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Posted: 8/1/2021 7:58:05 AM EST
[#1]
Agree to a point.
The Nolan Batman trilogy remains some of the best cinema has to offer. His movies feature compellingly real, character/motivation driven stories that also happened to be fantasy/heroic subject matter. A very realistic, grounded take on the genre. …But the lineage of today’s MCU and DC cinematic universes - as well as the independents that are finally coming to light - is directly traced to the 1989 Batman movie. (Obviously the lineage goes back further with the Superman movies but we’re talking Batman here). Tim Burton brought the right amount of authenticity to the role. Keaton did a very good job switching from a guy who was funny/humor-dramatic to a convincing Bruce Wayne. But the camp level of the movies was an easily ignorable “yeah, but” to the movie. I saw it at the theater that summer and loved it. That was the heyday of my comic book collecting. Also, this seems apropos: 
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Posted: 8/1/2021 7:58:06 AM EST
[#2]
I like the sequel better. The Penguin sinking beneath the water is one of my favorite movie shots.
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Posted: 8/1/2021 7:59:50 AM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What, no Lego Batman? lego batman is best batman. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 8:02:52 AM EST
[#4]
let me help you out OP. Change the title to this:
What is the best Batman movie, and why is it Batman Begins? |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 8:08:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is the best Batman movie, and why is it Batman Begins? OMG That would literally be a hilarious way to word a thread title!!!!!! People would reply with the gif of Antonio Banderas looking at a computer screen!!!! Just imagine how funny and original that would be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 8:13:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OMG That would literally be a hilarious way to word a thread title!!!!!! People would reply with the gif of Antonio Banderas looking at a computer screen!!!! Just imagine how funny and original that would be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 8:14:08 AM EST
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Posted: 8/1/2021 8:17:14 AM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: OMG That would literally be a hilarious way to word a thread title!!!!!! People would reply with the gif of Antonio Banderas looking at a computer screen!!!! Just imagine how funny and original that would be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/temp-96.gif  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 8:19:26 AM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OMG That would literally be a hilarious way to word a thread title!!!!!! People would reply with the gif of Antonio Banderas looking at a computer screen!!!! Just imagine how funny and original that would be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What is the best Batman movie, and why is it Batman Begins? OMG That would literally be a hilarious way to word a thread title!!!!!! People would reply with the gif of Antonio Banderas looking at a computer screen!!!! Just imagine how funny and original that would be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
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Posted: 8/1/2021 8:19:47 AM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You guys are just trying to be edgy. Heath Ledger's Joker scenes alone are better than all the rest of the Batman movies combined. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 8:21:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're 100% right, Keaton is the best batman. Pfeiffer is the best catwoman, Devito is the best penguin. Legends of cinema. Burgess Meredith and it’s not even close. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 8:22:22 AM EST
[#12]
Keaton and Burton's Batman were true to the 60's tv show.
But Nolan's reminded me of the original DC Detective comics. Batman was a dark and angry individual back when he first started. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 8:23:12 AM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You're 100% right, Keaton is the best batman. Pfeiffer is the best catwoman, Devito is the best penguin. Legends of cinema. Yes |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 8:23:36 AM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. 1989 Batman is second to The Dark Knight. Ledger was better than Nicholson in the role. Don't argue it. They're different. One's not objectively better than the other. Both are highly entertaining, quality movies. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 8:29:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean the show about a crime fighting billionaire vigilante (who dresses up like a flying mammal) was too much of a joke? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is where you lost me. The franchise turned into a complete joke until Nolan/Bale came and saved it. You mean the show about a crime fighting billionaire vigilante (who dresses up like a flying mammal) was too much of a joke? West and Keaton were the best and by a wide margin. It is a comic book aimed at teenage boys. It isn’t supposed to take itself too seriously. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 8:33:34 AM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One of my earliest memories was watching my father celebrate some dude named Reagan win his first term as President. But because I have a different opinion than you do I'm obviously a millennial, for some odd fucking reason. 21ers are so much more drama filled than 13ers. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 8:34:41 AM EST
[#17]
In any super hero movie series, the first one is ALWAYS the best one.
Mr Freeze was gay. The Penguin sucked. Jim Carrey blows, he is Fire Marshal Bill in every role. Poison Ivy? Give me a fuckin' break. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 8:35:47 AM EST
[#18]
I can go along with this
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Posted: 8/1/2021 8:40:27 AM EST
[#19]
Nicholson was the Joker. He killed people with jokes. Ledger was just a weird looking psycho.
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Posted: 8/1/2021 8:43:18 AM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Keaton and Burton's Batman were true to the 60's tv show. But Nolan's reminded me of the original DC Detective comics. Batman was a dark and angry individual back when he first started. Kind of funny that we lump the West and Keaton Batmans into the same level of camp now. When the ‘89 Batman came out people were horrified at how dark it was. My mom took me to the opening night at midnight, and she was like, whoah is this really for kids? Despite the trailers boomers still expected boomer childhood Batman. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 8:46:18 AM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One of my earliest memories was watching my father celebrate some dude named Reagan win his first term as President. But because I have a different opinion than you do I'm obviously a millennial, for some odd fucking reason. I went to Reagan inauguration. Meredith’s penguin is better that Devito’s Keaton rules Batmen |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 8:46:59 AM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nicholson was the Joker. He killed people with jokes. Ledger was just a weird looking psycho. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 8:50:22 AM EST
[#23]
It had the best batmobile also.
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Posted: 8/1/2021 8:58:00 AM EST
[#24]
What I really liked about Keaton was that you would never guess that he was Batman. Tim Burton talked about this a bit, he really wanted two people living one life and he felt like he got that with Keaton. Even Max Shreck is shocked to discover Bruce Wayne is Batman and he probably knew Bruce Wayne for years lol.
Christian Bale's Bruce Wayne was basically everyone ignoring the fact that Bruce Wayne is Batman. You saw Bruce Wayne and thought, "Yea, pretty sure thats Batman". Also, I LMAO'd when watching the first Bale movie and learned that the super secret ninja school deep within the Himalayas is run by a white Irish guy. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 8:59:37 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed. Also, Jack Nicholson was the best Joker. Ehhhh.... |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 9:07:18 AM EST
[#26]
Tim Burton's Batman Returns has such a charm about it...
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Posted: 8/1/2021 9:10:22 AM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One of my earliest memories was watching my father celebrate some dude named Reagan win his first term as President. But because I have a different opinion than you do I'm obviously a millennial, for some odd fucking reason. This one might not be a retread, fellas. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 9:12:20 AM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nicholson was the Joker. He killed people with jokes. Ledger was just a weird looking psycho. Style over relatable sickness, different strokes and different times, but well placed in each |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 9:15:55 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It had the best batmobile also. Concur. I remember reading an article in Hot Rod magazine, probably about the same time as the ‘89 movie. IIRC original Batmobile was built on a ‘66 Caprice chassis. It was so damn heavy and unstable, it had a max speed of 30mph.  They obviously did their Hollywood thing to make it look faster, but still. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 9:16:23 AM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Also, I LMAO'd when watching the first Bale movie and learned that the super secret ninja school deep within the Himalayas is run by a white Irish guy.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 9:18:46 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nicholson was the Joker. He killed people with jokes. Ledger was just a weird looking psycho. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 9:36:03 AM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In any super hero movie series, the first one is ALWAYS the best one. Mr Freeze was gay. The Penguin sucked. Jim Carrey blows, he is Fire Marshal Bill in every role. Poison Ivy? Give me a fuckin' break. Don't forget what they did with Bane in that set of movies...yikes |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 9:45:19 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Kind of funny that we lump the West and Keaton Batmans into the same level of camp now. When the ‘89 Batman came out people were horrified at how dark it was. My mom took me to the opening night at midnight, and she was like, whoah is this really for kids? Despite the trailers boomers still expected boomer childhood Batman. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Keaton and Burton's Batman were true to the 60's tv show. But Nolan's reminded me of the original DC Detective comics. Batman was a dark and angry individual back when he first started. Kind of funny that we lump the West and Keaton Batmans into the same level of camp now. When the ‘89 Batman came out people were horrified at how dark it was. My mom took me to the opening night at midnight, and she was like, whoah is this really for kids? Despite the trailers boomers still expected boomer childhood Batman. Totally different levels. 89 was pretty dark with a high body count but still enough camp to be fun. Nolan Bales ones are way too serious, which makes them stupid. In the real world everyone would be shot. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 9:46:47 AM EST
[#34]
Born in the mid 80s. i dont know if ive ever seen the Keaton movies all the way through. Never was into comics and always thought what bit I've seen was super corny. Didn't care about seeing the Bale's batman until people were talking about it and i finally watched it on DVD. I enjoyed it enough to see the second one in theaters and loved ledgers performance and the darkness of it. Probably because it was my first real introduction to the batman character but when i think of batman i think of the Nolan trilogy.
gonna have to watch the keaton version to give it a chance |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 9:56:16 AM EST
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Posted: 8/1/2021 10:30:14 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OMG That would literally be a hilarious way to word a thread title!!!!!! People would reply with the gif of Antonio Banderas looking at a computer screen!!!! Just imagine how funny and original that would be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What is the best Batman movie, and why is it Batman Begins? OMG That would literally be a hilarious way to word a thread title!!!!!! People would reply with the gif of Antonio Banderas looking at a computer screen!!!! Just imagine how funny and original that would be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Attached File |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 10:38:35 AM EST
[#37]
I thought the way Tim Burton did Batman and Batman Returns really brought out how I would have imagined bringing the comics to life would be. It seemed to blend all the elements.
The Nolan trilogy I also like but it's dark and more real. I could watch that without tying it much to the actual comics. Kind of like the comic hero is a real life entity but not bringing the comic into real life like the Keaton batmans. I hope that made sense lol. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 10:40:24 AM EST
[#38]
Yes, Keaton is Batman.
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Posted: 8/1/2021 10:42:27 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You guys are just trying to be edgy. Heath Ledger's Joker scenes alone are better than all the rest of the Batman movies combined. Yeah it was. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 10:49:55 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nicholson was the Joker. He killed people with jokes. Ledger was just a weird looking psycho. Ledger's Joker was out to prove that society is thinly held together. And depending on class and status, how expendable and reactionary society is. In the end he failed with the harbor scene and the two boats. But succeeded into turning Dent to hating the system that he once believed in. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 12:15:16 PM EST
[#41]
Saw it on my 18th birthday. Will always be my favorite Batman movie. Just did everything right.
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Posted: 8/1/2021 1:29:27 PM EST
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Posted: 8/1/2021 2:17:04 PM EST
[#43]
Val Kilmer in Batman Forever was the best Batman in the best Batman movie.
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Posted: 8/1/2021 4:47:46 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tim Burton made the movies a joke. Keaton did great and cat woman was super sexy in an S&M way. The Bale-Ledger version wasn't campy and cartoonish like the Burton versions. They took themselves seriously and brought in a ton of great actors. Full disclosure: I have a crush on Anne's catwoman  https://www.channelguidemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Dark-Knight-Rises_The_1a.jpg I'd go so "Tiger Style" on that Cat Woman we'd makes some awesome Kittens ... 
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Posted: 8/1/2021 4:51:09 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ledgers performance was and is iconic. I've always felt it's a unfair comparison because it's too different Jokers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Never watched the old Batman shows and I never got into comic books besides Conan. Jack is obviously a better actor than Heath. Maybe his Joker was closer to what the creater of that character envisioned, I have no idea. All I'm saying is there's a pretty good reason why the vast majority of people have crowned that Batman as the king of all super hero movies. Ledger's Joker was on another level. I've always felt it's a unfair comparison because it's too different Jokers. The - "PG" version Vs. the "R" rated Jokers. One was fine & funny for the kids to laugh at & with! Heath was definitely NOT for the kiddies! |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 4:52:38 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The - "PG" version Vs. the "R" rated Jokers. One was fine & funny for the kids to laugh at & with! Heath was definitely NOT for the kiddies! |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 5:01:35 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Val Kilmer in Batman Forever was the best Batman in the best Batman movie.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 9:03:14 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Totally different levels. 89 was pretty dark with a high body count but still enough camp to be fun. Nolan Bales ones are way too serious, which makes them stupid. In the real world everyone would be shot. This right here. BATMAN 1989 is the best Batman movie. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 9:10:12 PM EST
[#49]
I thought it was mediocre, at best, when I saw it in 1989.
After the job Christian Bale did in all three of his Batman movies, the 1989 movie seems seems silly at best now, if not outright stupid. |
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Posted: 8/1/2021 9:10:26 PM EST
[#50]
After seeing it in the theater, I thought it was clown shoes.
It excelled at being an iconic 80s Batman portrayal, I admit that. |
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