides of the other three legs we should be able to move a bit faster. The head has also continued to get more foam, and I'm hoping for some sculpting soon. https://i.imgur.com/09TkXxG.jpg https://i.imgur.com/vCC3Jhx.jpg I'm trying to decide how we will do the torso of the big cat. I originally thought we'd do foam between the ribs, but now I'm considering just doing burlap with glue. It might give us a decent looking base skin texture, while showing the ribs, and we will be adding details over top of most of that. The foam isn't really needed for structure....I think. I'll have to discuss this with the team and see what they think of the idea. The Bing AI image generator is nice to be able to get some ideas for armor and skin. This isn't exactly what we are thinking, but the kids like the basics. We may combine this with some other plans. https://i.imgur.com/9z7ejgO.jpg https://i.imgur.com/hY21zi1.jpg https://i.imgur.com/XaQfyqb.jpg The mural continues for the panther. https://i.imgur.com/ziyRb7I.jpg The B-17 Teams The top turret needed a little rework on the side attachments. https://i.imgur.com/trWJnIy.jpg Students were making sure the stringers on the outer engines did not pass the "wall". https://i.imgur.com/RNVLu61.jpg https://i.imgur.com/h0qnYfg.jpg One problem we are running into is our outer rings on the inside engined and outer engines are not mounted in the same place. The problem will come when mounting the foam ends. https://i.imgur.com/D1cqLRL.jpg We really need the foam ring to end right at the end of our profile plywood points. To do this we added a 3/4 spacers to the interiror engine rings. This worked perfectly. The outer engine rings push the foam out 1/2 too much. Cutting the foam on the backside 1/2 is going to be tought to get it even. The factory flat side on the front is what I'd like to preserve, so the sculptors have a reference point. With out it, I'm worried our ring will not look great. You can also see in this picture where the fuselage windows will intersect our stringers. We will have to add framework around these, so we can cut away the ones running through them. Our fancy engine pin we figured out yesterday morning to keep the engine housing from coming off the wing was a bit too good. The engine could not be removed because it fit too tight and needed to be able to slide diagonally when coming off. We reworked it a bit, and it's holding the cowling in the correct placement, but not as clean as it was before. https://i.imgur.com/aWPDXtk.jpg For the Mech Panther - Might want to put a chicken wire belly on it to ensure the curves are continual and smooth prior to the burlap and glue (same way you've made taxidermy mount landscapes). All sorts of wobbles will show up if it's burlap hanging or burlap strung between two stringers since getting tension on all of them exact is nearly impossible due to curves and distance not matching. As you know, once you go 3D measurements aren't as neat and clean. Chicken wire could be cut and tied together to make the smooth curve ahead of time instead of trying to get burlap hanging just right while it is drying. Foam would also be a headache, but with the radius of torso narrowing from shoulders to waist, that's a very complex shape, especially if adding in actuator looking muscle lines. The bright side is this crew now has a lot of experience with foam and could knock out the belly pretty quickly, while the experience with a composite like burlap over a non defined mold would be a learning experience with extremely difficult to sand and fill corrections. How are you going to do the Wasp engines? Lots of cooling fins and cylinders, to the point you might want to back the plane into the wall 4 ft so you only have to build two of them.  |
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Posted: 10/10/2024 4:29:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: xanadu]
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I heard the stories.
And then I see the pictures. Then I have nothing but gratitude for those who served. |
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Posted: 10/10/2024 6:38:01 PM EST
[Last Edit: redoubt]
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On the panther, which is coming together nicely by the way, don't forget the 'primordial pouch' under the body. It's an important part of a cat's anatomy.
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Posted: 10/10/2024 10:18:51 PM EST
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Posted: 10/11/2024 5:34:31 AM EST
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The original Fly Girls
Had the pleasure of meeting one of the original WASPs, Flo Watson. Amazing women with a dangerous job that they did exceedingly well. |
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Posted: 10/12/2024 12:47:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: Looks like it was hell on nose gunners.  the favorite attack method was head on, trying to kill the pilots. they also would fire rockets trying to break up the formations to pounce on the bombers who left formation. or force them off the bombing run. |
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Posted: 10/12/2024 12:55:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Ok, Arfcom crew..... We have a female manniquin. Could we add a Army Nurse in uniform standing next to our Airman? Where could I get a repro Army nurse uniform? might also consider Rosie the Riveter type as well. since many women actually built these planes, and a handful flew them to places to be picked up. but nurses were also very important. 
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Posted: 10/12/2024 1:13:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By somedude: might also consider Rosie the Riveter type as well. since many women actually built these planes, and a handful flew them to places to be picked up. but nurses were also very important. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/Group_of_Women_Airforce_Service_Pilots_and_B-17_Flying_Fortress.jpg/766px-Group_of_Women_Airforce_Service_Pilots_and_B-17_Flying_Fortress.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By somedude: Originally Posted By guns762: Ok, Arfcom crew..... We have a female manniquin. Could we add a Army Nurse in uniform standing next to our Airman? Where could I get a repro Army nurse uniform? might also consider Rosie the Riveter type as well. since many women actually built these planes, and a handful flew them to places to be picked up. but nurses were also very important. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/Group_of_Women_Airforce_Service_Pilots_and_B-17_Flying_Fortress.jpg/766px-Group_of_Women_Airforce_Service_Pilots_and_B-17_Flying_Fortress.jpg I think the riveter might be a good contrast to the amount of military already in the room. Though sticking with the theme is also an option, Rosy has a colorful look to contrast against the Earth tones in the flight bibs. 
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Posted: 10/13/2024 4:53:08 AM EST
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When I was a young, like 10 - 15 years old my dentist's wife was one of the women who flew planes from the factories to where they would be shipped overseas. For the fighters she flew P47s and P51s and for bombers she flew B24's, B25's and B17's. I wish I could get the pictures she showed us but she passed away long ago and I'm no longer in touch with her family. She was so proud of her effort to the war.
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Posted: 10/13/2024 9:41:16 AM EST
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One of my childhood friends' aunt was a Rosie in Seattle.
Aunt June- as we all called her- was a hoot. She used to work on cars with her sons and husband and scandalized all the neighborhood hens by doing so. |
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Posted: 10/14/2024 7:26:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GiggleSmith: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/40561/Snoopy_jpg-3346407.JPG  That's a helpful photo of the cockpit framework. |
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Posted: 10/14/2024 7:28:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: For the Mech Panther - Might want to put a chicken wire belly on it to ensure the curves are continual and smooth prior to the burlap and glue (same way you've made taxidermy mount landscapes). All sorts of wobbles will show up if it's burlap hanging or burlap strung between two stringers since getting tension on all of them exact is nearly impossible due to curves and distance not matching. As you know, once you go 3D measurements aren't as neat and clean. Chicken wire could be cut and tied together to make the smooth curve ahead of time instead of trying to get burlap hanging just right while it is drying. Foam would also be a headache, but with the radius of torso narrowing from shoulders to waist, that's a very complex shape, especially if adding in actuator looking muscle lines. The bright side is this crew now has a lot of experience with foam and could knock out the belly pretty quickly, while the experience with a composite like burlap over a non defined mold would be a learning experience with extremely difficult to sand and fill corrections. How are you going to do the Wasp engines? Lots of cooling fins and cylinders, to the point you might want to back the plane into the wall 4 ft so you only have to build two of them. We might stretch the burlap like canvas and allow the ribs to look like ribs. We will be adding other details, so we aren't too worried about a smooth surface. |
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Posted: 10/14/2024 7:28:51 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By redoubt: On the panther, which is coming together nicely by the way, don't forget the 'primordial pouch' under the body. It's an important part of a cat's anatomy. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/74363/primalpouch-3346055.jpg 
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Posted: 10/14/2024 7:30:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By somedude: might also consider Rosie the Riveter type as well. since many women actually built these planes, and a handful flew them to places to be picked up. but nurses were also very important. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/aa/Group_of_Women_Airforce_Service_Pilots_and_B-17_Flying_Fortress.jpg/766px-Group_of_Women_Airforce_Service_Pilots_and_B-17_Flying_Fortress.jpg Good idea, and good photo, thank you. |
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Posted: 10/14/2024 9:30:07 AM EST
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Update 10/14
Back in the swing.....maybe. We have the foam cut out for the front of the engines. We will sculpt these into the rounded forms. I was just thinking, we probably should cut out a couple extras, as this will not be an easy thing to do. You can also see Will working on getting the windows for the cockpit laid out. The picture posted earlier will help a bunch with clearing up some details on the body lines.  Peyton is working to get the side windows on the fuselage framed. We were about 1/4" overlapping with out stringers, and I made the executive decision that we would move the windows to fit without moving and cutting the stringers. I told Caydee(who laid them out perfectly) it could be just the difference between our caliper measurment of the blue prints, and optically, they fit perfectly with out other body details, so we were moving them to fit.  Myah and Gavin put a little base paint on the inside of our ball turret. We fitted the PVC slices onto the front to hold our 50's.  We also fitted the sides to the ball, correcting some little crushed areas in the window frames.  Dani and Dawson are working hard to get more foam on to the head of our panther.  Baylor is fitting the inner shoulder of our panther's left front leg to the torso. Later that day, students got it perfectly fitted. They are working on the insides of the other legs now. We need to run some PVC tubes for wiring in the rear right leg, as well as the torso soon, before we get too crazy with the burlap idea. Not something we want to do after. 
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Posted: 10/14/2024 11:12:19 AM EST
[Last Edit: guns762]
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And rework is in order.
Sometimes, things look "right", and then they don't. As we add details things that are wrong start to show up a bit. Will caught this problem this morning. He was working to get the cockpit framework on, and wasn't liking the slope of the window frame. Once we started problem solving, it became obvious that our nose is dropping too much.  We should have measured the drop from the top of T-3 to T-2 and T-1, but we didn't and now it's going to cost us a bit. After doing a little work with the caliper, I think we are 3/4" too much drop from T-3 to T-2. T-1 is only about 1/2" low. The plan is to drill holes under the slot beam on both frames, then use the sawsall to cut the slots deeper. Then, we will unscrew the 1x2s holding the frames from the beam, and push them up. I have a suspision that our stringers will have to be pulled away from both frames for this to happen. That is going to be the sucky part.  The even worse news is the stringers on the bottom are going to be too short when we move the frames up. We will have to cut them back to T-4 or, even T-5 and redo them. And Monday was going so well.  |
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Posted: 10/14/2024 11:16:22 AM EST
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I tell some of my seniors working on this in about 10min. Pray for me. If I go missing, they probably hid my body in the stagecoach.
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Posted: 10/14/2024 2:43:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: And rework is in order. Sometimes, things look "right", and then they don't. As we add details things that are wrong start to show up a bit. Will caught this problem this morning. He was working to get the cockpit framework on, and wasn't liking the slope of the window frame. Once we started problem solving, it became obvious that our nose is dropping too much. We should have measured the drop from the top of T-3 to T-2 and T-1, but we didn't and now it's going to cost us a bit. After doing a little work with the caliper, I think we are 3/4" too much drop from T-3 to T-2. T-1 is only about 1/2" low. The plan is to drill holes under the slot beam on both frames, then use the sawsall to cut the slots deeper. Then, we will unscrew the 1x2s holding the frames from the beam, and push them up. I have a suspision that our stringers will have to be pulled away from both frames for this to happen. That is going to be the sucky part. The even worse news is the stringers on the bottom are going to be too short when we move the frames up. We will have to cut them back to T-4 or, even T-5 and redo them. And Monday was going so well. https://i.imgur.com/XkfFUuk.jpg Are you measuring from the model or the 8½x11" printed blueprint? Either way, that's a lot of wiggle room for measurement creep. Need to do a datum line from center of nose to center of tail and same across wing then reproduce those on the airplane to measure absolutes from instead of relative to for heights, not for every single measurement, but for a check before putting a hard to undo step in. Has a B-17 Model been completed yet? I remember seeing them mentioned but don't recall a build photo of anything other than the theoretical F-19 |
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Posted: 10/14/2024 2:46:49 PM EST
[#23]
These threads are always awesome
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Posted: 10/14/2024 7:51:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: Are you measuring from the model or the 8½x11" printed blueprint? Either way, that's a lot of wiggle room for measurement creep. Need to do a datum line from center of nose to center of tail and same across wing then reproduce those on the airplane to measure absolutes from instead of relative to for heights, not for every single measurement, but for a check before putting a hard to undo step in. Has a B-17 Model been completed yet? I remember seeing them mentioned but don't recall a build photo of anything other than the theoretical F-19 Model isn't done. I need to fine a new student to take it on. The model works for many things, but at 1/72 scale, it's not great for all things. The 8.5x11 blue prints are what we used to correct the mistake. That, and optically comparing it to the reference books and photos. |
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Posted: 10/15/2024 9:06:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: + 50.00 for 3" deck screws and 3 2x2s __________________________________________________ Total as of 10/8 $1405.00 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Update 9/3 Cost Update: 2 B-17 models $90 6 sheets of plywood, 2x2s, 1x2s= $300 100 sheets of 20x30" Drawing board= $400 _____________________________________ Total as of 9/3/24 $790 + $135 for 2 more sheets of 1/2" CDX, 10 1x2s, 4 tape measures, and 2 speed squares ___________________________________________ Total as of 9/9/24 $925 https://i.imgur.com/ybE8Rkt.jpg + $145 for 3 1x8"x 8' , 1 4x8' 2" foam sheet, and box of 1 1/4" deck screws ______________________________________________ total as of 9/16 $1070.00 +$135 for 8 2x4's, 10 1x2s, and 2 sheets of 1/2" plywood. ___________________________________________ Total as of 9/17 $1205.00 +$150.00 for 4 sheets of 2" foam boards. ______________________________________________ Total as of 10/1 $1355.00 + 50.00 for 3" deck screws and 3 2x2s __________________________________________________ Total as of 10/8 $1405.00 +$150 for 2 sheets of 2" foam, 6 1x2s, 4 10' 1" PVC tubes, and 2 sawsall blades __________________________________________________ Total as of 10/15 $1555.00 |
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Posted: 10/15/2024 10:22:43 AM EST
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Upate 10/15 1st day of rifle, deer and elk season for many areas. Seniors are also retaking the ACT today. Going to be a few kids gone.
On the mural strudents started getting the old iconic tower painted in.  Our NGAD is finally starting to take a little better shape. There have been many reworks on the bottom of the frames. Students debated extensively about the design. They are now set on how the bottom contour, front to back looks. They now have to get the wing spars down just a bit to fit the alterations they made on the fuselage.   The Panther Mech head got a little refitting of foam on the head, as we missed an area behind the upper jaw. The legs are still being sculpted. Two more sheets of foam should be here in an hour or so to continue.  The B-17. As I posted yesterday, we began lifting the nose. Here is a picture of the blue prints, with the lines we should have used to measure the placement of T-3, T-2, and T-1 vertically.  Starting the adjustment of T-2 and T-1    After raising T-2 and T-1, then reattaching the stringers.   Yesterday, students also started working to make sure there wasn't a canting happening with the outer engines. They are twisting under weight a bit, so students are refitting the holes the 2x2 fits into to keep them oriented the correct way.  The port wing foam is also closer to what needs to happen. They are fitting the inside engine to the wing a little closer.  |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 11:00:17 AM EST
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Update 10/16
The NGAD wing spars are now in the correct location and not too high. We still have one more frame, 5.5 to get added this afternoon. Stringers should be happening soon.  On our Panther, the right leg is now getting fitted to the torso. Lots of sculpting left to do. Students wanted to try the hot knife yesterday sculpting the head. It took a little bit to get the hang of it and stop melting the foam. It is a prettty slick way to get things cut down without vibrating the whole scupture with the sawsall.  We pulled the inside engine cowlings yesterday so we could start sculpting the foam rings on the ends. The stringers are all complete on these two now.  We cut out our foam top to the cockpit area. They will slice it down to 1.5" before rasping it down to the correct shape.  Stringers on the bottom of the wings are just about done. We still are struggling with the last couple on each side, as students keep resisting putting a runner on the inside of the fuselage to rest the stringers on.  Eventually, they will do it, as they already did on the port side top. Not sure why this is such a point of contention. They have spent more time trying to work around it, rather than just do it and get it done.   |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 11:12:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: They have spent more time trying to work around it, rather than just do it and get it done. First day with teenagers?
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Posted: 10/16/2024 11:15:57 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmnoid77: First day with teenagers? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dmnoid77: Originally Posted By guns762: They have spent more time trying to work around it, rather than just do it and get it done. First day with teenagers? Some days it feels like it. I would understand if it was just one student being hard headed, but there are three of them in different classes. I guess it's kind of a "clean thing". It won't look as clean(now), but the runners are on the inside of the fuselage, not something that will ever be seen, and yet they are doing everything they can to not install them and make their lives easy. 
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Posted: 10/16/2024 11:22:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Some days it feels like it. I would understand if it was just one student being hard headed, but there are three of them in different classes. I guess it's kind of a "clean thing". It won't look as clean(now), but the runners are on the inside of the fuselage, not something that will ever be seen, and yet they are doing everything they can to not install them and make their lives easy. Sometimes you simply have to test whether or not the stove is hot. |
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Posted: 10/16/2024 1:56:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: brass]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Upate 10/15 1st day of rifle, deer and elk season for many areas. Seniors are also retaking the ACT today. Going to be a few kids gone. On the mural strudents started getting the old iconic tower painted in. https://i.imgur.com/WDOONFW.jpg Our NGAD is finally starting to take a little better shape. There have been many reworks on the bottom of the frames. Students debated extensively about the design. They are now set on how the bottom contour, front to back looks. They now have to get the wing spars down just a bit to fit the alterations they made on the fuselage. https://i.imgur.com/J05Qsw6.jpg https://i.imgur.com/RznbwOh.jpg The Panther Mech head got a little refitting of foam on the head, as we missed an area behind the upper jaw. The legs are still being sculpted. Two more sheets of foam should be here in an hour or so to continue. https://i.imgur.com/02gAdPC.jpg The B-17. As I posted yesterday, we began lifting the nose. Here is a picture of the blue prints, with the lines we should have used to measure the placement of T-3, T-2, and T-1 vertically. https://i.imgur.com/Wx9CLvu.jpg Starting the adjustment of T-2 and T-1 https://i.imgur.com/l9r2Ae4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/TmHh8tL.jpg https://i.imgur.com/hRHVbzD.jpg After raising T-2 and T-1, then reattaching the stringers. https://i.imgur.com/GWCp9gJ.jpg https://i.imgur.com/tQcIYUj.jpg Yesterday, students also started working to make sure there wasn't a canting happening with the outer engines. They are twisting under weight a bit, so students are refitting the holes the 2x2 fits into to keep them oriented the correct way. https://i.imgur.com/LiZjdIl.jpg The port wing foam is also closer to what needs to happen. They are fitting the inside engine to the wing a little closer. https://i.imgur.com/RzjllI7.jpg Congrats on using a datum for measurements! However, on the engine, twisting a 2x2 will just un-twist (or twist more) eventually. Need a 2x4 or better yet another 2x2 to stop canting, it will get worse in winter when it gets dry and then in spring when it gets a little humid again. |
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Posted: 10/17/2024 8:40:22 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: Congrats on using a datum for measurements! However, on the engine, twisting a 2x2 will just un-twist (or twist more) eventually. Need a 2x4 or better yet another 2x2 to stop canting, it will get worse in winter when it gets dry and then in spring when it gets a little humid again. The students have added a small block on the backside of the 2x2 to help mitigate the twisting, but the twisting is something that is only a temperary proboblem for us. We want to be able to work with the engine level right now. Once it is up on the wall, the wall will literally not allow it to twist at all, as long as we get the engine stringers cut correctly, and square to the "wall". |
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Posted: 10/17/2024 9:00:48 AM EST
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Update 10/17
This little move got a chuckle out of me yesterday, as well as appreciation for a great selection of tools we have, and an imagination to use them. Baylor is trying to drill a 1 1/4 hole trough the 2x4s in the shoulder of our panther. We want to run our pvc tube through to the head for our wiring. Getting the drill in there is almost impossible. I didn't tell him how to do it, just do it. I came back and he was using the extender and the spade bit to get it done. I was pretty impressed.    Lots of shaping and sculpting on legs still. Our goal is to match the left leg shape as best we can.  The B-17 is getting more and more details. The last few stringers on the wings, with the supports that no one wants to do..... well, kind of....on one side.  This one only catches the first couple, but doesn't get the last two.   We began working pretty hard on getting the foam rings on the engine cowlings, and the start of shaping them. She didn't want to hear what I had to say at this point.  The outer engines with the foam ring attached. Stringers are done on this side; we will get the remaining foam on the edge of the wing on there today.   Beginning the sculting process on the rings. This is not an easy thing to do. Perfect circles with perfect angles. Yikes! and yet, Paige is doing an outstanding job!  The inner carving will happen soon.  @Thugbuster Teagan began working on Capt. Fred Wilson's jacket for our display.   Sophia is working on our portrait of Ray Alfred Myers  |
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Posted: 10/17/2024 9:21:22 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: @Thugbuster Teagan began working on Capt. Fred Wilson's jacket for our display. https://i.imgur.com/Hz1aT8B.jpg https://www.battlefieldsww2.com/bergen-u-boat-bunker.html We are currently in Copenhagen after spending the last 2 weeks sailing north to Tromso, Norway and back in search of the Northern Lights. They were phenomenal. We head south tomorrow and will eventually end up in Lisbon in 2 weeks. |
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Posted: 10/17/2024 9:25:15 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Thugbuster: AWESOME!!!! His diary will come when the MRS and I return from Europe on Nov1. We will be visiting some of Fred's target areas in France. We did visit one fyord in Bergen that has Nazi sub pens which were targeted by the British. https://www.battlefieldsww2.com/bergen-u-boat-bunker.html We are currently in Copenhagen after spending the last 2 weeks sailing north to Tromso, Norway and back in search of the Northern Lights. They were phenomenal. We head south tomorrow and will eventually end up in Lisbon in 2 weeks. That sounds like an amazing trip! Enjoy!
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Posted: 10/17/2024 9:11:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: DK-Prof]
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: I think the riveter might be a good contrast to the amount of military already in the room. Though sticking with the theme is also an option, Rosy has a colorful look to contrast against the Earth tones in the flight bibs. https://i.imgur.com/RHWFrl8.jpeg FYI - and at the risk of being a pedantic jerk - that image is NOT of "Rosie the Riveter" The image of the "we can do it" lady is a completely unrelated image, that is unfortunately often mistaken for the original Rosie the Riveter. THIS is the correct Rosie the Riveter image (created by Norman Rockwell in early 1943), shown with her rivet gun, her lunchbox with her name on it, and resting her feet on a copy of Hitler's "Main Kampf"  The other image is from the same period but is unrelated (and was apparently an internal Westinghouse poster), and for unclear reasons in the 1980s somehow got associate with "Rosie the Riveter" even though it never had any such connection or connotation. |
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Posted: 10/18/2024 1:22:36 AM EST
[Last Edit: brass]
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: FYI - and at the risk of being a pedantic jerk - that image is NOT of "Rosie the Riveter" The image of the "we can do it" lady is a completely unrelated image, that is unfortunately often mistaken for the original Rosie the Riveter. THIS is the correct Rosie the Riveter image (created by Norman Rockwell in early 1943), shown with her rivet gun, her lunchbox with her name on it, and resting her feet on a copy of Hitler's "Main Kampf" https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1715/C4C503E5-66C5-48F1-B59A-9848BF58763D-429619.jpg The other image is from the same period but is unrelated (and was apparently an internal Westinghouse poster), and for unclear reasons in the 1980s somehow got associate with "Rosie the Riveter" even though it never had any such connection or connotation. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DK-Prof: Originally Posted By brass: I think the riveter might be a good contrast to the amount of military already in the room. Though sticking with the theme is also an option, Rosy has a colorful look to contrast against the Earth tones in the flight bibs. https://i.imgur.com/RHWFrl8.jpeg FYI - and at the risk of being a pedantic jerk - that image is NOT of "Rosie the Riveter" The image of the "we can do it" lady is a completely unrelated image, that is unfortunately often mistaken for the original Rosie the Riveter. THIS is the correct Rosie the Riveter image (created by Norman Rockwell in early 1943), shown with her rivet gun, her lunchbox with her name on it, and resting her feet on a copy of Hitler's "Main Kampf" https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1715/C4C503E5-66C5-48F1-B59A-9848BF58763D-429619.jpg The other image is from the same period but is unrelated (and was apparently an internal Westinghouse poster), and for unclear reasons in the 1980s somehow got associate with "Rosie the Riveter" even though it never had any such connection or connotation. Thanks for clearing that up! I thought Rosie the riveter and the "we can do it" girl were both some "Rosie" like she was some sort of celebrity at the time and the various girl power posters were all depicting Rosie, even though some looked different, posters always morph things. I will now use the correct Rosie that it is cleared up. Still vote for her to be featured as it's simpler and a nice contrast to the rest in addition to being a symbol of the girl power wave we're drowning in anyway. |
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Posted: 10/18/2024 11:59:13 AM EST
[#38]
Update 10/18
Frantic Friday Edition- shortened. We had "Shakespear In The Schools" here today, so the first few hours of classes were attending the play. Progress today will be a bit slowed. Yesterday, students got the first couple stringers on the NGAD and started planning out where the next set will be, and how we want to do the edge of the wing/nose/fuselage  A sense of how the fuselage will look is starting to appear.   Our Panther Mech legs are moving faster now. They finished up the third leg yesterday and began adding foam to the rear right leg with the PVC conduit running through it.  Fitting the front right leg and rear left leg on the body went much, much quicker this time.   Our panther's head still getting foam added. We are close to starting the scuplting process on that. This picture shows how our shoulders appear on the torso and the slight cant outwards for the stance.   Isaiah sclupting the inside of the engine cowlings. We did use the contour gauage today to get a better base contour, and will probably cut out a few in drawing board for students to make sure all 4 end up the same.  The top of the cockpit is getting reworked a bit. Will and I agreed that there was a bit too much of a slope downward, and we need it to be a bit more abrupt. We cut off the nose of it and added new foam to be sculpted down, for a second attempt. 
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Posted: 10/18/2024 6:37:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: xanadu]
[#39]
Weekend relaxation - starting at 18:22
Or jump to the final at 22:40  I Carved This Into a Great White Shark |
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Posted: 10/21/2024 8:56:48 AM EST
[#40]
Update 10/21
The diarama for the hanger is starting to come together in our planning concept a bit more. We have all these important features with real people they represent; nose art for individual planes and men, portrait for a PHS student/WWII vet, flight bibs. Nurse or Rosie. Our PHS portrait will probably end up wearing one of our hand painted bomber jackets if that is ok with SilasB, SiVisPacem and Thugbuster. Hell, maybe our Nurse/Rosie can have one of the jackets draped across her shoulders? I still need to find one more bomber jacket to paint. Capt. Fred Wilson's nose art still coming along. She is using oil paint this time. We thought it would be fun to try it with the blending in the skin tones that was needed. It also seems like it may end up looking better "weathered" as the oil paint stains and sinks into the leather, where the acrylic was mostly on the surface.  Our panther mural of Heart Mountain and the tower is still coming along well. It is fun to see the details start to show up a bit in the tower. We have a big rivalry volleyball match on Tuesday night, so we will have to move the lift and all the paint out of the way, as there will be a lot of people in the commons, and not a ton of supervision of children.  This is Karre. Karre is one of my beginning Art 1 students. She has shown that she is quite capable at creating excellent renderings in her projects this year. She forgot her project at home Friday, so I put her to work shaping one of our outer engine rings. She was terrified of messing up, but did a great job.  I made her a contour profile cut out, using one of our guages that was so generously donated by FestusMcGee.  Students finished the stringers on the port, outer engine also on Friday, so we have all the stringers now finished on our airframe. Today we will begin fitting motors to the engins, and running conduit for wiring. We probably should start skinning this thing too. The outer edged of the wings still need a bit more foam carving before they are done, but it won't be long till it's finshed. Students reshaped the top of the cockpit roof on friday and it's about ready to be glued in place, then fitted a bit more to the roof line. Details around those windows should start today. We will have to plan out where our access panels will be for our electronics will be located. 
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Posted: 10/21/2024 9:34:41 AM EST
[#41]
That is really starting to come together and looks awesome.
As for the portrait and the jackets, you don't need my permission, but you enthusiastically have it. Keep up the great work! |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 7:02:48 AM EST
[#42]
Got another B-17 movie for everybody
The War Lover Those are Genuine B-17 flying in the movie. The King of Cool: Steve McQueen stars OK, it isn't his Best movie. But the flying scenes are Kewl  The War Lover |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 9:08:52 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GiggleSmith: Got another B-17 movie for everybody The War Lover Those are Genuine B-17 flying in the movie. The King of Cool: Steve McQueen stars OK, it isn't his Best movie. But the flying scenes are Kewl  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFC_5n08a-0Been quite a while since I've seen that movie. |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 9:20:52 AM EST
[#44]
Update 10/22
After exhausting finding a drawing that could be converted to the CAD program here at the school, Will is working with the CAD teacher to just draw up a propeller blade for our B-17 engines. They will eventually be 3D printed.  I was abit worried about how this was going to turn out, given the reference picture exposure and lack of contrast, but Teagan is doing an outstanding job. The swimsuit worried me most, as there just wasn't much detail work with.  Alyssa is working on laying out where our panther foot will need plywood as a base. Dani is filling in the muzzle of our panther with foam. I think she is just about ready to start carving. She has done some excellent portraits in oils, and ceramics, so it will be fun to see how she leads this part of the project.   Our NGAD fighter is starting to get some sexy contour lines with the stringers. More students will start to work on this as we move away from framework on the B-17   Students cut all the remaining parts of the wings that overlapped our "wall" mounting. The only thing left is the engines. The outside quarters of these stick out/into the walls. We decided to reinforce the ends a bit and add a cross member to keep them from springing up. The ends will get cut to the wall today.  Yesterday, I gave the first lesson in skinning our fuselage. I'll need to give the same speech to several other classes today, as they begin adding skin the to back of the tops of the wings(least visible area to begin with). 
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Posted: 10/22/2024 9:26:26 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: +$150 for 2 sheets of 2" foam, 6 1x2s, 4 10' 1" PVC tubes, and 2 sawsall blades __________________________________________________ Total as of 10/15 $1555.00 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Originally Posted By guns762: Update 9/3 Cost Update: 2 B-17 models $90 6 sheets of plywood, 2x2s, 1x2s= $300 100 sheets of 20x30" Drawing board= $400 _____________________________________ Total as of 9/3/24 $790 + $135 for 2 more sheets of 1/2" CDX, 10 1x2s, 4 tape measures, and 2 speed squares ___________________________________________ Total as of 9/9/24 $925 https://i.imgur.com/ybE8Rkt.jpg + $145 for 3 1x8"x 8' , 1 4x8' 2" foam sheet, and box of 1 1/4" deck screws ______________________________________________ total as of 9/16 $1070.00 +$135 for 8 2x4's, 10 1x2s, and 2 sheets of 1/2" plywood. ___________________________________________ Total as of 9/17 $1205.00 +$150.00 for 4 sheets of 2" foam boards. ______________________________________________ Total as of 10/1 $1355.00 + 50.00 for 3" deck screws and 3 2x2s __________________________________________________ Total as of 10/8 $1405.00 +$150 for 2 sheets of 2" foam, 6 1x2s, 4 10' 1" PVC tubes, and 2 sawsall blades __________________________________________________ Total as of 10/15 $1555.00 +$100 for multiple packs fo sandpaper, Spool of 20ga wire, junction boxes, 1/2" dowel for .50 cals. _____________________________________________________ Total as of 10/22 $1655.00 |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 10:26:03 AM EST
[#46]
I'm trying to piece together outfits for our two manniquins that we will be showing off our handpainted bomber jackes, and original flight bibs. For our nurse, I'm seeing a cosplay costume on Amazon that doesn't look too bad, and something the students could work with. As for Roy's outfit, Mr. Myers says he also has Roy's "chiefs jacket". I may have to look for a shirt. I wonder if we could use my dad's old kacki army shirt from 1970? I've got a set of his "class A's" pants and shirt?
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Posted: 10/22/2024 10:27:19 AM EST
[Last Edit: Cypher15]
[#47]
Good stuff. Hadnt looked at this years project yet.
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Posted: 10/22/2024 12:10:30 PM EST
[#48]
Our Robotics instructor found this link to a CAD drawing of a B-17 engine. We think we can 3D print a 1/4 scale version for our engines.
https://www.thingiverse.com/wilmracer/designs |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 1:27:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: brass]
[#49]
For the NGAD, maybe use smaller diameter dowels, like 1/4" which are flexible enough but leave you a rounded edge contour (in addition to the structural stringers, just to prevent covering from sagging)?
Rest is looking good. Jacket nose art oil painter is quite talented! |
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Posted: 10/22/2024 1:30:55 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By guns762: Our Robotics instructor found this link to a CAD drawing of a B-17 engine. We think we can 3D print a 1/4 scale version for our engines. https://www.thingiverse.com/wilmracer/designs That would be a HUGE labor saving step! |
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