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He goes into the mechanism/chemistry of the new pfizer drug and ivermectin and tries to put it in laymens terms. New Pfizer drug and ivermectin Both are 3CL protease inhibitors - stops part of the viral action. Apparently IVM also messes with the spike protein and the surface the spike protein tries to bind into, and other parts, total six, he says, whereas the new drug from pfizer only does the one - which is easier for the virus to get around than having to mutate all six at once. |
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Originally Posted By Mach: I spent a bunch of time researching the meaning of prefusion stabilized. Prefusion is the state of the proteins before cell attachment. Fusion is when the proteins attach to the cell wall and change their protein structure to open the cell wall to allow the viral genome into the cell. Prefusion stabilized is a change in the protein structure so the spike protein can not attach and fuse with the cell wall. It is stabilized in the prefusion form and can not change. It does result in a stronger immune response but that is because if were to fuse, lacking the other parts of the viral proteins, there would be antibodies developed that could not attack in the prefusion state. So all the antibodies made due to the vax are AB that attack the prefusion spike. https://cen.acs.org/pharmaceuticals/vaccines/tiny-tweak-behind-COVID-19/98/i38 While the spikes are fundamentally the same as the virus spikes as far as antibodies are concerned, they are not exactly the same and dont have the same functional capabilities. whether that matters in this case I dont know. There needs to be a study Originally Posted By Mach: Originally Posted By exDefensorMilitas: Originally Posted By Mach: Originally Posted By BlackTuono: We have a new paper to digest: https://www.mdpi.com/1999-4915/13/10/2056/htm From the journal Viruses. Synopsis - in vitro experiments have confirmed that spike proteins 1) concentrate around the nucleus in a cell 2) interfere with BRCA1 and other natural DNA repair mechanisms including 3) V(D)J recombination which is is an essential part of B and T cell development and building adaptive immunity (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V) This gives a putative mechanism for two anecdotal claims that have been circulating, mainly that T cells (CD4+ and CD8 in particular) get incredibly low for some people after the second and subsequent doses, and that cancer cell activity is heightened because of the lack of immune response. In this case it isn't just the response of immune cells that is being moderated but the intracellular action to repair DNA. In case you didn't know, you all have cancer inside of you, pretty much guaranteed at any given time. Cells proliferate and encounter DNA replication errors when they split, leading to cancer eventually. Our bodies employ mechanisms to repair nicked or miscopied DNA at an intracellular level constantly. Showing that T cells can be affected is one thing, but the disruption of such a fundamental biochemical repair process is alarming when you consider we are instructing cells to churn out the spike protein itself. The authors make this point in their conclusions and propose it as a putative mechanism for some of the shot-related side effects being observed. Are we going to see a lot more cancer and AIDS-like symptoms? Hopefully not in most cases, but some people are going to get unlucky and have this effect them chronically, especially if we enter a regime where regular boosters become the norm. except the study had nothing to do with vaccine spike proteins and only virus spike proteins and it was done in vitro which means out side the body, like in a test tube. I think it is a massive jump to say if the viral spikes do something then the vaccine spikes will do it, because they are not the same. the vaccine spikes are -pre-fusion stabilized by changes in the structure. They are designed so that they can not attach to a cell. I am not saying they don't do the same thing, I am saying just because the viral spike does something doesn't mean the vax spike does it. There needs to be a follow on study with the vax spikes to know. And just because it happens in a test tube, doesn't mean in happens in a human body You do realize that in order for the spike proteins that are produced by the body after vaccination to even be worth using as a form of vaccination, the proteins produced have to be fundamentally the same as the spike protein that is on the surface of SARS-CoV-2, right? Actually, it's not fundamentally the same, it is the S protein from SARS-CoV-2 that your body produces.(ok, ok, there are changes that make your cells react stronger than they otherwise would to an S protein on SARS-CoV-2) That's the entire point of the vaccines, to prepare your body to combat the S protein. Well, the mRNA based vaccines anyways. This "the vaccine spikes are -pre-fusion stabilized by changes in the structure" is not about "They are designed so that they can not attach to a cell." The stabilization is to increase how much your body reacts to the spike protein that is produced by the mRNA. And the most effective ways to produce large amounts of viral proteins is...what viruses do, hijack the internal mechanisms of the cell to produce viral proteins. This is why the mRNA vaccines do the exact same thing. I spent a bunch of time researching the meaning of prefusion stabilized. Prefusion is the state of the proteins before cell attachment. Fusion is when the proteins attach to the cell wall and change their protein structure to open the cell wall to allow the viral genome into the cell. Prefusion stabilized is a change in the protein structure so the spike protein can not attach and fuse with the cell wall. It is stabilized in the prefusion form and can not change. It does result in a stronger immune response but that is because if were to fuse, lacking the other parts of the viral proteins, there would be antibodies developed that could not attack in the prefusion state. So all the antibodies made due to the vax are AB that attack the prefusion spike. https://cen.acs.org/pharmaceuticals/vaccines/tiny-tweak-behind-COVID-19/98/i38 While the spikes are fundamentally the same as the virus spikes as far as antibodies are concerned, they are not exactly the same and dont have the same functional capabilities. whether that matters in this case I dont know. There needs to be a study The paper isn't discussing a fully assembled spike protein's external action, the paper is investigating the effects of the various sub unit viral proteins before assembly and after assembly. 2P mutation or not, every spike protein goes through the same sub unit creation and assembly process. |
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I started another thread about my wife getting Covid because this thread seemed to evolve beyond the day to day stuff but my life the past 3 days has been all about this thread. So I'm going to post it here in case the past posters find it interesting. Both my wife and I are double vaxxed (Pfizer) from back in March, 50's, on the higher risk side of things. Tuesday: my wife had a barely noticeable cough but otherwise fine. Wed Morning: Noticeable flemmy cough. Thought it was allergies or something. Went to work. Wed Night: Heavy cough and felt like shit but no fever and had smell/taste. Took rapid test: positive. Thursday Morning: no taste or smell. Slight fever (low 99's) (typically she's below 98 with the thermometer we have) Thursday night: She has felt like crap all day with aches and chills and cough and weak as hell but able to eat and drink as much as normal. She called her doctor around noontime just to see what the current protocol is and her Doc immediately prescribed my wife steroids, antibiotics and guaifenesin with codeine because she's prone to bronchial infections. I'm giving her doctor two thumbs up for not messing around. I picked those prescriptions up for her tonight and as I was reading the labels I thought "Oh yeah! We all talked about this exact stuff right here back in mid-2020!" I even bought it all from India when I was worried it might not be available in the US after medical supplies were getting low. We've divided the house. She's upstairs and I'm downstairs and we mask up if we have to cross our zones. I think I'm fine. Just the normal over 50 crap so far. I do have a headache occasionally and I never get headaches. I took Ivermectin as soon as she tested positive. She won't take it though. Calls it "dog medicine". I had gotten lazy and other than daily VitaminD I had stopped following the I-Mask protocol. I'm back on it now though. I figured if we got it, it would be mild like it was with two friends of mine. oops. So just a reminder not to pack away all your covid shit yet. You might need it suddenly. |
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Originally Posted By liberals-R-retarded: I started another thread about my wife getting Covid because this thread seemed to evolve beyond the day to day stuff but my life the past 3 days has been all about this thread. So I'm going to post it here in case the past posters find it interesting. Both my wife and I are double vaxxed (Pfizer) from back in March, 50's, on the higher risk side of things. Tuesday: my wife had a barely noticeable cough but otherwise fine. Wed Morning: Noticeable flemmy cough. Thought it was allergies or something. Went to work. Wed Night: Heavy cough and felt like shit but no fever and had smell/taste. Took rapid test: positive. Thursday Morning: no taste or smell. Slight fever (low 99's) (typically she's below 98 with the thermometer we have) Thursday night: She has felt like crap all day with aches and chills and cough and weak as hell but able to eat and drink as much as normal. She called her doctor around noontime just to see what the current protocol is and her Doc immediately prescribed my wife steroids, antibiotics and guaifenesin with codeine because she's prone to bronchial infections. I'm giving her doctor two thumbs up for not messing around. I picked those prescriptions up for her tonight and as I was reading the labels I thought "Oh yeah! We all talked about this exact stuff right here back in mid-2020!" I even bought it all from India when I was worried it might not be available in the US after medical supplies were getting low. We've divided the house. She's upstairs and I'm downstairs and we mask up if we have to cross our zones. I think I'm fine. Just the normal over 50 crap so far. I do have a headache occasionally and I never get headaches. I took Ivermectin as soon as she tested positive. She won't take it though. Calls it "dog medicine". I had gotten lazy and other than daily VitaminD I had stopped following the I-Mask protocol. I'm back on it now though. I figured if we got it, it would be mild like it was with two friends of mine. oops. So just a reminder not to pack away all your covid shit yet. You might need it suddenly. Glad everything is (so far) working out for you and your wife. This is the original thread that has no doubt helped hundreds of Arfcomers and probably indirectly helped thousands of folks over the last 20 months or so. |
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Originally Posted By liberals-R-retarded: I started another thread about my wife getting Covid because this thread seemed to evolve beyond the day to day stuff but my life the past 3 days has been all about this thread. So I'm going to post it here in case the past posters find it interesting. Both my wife and I are double vaxxed (Pfizer) from back in March, 50's, on the higher risk side of things. Tuesday: my wife had a barely noticeable cough but otherwise fine. Wed Morning: Noticeable flemmy cough. Thought it was allergies or something. Went to work. Wed Night: Heavy cough and felt like shit but no fever and had smell/taste. Took rapid test: positive. Thursday Morning: no taste or smell. Slight fever (low 99's) (typically she's below 98 with the thermometer we have) Thursday night: She has felt like crap all day with aches and chills and cough and weak as hell but able to eat and drink as much as normal. She called her doctor around noontime just to see what the current protocol is and her Doc immediately prescribed my wife steroids, antibiotics and guaifenesin with codeine because she's prone to bronchial infections. I'm giving her doctor two thumbs up for not messing around. I picked those prescriptions up for her tonight and as I was reading the labels I thought "Oh yeah! We all talked about this exact stuff right here back in mid-2020!" I even bought it all from India when I was worried it might not be available in the US after medical supplies were getting low. We've divided the house. She's upstairs and I'm downstairs and we mask up if we have to cross our zones. I think I'm fine. Just the normal over 50 crap so far. I do have a headache occasionally and I never get headaches. I took Ivermectin as soon as she tested positive. She won't take it though. Calls it "dog medicine". I had gotten lazy and other than daily VitaminD I had stopped following the I-Mask protocol. I'm back on it now though. I figured if we got it, it would be mild like it was with two friends of mine. oops. So just a reminder not to pack away all your covid shit yet. You might need it suddenly. Thanks for the update. I hope your wife starts feeling better soon. All my COVID stuff is still in a big box in the closet. Somehow I just keep putting more stuff in it. I should check expiration dates soon. And I like seeing day to day stuff here, especially from the 2020 crowd |
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Originally Posted By liberals-R-retarded: I started another thread about my wife getting Covid because this thread seemed to evolve beyond the day to day stuff but my life the past 3 days has been all about this thread. So I'm going to post it here in case the past posters find it interesting. Both my wife and I are double vaxxed (Pfizer) from back in March, 50's, on the higher risk side of things. Tuesday: my wife had a barely noticeable cough but otherwise fine. Wed Morning: Noticeable flemmy cough. Thought it was allergies or something. Went to work. Wed Night: Heavy cough and felt like shit but no fever and had smell/taste. Took rapid test: positive. Thursday Morning: no taste or smell. Slight fever (low 99's) (typically she's below 98 with the thermometer we have) Thursday night: She has felt like crap all day with aches and chills and cough and weak as hell but able to eat and drink as much as normal. She called her doctor around noontime just to see what the current protocol is and her Doc immediately prescribed my wife steroids, antibiotics and guaifenesin with codeine because she's prone to bronchial infections. I'm giving her doctor two thumbs up for not messing around. I picked those prescriptions up for her tonight and as I was reading the labels I thought "Oh yeah! We all talked about this exact stuff right here back in mid-2020!" I even bought it all from India when I was worried it might not be available in the US after medical supplies were getting low. We've divided the house. She's upstairs and I'm downstairs and we mask up if we have to cross our zones. I think I'm fine. Just the normal over 50 crap so far. I do have a headache occasionally and I never get headaches. I took Ivermectin as soon as she tested positive. She won't take it though. Calls it "dog medicine". I had gotten lazy and other than daily VitaminD I had stopped following the I-Mask protocol. I'm back on it now though. I figured if we got it, it would be mild like it was with two friends of mine. oops. So just a reminder not to pack away all your covid * yet. You might need it suddenly. "Dog medicine" ... hadn't heard that one yet. Hopefully it goes well for you two. Irony: I just picked up one of those water-filter fuel funnels the other day - life is funny like that. |
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Originally Posted By Obelix45: And I like seeing day to day stuff here, especially from the 2020 crowd We need to have a post-COVID barbecue if and when this ever ends. |
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: "Dog medicine" ... hadn't heard that one yet. Hopefully it goes well for you two. Irony: I just picked up one of those water-filter fuel funnels the other day - life is funny like that. Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By liberals-R-retarded: I started another thread about my wife getting Covid because this thread seemed to evolve beyond the day to day stuff but my life the past 3 days has been all about this thread. So I'm going to post it here in case the past posters find it interesting. Both my wife and I are double vaxxed (Pfizer) from back in March, 50's, on the higher risk side of things. Tuesday: my wife had a barely noticeable cough but otherwise fine. Wed Morning: Noticeable flemmy cough. Thought it was allergies or something. Went to work. Wed Night: Heavy cough and felt like shit but no fever and had smell/taste. Took rapid test: positive. Thursday Morning: no taste or smell. Slight fever (low 99's) (typically she's below 98 with the thermometer we have) Thursday night: She has felt like crap all day with aches and chills and cough and weak as hell but able to eat and drink as much as normal. She called her doctor around noontime just to see what the current protocol is and her Doc immediately prescribed my wife steroids, antibiotics and guaifenesin with codeine because she's prone to bronchial infections. I'm giving her doctor two thumbs up for not messing around. I picked those prescriptions up for her tonight and as I was reading the labels I thought "Oh yeah! We all talked about this exact stuff right here back in mid-2020!" I even bought it all from India when I was worried it might not be available in the US after medical supplies were getting low. We've divided the house. She's upstairs and I'm downstairs and we mask up if we have to cross our zones. I think I'm fine. Just the normal over 50 crap so far. I do have a headache occasionally and I never get headaches. I took Ivermectin as soon as she tested positive. She won't take it though. Calls it "dog medicine". I had gotten lazy and other than daily VitaminD I had stopped following the I-Mask protocol. I'm back on it now though. I figured if we got it, it would be mild like it was with two friends of mine. oops. So just a reminder not to pack away all your covid * yet. You might need it suddenly. "Dog medicine" ... hadn't heard that one yet. Hopefully it goes well for you two. Irony: I just picked up one of those water-filter fuel funnels the other day - life is funny like that. Well, technically it IS used as the antiparasitic dog medication in HeartGard. If your dog is allergic to Pyrantel, then you'll want to make sure you get the regular Heartgard and NOT Heartgard Plus. IIRC, they made them in different dosages for small dogs or large dogs. It was just a lot cheaper to get a bottle of Agrimectin and dose a piece of sausage or bread and feed it to the dogs, especially if you had multiple dogs. One bottle would treat a whole pack of dogs for the year and cost the same as one package of Heartgard for treating one dog for 6-12 months. |
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Thank you all. I think my wife is doing better. She's had every covid symptom I think, including conjunctivitis. On Friday her doctor said that there was a cancellation for a monoclonal infusion at a nearby hospital and if she could get there in an hour it was hers. We made it. So if after all that and she's not going to be ok then I don't know what to say. She's not a good example though. Like I said, she has health factors that make getting even a bad cold risky. I took three, 24mg doses of Ivermectin every 48 hours from the time she tested positive. No symptoms. I wanted to take a covid test the other day to see if I even have it but all the places in my area are sold out. |
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Originally Posted By liberals-R-retarded: Thank you all. I think my wife is doing better. She's had every covid symptom I think, including conjunctivitis. On Friday her doctor said that there was a cancellation for a monoclonal infusion at a nearby hospital and if she could get there in an hour it was hers. We made it. So if after all that and she's not going to be ok then I don't know what to say. She's not a good example though. Like I said, she has health factors that make getting even a bad cold risky. I took three, 24mg doses of Ivermectin every 48 hours from the time she tested positive. No symptoms. I wanted to take a covid test the other day to see if I even have it but all the places in my area are sold out. I am glad to hear your wife got the infusion. I wish they would push that more than the leaky vaccine that isn't stopping the bug. |
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Originally Posted By liberals-R-retarded: Thank you all. I think my wife is doing better. She's had every covid symptom I think, including conjunctivitis. On Friday her doctor said that there was a cancellation for a monoclonal infusion at a nearby hospital and if she could get there in an hour it was hers. We made it. So if after all that and she's not going to be ok then I don't know what to say. She's not a good example though. Like I said, she has health factors that make getting even a bad cold risky. I took three, 24mg doses of Ivermectin every 48 hours from the time she tested positive. No symptoms. I wanted to take a covid test the other day to see if I even have it but all the places in my area are sold out. Be really carefull with the self treated Ivermectin. I know I will be railed on this website but that shit is really dangerous. My sister who works in ICU currently has two patients who are almost brain dead because the idiots self dosed on it and it passed the blood brain barrier and screwed up their brains. There are better treatments for COVID even if you get it then to risk the Ivermectin. |
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Originally Posted By liberals-R-retarded: Thank you all. I think my wife is doing better. She's had every covid symptom I think, including conjunctivitis. On Friday her doctor said that there was a cancellation for a monoclonal infusion at a nearby hospital and if she could get there in an hour it was hers. We made it. So if after all that and she's not going to be ok then I don't know what to say. She's not a good example though. Like I said, she has health factors that make getting even a bad cold risky. I took three, 24mg doses of Ivermectin every 48 hours from the time she tested positive. No symptoms. I wanted to take a covid test the other day to see if I even have it but all the places in my area are sold out. Great news! 
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Originally Posted By Dace: Be really carefull with the self treated Ivermectin. I know I will be railed on this website but that shit is really dangerous. My sister who works in ICU currently has two patients who are almost brain dead because the idiots self dosed on it and it passed the blood brain barrier and screwed up their brains. There are better treatments for COVID even if you get it then to risk the Ivermectin. Originally Posted By Dace: Originally Posted By liberals-R-retarded: Thank you all. I think my wife is doing better. She's had every covid symptom I think, including conjunctivitis. On Friday her doctor said that there was a cancellation for a monoclonal infusion at a nearby hospital and if she could get there in an hour it was hers. We made it. So if after all that and she's not going to be ok then I don't know what to say. She's not a good example though. Like I said, she has health factors that make getting even a bad cold risky. I took three, 24mg doses of Ivermectin every 48 hours from the time she tested positive. No symptoms. I wanted to take a covid test the other day to see if I even have it but all the places in my area are sold out. Be really carefull with the self treated Ivermectin. I know I will be railed on this website but that shit is really dangerous. My sister who works in ICU currently has two patients who are almost brain dead because the idiots self dosed on it and it passed the blood brain barrier and screwed up their brains. There are better treatments for COVID even if you get it then to risk the Ivermectin. Any details on the dosage they took? I was initially concerned about the high doses recommended for treatment, but I found plenty of pre-2020 scientific studies showing that high doses (in the range recommended in I-MASK+) are safe. |
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Originally Posted By Obelix45: Any details on the dosage they took? I was initially concerned about the high doses recommended for treatment, but I found plenty of pre-2020 scientific studies showing that high doses (in the range recommended in I-MASK+) are safe. Originally Posted By Obelix45: Originally Posted By Dace: Originally Posted By liberals-R-retarded: Thank you all. I think my wife is doing better. She's had every covid symptom I think, including conjunctivitis. On Friday her doctor said that there was a cancellation for a monoclonal infusion at a nearby hospital and if she could get there in an hour it was hers. We made it. So if after all that and she's not going to be ok then I don't know what to say. She's not a good example though. Like I said, she has health factors that make getting even a bad cold risky. I took three, 24mg doses of Ivermectin every 48 hours from the time she tested positive. No symptoms. I wanted to take a covid test the other day to see if I even have it but all the places in my area are sold out. Be really carefull with the self treated Ivermectin. I know I will be railed on this website but that shit is really dangerous. My sister who works in ICU currently has two patients who are almost brain dead because the idiots self dosed on it and it passed the blood brain barrier and screwed up their brains. There are better treatments for COVID even if you get it then to risk the Ivermectin. Any details on the dosage they took? I was initially concerned about the high doses recommended for treatment, but I found plenty of pre-2020 scientific studies showing that high doses (in the range recommended in I-MASK+) are safe. I don't. We were talking about my COVID which I currently have and she mentioned the two people when I brought it up. She never mentioned doses. |
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Originally Posted By liberals-R-retarded: I took three, 24mg doses of Ivermectin every 48 hours from the time she tested positive. Oops! That reads wrong I think. Every other day I took a 24mg dose of Ivermectin. 
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My brother's college step son that lives with him tested positive and has symptoms last Thursday. Got it at school. He is vaxed. My brother now has symptoms and tested positive, he got it from his symptomatic vaxed stepson. My brother should be getting monoclonal antibodies today. My brother is also vaxed |
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Originally Posted By Mach: My brother's college step son that lives with him tested positive and has symptoms last Thursday. Got it at school. He is vaxed. My brother now has symptoms and tested positive, he got it from his symptomatic vaxed stepson. My brother should be getting monoclonal antibodies today. My brother is also vaxed Since my wife got it I'm hearing more and more of these stories. |
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Originally Posted By Mach: My brother's college step son that lives with him tested positive and has symptoms last Thursday. Got it at school. He is vaxed. My brother now has symptoms and tested positive, he got it from his symptomatic vaxed stepson. My brother should be getting monoclonal antibodies today. My brother is also vaxed Wow. Two "rare" break through cases in a single family! What are the odds?  Hope they're both okay. Any serious health issues to suggest they won't be? Even though at this point I'm not even convinced that what we've been told about comorbidities is completely accurate, either. I've seen enough examples of healthy people dying while their obese asthmatic cancer-patient spouse with diabetes and heart disease just gets the sniffles, that I think there's something else going on that they either don't understand, or don't want to talk about. |
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Originally Posted By Mach: My brother's college step son that lives with him tested positive and has symptoms last Thursday. Got it at school. He is vaxed. My brother now has symptoms and tested positive, he got it from his symptomatic vaxed stepson. My brother should be getting monoclonal antibodies today. My brother is also vaxed I have it right now and am vaxxed. I have a bunch of comorbidities like an auto immune disease that messes with my lungs. One of my kids also has it but she is unvaxxed. I thought it was just a head cold but had to get tested for a surgery and turned out I was positive. So we tested the whole family. Its weird how this is supposedly so contagious yet only a couple of people under the same roof have it. I got the monocolonol antibodies yesterday. |
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Originally Posted By Dace: Be really carefull with the self treated Ivermectin. I know I will be railed on this website but that shit is really dangerous. My sister who works in ICU currently has two patients who are almost brain dead because the idiots self dosed on it and it passed the blood brain barrier and screwed up their brains. There are better treatments for COVID even if you get it then to risk the Ivermectin. Originally Posted By Dace: Originally Posted By liberals-R-retarded: Thank you all. I think my wife is doing better. She's had every covid symptom I think, including conjunctivitis. On Friday her doctor said that there was a cancellation for a monoclonal infusion at a nearby hospital and if she could get there in an hour it was hers. We made it. So if after all that and she's not going to be ok then I don't know what to say. She's not a good example though. Like I said, she has health factors that make getting even a bad cold risky. I took three, 24mg doses of Ivermectin every 48 hours from the time she tested positive. No symptoms. I wanted to take a covid test the other day to see if I even have it but all the places in my area are sold out. Be really carefull with the self treated Ivermectin. I know I will be railed on this website but that shit is really dangerous. My sister who works in ICU currently has two patients who are almost brain dead because the idiots self dosed on it and it passed the blood brain barrier and screwed up their brains. There are better treatments for COVID even if you get it then to risk the Ivermectin. Thanks! |
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Originally Posted By Gunner226: Wow. Two "rare" break through cases in a single family! What are the odds? Hope they're both okay. Any serious health issues to suggest they won't be? Even though at this point I'm not even convinced that what we've been told about comorbidities is completely accurate, either. I've seen enough examples of healthy people dying while their obese asthmatic cancer-patient spouse with diabetes and heart disease just gets the sniffles, that I think there's something else going on that they either don't understand, or don't want to talk about. Originally Posted By Gunner226: Originally Posted By Mach: My brother's college step son that lives with him tested positive and has symptoms last Thursday. Got it at school. He is vaxed. My brother now has symptoms and tested positive, he got it from his symptomatic vaxed stepson. My brother should be getting monoclonal antibodies today. My brother is also vaxed Wow. Two "rare" break through cases in a single family! What are the odds? Hope they're both okay. Any serious health issues to suggest they won't be? Even though at this point I'm not even convinced that what we've been told about comorbidities is completely accurate, either. I've seen enough examples of healthy people dying while their obese asthmatic cancer-patient spouse with diabetes and heart disease just gets the sniffles, that I think there's something else going on that they either don't understand, or don't want to talk about. I put it likely there is a genetic component. And I don't think the government wants to admit it. |
I have a feeling we will be seeing more of this over the winter, between nurses and physicians. Things already stretched will get worse.
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Originally Posted By Gunner226: Wow. Two "rare" break through cases in a single family! What are the odds? Hope they're both okay. Any serious health issues to suggest they won't be? Even though at this point I'm not even convinced that what we've been told about comorbidities is completely accurate, either. I've seen enough examples of healthy people dying while their obese asthmatic cancer-patient spouse with diabetes and heart disease just gets the sniffles, that I think there's something else going on that they either don't understand, or don't want to talk about. Originally Posted By Gunner226: Originally Posted By Mach: My brother's college step son that lives with him tested positive and has symptoms last Thursday. Got it at school. He is vaxed. My brother now has symptoms and tested positive, he got it from his symptomatic vaxed stepson. My brother should be getting monoclonal antibodies today. My brother is also vaxed Wow. Two "rare" break through cases in a single family! What are the odds? Hope they're both okay. Any serious health issues to suggest they won't be? Even though at this point I'm not even convinced that what we've been told about comorbidities is completely accurate, either. I've seen enough examples of healthy people dying while their obese asthmatic cancer-patient spouse with diabetes and heart disease just gets the sniffles, that I think there's something else going on that they either don't understand, or don't want to talk about. My brother has some health issues which is why he is getting the monoclonal antibodies right away. There is a lot we have not been told and have been lied to about this since day 1. I think the govt knows it was an engineered human pathogen and likely has either a genetic susceptibility component, ADE, or has a component of Original Antigenic Sin that the govt has known about since day 1. ADE was known for SRA-1 and MERS Original Antigenic Sin is known for Infuenza and Dengue Fever ADE is when non-sterilizing anti-bodies actually aid the virus in infecting cells. Original Antigenic Sin is when the immune systems mounts a defense against a pathogen and then when it sees a similar but different pathogen it uses the immune memory to mount the old defense against the new pathogen and it is ineffective, like a major mutation or similiar virus say from another corona virus instead of mounting a new defense against COVID virus, instead uses the memory it has to mount the old defense from a previous coronavirus against the new COVID virus but it is ineffective and results in severe disease. |
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Originally Posted By Mach: My brother's college step son that lives with him tested positive and has symptoms last Thursday. Got it at school. He is vaxed. My brother now has symptoms and tested positive, he got it from his symptomatic vaxed stepson. My brother should be getting monoclonal antibodies today. My brother is also vaxed Mach, correct me if I'm wrong but you're not vaxxed right? Is it because of concerns regarding ADE? I keep remembering your recent posts about ADE and wonder if that's going to be the next thing to be a big deal. |
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Originally Posted By liberals-R-retarded: Mach, correct me if I'm wrong but you're not vaxxed right? Is it because of concerns regarding ADE? I keep remembering your recent posts about ADE and wonder if that's going to be the next thing to be a big deal. Originally Posted By liberals-R-retarded: Originally Posted By Mach: My brother's college step son that lives with him tested positive and has symptoms last Thursday. Got it at school. He is vaxed. My brother now has symptoms and tested positive, he got it from his symptomatic vaxed stepson. My brother should be getting monoclonal antibodies today. My brother is also vaxed Mach, correct me if I'm wrong but you're not vaxxed right? Is it because of concerns regarding ADE? I keep remembering your recent posts about ADE and wonder if that's going to be the next thing to be a big deal. I am vaxed. I did it willingly ( but reluctantly ) long before mandates. I was faced with a serious health condition that needed brain surgery ( large pituitary tumor compressing my optic nerves and was 50% cyst ( fluid that could burst and cause stroke )) that I could not reasonably put off without risking a possible stroke or loss of vision. It was in a very large city very large main city hospital in the middle of a covid surge. So I weighed my particular circumstances risks and rewards and deemed it likely to be best for me to get vaxed. I also weighed that I have some type of muscular / neurological condition that at the time had an unknown cause, which is why they did the brain MRI that found the tumor. I still have the muscular / neurological systemic condition that a doc at the top of his field of infectious neurology has decided I have either long haul covid from feb and mar 2020 when I was sick with a respiratory disease that burned my lungs and made me out of breath walking up stairs from the basement or getting out of bed but could not get tested for covid, or chronic lyme disease from a deer tick in my leg from trail jogging / walking trying to get my lung function back. He called it Post Viral Syndrome, which is like an expanded Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. System damage done by a pathogen that has no cure except maybe time. All I know is I went from perfectly healthy and active, not over weight 60 year old to fucked up in short order. It is coming up on 2 years of constant muscle and joint pain, constant painful muscle cramps, constant lack of sleep and major fatigue and most days I struggle to just get through the day. I thought I could get some bow hunting in and I did do a few days but haven't for over a month because I don't have the energy to walk 1/4 mile with my bow and sit on my ass for 4 hours. The fact that I am vaxed does not preclude me from recognizing the vax may have some unintended health consequences down the road, and I research that with the data I can find from what I deem to be credible sources on a regular basis. I generally stopped posting what i find though as I am tired of being called names and insulted and people either choose not to read what i post or they can't read what I post. I am not in good health, due to what ever I have and I have decided to stop posting what I find except in rare circumstances. I spend time on some hobbies now to keep my self busy. So yes I am vaxed, but I choose to be without any threats. I resent the mandates, any mandates ETA: the thing about ADE that really bothers me is the constant narrative that " the antibodies are waning" Those are key words. ADE has been shown to rear it's head when neutralizing antibodies wane. It is in the studies about SARS-1, MERS. and several other viral infections that have been extensively studied long before the pandemic started. Those are the words that made the hair on the back of my neck stand up because that is the condition that is needed before ADE can happen. |
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I'm sorry to hear all that. I wish you the best. Your attention and fairness made this the best thread I've even seen and I thank you for that. Sorry, I didn't mean anything when asking about the vax. I think that I had imagined you're concern about ADE was keeping you from being vaxxed and that made me ADE a much larger concern in my mind. It sounds horrible and was common with the MERS vaccine. |
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Originally Posted By Mach: I am vaxed. I did it willingly ( but reluctantly ) long before mandates. I was faced with a serious health condition that needed brain surgery ( large pituitary tumor compressing my optic nerves and was 50% cyst ( fluid that could burst and cause stroke )) that I could not reasonably put off without risking a possible stroke or loss of vision. It was in a very large city very large main city hospital in the middle of a covid surge. So I weighed my particular circumstances risks and rewards and deemed it likely to be best for me to get vaxed. I also weighed that I have some type of muscular / neurological condition that at the time had an unknown cause, which is why they did the brain MRI that found the tumor. I still have the muscular / neurological systemic condition that a doc at the top of his field of infectious neurology has decided I have either long haul covid from feb and mar 2020 when I was sick with a respiratory disease that burned my lungs and made me out of breath walking up stairs from the basement or getting out of bed but could not get tested for covid, or chronic lyme disease from a deer tick in my leg from trail jogging / walking trying to get my lung function back. He called it Post Viral Syndrome, which is like an expanded Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. System damage done by a pathogen that has no cure except maybe time. All I know is I went from perfectly healthy and active, not over weight 60 year old to fucked up in short order. It is coming up on 2 years of constant muscle and joint pain, constant painful muscle cramps, constant lack of sleep and major fatigue and most days I struggle to just get through the day. I thought I could get some bow hunting in and I did do a few days but haven't for over a month because I don't have the energy to walk 1/4 mile with my bow and sit on my ass for 4 hours. The fact that I am vaxed does not preclude me from recognizing the vax may have some unintended health consequences down the road, and I research that with the data I can find from what I deem to be credible sources on a regular basis. I generally stopped posting what i find though as I am tired of being called names and insulted and people either choose not to read what i post or they can't read what I post. I am not in good health, due to what ever I have and I have decided to stop posting what I find except in rare circumstances. I spend time on some hobbies now to keep my self busy. So yes I am vaxed, but I choose to be without any threats. I resent the mandates, any mandates ETA: the thing about ADE that really bothers me is the constant narrative that " the antibodies are waning" Those are key words. ADE has been shown to rear it's head when neutralizing antibodies wane. It is in the studies about SARS-1, MERS. and several other viral infections that have been extensively studied long before the pandemic started. Those are the words that made the hair on the back of my neck stand up because that is the condition that is needed before ADE can happen. Originally Posted By Mach: Originally Posted By liberals-R-retarded: Originally Posted By Mach: My brother's college step son that lives with him tested positive and has symptoms last Thursday. Got it at school. He is vaxed. My brother now has symptoms and tested positive, he got it from his symptomatic vaxed stepson. My brother should be getting monoclonal antibodies today. My brother is also vaxed Mach, correct me if I'm wrong but you're not vaxxed right? Is it because of concerns regarding ADE? I keep remembering your recent posts about ADE and wonder if that's going to be the next thing to be a big deal. I am vaxed. I did it willingly ( but reluctantly ) long before mandates. I was faced with a serious health condition that needed brain surgery ( large pituitary tumor compressing my optic nerves and was 50% cyst ( fluid that could burst and cause stroke )) that I could not reasonably put off without risking a possible stroke or loss of vision. It was in a very large city very large main city hospital in the middle of a covid surge. So I weighed my particular circumstances risks and rewards and deemed it likely to be best for me to get vaxed. I also weighed that I have some type of muscular / neurological condition that at the time had an unknown cause, which is why they did the brain MRI that found the tumor. I still have the muscular / neurological systemic condition that a doc at the top of his field of infectious neurology has decided I have either long haul covid from feb and mar 2020 when I was sick with a respiratory disease that burned my lungs and made me out of breath walking up stairs from the basement or getting out of bed but could not get tested for covid, or chronic lyme disease from a deer tick in my leg from trail jogging / walking trying to get my lung function back. He called it Post Viral Syndrome, which is like an expanded Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. System damage done by a pathogen that has no cure except maybe time. All I know is I went from perfectly healthy and active, not over weight 60 year old to fucked up in short order. It is coming up on 2 years of constant muscle and joint pain, constant painful muscle cramps, constant lack of sleep and major fatigue and most days I struggle to just get through the day. I thought I could get some bow hunting in and I did do a few days but haven't for over a month because I don't have the energy to walk 1/4 mile with my bow and sit on my ass for 4 hours. The fact that I am vaxed does not preclude me from recognizing the vax may have some unintended health consequences down the road, and I research that with the data I can find from what I deem to be credible sources on a regular basis. I generally stopped posting what i find though as I am tired of being called names and insulted and people either choose not to read what i post or they can't read what I post. I am not in good health, due to what ever I have and I have decided to stop posting what I find except in rare circumstances. I spend time on some hobbies now to keep my self busy. So yes I am vaxed, but I choose to be without any threats. I resent the mandates, any mandates ETA: the thing about ADE that really bothers me is the constant narrative that " the antibodies are waning" Those are key words. ADE has been shown to rear it's head when neutralizing antibodies wane. It is in the studies about SARS-1, MERS. and several other viral infections that have been extensively studied long before the pandemic started. Those are the words that made the hair on the back of my neck stand up because that is the condition that is needed before ADE can happen. You bring a level of sanity to the discussions and I do appreciate your information. The bolded are where we all should be in a sane world. |
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Originally Posted By exponentialpi: I have a feeling we will be seeing more of this over the winter, between nurses and physicians. Things already stretched will get worse.
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Ok. So this is legit tin-foil hat stuff, and I dunno if it's true or not, if it's remotely believable, etc. Take with about a 40lb bag of salt, cause this is just speculation from an uninformed knucklehead. Just on the last page here: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/BREAKING-China-quarantines-Wuhan-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/199-2493274/?page=2498#i95649878 I posted a paper that said people were observing that one/some of the individual CCPcrud proteins were damaging the endothelial walls of blood vessels very badly. Ran across this off a link from one of the right-leaning news aggregators: https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2021/11/04/the-enduring-mystery-of-heart-disease-the-clot-thickens/ For example. It is widely known, and accepted, that the single most common ‘final’ event in cardiovascular disease is the formation of a large blood clot – almost inevitably on top of an existing plaque. This can fully block an artery, leading to downstream mayhem. It is also widely accepted that thrombus formation, on top of an already existing plaque, can make plaques suddenly jump in size. Here, for example, is a passage from a paper in the journal Atherosclerosis. This is about as mainstream a publication as you can get in cardiovascular disease research. The paper was called: ‘The role of plaque rupture and thrombosis in coronary artery disease.’ ‘In addition, plaque rupture and subsequent healing is recognized to be a major cause of further rapid plaque progression.’ 4 I could find a million quotes confirming this mechanism, without even breaking sweat. In short, it is not remotely controversial to say that blood clots represent the final event, the thing that kills you. Nor is it controversial to say that plaques grow through the deposition of a new clot on top of an existing plaque. I would get very little argument from any cardiologist about this sequence of events. I know, I have had many such discussions. But what is not accepted, will simply not be accepted, is that the arrival of a blood clot on the ‘healthy’ arterial wall is what initiates atherosclerotic plaque formation. Instead, it is almost universally accepted that it is LDL that does this, and LDL alone. Therefore, current conventional wisdom is that we have a three-step process: The plaque starts – due to LDL leaking through the artery wall The plaque grows – due to deposition of new blood clots on top of the existing plaque (which has become a point of clotting vulnerability) A ‘final’ obstructive blood clot forms on the already grown plaque, causing a heart attack, or stroke – due to a blood clot In one way, all I have done in this book is to make it clear that, yes, we do have a three-stage process. However, low-density lipoprotein plays no part in it. It is entirely driven by blood clots, from start to finish. Which means that the first step is not: The plaque starts – due to LDL leaking through the artery wall The first step is that: The plaque starts, due to endothelial damage, and resultant clot formation (creating the ‘focus’ for further plaque growth) So basically - there's some damage to the endothelial walls (blood vessel walls) that allow something to get lodged in there and you get a plaque build up. Under either scenario listed here - the putatively mainstream scenario or what this guy proposes - your blood vessels/veins get messed up and something slips into the wall and a plaque starts to build up off that. Well, if the CCPcrud has a protein that can mess up the endothelial walls (curb your tin foil a bit - they didn't find the spike protein doing this that I've seen, it was another of the proteins), and endothelial damage is the precursor for plaque buildups - Possible huge jump in plaques leading to a massive number of heart attacks in the coming years?!?!?!? Did I mention the CCP and fauci and the medical establishment need justice for GOF?  ----- Thus ends completely uninformed speculation from someone who is so far out of his wheelhouse on the topic it's not funny. |
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Originally Posted By exponentialpi: I put it likely there is a genetic component. And I don't think the government wants to admit it. Admitting it, along with admitting it was made in a lab, would mean that the goal was likely to create a bioweapon that targeted a specific race. Pile that on top of all the racial guilt stuff that the left has been promoting, and the odds of people wanting blood (from multiple sources) goes up very quickly. |
Earthsheltered house - a reinforced bunker that even the treehuggers consider to be socially acceptable.
Earthbag house - like an earthsheltered house, but cheaper and easier to DIY.
Earthbag house - like an earthsheltered house, but cheaper and easier to DIY.
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Ok. So this is legit tin-foil hat stuff, and I dunno if it's true or not, if it's remotely believable, etc. Take with about a 40lb bag of salt, cause this is just speculation from an uninformed knucklehead. Just on the last page here: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/BREAKING-China-quarantines-Wuhan-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/199-2493274/?page=2498#i95649878 I posted a paper that said people were observing that one/some of the individual CCPcrud proteins were damaging the endothelial walls of blood vessels very badly. Ran across this off a link from one of the right-leaning news aggregators: https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2021/11/04/the-enduring-mystery-of-heart-disease-the-clot-thickens/ For example. It is widely known, and accepted, that the single most common ‘final’ event in cardiovascular disease is the formation of a large blood clot – almost inevitably on top of an existing plaque. This can fully block an artery, leading to downstream mayhem. It is also widely accepted that thrombus formation, on top of an already existing plaque, can make plaques suddenly jump in size. Here, for example, is a passage from a paper in the journal Atherosclerosis. This is about as mainstream a publication as you can get in cardiovascular disease research. The paper was called: ‘The role of plaque rupture and thrombosis in coronary artery disease.’ ‘In addition, plaque rupture and subsequent healing is recognized to be a major cause of further rapid plaque progression.’ 4 I could find a million quotes confirming this mechanism, without even breaking sweat. In short, it is not remotely controversial to say that blood clots represent the final event, the thing that kills you. Nor is it controversial to say that plaques grow through the deposition of a new clot on top of an existing plaque. I would get very little argument from any cardiologist about this sequence of events. I know, I have had many such discussions. But what is not accepted, will simply not be accepted, is that the arrival of a blood clot on the ‘healthy’ arterial wall is what initiates atherosclerotic plaque formation. Instead, it is almost universally accepted that it is LDL that does this, and LDL alone. Therefore, current conventional wisdom is that we have a three-step process: The plaque starts – due to LDL leaking through the artery wall The plaque grows – due to deposition of new blood clots on top of the existing plaque (which has become a point of clotting vulnerability) A ‘final’ obstructive blood clot forms on the already grown plaque, causing a heart attack, or stroke – due to a blood clot In one way, all I have done in this book is to make it clear that, yes, we do have a three-stage process. However, low-density lipoprotein plays no part in it. It is entirely driven by blood clots, from start to finish. Which means that the first step is not: The plaque starts – due to LDL leaking through the artery wall The first step is that: The plaque starts, due to endothelial damage, and resultant clot formation (creating the ‘focus’ for further plaque growth) So basically - there's some damage to the endothelial walls (blood vessel walls) that allow something to get lodged in there and you get a plaque build up. Under either scenario listed here - the putatively mainstream scenario or what this guy proposes - your blood vessels/veins get messed up and something slips into the wall and a plaque starts to build up off that. Well, if the CCPcrud has a protein that can mess up the endothelial walls (curb your tin foil a bit - they didn't find the spike protein doing this that I've seen, it was another of the proteins), and endothelial damage is the precursor for plaque buildups - Possible huge jump in plaques leading to a massive number of heart attacks in the coming years?!?!?!? Did I mention the CCP and fauci and the medical establishment need justice for GOF? ----- Thus ends completely uninformed speculation from someone who is so far out of his wheelhouse on the topic it's not funny. CVD is an inflammatory process. Inflammation occurs inside the artery wall from systemic inflamation. VLDL flows through the cells in the artery wall and accumulates at the spot of inflammation and builds up causing a bunmp in the artery wall and restriction in blood flow as the artery wall gets more inflamed from the inside of the artery wall. With the new bump sticking out into the artery, laminar flow of blood is lost and turbulent flow develops in the artery downstream of the inflammation and constriction which can result in blood clots forming in the non-laminar flow area, much like turbulent flow on the downside of a wing at high AOA. It is already established that the virus and probably the vax causes inflammatory damage systemically and in organs. Inflammation is known to be progressive. If you have inflammation due to diet, disease, lifestyle and you add more, it only compounded and worse. heart disease, coronary vascular disease, type 2 diabetes, auto-immune diseases, obesity ( specifically the action of weight gain ) and cancer are all known inflammatory diseases. a diet high in carbohydrate, especially sugar and high fructose corn syrup have a systemic inflammatory effect on the body through the action of high insulin levels. Insulin all by itself causes inflammation in the artery walls. |
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Originally Posted By Mach: CVD is an inflammatory process. Inflammation occurs inside the artery wall from systemic inflamation. VLDL flows through the cells in the artery wall and accumulates at the spot of inflammation and builds up causing a bunmp in the artery wall and restriction in blood flow as the artery wall gets more inflamed from the inside of the artery wall. With the new bump sticking out into the artery, laminar flow of blood is lost and turbulent flow develops in the artery downstream of the inflammation and constriction which can result in blood clots forming in the non-laminar flow area, much like turbulent flow on the downside of a wing at high AOA. It is already established that the virus and probably the vax causes inflammatory damage systemically and in organs. Inflammation is known to be progressive. If you have inflammation due to diet, disease, lifestyle and you add more, it only compounded and worse. heart disease, coronary vascular disease, type 2 diabetes, auto-immune diseases, obesity ( specifically the action of weight gain ) and cancer are all known inflammatory diseases. a diet high in carbohydrate, especially sugar and high fructose corn syrup have a systemic inflammatory effect on the body through the action of high insulin levels. Insulin all by itself causes inflammation in the artery walls. Originally Posted By Mach: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Ok. So this is legit tin-foil hat stuff, and I dunno if it's true or not, if it's remotely believable, etc. Take with about a 40lb bag of salt, cause this is just speculation from an uninformed knucklehead. Just on the last page here: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/BREAKING-China-quarantines-Wuhan-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/199-2493274/?page=2498#i95649878 I posted a paper that said people were observing that one/some of the individual CCPcrud proteins were damaging the endothelial walls of blood vessels very badly. Ran across this off a link from one of the right-leaning news aggregators: https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2021/11/04/the-enduring-mystery-of-heart-disease-the-clot-thickens/ For example. It is widely known, and accepted, that the single most common ‘final’ event in cardiovascular disease is the formation of a large blood clot – almost inevitably on top of an existing plaque. This can fully block an artery, leading to downstream mayhem. It is also widely accepted that thrombus formation, on top of an already existing plaque, can make plaques suddenly jump in size. Here, for example, is a passage from a paper in the journal Atherosclerosis. This is about as mainstream a publication as you can get in cardiovascular disease research. The paper was called: ‘The role of plaque rupture and thrombosis in coronary artery disease.’ ‘In addition, plaque rupture and subsequent healing is recognized to be a major cause of further rapid plaque progression.’ 4 I could find a million quotes confirming this mechanism, without even breaking sweat. In short, it is not remotely controversial to say that blood clots represent the final event, the thing that kills you. Nor is it controversial to say that plaques grow through the deposition of a new clot on top of an existing plaque. I would get very little argument from any cardiologist about this sequence of events. I know, I have had many such discussions. But what is not accepted, will simply not be accepted, is that the arrival of a blood clot on the ‘healthy’ arterial wall is what initiates atherosclerotic plaque formation. Instead, it is almost universally accepted that it is LDL that does this, and LDL alone. Therefore, current conventional wisdom is that we have a three-step process: The plaque starts – due to LDL leaking through the artery wall The plaque grows – due to deposition of new blood clots on top of the existing plaque (which has become a point of clotting vulnerability) A ‘final’ obstructive blood clot forms on the already grown plaque, causing a heart attack, or stroke – due to a blood clot In one way, all I have done in this book is to make it clear that, yes, we do have a three-stage process. However, low-density lipoprotein plays no part in it. It is entirely driven by blood clots, from start to finish. Which means that the first step is not: The plaque starts – due to LDL leaking through the artery wall The first step is that: The plaque starts, due to endothelial damage, and resultant clot formation (creating the ‘focus’ for further plaque growth) So basically - there's some damage to the endothelial walls (blood vessel walls) that allow something to get lodged in there and you get a plaque build up. Under either scenario listed here - the putatively mainstream scenario or what this guy proposes - your blood vessels/veins get messed up and something slips into the wall and a plaque starts to build up off that. Well, if the CCPcrud has a protein that can mess up the endothelial walls (curb your tin foil a bit - they didn't find the spike protein doing this that I've seen, it was another of the proteins), and endothelial damage is the precursor for plaque buildups - Possible huge jump in plaques leading to a massive number of heart attacks in the coming years?!?!?!? Did I mention the CCP and fauci and the medical establishment need justice for GOF? ----- Thus ends completely uninformed speculation from someone who is so far out of his wheelhouse on the topic it's not funny. CVD is an inflammatory process. Inflammation occurs inside the artery wall from systemic inflamation. VLDL flows through the cells in the artery wall and accumulates at the spot of inflammation and builds up causing a bunmp in the artery wall and restriction in blood flow as the artery wall gets more inflamed from the inside of the artery wall. With the new bump sticking out into the artery, laminar flow of blood is lost and turbulent flow develops in the artery downstream of the inflammation and constriction which can result in blood clots forming in the non-laminar flow area, much like turbulent flow on the downside of a wing at high AOA. It is already established that the virus and probably the vax causes inflammatory damage systemically and in organs. Inflammation is known to be progressive. If you have inflammation due to diet, disease, lifestyle and you add more, it only compounded and worse. heart disease, coronary vascular disease, type 2 diabetes, auto-immune diseases, obesity ( specifically the action of weight gain ) and cancer are all known inflammatory diseases. a diet high in carbohydrate, especially sugar and high fructose corn syrup have a systemic inflammatory effect on the body through the action of high insulin levels. Insulin all by itself causes inflammation in the artery walls. Those read like ccp crud diseases comorbidities. |
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Those read like ccp crud diseases comorbidities. Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By Mach: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Ok. So this is legit tin-foil hat stuff, and I dunno if it's true or not, if it's remotely believable, etc. Take with about a 40lb bag of salt, cause this is just speculation from an uninformed knucklehead. Just on the last page here: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/BREAKING-China-quarantines-Wuhan-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/199-2493274/?page=2498#i95649878 I posted a paper that said people were observing that one/some of the individual CCPcrud proteins were damaging the endothelial walls of blood vessels very badly. Ran across this off a link from one of the right-leaning news aggregators: https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2021/11/04/the-enduring-mystery-of-heart-disease-the-clot-thickens/ For example. It is widely known, and accepted, that the single most common ‘final’ event in cardiovascular disease is the formation of a large blood clot – almost inevitably on top of an existing plaque. This can fully block an artery, leading to downstream mayhem. It is also widely accepted that thrombus formation, on top of an already existing plaque, can make plaques suddenly jump in size. Here, for example, is a passage from a paper in the journal Atherosclerosis. This is about as mainstream a publication as you can get in cardiovascular disease research. The paper was called: ‘The role of plaque rupture and thrombosis in coronary artery disease.’ ‘In addition, plaque rupture and subsequent healing is recognized to be a major cause of further rapid plaque progression.’ 4 I could find a million quotes confirming this mechanism, without even breaking sweat. In short, it is not remotely controversial to say that blood clots represent the final event, the thing that kills you. Nor is it controversial to say that plaques grow through the deposition of a new clot on top of an existing plaque. I would get very little argument from any cardiologist about this sequence of events. I know, I have had many such discussions. But what is not accepted, will simply not be accepted, is that the arrival of a blood clot on the ‘healthy’ arterial wall is what initiates atherosclerotic plaque formation. Instead, it is almost universally accepted that it is LDL that does this, and LDL alone. Therefore, current conventional wisdom is that we have a three-step process: The plaque starts – due to LDL leaking through the artery wall The plaque grows – due to deposition of new blood clots on top of the existing plaque (which has become a point of clotting vulnerability) A ‘final’ obstructive blood clot forms on the already grown plaque, causing a heart attack, or stroke – due to a blood clot In one way, all I have done in this book is to make it clear that, yes, we do have a three-stage process. However, low-density lipoprotein plays no part in it. It is entirely driven by blood clots, from start to finish. Which means that the first step is not: The plaque starts – due to LDL leaking through the artery wall The first step is that: The plaque starts, due to endothelial damage, and resultant clot formation (creating the ‘focus’ for further plaque growth) So basically - there's some damage to the endothelial walls (blood vessel walls) that allow something to get lodged in there and you get a plaque build up. Under either scenario listed here - the putatively mainstream scenario or what this guy proposes - your blood vessels/veins get messed up and something slips into the wall and a plaque starts to build up off that. Well, if the CCPcrud has a protein that can mess up the endothelial walls (curb your tin foil a bit - they didn't find the spike protein doing this that I've seen, it was another of the proteins), and endothelial damage is the precursor for plaque buildups - Possible huge jump in plaques leading to a massive number of heart attacks in the coming years?!?!?!? Did I mention the CCP and fauci and the medical establishment need justice for GOF? ----- Thus ends completely uninformed speculation from someone who is so far out of his wheelhouse on the topic it's not funny. CVD is an inflammatory process. Inflammation occurs inside the artery wall from systemic inflamation. VLDL flows through the cells in the artery wall and accumulates at the spot of inflammation and builds up causing a bunmp in the artery wall and restriction in blood flow as the artery wall gets more inflamed from the inside of the artery wall. With the new bump sticking out into the artery, laminar flow of blood is lost and turbulent flow develops in the artery downstream of the inflammation and constriction which can result in blood clots forming in the non-laminar flow area, much like turbulent flow on the downside of a wing at high AOA. It is already established that the virus and probably the vax causes inflammatory damage systemically and in organs. Inflammation is known to be progressive. If you have inflammation due to diet, disease, lifestyle and you add more, it only compounded and worse. heart disease, coronary vascular disease, type 2 diabetes, auto-immune diseases, obesity ( specifically the action of weight gain ) and cancer are all known inflammatory diseases. a diet high in carbohydrate, especially sugar and high fructose corn syrup have a systemic inflammatory effect on the body through the action of high insulin levels. Insulin all by itself causes inflammation in the artery walls. Those read like ccp crud diseases comorbidities. He is right and on top of carbs and sugar is bad cooking oils that cause oxidation in the arteries. Oxidation is the big damage causing process. |
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Those read like ccp crud diseases comorbidities. Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By Mach: Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Ok. So this is legit tin-foil hat stuff, and I dunno if it's true or not, if it's remotely believable, etc. Take with about a 40lb bag of salt, cause this is just speculation from an uninformed knucklehead. Just on the last page here: https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/BREAKING-China-quarantines-Wuhan-amid-coronavirus-outbreak/199-2493274/?page=2498#i95649878 I posted a paper that said people were observing that one/some of the individual CCPcrud proteins were damaging the endothelial walls of blood vessels very badly. Ran across this off a link from one of the right-leaning news aggregators: https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2021/11/04/the-enduring-mystery-of-heart-disease-the-clot-thickens/ For example. It is widely known, and accepted, that the single most common ‘final’ event in cardiovascular disease is the formation of a large blood clot – almost inevitably on top of an existing plaque. This can fully block an artery, leading to downstream mayhem. It is also widely accepted that thrombus formation, on top of an already existing plaque, can make plaques suddenly jump in size. Here, for example, is a passage from a paper in the journal Atherosclerosis. This is about as mainstream a publication as you can get in cardiovascular disease research. The paper was called: ‘The role of plaque rupture and thrombosis in coronary artery disease.’ ‘In addition, plaque rupture and subsequent healing is recognized to be a major cause of further rapid plaque progression.’ 4 I could find a million quotes confirming this mechanism, without even breaking sweat. In short, it is not remotely controversial to say that blood clots represent the final event, the thing that kills you. Nor is it controversial to say that plaques grow through the deposition of a new clot on top of an existing plaque. I would get very little argument from any cardiologist about this sequence of events. I know, I have had many such discussions. But what is not accepted, will simply not be accepted, is that the arrival of a blood clot on the ‘healthy’ arterial wall is what initiates atherosclerotic plaque formation. Instead, it is almost universally accepted that it is LDL that does this, and LDL alone. Therefore, current conventional wisdom is that we have a three-step process: The plaque starts – due to LDL leaking through the artery wall The plaque grows – due to deposition of new blood clots on top of the existing plaque (which has become a point of clotting vulnerability) A ‘final’ obstructive blood clot forms on the already grown plaque, causing a heart attack, or stroke – due to a blood clot In one way, all I have done in this book is to make it clear that, yes, we do have a three-stage process. However, low-density lipoprotein plays no part in it. It is entirely driven by blood clots, from start to finish. Which means that the first step is not: The plaque starts – due to LDL leaking through the artery wall The first step is that: The plaque starts, due to endothelial damage, and resultant clot formation (creating the ‘focus’ for further plaque growth) So basically - there's some damage to the endothelial walls (blood vessel walls) that allow something to get lodged in there and you get a plaque build up. Under either scenario listed here - the putatively mainstream scenario or what this guy proposes - your blood vessels/veins get messed up and something slips into the wall and a plaque starts to build up off that. Well, if the CCPcrud has a protein that can mess up the endothelial walls (curb your tin foil a bit - they didn't find the spike protein doing this that I've seen, it was another of the proteins), and endothelial damage is the precursor for plaque buildups - Possible huge jump in plaques leading to a massive number of heart attacks in the coming years?!?!?!? Did I mention the CCP and fauci and the medical establishment need justice for GOF? ----- Thus ends completely uninformed speculation from someone who is so far out of his wheelhouse on the topic it's not funny. CVD is an inflammatory process. Inflammation occurs inside the artery wall from systemic inflamation. VLDL flows through the cells in the artery wall and accumulates at the spot of inflammation and builds up causing a bunmp in the artery wall and restriction in blood flow as the artery wall gets more inflamed from the inside of the artery wall. With the new bump sticking out into the artery, laminar flow of blood is lost and turbulent flow develops in the artery downstream of the inflammation and constriction which can result in blood clots forming in the non-laminar flow area, much like turbulent flow on the downside of a wing at high AOA. It is already established that the virus and probably the vax causes inflammatory damage systemically and in organs. Inflammation is known to be progressive. If you have inflammation due to diet, disease, lifestyle and you add more, it only compounded and worse. heart disease, coronary vascular disease, type 2 diabetes, auto-immune diseases, obesity ( specifically the action of weight gain ) and cancer are all known inflammatory diseases. a diet high in carbohydrate, especially sugar and high fructose corn syrup have a systemic inflammatory effect on the body through the action of high insulin levels. Insulin all by itself causes inflammation in the artery walls. Those read like ccp crud diseases comorbidities. yep It is not a coincidence |
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Originally Posted By Dace: I have it right now and am vaxxed. I have a bunch of comorbidities like an auto immune disease that messes with my lungs. One of my kids also has it but she is unvaxxed. I thought it was just a head cold but had to get tested for a surgery and turned out I was positive. So we tested the whole family. Its weird how this is supposedly so contagious yet only a couple of people under the same roof have it. I got the monocolonol antibodies yesterday. Yep. There is so much about this that doesn't make since. Things I have seen first hand. Super off for something "highly contagious". 1. Husband and wife. Wife is pos. Husband figures he's already as good as got it, so he's sleeping with her, taking care of her, even kissing her. And he never gets it. He was tested a ton of times while this happened. He never got it. This was pre vax. 2. 50+ guys with no hand washing, sharing a prota potty working closely and not masking. 3 times. One guy gets it and tests pos. NO ONE else gets it. Then several months later another guy.... and so on. 3 times, and never a 2nd case.... WTF. I am really glad, but it doesn't make since to me. Maybe 30% of the guys are vaxed. 3. Again pre vax. Guard that spends 12 hr a day in a truck. Gets it. The other guard that spends the other 12 hr a day in the same truck.... doesn't get it. People that I know that have gotten it. 1. A whole family and everyone in attendance at a kids Karate tournament. EVERYONE that was there got it. 2. Kid picked it up at school and again entire family got it. 3. A family that went to Disneyland and the entire family got it. 4. Several more that are god only knows. 5. A real odd one. A log debarker went down. Mechanic working to fix it, gets covid. A couple days later another mechanic goes to work on it (he's a outside guy that had never been on site or met the guy that got sick). A day after working on the debarker he comes down sick with covid. Shit, a couple days latter call in another mechanic, WARN them the last 2 guys working on this got covid, this dude suits up and just hoses EVERYTHING down with bleach water before toughing anything, and goes to work on it. Next day, he's sick with covid. WTF... That's one persistent agent. At this point we are talking like a week and a bleach shower and still makes a guy sick.... To my untrained eye, it seems more like something that's being deployed rather than "spread". I know it sounds crazy, but just so many odd things. I am starting to wonder. |
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Originally Posted By ibuyre2: Yep. There is so much about this that doesn't make since. Things I have seen first hand. Super off for something "highly contagious". 1. Husband and wife. Wife is pos. Husband figures he's already as good as got it, so he's sleeping with her, taking care of her, even kissing her. And he never gets it. He was tested a ton of times while this happened. He never got it. This was pre vax. 2. 50+ guys with no hand washing, sharing a prota potty working closely and not masking. 3 times. One guy gets it and tests pos. NO ONE else gets it. Then several months later another guy.... and so on. 3 times, and never a 2nd case.... WTF. I am really glad, but it doesn't make since to me. Maybe 30% of the guys are vaxed. 3. Again pre vax. Guard that spends 12 hr a day in a truck. Gets it. The other guard that spends the other 12 hr a day in the same truck.... doesn't get it. People that I know that have gotten it. 1. A whole family and everyone in attendance at a kids Karate tournament. EVERYONE that was there got it. 2. Kid picked it up at school and again entire family got it. 3. A family that went to Disneyland and the entire family got it. 4. Several more that are god only knows. 5. A real odd one. A log debarker went down. Mechanic working to fix it, gets covid. A couple days later another mechanic goes to work on it (he's a outside guy that had never been on site or met the guy that got sick). A day after working on the debarker he comes down sick with covid. Shit, a couple days latter call in another mechanic, WARN them the last 2 guys working on this got covid, this dude suits up and just hoses EVERYTHING down with bleach water before toughing anything, and goes to work on it. Next day, he's sick with covid. WTF... That's one persistent agent. At this point we are talking like a week and a bleach shower and still makes a guy sick.... To my untrained eye, it seems more like something that's being deployed rather than "spread". I know it sounds crazy, but just so many odd things. I am starting to wonder. Originally Posted By ibuyre2: Originally Posted By Dace: I have it right now and am vaxxed. I have a bunch of comorbidities like an auto immune disease that messes with my lungs. One of my kids also has it but she is unvaxxed. I thought it was just a head cold but had to get tested for a surgery and turned out I was positive. So we tested the whole family. Its weird how this is supposedly so contagious yet only a couple of people under the same roof have it. I got the monocolonol antibodies yesterday. Yep. There is so much about this that doesn't make since. Things I have seen first hand. Super off for something "highly contagious". 1. Husband and wife. Wife is pos. Husband figures he's already as good as got it, so he's sleeping with her, taking care of her, even kissing her. And he never gets it. He was tested a ton of times while this happened. He never got it. This was pre vax. 2. 50+ guys with no hand washing, sharing a prota potty working closely and not masking. 3 times. One guy gets it and tests pos. NO ONE else gets it. Then several months later another guy.... and so on. 3 times, and never a 2nd case.... WTF. I am really glad, but it doesn't make since to me. Maybe 30% of the guys are vaxed. 3. Again pre vax. Guard that spends 12 hr a day in a truck. Gets it. The other guard that spends the other 12 hr a day in the same truck.... doesn't get it. People that I know that have gotten it. 1. A whole family and everyone in attendance at a kids Karate tournament. EVERYONE that was there got it. 2. Kid picked it up at school and again entire family got it. 3. A family that went to Disneyland and the entire family got it. 4. Several more that are god only knows. 5. A real odd one. A log debarker went down. Mechanic working to fix it, gets covid. A couple days later another mechanic goes to work on it (he's a outside guy that had never been on site or met the guy that got sick). A day after working on the debarker he comes down sick with covid. Shit, a couple days latter call in another mechanic, WARN them the last 2 guys working on this got covid, this dude suits up and just hoses EVERYTHING down with bleach water before toughing anything, and goes to work on it. Next day, he's sick with covid. WTF... That's one persistent agent. At this point we are talking like a week and a bleach shower and still makes a guy sick.... To my untrained eye, it seems more like something that's being deployed rather than "spread". I know it sounds crazy, but just so many odd things. I am starting to wonder. crazy but when it is potentially everywhere there is no way to know where and when someone got infected In the early days contact tracing was important, now it is meaningless All those dudes could have been infected 10 days prior at home, on the plane down, in the hotel they were staying at , from the waitress at the local diner at breakfast or they all banged the same hooker or they all got it someplace different no way to know I think a lot of the pos from test at work with no symptoms and nobody in the house gets it are probably false positives. |
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Originally Posted By Mach: crazy but when it is potentially everywhere there is no way to know where and when someone got infected In the early days contact tracing was important, now it is meaningless All those dudes could have been infected 10 days prior at home, on the plane down, in the hotel they were staying at , from the waitress at the local diner at breakfast or they all banged the same hooker or they all got it someplace different no way to know I think a lot of the pos from test at work with no symptoms and nobody in the house gets it are probably false positives. Originally Posted By Mach: Originally Posted By ibuyre2: Originally Posted By Dace: I have it right now and am vaxxed. I have a bunch of comorbidities like an auto immune disease that messes with my lungs. One of my kids also has it but she is unvaxxed. I thought it was just a head cold but had to get tested for a surgery and turned out I was positive. So we tested the whole family. Its weird how this is supposedly so contagious yet only a couple of people under the same roof have it. I got the monocolonol antibodies yesterday. Yep. There is so much about this that doesn't make since. Things I have seen first hand. Super off for something "highly contagious". 1. Husband and wife. Wife is pos. Husband figures he's already as good as got it, so he's sleeping with her, taking care of her, even kissing her. And he never gets it. He was tested a ton of times while this happened. He never got it. This was pre vax. 2. 50+ guys with no hand washing, sharing a prota potty working closely and not masking. 3 times. One guy gets it and tests pos. NO ONE else gets it. Then several months later another guy.... and so on. 3 times, and never a 2nd case.... WTF. I am really glad, but it doesn't make since to me. Maybe 30% of the guys are vaxed. 3. Again pre vax. Guard that spends 12 hr a day in a truck. Gets it. The other guard that spends the other 12 hr a day in the same truck.... doesn't get it. People that I know that have gotten it. 1. A whole family and everyone in attendance at a kids Karate tournament. EVERYONE that was there got it. 2. Kid picked it up at school and again entire family got it. 3. A family that went to Disneyland and the entire family got it. 4. Several more that are god only knows. 5. A real odd one. A log debarker went down. Mechanic working to fix it, gets covid. A couple days later another mechanic goes to work on it (he's a outside guy that had never been on site or met the guy that got sick). A day after working on the debarker he comes down sick with covid. Shit, a couple days latter call in another mechanic, WARN them the last 2 guys working on this got covid, this dude suits up and just hoses EVERYTHING down with bleach water before toughing anything, and goes to work on it. Next day, he's sick with covid. WTF... That's one persistent agent. At this point we are talking like a week and a bleach shower and still makes a guy sick.... To my untrained eye, it seems more like something that's being deployed rather than "spread". I know it sounds crazy, but just so many odd things. I am starting to wonder. crazy but when it is potentially everywhere there is no way to know where and when someone got infected In the early days contact tracing was important, now it is meaningless All those dudes could have been infected 10 days prior at home, on the plane down, in the hotel they were staying at , from the waitress at the local diner at breakfast or they all banged the same hooker or they all got it someplace different no way to know I think a lot of the pos from test at work with no symptoms and nobody in the house gets it are probably false positives. The false positive PCR tests caused a lot of problems. It would be nice if we had antibody monitoring post infection. The other mix is some folks appear immune already. One theory is prior OC43 exposure. Be nice if someone actually investigated that. But nope, everyone has to get the jab. |
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Originally Posted By exponentialpi: The false positive PCR tests caused a lot of problems. It would be nice if we had antibody monitoring post infection. The other mix is some folks appear immune already. One theory is prior OC43 exposure. Be nice if someone actually investigated that. But nope, everyone has to get the jab. Originally Posted By exponentialpi: Originally Posted By Mach: Originally Posted By ibuyre2: Originally Posted By Dace: I have it right now and am vaxxed. I have a bunch of comorbidities like an auto immune disease that messes with my lungs. One of my kids also has it but she is unvaxxed. I thought it was just a head cold but had to get tested for a surgery and turned out I was positive. So we tested the whole family. Its weird how this is supposedly so contagious yet only a couple of people under the same roof have it. I got the monocolonol antibodies yesterday. Yep. There is so much about this that doesn't make since. Things I have seen first hand. Super off for something "highly contagious". 1. Husband and wife. Wife is pos. Husband figures he's already as good as got it, so he's sleeping with her, taking care of her, even kissing her. And he never gets it. He was tested a ton of times while this happened. He never got it. This was pre vax. 2. 50+ guys with no hand washing, sharing a prota potty working closely and not masking. 3 times. One guy gets it and tests pos. NO ONE else gets it. Then several months later another guy.... and so on. 3 times, and never a 2nd case.... WTF. I am really glad, but it doesn't make since to me. Maybe 30% of the guys are vaxed. 3. Again pre vax. Guard that spends 12 hr a day in a truck. Gets it. The other guard that spends the other 12 hr a day in the same truck.... doesn't get it. People that I know that have gotten it. 1. A whole family and everyone in attendance at a kids Karate tournament. EVERYONE that was there got it. 2. Kid picked it up at school and again entire family got it. 3. A family that went to Disneyland and the entire family got it. 4. Several more that are god only knows. 5. A real odd one. A log debarker went down. Mechanic working to fix it, gets covid. A couple days later another mechanic goes to work on it (he's a outside guy that had never been on site or met the guy that got sick). A day after working on the debarker he comes down sick with covid. Shit, a couple days latter call in another mechanic, WARN them the last 2 guys working on this got covid, this dude suits up and just hoses EVERYTHING down with bleach water before toughing anything, and goes to work on it. Next day, he's sick with covid. WTF... That's one persistent agent. At this point we are talking like a week and a bleach shower and still makes a guy sick.... To my untrained eye, it seems more like something that's being deployed rather than "spread". I know it sounds crazy, but just so many odd things. I am starting to wonder. crazy but when it is potentially everywhere there is no way to know where and when someone got infected In the early days contact tracing was important, now it is meaningless All those dudes could have been infected 10 days prior at home, on the plane down, in the hotel they were staying at , from the waitress at the local diner at breakfast or they all banged the same hooker or they all got it someplace different no way to know I think a lot of the pos from test at work with no symptoms and nobody in the house gets it are probably false positives. The false positive PCR tests caused a lot of problems. It would be nice if we had antibody monitoring post infection. The other mix is some folks appear immune already. One theory is prior OC43 exposure. Be nice if someone actually investigated that. But nope, everyone has to get the jab. The research is out there, not like the CDC is going to care though. Lack of antibodies against seasonal coronavirus OC43 nucleocapsid protein identifies patients at risk of critical COVID-19 High prevalence of pre-existing serological cross-reactivity against severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2) in sub-Saharan Africa Cross-reactive CD4+ T cells enhance SARS-CoV-2 immune responses upon infection and vaccination |
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Originally Posted By exDefensorMilitas: The research is out there, not like the CDC is going to care though. Lack of antibodies against seasonal coronavirus OC43 nucleocapsid protein identifies patients at risk of critical COVID-19 High prevalence of pre-existing serological cross-reactivity against severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2) in sub-Saharan Africa Cross-reactive CD4+ T cells enhance SARS-CoV-2 immune responses upon infection and vaccination Originally Posted By exDefensorMilitas: Originally Posted By exponentialpi: Originally Posted By Mach: Originally Posted By ibuyre2: Originally Posted By Dace: I have it right now and am vaxxed. I have a bunch of comorbidities like an auto immune disease that messes with my lungs. One of my kids also has it but she is unvaxxed. I thought it was just a head cold but had to get tested for a surgery and turned out I was positive. So we tested the whole family. Its weird how this is supposedly so contagious yet only a couple of people under the same roof have it. I got the monocolonol antibodies yesterday. Yep. There is so much about this that doesn't make since. Things I have seen first hand. Super off for something "highly contagious". 1. Husband and wife. Wife is pos. Husband figures he's already as good as got it, so he's sleeping with her, taking care of her, even kissing her. And he never gets it. He was tested a ton of times while this happened. He never got it. This was pre vax. 2. 50+ guys with no hand washing, sharing a prota potty working closely and not masking. 3 times. One guy gets it and tests pos. NO ONE else gets it. Then several months later another guy.... and so on. 3 times, and never a 2nd case.... WTF. I am really glad, but it doesn't make since to me. Maybe 30% of the guys are vaxed. 3. Again pre vax. Guard that spends 12 hr a day in a truck. Gets it. The other guard that spends the other 12 hr a day in the same truck.... doesn't get it. People that I know that have gotten it. 1. A whole family and everyone in attendance at a kids Karate tournament. EVERYONE that was there got it. 2. Kid picked it up at school and again entire family got it. 3. A family that went to Disneyland and the entire family got it. 4. Several more that are god only knows. 5. A real odd one. A log debarker went down. Mechanic working to fix it, gets covid. A couple days later another mechanic goes to work on it (he's a outside guy that had never been on site or met the guy that got sick). A day after working on the debarker he comes down sick with covid. Shit, a couple days latter call in another mechanic, WARN them the last 2 guys working on this got covid, this dude suits up and just hoses EVERYTHING down with bleach water before toughing anything, and goes to work on it. Next day, he's sick with covid. WTF... That's one persistent agent. At this point we are talking like a week and a bleach shower and still makes a guy sick.... To my untrained eye, it seems more like something that's being deployed rather than "spread". I know it sounds crazy, but just so many odd things. I am starting to wonder. crazy but when it is potentially everywhere there is no way to know where and when someone got infected In the early days contact tracing was important, now it is meaningless All those dudes could have been infected 10 days prior at home, on the plane down, in the hotel they were staying at , from the waitress at the local diner at breakfast or they all banged the same hooker or they all got it someplace different no way to know I think a lot of the pos from test at work with no symptoms and nobody in the house gets it are probably false positives. The false positive PCR tests caused a lot of problems. It would be nice if we had antibody monitoring post infection. The other mix is some folks appear immune already. One theory is prior OC43 exposure. Be nice if someone actually investigated that. But nope, everyone has to get the jab. The research is out there, not like the CDC is going to care though. Lack of antibodies against seasonal coronavirus OC43 nucleocapsid protein identifies patients at risk of critical COVID-19 High prevalence of pre-existing serological cross-reactivity against severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus-2 (SARS-CoV-2) in sub-Saharan Africa Cross-reactive CD4+ T cells enhance SARS-CoV-2 immune responses upon infection and vaccination When I said someone, I meant the tyrannts in charge pushing "The Science". I know independent researchers are doing all that they can. Because they truly do believe in science. |
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I don’t understand the reluctance to publish studies on the effectiveness of prior infection other than to simply continue to push the vax for financial reasons. It’s the only thing that makes sense at this point. Other than if there still is some long term terrible consequence of being infected that they haven’t told us. Those are the only 2 scenarios that make sense to me. As for my anecdotal experience with the contagiousness…my son had it in Feb. Exposure at wrestling practice. His work out partner came to practice when he couldn’t taste. My wife was in the car with him for 3 hours when he got tested. We lived a normal life while he was symptomatic at home. We didn’t try to isolate him. Nobody else in the house got sick. I picked it up somehow in May. I never got tested but lost taste and smell. I slept in the same bed as my wife and we took zero precautions again. She never got it. She had an antibody test done and was negative. Since I had it we have lived a totally normal life. Sporting events, hotels, indoor water park, etc. she has never been sick. Makes no sense |
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Originally Posted By ibuyre2: Yep. There is so much about this that doesn't make since. Things I have seen first hand. Super off for something "highly contagious". 1. Husband and wife. Wife is pos. Husband figures he's already as good as got it, so he's sleeping with her, taking care of her, even kissing her. And he never gets it. He was tested a ton of times while this happened. He never got it. This was pre vax. 2. 50+ guys with no hand washing, sharing a prota potty working closely and not masking. 3 times. One guy gets it and tests pos. NO ONE else gets it. Then several months later another guy.... and so on. 3 times, and never a 2nd case.... WTF. I am really glad, but it doesn't make since to me. Maybe 30% of the guys are vaxed. 3. Again pre vax. Guard that spends 12 hr a day in a truck. Gets it. The other guard that spends the other 12 hr a day in the same truck.... doesn't get it. People that I know that have gotten it. 1. A whole family and everyone in attendance at a kids Karate tournament. EVERYONE that was there got it. 2. Kid picked it up at school and again entire family got it. 3. A family that went to Disneyland and the entire family got it. 4. Several more that are god only knows. 5. A real odd one. A log debarker went down. Mechanic working to fix it, gets covid. A couple days later another mechanic goes to work on it (he's a outside guy that had never been on site or met the guy that got sick). A day after working on the debarker he comes down sick with covid. Shit, a couple days latter call in another mechanic, WARN them the last 2 guys working on this got covid, this dude suits up and just hoses EVERYTHING down with bleach water before toughing anything, and goes to work on it. Next day, he's sick with covid. WTF... That's one persistent agent. At this point we are talking like a week and a bleach shower and still makes a guy sick.... To my untrained eye, it seems more like something that's being deployed rather than "spread". I know it sounds crazy, but just so many odd things. I am starting to wonder. I've made the same observation and been told I'm a conspiracy nut for even having the thought. It would go a long way to explaining events that have no other logical explanation... |
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Originally Posted By nickdcj7: I've made the same observation and been told I'm a conspiracy nut for even having the thought. It would go a long way to explaining events that have no other logical explanation... That log debarker. Was the one that made me go hmmmm. What are the odds of something like that. 3 guys... right in a row that never met. Oh and it was located in a yard right next to where chinese ships get loaded with logs. The barker being down, cut off log shipments to china for almost month and contributed to the back log in shipping.... it caused ships to start stacking up. Just hmmm. But it's just nuts to think like that. And Mach is right, it is everywhere, so there really is no telling. It's just ODD, and there's been so much odd that now I keep a open mind and question EVERYTHING. |
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Hear is something new that has me wondering. So at work, when someone tests pos. They have to stay home and quarantine for 2 weeks. After the two weeks they can then return to work, even if they still test pos and even if they are still sick and test pos. The employers are claiming that 2 weeks after someone first tests pos, they can no longer spread it, even if they are still sick. WTF this makes no since to me. One of the guys at work, his wife is a nurse, and he said they are running into the same problem at the hospital that she works at. People are still testing pos after 2 weeks, so the hospital is now taking the same stance that after 2 weeks, you are no longer able to spread it, even if you still test pos. Even if they still have symptoms. I find that confusing. I always learned that when someone has symptoms they are normally still contagious, is this not the case with covid? |
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Originally Posted By ibuyre2: Hear is something new that has me wondering. So at work, when someone tests pos. They have to stay home and quarantine for 2 weeks. After the two weeks they can then return to work, even if they still test pos and even if they are still sick and test pos. The employers are claiming that 2 weeks after someone first tests pos, they can no longer spread it, even if they are still sick. WTF this makes no since to me. One of the guys at work, his wife is a nurse, and he said they are running into the same problem at the hospital that she works at. People are still testing pos after 2 weeks, so the hospital is now taking the same stance that after 2 weeks, you are no longer able to spread it, even if you still test pos. Even if they still have symptoms. I find that confusing. I always learned that when someone has symptoms they are normally still contagious, is this not the case with covid? This is what happens when rules are made using arbitrary numbers instead of actual scientific research. The origins of the "6 foot" social distance was totally arbitrary. Made up, on the spot. Our local health dept/school policy allows kids and teachers to return to school after 10 days, even if still symptomatic, as long as "symptoms are diminishing." Kids in close contact with a positive case have to quarantine for 10 days, UNLESS they are vaccinated or wearing a mask. (Because suddenly the mask protects the wearer again) My son was quarantined because the girl he sits next to tested positive, even though she wasn't sick and was vaccinated. If he'd been vaccinated, he wouldn't have had to quarantine because he was "protected." I've given up trying to rationalize or make sense out of anything. It's all just arbitrary - whatever the guy in charge decided that day, based on whatever he read on the back of the cereal box that morning. |
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Originally Posted By Gunner226: This is what happens when rules are made using arbitrary numbers instead of actual scientific research. The origins of the "6 foot" social distance was totally arbitrary. Made up, on the spot. Our local health dept/school policy allows kids and teachers to return to school after 10 days, even if still symptomatic, as long as "symptoms are diminishing." Kids in close contact with a positive case have to quarantine for 10 days, UNLESS they are vaccinated or wearing a mask. (Because suddenly the mask protects the wearer again) My son was quarantined because the girl he sits next to tested positive, even though she wasn't sick and was vaccinated. If he'd been vaccinated, he wouldn't have had to quarantine because he was "protected." I've given up trying to rationalize or make sense out of anything. It's all just arbitrary - whatever the guy in charge decided that day, based on whatever he read on the back of the cereal box that morning. Originally Posted By Gunner226: Originally Posted By ibuyre2: Hear is something new that has me wondering. So at work, when someone tests pos. They have to stay home and quarantine for 2 weeks. After the two weeks they can then return to work, even if they still test pos and even if they are still sick and test pos. The employers are claiming that 2 weeks after someone first tests pos, they can no longer spread it, even if they are still sick. WTF this makes no since to me. One of the guys at work, his wife is a nurse, and he said they are running into the same problem at the hospital that she works at. People are still testing pos after 2 weeks, so the hospital is now taking the same stance that after 2 weeks, you are no longer able to spread it, even if you still test pos. Even if they still have symptoms. I find that confusing. I always learned that when someone has symptoms they are normally still contagious, is this not the case with covid? This is what happens when rules are made using arbitrary numbers instead of actual scientific research. The origins of the "6 foot" social distance was totally arbitrary. Made up, on the spot. Our local health dept/school policy allows kids and teachers to return to school after 10 days, even if still symptomatic, as long as "symptoms are diminishing." Kids in close contact with a positive case have to quarantine for 10 days, UNLESS they are vaccinated or wearing a mask. (Because suddenly the mask protects the wearer again) My son was quarantined because the girl he sits next to tested positive, even though she wasn't sick and was vaccinated. If he'd been vaccinated, he wouldn't have had to quarantine because he was "protected." I've given up trying to rationalize or make sense out of anything. It's all just arbitrary - whatever the guy in charge decided that day, based on whatever he read on the back of the cereal box that morning. C’mon man. Trust “The Science”. The people in charge are looking out for our best interests. 
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Originally Posted By dmtaylor64: I don’t understand the reluctance to publish studies on the effectiveness of prior infection other than to simply continue to push the vax for financial reasons. It’s the only thing that makes sense at this point. Other than if there still is some long term terrible consequence of being infected that they haven’t told us. Those are the only 2 scenarios that make sense to me. As for my anecdotal experience with the contagiousness…my son had it in Feb. Exposure at wrestling practice. His work out partner came to practice when he couldn’t taste. My wife was in the car with him for 3 hours when he got tested. We lived a normal life while he was symptomatic at home. We didn’t try to isolate him. Nobody else in the house got sick. I picked it up somehow in May. I never got tested but lost taste and smell. I slept in the same bed as my wife and we took zero precautions again. She never got it. She had an antibody test done and was negative. Since I had it we have lived a totally normal life. Sporting events, hotels, indoor water park, etc. she has never been sick. Makes no sense Reluctance may have nothing to do with it. The government and ... guess who! NIH & NIAID (amongst others I believe) hand out grants and loans to do research. If the people who give the grants to do research aren't willing to fund you...
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Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Reluctance may have nothing to do with it. The government and ... guess who! NIH & NIAID (amongst others I believe) hand out grants and loans to do research. If the people who give the grants to do research aren't willing to fund you... Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k: Originally Posted By dmtaylor64: I don’t understand the reluctance to publish studies on the effectiveness of prior infection other than to simply continue to push the vax for financial reasons. It’s the only thing that makes sense at this point. Other than if there still is some long term terrible consequence of being infected that they haven’t told us. Those are the only 2 scenarios that make sense to me. As for my anecdotal experience with the contagiousness…my son had it in Feb. Exposure at wrestling practice. His work out partner came to practice when he couldn’t taste. My wife was in the car with him for 3 hours when he got tested. We lived a normal life while he was symptomatic at home. We didn’t try to isolate him. Nobody else in the house got sick. I picked it up somehow in May. I never got tested but lost taste and smell. I slept in the same bed as my wife and we took zero precautions again. She never got it. She had an antibody test done and was negative. Since I had it we have lived a totally normal life. Sporting events, hotels, indoor water park, etc. she has never been sick. Makes no sense Reluctance may have nothing to do with it. The government and ... guess who! NIH & NIAID (amongst others I believe) hand out grants and loans to do research. If the people who give the grants to do research aren't willing to fund you... This is the problem. Federal agencies fund the majority of research. It's clear that the federal government doesn't have much interest in natural immunity. Of course, industry also provides some funding, but natural immunity doesn't do much for the bottom line. Guess which research proposals don't get funded. Unfortunately science isn't funded by benevolent idealists, well at least not most of it. |
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Originally Posted By ibuyre2:...5. A real odd one. A log debarker went down. Mechanic working to fix it, gets covid. A couple days later another mechanic goes to work on it (he's a outside guy that had never been on site or met the guy that got sick). A day after working on the debarker he comes down sick with covid. Shit, a couple days latter call in another mechanic, WARN them the last 2 guys working on this got covid, this dude suits up and just hoses EVERYTHING down with bleach water before toughing anything, and goes to work on it. Next day, he's sick with covid. WTF... That's one persistent agent. At this point we are talking like a week and a bleach shower and still makes a guy sick.... To my untrained eye, it seems more like something that's being deployed rather than "spread". I know it sounds crazy, but just so many odd things. I am starting to wonder. I'm skeptical the 3rd mechanic got it from the machinery. I say he got it from somewhere else. Am I probably right? |
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https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/vaccinated-english-adults-under-60 Vaccinated English adults under 60 are dying at twice the rate of unvaccinated people the same age And have been for six months. This chart may seem unbelievable or impossible, but it's correct, based on weekly data from the British government. Alex Berenson 15 hr ago  The brown line represents weekly deaths from all causes of vaccinated people aged 10-59, per 100,000 people. The blue line represents weekly deaths from all causes of unvaccinated people per 100,000 in the same age range. I have checked the underlying dataset myself and this graph is correct. Vaccinated people under 60 are twice as likely to die as unvaccinated people. And overall deaths in Britain are running well above normal. I don’t know how to explain this other than vaccine-caused mortality. The basic data is available here, download the Excel file and see table 4: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland Original source data: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsbyvaccinationstatusengland https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=%2fpeoplepopulationandcommunity%2fbirthsdeathsandmarriages%2fdeaths%2fdatasets%2fdeathsbyvaccinationstatusengland%2fdeathsoccurringbetween2januaryand24september2021/datasetfinalcorrected3.xlsx https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=%2fpeoplepopulationandcommunity%2fbirthsdeathsandmarriages%2fdeaths%2fdatasets%2fdeathsbyvaccinationstatusengland%2fdeathsoccurringbetween2januaryand2july2021/dataset.xlsx |