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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:49:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher214: The more that comes out, the less this seems like a coincidence. Spotted beforehand, supposed ladder left to the roof, literally nobody watching his approach point, officers INSIDE THE DAMN BUILDING HE FIRED FROM! Is Crooks just the luckiest motherfucker on the planet to show up with a rifle and the conditions just happened to be perfect for him to access a roof with concealment from the sniper teams and a clear line of sight for a chip shot at a former POTUS and presumptive nominee? It's getting hard to believe this was all just incompetence and a shooter randomly picked the day when the incompetence was on full display. I think so. How many of these things happen where they quietly wrap the dude up and nobody ever hears about it? Probably more often than you think. Right now there's a USMC infantry company in the field with a firewatch posted and I guarantee you can walk away with a pile of gear a surprising percentage of the time because they're complacent and fucking off... I get it this is a much higher priority.. but it's 2024 and it's hot outside... |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:50:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cash50: Bro that's a really silly idea. Plenty of men do it that too. These are just humans. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cash50: Originally Posted By Mooseless: Originally Posted By Kihn: She is going to be downright offended at the implication that her 'incompetence' had anything to do with it. And resent the sexism that goes along with that. Women barely ever take responsibility for anything that happens in their personal lives. Why should we expect any different in their professional ones? Bro that's a really silly idea. Plenty of men do it that too. These are just humans. True and, as I mentioned above, those people, regardless of gender, should be dis-qualified for positions of responsibility. |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:51:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PetroAggie07: The other sniper teams were on sloped roofs. I know but she decided the building with the same pitched roof where there was a clear line of sight to the stage and a security threat the LEO snipers were to remain in the building . |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:54:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ranging-by-zipcode: Cheatle told ABC News her first reaction to the shooting was "shock." The director acknowledged the incident never should have happened and confirmed that the shooter, Thomas Matthew Crooks, had been identified as a person of interest. But by the time Crooks was located, it was too late to stop his bullets. "The shooter was actually identified as a potential person of suspicion," she said. "Unfortunately, with the rapid succession of how things unfolded, by the time that individual was eventually located, they were on the rooftop and were able to fire off at the former president." Cheatle told ABC News her first reaction to the shooting was "shock." She also said the Secret Service was aware of the security vulnerabilities presented by the building Crooks took a sniper's position on to aim at Trump. However, a decision was made not to place any personnel on the roof. "That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there's a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to put somebody up on a sloped roof. And so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building, from inside." Fox News' Tamara Gitt contributed to this update Is she forgetting the two USSS CSTs on sloped roofs directly behind the president? 
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:54:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NwG: Radio saying the ladder belonged to the local LE team and they left it in place and went inside.  |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:55:05 AM EDT
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Even if i am not american, i was shocked tonight when i saw the news. Since i am at work and this theead is 200+ pages, i surely missed something
1) wtf, how can the security of the most powerful government in the world suck this bad? An armed guy in plain sight over a freaking roof with an AR at 130 m from Trump was able to position himself and take several shots?? This makes me wonder.. 2) luckily that child was a terrible shot 3) i have heard that the child is a republican. I imagine it is BS from the left right? |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:55:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: His nugget was very intact for a 300WM SMK hit. The damage does look more like a FMJ 5.56 to me. That's why they don't suggest SMKs for hunting. It doesn't expand reliably. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:55:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RSG:
Holy shit. These fuckers are insane. So much for unity and toning down of the rhetoric. Fucker straight doubled down. Surprised they made it this long honestly. This is why we cannot take the high road against these evil cocksuckers. |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:55:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WUPHF: Is she forgetting the two USSS CSTs on sloped roofs directly behind the president? I don't think she forgot anything |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:58:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Alacran]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher214: The more that comes out, the less this seems like a coincidence. Spotted beforehand, supposed ladder left to the roof, literally nobody watching his approach point, officers INSIDE THE DAMN BUILDING HE FIRED FROM! Is Crooks just the luckiest motherfucker on the planet to show up with a rifle and the conditions just happened to be perfect for him to access a roof with concealment from the sniper teams and a clear line of sight for a chip shot at a former POTUS and presumptive nominee? It's getting hard to believe this was all just incompetence and a shooter randomly picked the day when the incompetence was on full display. Careful! We’re already living in a world cram-full of conspiracy theories that are turning out to be true! |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:59:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ssimo: Even if i am not american, i was shocked tonight when i saw the news. Since i am at work and this theead is 200+ pages, i surely missed something 1) wtf, how can the security of the most powerful government in the world suck this bad? An armed guy in plain sight over a freaking roof with an AR at 130 m from Trump was able to position himself and take several shots?? This makes me wonder.. because he was allowed to 2) luckily that child was a terrible shot he wasn't. But he was foolish for going for a headshot for dramatic effect, as well as being ill-equipped. 3) i have heard that the child is a republican. I imagine it is BS from the left right? he registered as R to vote in R primaries. Means nothing. |
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USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:59:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WUPHF: Is she forgetting the two USSS CSTs on sloped roofs directly behind the president? Well, see, that's different. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 9:59:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kihn: She is going to be downright offended at the implication that her 'incompetence' had anything to do with it. And resent the sexism that goes along with that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kihn: Originally Posted By ranging-by-zipcode: Cheatle told ABC News her first reaction to the shooting was "shock." The director acknowledged the incident never should have happened and confirmed that the shooter, Thomas Matthew Crooks, had been identified as a person of interest. But by the time Crooks was located, it was too late to stop his bullets. "The shooter was actually identified as a potential person of suspicion," she said. "Unfortunately, with the rapid succession of how things unfolded, by the time that individual was eventually located, they were on the rooftop and were able to fire off at the former president." Cheatle told ABC News her first reaction to the shooting was "shock." She also said the Secret Service was aware of the security vulnerabilities presented by the building Crooks took a sniper's position on to aim at Trump. However, a decision was made not to place any personnel on the roof. "That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there's a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to put somebody up on a sloped roof. And so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building, from inside." Fox News' Tamara Gitt contributed to this update She is going to be downright offended at the implication that her 'incompetence' had anything to do with it. And resent the sexism that goes along with that. There were CS teams on roofs at that event with steeper slopes at that event. What a ridiculous thing to say. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:01:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SturmgeschutzIII: Why do you say he was not a terrible shot? Every decent (not good) shooter should be able to hit a head at 130 m from prone with several shots from a low recoiling rifle. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:02:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BRS1912: Is it though? Inside job can mean many things. How do you explain that horrible SS stuff? Presidents get 100 percent SS attention. Period. To leave that up to chance or babies that couldn't stand the heat...yeah no. Something smells. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BRS1912: Originally Posted By 50cal: All the "inside job" are kind of laughable. For a job with the far reaching implications that this would have had and the powers that be pick a goof ball and have him use a red dot instead of a scope with some magnification. Yeah, top tier talent on that job. Is it though? Inside job can mean many things. How do you explain that horrible SS stuff? Presidents get 100 percent SS attention. Period. To leave that up to chance or babies that couldn't stand the heat...yeah no. Something smells. How many different things can an "inside job" mean? |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:03:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: realwar]
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Tim Burchett (R-TN) Claims Trump Shooter Was 'Radicalized By This Administration And The Media'
 Tim Burchett Claims Trump Shooter Was 'Radicalized By This Administration And The Media' |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:04:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midmo: All that horseshit aside, she failed catastrophically at the one duty her agency exists for. Period. Keeping her in that position in unacceptable. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midmo: Originally Posted By ranging-by-zipcode: Cheatle told ABC News her first reaction to the shooting was "shock." The director acknowledged the incident never should have happened and confirmed that the shooter, Thomas Matthew Crooks, had been identified as a person of interest. But by the time Crooks was located, it was too late to stop his bullets. "The shooter was actually identified as a potential person of suspicion," she said. "Unfortunately, with the rapid succession of how things unfolded, by the time that individual was eventually located, they were on the rooftop and were able to fire off at the former president." Cheatle told ABC News her first reaction to the shooting was "shock." She also said the Secret Service was aware of the security vulnerabilities presented by the building Crooks took a sniper's position on to aim at Trump. However, a decision was made not to place any personnel on the roof. "That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there's a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to put somebody up on a sloped roof. And so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building, from inside." Fox News' Tamara Gitt contributed to this update All that horseshit aside, she failed catastrophically at the one duty her agency exists for. Period. Keeping her in that position in unacceptable. Alejandro Mayorkas is another one, too. I used to say a weatherman was the perfect job. Who else could get so much wrong and still keep their job? Now that distinction has been eclipsed by pretty much any department head of the federal government. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:04:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AJE: @tree-hugger You're going to be removed from the thread if you are only here to argue with other members. Enough. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AJE: Originally Posted By tree-hugger: Originally Posted By doc540: 30 minutes of mere coincidences and a dozen "oopsies" by top security men. This. Is. Not. An. Inside. Job. /sarcasm @tree-hugger You're going to be removed from the thread if you are only here to argue with other members. Enough. No problem. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:05:48 AM EDT
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They are hell bent on keeping Trump from being reelected. All bets are off and have been since November 2020. Few people seem to grasp that fact.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:06:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midmo: It that's true they should be surgically castrated to ensure their defective genes have no more opportunity to swim in the pool. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midmo: Originally Posted By NwG: Radio saying the ladder belonged to the local LE team and they left it in place and went inside. It that's true they should be surgically castrated to ensure their defective genes have no more opportunity to swim in the pool. Laziness. Things fall apart, and it takes a large amount of daily, largely unappreciated effort to beat back Entropy. These additional revelations are fantastic news, by the way. A conspiracy to groom some Ree Tardy Oswald to shoot a presidential candidate is a lot more troubling than this event coming about because standards don't matter anymore in the workplace, and we're falling below the critical number of competent people to keep things running. Some guy is crawling around on your roof---that is your explicit responsibility as a specially-trained police officer---and you neither immediately tell USSS, nor investigate? This chain of events would make perfect sense in a country like Kenya or Mexico. Unfortunately, it's now happening here. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:07:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glck1911: I was on the side of gross incompetence at first. Everything COULD be explained by that, except for one thing. Let's say that everything that lead up to him firing the shot was incompetence. Not even a lunatic would think they would be able to get into position like that at that type of event, especially with a rifle. Not only did he do just that, but he just so happened to pick the building that had line of sight AND the only one to have an unintentional security gap. Yeah. That fucking stinks. I can buy incompetence. What I can't buy is this guy being some super assassin that figured this all out. Autism. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:07:21 AM EDT
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False flag inbound.
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:08:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RR_Broccoli: People who aren't plants, don't try to convince us they aren't plants. People who have information, just post it, they don't clickbait tease horsechit for attention. By all means, get on more ignore lists with absolute distain in the comments field while you pretend to have information we'll be interested in some more. That will SURELY help us all think you are the cool guy in the end. You've never been in a position where you're not allowed to comment on something publicly, and vast amounts of WRONG information is being shared, and it shows. |
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USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:08:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MiloBloom]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norsk: M a y b e . B u t I t h i n k i t ' s t h e f a r r i g h t c o r n e r o f y o u r P i c h e w a s o n . B e c a u s e o v e r t h e r e h e w o u l d b e g e t t i n g o v e r t o t h e A C u n i t s a n d t h e l o w e r c o n n e c t i o n b e t w e e n t h e t w o b u i l d i n g s . T h e y ' r e b o t h d a r k e r c o n c r e t e . Another poster had it right. If he climbed up on the right side he would've been exposed. None of the videos show that. Here are pics anyway. Trump is off to the Right https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/285822/Screenshot_20240715_235912_Earth_jpg-3268148.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/285822/Screenshot_20240715_235920_Earth_jpg-3268149.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norsk: Originally Posted By Riflenoob: @Gtdhw @Norsk Think this is where he was, and where photo was taken? I do not see other things in street view like this. https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8586539,-79.9713066,3a,53.2y,127.7h,94.33t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1srNh7xK0MJUYUYrIHS-ZcZw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DrNh7xK0MJUYUYrIHS-ZcZw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.share%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26yaw%3D127.69869270542372%26pitch%3D-4.329565154477137%26thumbfov%3D90!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu https://i.imgur.com/ch4zDmn.jpeg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172459/faggot_png-3268108.JPG M a y b e . B u t I t h i n k i t ' s t h e f a r r i g h t c o r n e r o f y o u r P i c h e w a s o n . B e c a u s e o v e r t h e r e h e w o u l d b e g e t t i n g o v e r t o t h e A C u n i t s a n d t h e l o w e r c o n n e c t i o n b e t w e e n t h e t w o b u i l d i n g s . T h e y ' r e b o t h d a r k e r c o n c r e t e . Another poster had it right. If he climbed up on the right side he would've been exposed. None of the videos show that. Here are pics anyway. Trump is off to the Right https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/285822/Screenshot_20240715_235912_Earth_jpg-3268148.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/285822/Screenshot_20240715_235920_Earth_jpg-3268149.JPG ETA: I think your location is more likely, at that time of day the corner I was looking at would probably be shaded. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:08:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: WUPHF]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By only1asterisk: Well, see, that's different. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By only1asterisk: Originally Posted By WUPHF: Is she forgetting the two USSS CSTs on sloped roofs directly behind the president? Well, see, that's different. Normally, I think Congressional grilling sessions are fairly pointless circle jerks, but she is going to have a rough go of it when these hearings start. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:09:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ranging-by-zipcode: I don't think she forgot anything 
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:09:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hadrian: It is simply not believable that the kid had NO online presence. The kid has no online presence........anymore...... |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:09:44 AM EDT
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Who took this picture? It's confused me since I first saw it. Where did it come from? It looks like whoever took it was taking it from above so does that mean they were on the roof at some point before he got up there? He's wearing the same shirt so likely taken the same day. Why was it leaked so fast?
Was this kid a patsy?  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:10:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ssimo: Why do you say he was not a terrible shot? Every decent (not good) shooter should be able to hit a head at 130 m from prone with several shots from a low recoiling rifle. Trump happened to turn his head right as he shot the first round. And I believe the shooter had an unmagnified red dot optic. And still only missed killing him by an inch or two. The first shot was his only real chance before Trump was down and covered. 3+ body shots would've been easy, but they wanted head exploding on live tv to masturbate to later. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:11:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WUPHF: Is she forgetting the two USSS CSTs on sloped roofs directly behind the president? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WUPHF: Originally Posted By ranging-by-zipcode: Cheatle told ABC News her first reaction to the shooting was "shock." The director acknowledged the incident never should have happened and confirmed that the shooter, Thomas Matthew Crooks, had been identified as a person of interest. But by the time Crooks was located, it was too late to stop his bullets. "The shooter was actually identified as a potential person of suspicion," she said. "Unfortunately, with the rapid succession of how things unfolded, by the time that individual was eventually located, they were on the rooftop and were able to fire off at the former president." Cheatle told ABC News her first reaction to the shooting was "shock." She also said the Secret Service was aware of the security vulnerabilities presented by the building Crooks took a sniper's position on to aim at Trump. However, a decision was made not to place any personnel on the roof. "That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there's a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to put somebody up on a sloped roof. And so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building, from inside." Fox News' Tamara Gitt contributed to this update Is she forgetting the two USSS CSTs on sloped roofs directly behind the president? Without knowing every detail of the detail...looking more like really bad communication between departments. Secret Service has their sectors, and LEO has their sectors. One counter sniper team isn't going to be able provide a 360 or even a 270 degree security. One team may had bad visibility of that area. Another team provide security towards a different direction. Another team provides security over a different sector? And LEO providing security in an area that SS knew about, but LEO changed their minds on their set up. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:12:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: WUPHF]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rustler: Who took this picture? It's confused me since I first saw it. Where did it come from? It looks like whoever took it was taking it from above so does that mean they were on the roof at some point before he got up there? He's wearing the same shirt so likely taken the same day. Why was it leaked so fast? Was this kid a patsy? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/167167/IMG_0294_jpeg-3268277.JPG Most likely the local LEO counter sniper guys who were in the 2 story building next to the sloped roof this kid eventually used as his sniper’s perch. Go back 5-10 pages, there was a lot of discussion and postulation on it last night, complete with diagrams. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:13:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doc540: They are hell bent on keeping Trump from being reelected. All bets are off and have been since November 2020. Few people seem to grasp that fact. I believe the Left also has contingency plans in case Trump does come out ahead in the election. He wasn’t supposed to win in 2016, either. This time around, it’ll be a hell of a lot more that just a bunch of accusations of colluding with foreign influences on the election. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:13:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: While not common, it’s definitely plausible. He was constantly bullied and didn’t have friends. I know people with nothing more than a LinkedIn account. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mr_Nasty99: Originally Posted By Hadrian: It is simply not believable that the kid had NO online presence. While not common, it’s definitely plausible. He was constantly bullied and didn’t have friends. I know people with nothing more than a LinkedIn account. I believe that would make him more likely to go online, not less |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:13:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mooseless: Women barely ever take responsibility for anything that happens in their personal lives. Why should we expect any different in their professional ones? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mooseless: Originally Posted By Kihn: She is going to be downright offended at the implication that her 'incompetence' had anything to do with it. And resent the sexism that goes along with that. Women barely ever take responsibility for anything that happens in their personal lives. Why should we expect any different in their professional ones? Should be in 36 point bold font in the Introduction section of any management textbook. The women I have worked for and with, have been competent and often brilliant. But Goddamn is it a rare one who will admit, "Damn, I screwed up," and not find some way to offload blame, distinguish what they did from a true failure or mistake, or otherwise offer a stream of excuses. Those that have, were universally "Brought up Country", and I loved working for them. Cue the Yeats poem... |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:14:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WoodHeat: There were CS teams on roofs at that event with steeper slopes at that event. What a ridiculous thing to say. yeah, that might be a 1.5'- 2.0': 12' pitch. Downright scary. Would explain why Crooks did not stand up on it. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:15:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rustler: Who took this picture? It's confused me since I first saw it. Where did it come from? It looks like whoever took it was taking it from above so does that mean they were on the roof at some point before he got up there? He's wearing the same shirt so likely taken the same day. Why was it leaked so fast? Was this kid a patsy? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/167167/IMG_0294_jpeg-3268277.JPG Not 100% sure but in another thread it seemed like this was taken by a cop who thought he was acting suspicious. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:16:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RR_Broccoli: People who aren't plants, don't try to convince us they aren't plants. People who have information, just post it, they don't clickbait tease horsechit for attention. By all means, get on more ignore lists with absolute distain in the comments field while you pretend to have information we'll be interested in some more. That will SURELY help us all think you are the cool guy in the end. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RR_Broccoli: Originally Posted By xviperx420: Nothing to do with clout. I'll post about it WHEN I can. Thats all. People who have information, just post it, they don't clickbait tease horsechit for attention. By all means, get on more ignore lists with absolute distain in the comments field while you pretend to have information we'll be interested in some more. That will SURELY help us all think you are the cool guy in the end. He posted a couple pages back and it seems he works at the gun range the kid went to, knew the kid (via the range, not personally?) and saw him shoot there. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:16:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Kihn]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DarkStar: False flag inbound.
Morning Joe is pushing with one contributor that the assassination attempt on Trump was because Trump wasn't conservative enough. Tom Martin. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:17:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DarkStar: False flag inbound.
They've been yapping about "right wing violence" for the last 7 years and somehow it never materializes. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:19:45 AM EDT
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The part I'm struggling with is that he was smart enough to get a ladder, a potential explosive etc but he shows up dressed like a rally attendee and doesn't believe he should pop something a little more tacticool on to be a bit less obvious than some random person crawling on a roof with a gun?
That's why I'm leaning to this all being pure random dumbshittery on all sides. And maybe it works, a sniper figures it's someone trying to get a better view of Trump before they realize he's armed because there's no possible way anyone should be able to get a gun there. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:20:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TStick: this can't be real. If it is, I have some photos to show her from this very thread. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TStick: Originally Posted By ranging-by-zipcode: Cheatle told ABC News her first reaction to the shooting was "shock." The director acknowledged the incident never should have happened and confirmed that the shooter, Thomas Matthew Crooks, had been identified as a person of interest. But by the time Crooks was located, it was too late to stop his bullets. "The shooter was actually identified as a potential person of suspicion," she said. "Unfortunately, with the rapid succession of how things unfolded, by the time that individual was eventually located, they were on the rooftop and were able to fire off at the former president." Cheatle told ABC News her first reaction to the shooting was "shock." She also said the Secret Service was aware of the security vulnerabilities presented by the building Crooks took a sniper's position on to aim at Trump. However, a decision was made not to place any personnel on the roof. "That building in particular has a sloped roof at its highest point. And so, you know, there's a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to put somebody up on a sloped roof. And so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building, from inside." Fox News' Tamara Gitt contributed to this update this can't be real. If it is, I have some photos to show her from this very thread. I get the impression she doesn't know what she's talking about and combined a bunch of briefings together into what was said... think about how many times you've said something to a manager, and what gets passed along from them is a jumbled mess with 50% truths where they've combined different parts of what you told them... Imagine her getting briefed that the snipers had a better view from the windows in the building to certain areas because the pitched roof put them further back, and then she says they weren't on the roof because it was pitched... amd everyone is now losing their minds... |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:22:11 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheFringe: In 1949 or '50 I believe a mortally wounded Secret Service agent saved the life of Truman while guarding the Executive Mansion when the White House was being renovated. Two Puerto Rican terrorists had stormed the mansion and shot the agent which gave them a clear path to Truman who had heard the commotion from the 2nd floor of the structure. Agent returned fire just before he expired killing one or both of the terrorists. The incident marks the only time Secret Service has returned fire (before Butler) as well as the only Secret Service fatality protecting a VIP during an assassination attempt. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheFringe: Originally Posted By Kingdead: Originally Posted By -SkyRaider-: Was this the first counter-sniper engagement on US soil in modern history? In 1949 or '50 I believe a mortally wounded Secret Service agent saved the life of Truman while guarding the Executive Mansion when the White House was being renovated. Two Puerto Rican terrorists had stormed the mansion and shot the agent which gave them a clear path to Truman who had heard the commotion from the 2nd floor of the structure. Agent returned fire just before he expired killing one or both of the terrorists. The incident marks the only time Secret Service has returned fire (before Butler) as well as the only Secret Service fatality protecting a VIP during an assassination attempt. Same guy who wrote the Bob Lee Swagger books wrote "American Gunfight," about that incident. Decent history of that incident and day. USSS---at least the protective teams---historically appeared to be quite reticent to use deadly force. Duran, he of the spraying either an SKS or an AK at the White House from the sidewalk outside the fence---while Clinton was there!---was not killed by USSS. He was tackled by bystanders and held for arrest. I think we discussed at the time, the lunatic who sprinted across the lawn and actually made it into the White House first floor. He wasn't killed either. Hinkley was arrested, not shot, etc... Maybe you can add the Cessna to the CONUS kills column, I dunno. Still, they don't appear to use their weapons near as often as popular culture would have you think they do. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:22:50 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HRJ: But they put snipers on two other sloped roofs. Because its bullshit, it wasn't because the roof was sloped. Its because they were hot. But there's no way she's going to say that. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:23:47 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DarkStar: False flag inbound.
Leave Biden in a room with the most eager Trump voters... they will be propping his legs up with pillows and getting him warm milk. He's in much more danger from the lefties. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:26:26 AM EDT
[#45]
After reading through Cheatle the DEI USSS "leader's" excuses, what ever happened to "The president does not get on stage until this issue is buttoned up"
They had multiple eye-witnesses They had cause. They had resources. They had ALL THE TIME in the world (had they kept Trump off stage) Imagine the headlines if they got the guy before any shots were fired. "Dropped the ball" is the understatement of the century. I can't help but think about what Nov 23rd, 1963 would have looked like had they missed JFK. Probably a lot like this. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:26:53 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RarestRX: So all these cops are in this metal building, they hear this guy crawling around on the roof and what...? Drink more coffee?  I have 3 metal buildings, if a bird lands on the roof I can hear it. It's hard for me to believe if there were police inside that same building they didn't hear Crooks crawling around up there and check it out. They must have been in the adjacent building. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:27:13 AM EDT
[#47]
Tim Burchett (R-TN): This Is My Question To The Secret Service After Trump Assassination Attempt
 Tim Burchett: This Is My Question To The Secret Service After Trump Assassination Attempt |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:27:59 AM EDT
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So one time GWB was in Milwaukee and headed to the town just North of where I live (which I didn't know at the time but he was going to a local shoe manufacturer). I leave work in the ghetto, get on the freeway, and there are no fucking cars. At rush hour. Huh, I notice there are cop cars, local, county, and state, at every on and off ramp and bodies posted on every overpass (including a railway). But no other cars, in either direction.
What the fuck is going on? I thought. *shrug* Must have been an accident and the freeway was closed or something? Maybe a chase? Well I just kept driving and was never approached or pulled over. Fast forward to my exit ramp almost fifteen minutes later and I was almost overtaken by the Presidential motorcade. The locals on my off ramp (who weren't cops but rather the local emergency management services volunteers) are all staring at me like "where the fuck did you come from?". Anyways, that is my personal experience with locals and/or assumedly bad comms fucking up a USSS protection plan. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:28:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: LittleBigHorn]
[#49]
The response by the director is even more baffling than I originally thought.
What the fuck. None of what she said makes logical sense, which means she is either clueless on the matter, poorly briefed, a complete fucking moron, or there is more to this. I’m pretty much at the mix of all 3, with an obviously incompetent team. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 10:28:41 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By APPARITION: The part I'm struggling with is that he was smart enough to get a ladder, a potential explosive etc but he shows up dressed like a rally attendee and doesn't believe he should pop something a little more tacticool on to be a bit less obvious than some random person crawling on a roof with a gun? That's why I'm leaning to this all being pure random dumbshittery on all sides. And maybe it works, a sniper figures it's someone trying to get a better view of Trump before they realize he's armed because there's no possible way anyone should be able to get a gun there. It appears the cops had a ladder setup already. "Hidden" back behind the trees. That's likely how he got on the roof. If not, there are a couple other things he could have climbed on that would be easy for as scrawny guy to use to get on the roof. |
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