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Posted: 7/25/2024 9:58:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Originally Posted By Drumbic: I dont even think he walked around the building like that rendering shows... unless the video taken by the spectators on the ground is a different angle vs building, it looks like he when right up and rolled onto the roof where he crawled to take the shot. Witness statement (1:39)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vplMFtnI_QAccording to the guy in this video crooks got up on the building behind/next to the building he shot at Trump from. The guy said he accessed the roof he shot from By walking across the roof of one of those breezeways that connect the two larger buildings. |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 9:59:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mojo: Did they interview/get a statement from the SS CS who shot Crooks? Or they don’t allow him to speak? According to wray's testimony the guy who shot crooks had been interviewed. |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 10:01:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: nu3gawhat]
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Seems like a lot of these videos are inserting a lot of their own assumptions and false information.
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IL, USA
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Posted: 7/25/2024 10:03:58 PM EDT
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So snipers in the windows saw crooks on the retaining wall and they all left to walk through the crowd to try and find crooks? How come 1, 2, or 3 of them didn’t stay behind to keep an eye on crooks?
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Posted: 7/25/2024 10:08:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cycolac: According to wray's testimony the guy who shot crooks had been interviewed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cycolac: Originally Posted By mojo: Did they interview/get a statement from the SS CS who shot Crooks? Or they don’t allow him to speak? According to wray's testimony the guy who shot crooks had been interviewed. That’s SOP to all agencies, but they don’t allow him to talk to the press. His testimony would shed a lot of light and add additional POV to attempted Trump assassination. |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 10:17:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nu3gawhat: Seems like a lot of these videos are inserting a lot of their own assumptions and false information. They are inserting their own hypothetical ideas. Absent any accurate official information, that's all any of us can do. |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 10:59:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mojo: That’s SOP to all agencies, but they don’t allow him to talk to the press. His testimony would shed a lot of light and add additional POV to attempted Trump assassination. From what I've heard they all have gag orders not to talk to anyone. |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 11:18:07 PM EDT
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Trump unleashes on FBI as it launches bombshell new probe into assassination attempt after director's shock claim - as former president insists the assassin's bullet DID hit his ear
 Donald Trump has slammed the FBI as the agency confirmed it is probing whether he was actually hit by a bullet during an assassination attempt. The presidential hopeful blasted the bureau's director Christopher Wray, after he suggested that it could have been shrapnel which grazed Trump's ear following the shooting in Butler, Pennsylvania. The FBI has since confirmed it is examining fragments found near the stage to determine what caused the Republican nominee's injuries, after Wray told a congressional hearing there is 'some question' over what really happened. The agency is hoping to interview Trump as part of its investigation, the New York Times Reports. However, the former president has remained defiant in his account of events, stating it was a 'bullet that hit my ear, and hit it hard'.  In a furious post on Truth Social, Trump blasted Wray's suggestion and took aim at his judgement on other topical issues - including Biden's mental state. 'FBI Director Christopher Wray told Congress yesterday that he wasn’t sure if I was hit by shrapnel, glass, or a bullet (the FBI never even checked!),' he fumed. 'But he was sure that Crooked Joe Biden was physically and cognitively “uneventful” - Wrong! That’s why he knows nothing about the terrorists and other criminals pouring into our Country at record levels. 'His only focus is destroying J6 Patriots, Raiding Mar-a-Lago, and saving Radical Left Lunatics, like the ones now in D.C. burning American flags and spray painting over our great National Monuments - with zero retribution. 'No, it was, unfortunately, a bullet that hit my ear, and hit it hard. There was no glass, there was no shrapnel. 'The hospital called it a “bullet wound to the ear,” and that is what it was. No wonder the once storied FBI has lost the confidence of America!' More |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 11:37:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Trump unleashes on FBI as it launches bombshell new probe into assassination attempt after director's shock claim - as former president insists the assassin's bullet DID hit his ear https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/26/03/87788021-0-image-m-11_1721960152023.jpg Donald Trump has slammed the FBI as the agency confirmed it is probing whether he was actually hit by a bullet during an assassination attempt. The presidential hopeful blasted the bureau's director Christopher Wray, after he suggested that it could have been shrapnel which grazed Trump's ear following the shooting in Butler, Pennsylvania. The FBI has since confirmed it is examining fragments found near the stage to determine what caused the Republican nominee's injuries, after Wray told a congressional hearing there is 'some question' over what really happened. The agency is hoping to interview Trump as part of its investigation, the New York Times Reports. However, the former president has remained defiant in his account of events, stating it was a 'bullet that hit my ear, and hit it hard'. https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/25/00/87734563-13669813-image-a-27_1721863685184.jpg In a furious post on Truth Social, Trump blasted Wray's suggestion and took aim at his judgement on other topical issues - including Biden's mental state. 'FBI Director Christopher Wray told Congress yesterday that he wasn’t sure if I was hit by shrapnel, glass, or a bullet (the FBI never even checked!),' he fumed. 'But he was sure that Crooked Joe Biden was physically and cognitively “uneventful” - Wrong! That’s why he knows nothing about the terrorists and other criminals pouring into our Country at record levels. 'His only focus is destroying J6 Patriots, Raiding Mar-a-Lago, and saving Radical Left Lunatics, like the ones now in D.C. burning American flags and spray painting over our great National Monuments - with zero retribution. 'No, it was, unfortunately, a bullet that hit my ear, and hit it hard. There was no glass, there was no shrapnel. 'The hospital called it a “bullet wound to the ear,” and that is what it was. No wonder the once storied FBI has lost the confidence of America!' More Of course those faggots would say that. |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 11:52:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cycolac: I find it interesting that from about 3:30 to 4:30 he touches on blackrock shorting the Trump stock, AGR being owned by blackrock, crooks in the blackrock video, etc. A lot of coincidences. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cycolac: Originally Posted By realwar: Aerial Investigation: Drone Footage of Trump Assassination Attempt Site in Butler https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSMhYgvdeYYI find it interesting that from about 3:30 to 4:30 he touches on blackrock shorting the Trump stock, AGR being owned by blackrock, crooks in the blackrock video, etc. A lot of coincidences. Yeah, my post (#34 on page 263) I noticed this….in the bring the tinfoil section. I had AGR a bit different but not much from that depending on how you look at it. AGR was bought out around March 2024. I said the parent company that bought them was involved in the military industrial complex making glass. I would imagine anything dealing with the MIC would have signs of blackrock’s fingers on it. I still haven’t seen again where the MIC is directly linked to the parent company so not sure if that was just tossed out there to see what sticks  Just glad I am not the only one who went….humm… 
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Posted: 7/26/2024 12:05:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cinco1: Ah, yep! An oldie but goodie article by the NY Times (of all places) on FBI fabricated terrorist plots... But all these dramas were facilitated by the F.B.I., whose undercover agents and informers posed as terrorists offering a dummy missile, fake C-4 explosives, a disarmed suicide vest and rudimentary training. Suspects na vely played their parts until they were arrested. When an Oregon college student, Mohamed Osman Mohamud, thought of using a car bomb to attack a festive Christmas-tree lighting ceremony in Portland, the F.B.I. provided a van loaded with six 55-gallon drums of "inert material," harmless blasting caps, a detonator cord and a gallon of diesel fuel to make the van smell flammable. An undercover F.B.I. agent even did the driving, with Mr. Mohamud in the passenger seat. To trigger the bomb the student punched a number into a cellphone and got no boom, only a bust. |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 1:43:08 AM EDT
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Butler DA fights back, says officers never left post near roof
 Trump shooting: Butler DA fights back, says officers never left post near roof Butler County District Attorney Richard Goldinger denies the assertion that officers left their assigned area to find Thomas Matthew Crooks |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 1:48:27 AM EDT
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So I guess the guys in the windows weee covering these roofs. Amazing they were not on here. Or the roof higher behind.
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Posted: 7/26/2024 1:52:39 AM EDT
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 The Plot to Kill Trump: What we know and what comes next | Full Segment |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 2:00:16 AM EDT
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There's a photo of what appears to be a bullet whizzing by his head. Is there one showing "fragments"? Is there something of a solid nature with fragments embedded in it? This shouldn't be a closely guarded secret ffs.
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Posted: 7/26/2024 2:29:28 AM EDT
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A retired Secret Service agent made this graph. The yellow lines were clear lines of sight to Trump during the rally. Some go out to 500 yards, so this was a major failure as far as security goes.
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Posted: 7/26/2024 3:30:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Butler DA fights back, says officers never left post near roof https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4HxUpkhJPQButler County District Attorney Richard Goldinger denies the assertion that officers left their assigned area to find Thomas Matthew Crooks Yeah it’s like watching a interrogation with a guilty person who can’t keep his story straight. If they didn’t leave the window room, why was it said they did, and why didn’t they see crooks or take him out? |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 3:41:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: A retired Secret Service agent made this graph. The yellow lines were clear lines of sight to Trump during the rally. Some go out to 500 yards, so this was a major failure as far as security goes. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32274/Screenshot_2024-07-25_at_23-27-03_The_Pl-3277202.JPG Well... seeing how he has Trump's position on the stage incorrect, I find it hard to trust anything else he might say. |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 6:36:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: diesel1]
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What's with the "FBI says Trump may not have been hit with a bullet" media blitz this week?
ETA: I see it was mentioned further up the page here. But WTF? Another "magic bullet" theory"? The concept of a bullet fragmenting in flight was addressed early in this thread and discounted as very unlikely. "Not bullets" that injured 2 and killed 1? Top men, for sure! |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 6:48:45 AM EDT
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Is there anyone else who is questioning why we haven't seen any actual, clear photos of the murder weapon yet?
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Posted: 7/26/2024 7:05:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -SkyRaider-: Were the helos in this video medevacs for the crowd victims? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwBygHmIZ6c |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 7:05:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin: Is there anyone else who is questioning why we haven't seen any actual, clear photos of the murder weapon yet? Theres a lot of basic information they are holding back. Seems like they are in full cover up mode. |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 7:10:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: Yeah it's like watching a interrogation with a guilty person who can't keep his story straight. If they didn't leave the window room, why was it said they did, and why didn't they see crooks or take him out? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: Originally Posted By realwar: Butler DA fights back, says officers never left post near roof https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4HxUpkhJPQButler County District Attorney Richard Goldinger denies the assertion that officers left their assigned area to find Thomas Matthew Crooks Yeah it's like watching a interrogation with a guilty person who can't keep his story straight. If they didn't leave the window room, why was it said they did, and why didn't they see crooks or take him out? There's a lot of CYA. The DA is in charge of the tactical team so he would therefore take the blame for their failure if one is fully determined. Also, the USSS said they weren't on the roof because it was sloped, then it was hot, then who knows. The Sheriff has given some points that aren't necessarily contradictory but don't line up and of course has passed the buck. The plans for both the USSS and whatever responsibilities for positions the PA SP, Butler/Beaver county ESU (SWAT), Butler PD, etc. will explain quite a bit when they are released. That building was full of officers on the bodycam video (28 minute one) but we still haven't seen the initial response video(s). |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 7:13:10 AM EDT
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Also, I haven't said anything about the water tower but to be honest, regardless of what super sniper SEAL congressman says, from personal experience on towers like that, not the best position for a team.
I mean sure, it has the height advantage, but I don't think it's the ideal spot to setup as there is a lot less room up there than anyone thinks and its all curved and well, again, I don't think it's all that and a bag of chips. The more important thing for the water tower, IMO, is whether it was guarded and or secured as part of the plan. It's a lots easier to negate it than to setup on it. If nothing had happened, you still have to consider rescue and I'm sure we have FF on this forum and up there who have done practice rescues from similar water towers with ladder trucks and climbing rigging. |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 7:22:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wgjhsafT: Also, I haven't said anything about the water tower but to be honest, regardless of what super sniper SEAL congressman says, from personal experience on towers like that, not the best position for a team. I mean sure, it has the height advantage, but I don't think it's the ideal spot to setup as there is a lot less room up there than anyone thinks and its all curved and well, again, I don't think it's all that and a bag of chips. The more important thing for the water tower, IMO, is whether it was guarded and or secured as part of the plan. It's a lots easier to negate it than to setup on it. If nothing had happened, you still have to consider rescue and I'm sure we have FF on this forum and up there who have done practice rescues from similar water towers with ladder trucks and climbing rigging. Remote PTZ camera would have been nice. I mean, they're a few hundred bucks on Amazon, but I imagine Ukraine probably won't mind too bad if we spend a little something on ourselves. |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 7:30:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wgjhsafT: Also, I haven't said anything about the water tower but to be honest, regardless of what super sniper SEAL congressman says, from personal experience on towers like that, not the best position for a team. I mean sure, it has the height advantage, but I don't think it's the ideal spot to setup as there is a lot less room up there than anyone thinks and its all curved and well, again, I don't think it's all that and a bag of chips. The more important thing for the water tower, IMO, is whether it was guarded and or secured as part of the plan. It's a lots easier to negate it than to setup on it. If nothing had happened, you still have to consider rescue and I'm sure we have FF on this forum and up there who have done practice rescues from similar water towers with ladder trucks and climbing rigging. You wouldn't have to position a sniper team there. It could just be some observers that would have overwatch over damn near everything in the area. They could then radio to other teams on the ground to look at things. |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 7:34:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaGoose: You wouldn't have to position a sniper team there. It could just be some observers that would have overwatch over damn near everything in the area. They could then radio to other teams on the ground to look at things. Yeah, seems fucking basic. There seems to have been so many holes and bad decisions at this event that led up to this attempted assassination. Hard to believe malice wasnt involved somewhere. |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 7:50:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaGoose: You wouldn't have to position a sniper team there. It could just be some observers that would have overwatch over damn near everything in the area. They could then radio to other teams on the ground to look at things. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaGoose: Originally Posted By wgjhsafT: Also, I haven't said anything about the water tower but to be honest, regardless of what super sniper SEAL congressman says, from personal experience on towers like that, not the best position for a team. I mean sure, it has the height advantage, but I don't think it's the ideal spot to setup as there is a lot less room up there than anyone thinks and its all curved and well, again, I don't think it's all that and a bag of chips. The more important thing for the water tower, IMO, is whether it was guarded and or secured as part of the plan. It's a lots easier to negate it than to setup on it. If nothing had happened, you still have to consider rescue and I'm sure we have FF on this forum and up there who have done practice rescues from similar water towers with ladder trucks and climbing rigging. You wouldn't have to position a sniper team there. It could just be some observers that would have overwatch over damn near everything in the area. They could then radio to other teams on the ground to look at things. Put cameras up there at minimum. Or observers with rifles and the skills to make 300 to 400-yard shots shouldn't be hard to employ. Left-hander on one side of the curvature. Right-hander on the other. Tarps and fans for shade. Not hard. |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 7:55:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nu3gawhat: Seems like a lot of these videos are inserting a lot of their own assumptions and false information. This. |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 8:02:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaGoose: You wouldn't have to position a sniper team there. It could just be some observers that would have overwatch over damn near everything in the area. They could then radio to other teams on the ground to look at things. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaGoose: Originally Posted By wgjhsafT: Also, I haven't said anything about the water tower but to be honest, regardless of what super sniper SEAL congressman says, from personal experience on towers like that, not the best position for a team. I mean sure, it has the height advantage, but I don't think it's the ideal spot to setup as there is a lot less room up there than anyone thinks and its all curved and well, again, I don't think it's all that and a bag of chips. The more important thing for the water tower, IMO, is whether it was guarded and or secured as part of the plan. It's a lots easier to negate it than to setup on it. If nothing had happened, you still have to consider rescue and I'm sure we have FF on this forum and up there who have done practice rescues from similar water towers with ladder trucks and climbing rigging. You wouldn't have to position a sniper team there. It could just be some observers that would have overwatch over damn near everything in the area. They could then radio to other teams on the ground to look at things. There are water towers that have cameras on them as part of our air defense for over 20 years. They could have easily surveyed the area if they wanted to. Remember, the SS also turned down LE drones. |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 8:31:05 AM EDT
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What I want to see is a “Weekend at Bernie’s” style interrogation video of the would-be assassin.
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Posted: 7/26/2024 8:45:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Stretchman]
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Posted: 7/26/2024 8:51:54 AM EDT
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The more that comes out about this whole fiasco the more it is starting to stink of gross incompetence - at the least.
I'm not a big conspiracy kind of guy but with all the sloped roof, not bullet, inert bomb in the car, etc. BS type stuff coming out I'm getting ready to join the group. |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 9:04:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cycolac: The more that comes out about this whole fiasco the more it is starting to stink of gross incompetence - at the least. This incompetence really has ramped up in the last few years. My dad always told me of you want it done right you have to do it yourself. People take shortcuts, are lazy, do the minimum work, we live in a "good enough" world. You constantly have to check if someone did their job correctly. Sometimes things go perfectly but it seems that is getting rare these days. This event has been encouraged by the media and the left for the past 8 years. The Biden administration has been purposely reducing or stopping additional security for even those in his own party. You shouldn't be surprised that this happened. |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 9:06:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tree-hugger: Put cameras up there at minimum. Or observers with rifles and the skills to make 300 to 400-yard shots shouldn't be hard to employ. Left-hander on one side of the curvature. Right-hander on the other. Tarps and fans for shade. Not hard. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tree-hugger: Originally Posted By DaGoose: Originally Posted By wgjhsafT: Also, I haven't said anything about the water tower but to be honest, regardless of what super sniper SEAL congressman says, from personal experience on towers like that, not the best position for a team. I mean sure, it has the height advantage, but I don't think it's the ideal spot to setup as there is a lot less room up there than anyone thinks and its all curved and well, again, I don't think it's all that and a bag of chips. The more important thing for the water tower, IMO, is whether it was guarded and or secured as part of the plan. It's a lots easier to negate it than to setup on it. If nothing had happened, you still have to consider rescue and I'm sure we have FF on this forum and up there who have done practice rescues from similar water towers with ladder trucks and climbing rigging. You wouldn't have to position a sniper team there. It could just be some observers that would have overwatch over damn near everything in the area. They could then radio to other teams on the ground to look at things. Put cameras up there at minimum. Or observers with rifles and the skills to make 300 to 400-yard shots shouldn't be hard to employ. Left-hander on one side of the curvature. Right-hander on the other. Tarps and fans for shade. Not hard. My Matrice 350 will run a loooong time sitting still just using the camera. It can read a road sign a mile away. It would have been very easy to fly one up there and land on the tower top just to use the camera. Nobody would even have to climb the tower. |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 9:28:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HootieWho: My Matrice 350 will run a loooong time sitting still just using the camera. It can read a road sign a mile away. It would have been very easy to fly one up there and land on the tower top just to use the camera. Nobody would even have to climb the tower. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HootieWho: Originally Posted By tree-hugger: Originally Posted By DaGoose: Originally Posted By wgjhsafT: Also, I haven't said anything about the water tower but to be honest, regardless of what super sniper SEAL congressman says, from personal experience on towers like that, not the best position for a team. I mean sure, it has the height advantage, but I don't think it's the ideal spot to setup as there is a lot less room up there than anyone thinks and its all curved and well, again, I don't think it's all that and a bag of chips. The more important thing for the water tower, IMO, is whether it was guarded and or secured as part of the plan. It's a lots easier to negate it than to setup on it. If nothing had happened, you still have to consider rescue and I'm sure we have FF on this forum and up there who have done practice rescues from similar water towers with ladder trucks and climbing rigging. You wouldn't have to position a sniper team there. It could just be some observers that would have overwatch over damn near everything in the area. They could then radio to other teams on the ground to look at things. Put cameras up there at minimum. Or observers with rifles and the skills to make 300 to 400-yard shots shouldn't be hard to employ. Left-hander on one side of the curvature. Right-hander on the other. Tarps and fans for shade. Not hard. My Matrice 350 will run a loooong time sitting still just using the camera. It can read a road sign a mile away. It would have been very easy to fly one up there and land on the tower top just to use the camera. Nobody would even have to climb the tower. Oh YOU.jpeg You know the .gov drones are nowhere near as good as what you have and probably cost at least 10 times more. 
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Posted: 7/26/2024 9:45:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Butler DA fights back, says officers never left post near roof https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4HxUpkhJPQButler County District Attorney Richard Goldinger denies the assertion that officers left their assigned area to find Thomas Matthew Crooks Wasn't possible for these two ESU guys in this CST role to spot Crooks? Couldn't be done without leaning out the windows? Doubt. |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 9:50:41 AM EDT
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Here's a theory.
What if the Officer who abandoned his roof post, associated with Crooks at the firing range, hated Trump and worked together? Could they have been working together? Occam's Razor? A lot of If's at this point. |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 9:54:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: giantpune]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: This shows Crooks sitting on a retaining wall and his most likely way of climbing on the roof minutes before shooting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcYGF77ZKpgOne thing she's missing is him getting his gun. We dont see him with a gun or a backpack while he's sitting on the concrete or when he's walking around. In the first bodycam footage we saw from the roof, the cop said the backpacks up there were theirs they brought with them. So somehow in that period between when the sniper took his picture and they went to go look for him, he retrieved his AR from somewhere and then shimmied up on the roof. And where did he drop his case or backpack. Presumably, he wasn't dumb enough to walk around open carrying an AR with all the police presence. |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 9:56:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HootieWho: My Matrice 350 will run a loooong time sitting still just using the camera. It can read a road sign a mile away. It would have been very easy to fly one up there and land on the tower top just to use the camera. Nobody would even have to climb the tower. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HootieWho: Originally Posted By tree-hugger: Originally Posted By DaGoose: Originally Posted By wgjhsafT: Also, I haven't said anything about the water tower but to be honest, regardless of what super sniper SEAL congressman says, from personal experience on towers like that, not the best position for a team. I mean sure, it has the height advantage, but I don't think it's the ideal spot to setup as there is a lot less room up there than anyone thinks and its all curved and well, again, I don't think it's all that and a bag of chips. The more important thing for the water tower, IMO, is whether it was guarded and or secured as part of the plan. It's a lots easier to negate it than to setup on it. If nothing had happened, you still have to consider rescue and I'm sure we have FF on this forum and up there who have done practice rescues from similar water towers with ladder trucks and climbing rigging. You wouldn't have to position a sniper team there. It could just be some observers that would have overwatch over damn near everything in the area. They could then radio to other teams on the ground to look at things. Put cameras up there at minimum. Or observers with rifles and the skills to make 300 to 400-yard shots shouldn't be hard to employ. Left-hander on one side of the curvature. Right-hander on the other. Tarps and fans for shade. Not hard. My Matrice 350 will run a loooong time sitting still just using the camera. It can read a road sign a mile away. It would have been very easy to fly one up there and land on the tower top just to use the camera. Nobody would even have to climb the tower. Niice... |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 10:09:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: DaGoose]
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Posted: 7/26/2024 10:13:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: DaGoose]
[#42]
Grain of salt.
SCOOP: The REAL Reason Trump’s Assassin was not Eliminated on the Rooftop before Firing on Trump This Information comes from a first-hand source of highest credentials. The attached video is a view from the second story window of the AGR building in Butler, Pennsylvania. The rooftop it overlooks is where Crooks fired on Trump. This room was the overwatch view where a Butler County SWAT sniper team was stationed at the direction of the Secret Service for the Trump rally. The Secret Service is responsible for stationing all protective teams for the President. Local and State law enforcement officers go where they’re told. The snipers in this location should have *easily* been able to engage Crooks before he ever came close to scope site of Trump. Yet, Crooks was able to fire that day without anyone engaging from this position. Why? That answer is total and complete incompetence from Secret Service. There was a three man SWAT sniper team located in this position. One member of the team went home early — not sure how this was allowed but it happened. The remaining two snipers positioned in this room were notified that a suspicious individual [Crooks] was lurking outside the building. One team member left his position to investigate, leaving just one sniper with overwatch of the roof. The investigating team member found nothing and in the process of returning to his position realized he had forgotten his access card into the building. The last remaining sniper with overwatch LEFT [!!!] the position to retrieve his team member locked outside. Crooks crawled across the roof and fired on Trump while this fully-equipped sniper nest with a perfect view of Crooks assassin position was left completely UNMANNED. Obvious infuriating questions: - Who was running command that allowed this fatal tactical error? - Who gave the order to abandon post? - How was there not an officer on the roof who could engage Crooks directly? - Why was there not overwatch from the water tower - a far superior position than this? We need a Congressional Select Committee to investigate the Trump Assassination immediately. |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 10:17:02 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By giantpune: One thing she's missing is him getting his gun. We dont see him with a gun or a backpack while he's sitting on the concrete or when he's walking around. In the first bodycam footage we saw from the roof, the cop said the backpacks up there were theirs they brought with them. So somehow in that period between when the sniper took his picture and they went to go look for him, he retrieved his AR from somewhere and then shimmied up on the roof. And where did he drop his case or backpack. Presumably, he wasn't dumb enough to walk around open carrying an AR with all the police presence. Seems there was some report he stashed it a day or something before but then I saw the testimony about how he had a collapsible stock and that may be why it went un-noticed. The dude was wearing a t-shirt. He wasn't carrying anything. So yeah, where/when did he stash it? |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 10:18:49 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DaGoose: Grain of salt.
SCOOP: The REAL Reason Trump’s Assassin was not Eliminated on the Rooftop before Firing on Trump This Information comes from a first-hand source of highest credentials. The attached video is a view from the second story window of the AGR building in Butler, Pennsylvania. The rooftop it overlooks is where Crooks fired on Trump. This room was the overwatch view where a Butler County SWAT sniper team was stationed at the direction of the Secret Service for the Trump rally. The Secret Service is responsible for stationing all protective teams for the President. Local and State law enforcement officers go where they’re told. The snipers in this location should have *easily* been able to engage Crooks before he ever came close to scope site of Trump. Yet, Crooks was able to fire that day without anyone engaging from this position. Why? That answer is total and complete incompetence from Secret Service. There was a three man SWAT sniper team located in this position. One member of the team went home early — not sure how this was allowed but it happened. The remaining two snipers positioned in this room were notified that a suspicious individual [Crooks] was lurking outside the building. One team member left his position to investigate, leaving just one sniper with overwatch of the roof. The investigating team member found nothing and in the process of returning to his position realized he had forgotten his access card into the building. The last remaining sniper with overwatch LEFT [!!!] the position to retrieve his team member locked outside. Crooks crawled across the roof and fired on Trump while this fully-equipped sniper nest with a perfect view of Crooks assassin position was left completely UNMANNED. Obvious infuriating questions: - Who was running command that allowed this fatal tactical error? - Who gave the order to abandon post? - How was there not an officer on the roof who could engage Crooks directly? - Why was there not overwatch from the water tower - a far superior position than this? We need a Congressional Select Committee to investigate the Trump Assassination immediately. What a clusterfuck! More and more it sounds like the Three Stooges were in charge with predictable results. |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 10:27:05 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doolyd: Seems there was some report he stashed it a day or something before but then I saw the testimony about how he had a collapsible stock and that may be why it went un-noticed. The dude was wearing a t-shirt. He wasn't carrying anything. So yeah, where/when did he stash it? His own rifle could have been given to him by someone in the building he climbed onto. Anything's possible and I can't rule that out with all the shenanigans coming to light. |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 10:29:24 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tree-hugger: His own rifle could have been given to him by someone in the building he climbed onto. Anything's possible and I can't rule that out with all the shenanigans coming to light. No sling? I'd love to see someone shimmy up onto a roof carrying an AR without a sling. |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 10:30:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: giantpune]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doolyd: Seems there was some report he stashed it a day or something before but then I saw the testimony about how he had a collapsible stock and that may be why it went un-noticed. The dude was wearing a t-shirt. He wasn't carrying anything. So yeah, where/when did he stash it? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doolyd: Seems there was some report he stashed it a day or something before but then I saw the testimony about how he had a collapsible stock and that may be why it went un-noticed. The dude was wearing a t-shirt. He wasn't carrying anything. So yeah, where/when did he stash it? I don't think he stashed it ahead of time. His whole chain of events seems like he was winging it. Buying ammo on the way there, buying a ladder from home depot right before the incident, but not even using it. Originally Posted By safe1: No sling? I'd love to see someone shimmy up onto a roof carrying an AR without a sling. Huh? If you can reach the AC unit and the roof to pull your own body up with your spaghetti arms, then you can easily set a 7lb AR up ahead of you, then climb up. |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 10:43:19 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By diesel1: What's with the "FBI says Trump may not have been hit with a bullet" media blitz this week? ETA: I see it was mentioned further up the page here. But WTF? Another "magic bullet" theory"? The concept of a bullet fragmenting in flight was addressed early in this thread and discounted as very unlikely. "Not bullets" that injured 2 and killed 1? Top men, for sure! To them it couldn't be a bullet. This event negates all of their previous reporting on lethal high caliber assault weapon ammo. |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 10:43:49 AM EDT
[#49]
I only saw some of the testimony.
Did any Congress peeps ask what forensic evidence was collected, like marking location of shell casings, blood splatter pattern, gun powder residue, bullet trajectory, bullet recovery, etc? There was a photo of an FBI fuck hosing off the roof Sunday or Monday. WTF? Even if they say they can't release this to the public, they should be able to release this to Congress. Congress needs to demand it. FBI probably won't because they are covering up. Make no mistake. They are tight-lipped because they don't want to risk new smart phone videos getting released that may contradict whatever lies they tell. Congress peeps need better training on what questions to ask. It is amazingly frustrating. So many just play tough for the cameras. I just want the substance of the evidence. I don't care about DEI (not at this moment), training standards, etc. Just get answers on evidence so they can squirm from it later. We'll probably get real answers 50 years after JFK files are released. |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 10:48:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6SJ7GT]
[#50]
FBI investigators wants a "Victim impact statement" from Trump. Severely limiting future campaigning of a presidential candidate opposing your boss is about as big of an impact as you can think of.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi-wants-interview-trump-after-assassination-attempt-source ETA: probably going to indict him for lying about getting hit with a bullet after Wray said it was shrapnel. |
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