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Posted: 7/29/2024 4:30:51 PM EST
[Last Edit: JohnnyLoco]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brass: Then in this vidLEO circling building looking for "guy with gun" and Trump is still talking. Clearly shooter was known on roof while trump was speaking for a long time, the other body cam video is absolute proof of that. SS totally fucked up in letting him go on stage. The head of his detail should be ass canned as well as whoever planned the security for this event for not having a local loop with officers. Wasn't the Patriot Act passed exactly for these situations? Some act which created DHS and made it so everybody at a scene, from local LEO to FBI and other alphabets to clearly communicate in a crisis situation? I remember that was a big selling point on it, was a unified information channel. That was after they knew about 9/11 hijackings and didn't quite do enough to stop them (which this Trump assassination attempt reminds me of). "Inside Job" doesn't mean "the .gov did it" but "the .gov didn't stop it though they were aware" and that's what we see in these body cam videos with Trump speaking in the background and LEO circling building shooter was on with their handguns drawn. I think the in the Good Morning America interview I recall one of the local LE snipers saying he was texting a SS sniper. So that SS sniper had no way of relaying that info to command? Or he did and it was “ignored” Edit. Saw it again on ABC news and the sniper Greg said the information was texted to other snipers on hia team and radioed it to command, who apparently didn’t get that info to Secret Service. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 4:51:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Socio: why sow all this disinformation, gin up conspiracies and cause confusion? Because it makes moderates think that believers of these conspiracies are crazy right wingers. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 5:06:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tornadochaser: Because it makes moderates think that believers of these conspiracies are crazy right wingers. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tornadochaser: Originally Posted By Socio: why sow all this disinformation, gin up conspiracies and cause confusion? Because it makes moderates think that believers of these conspiracies are crazy right wingers. Nice conspiracy theory |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 5:19:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John_Wayne777:
Well...this video is compelling. Now put this into context with what the former SS Director testified to. Her testimony is that as all this LE is surrounding the building, because there’s a guy with a gun on top of it 140(?) yards from Trump, that the gunman is still not considered a “threat”, but still simply a “suspicious” person? And because he was only “suspicious” it didn’t warrant pausing the rally? Didn’t she testify that the gunman was only recognized as being a “threat” just a few seconds before he fired his first shot? |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 5:19:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panzersergeant: All those cops surrounding that building.  There is no doubt in my mind the shooter was allowed to go up on that roof.  I don't know - watching them bumble around like idiots makes me think they were just idiots. I mean, they knew somebody was up there but then are all scurrying around like idiots. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 5:49:43 PM EST
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ABC Nightly News just reported that Crooks bought items including firearms using aliases. How’s that possible if done through an ffl? Also dispels the “father’s gun” claim as to why he didn’t use a scope. He had other guns apparently.
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Posted: 7/29/2024 5:51:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: ABC Nightly News just reported that Crooks bought items including firearms using aliases. How’s that possible if done through an ffl? Also dispels the “father’s gun” claim as to why he didn’t use a scope. He had other guns apparently. Doesn’t mean he was smart enough to use something else. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 5:53:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: ABC Nightly News just reported that Crooks bought items including firearms using aliases. How’s that possible if done through an ffl? Also dispels the “father’s gun” claim as to why he didn’t use a scope. He had other guns apparently. Fits the universal background check BS |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 5:57:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Probablynotacop: Is there a non-commie search engine? |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 6:02:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StretchMaK: Fits the universal background check BS Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StretchMaK: Originally Posted By JohnnyLoco: ABC Nightly News just reported that Crooks bought items including firearms using aliases. How’s that possible if done through an ffl? Also dispels the “father’s gun” claim as to why he didn’t use a scope. He had other guns apparently. Fits the universal background check BS They're just throwing out whatever they can make up that follows the commie narrative until somebody counters their BS. Typical.
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Posted: 7/29/2024 6:17:16 PM EST
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Did anyone already point out in the latest video, the one closest to the building with the cops surrounding it, that after the shots there were about half dozen or more UC cops. Some may have been bike cops with blue shirts and khaki shorts, but there were some interesting looking cops with guns drawn. I'm not saying I'm surprised that they're there in the first place, just that they were pretty close, and they were dressed for UC work.
So lots more cops in proximity to that building than we first understood. There is just no evidence that there was a lack of LEO at one pivotal end of this. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 6:21:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: JohnnyLoco]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DM1975: Doesn’t mean he was smart enough to use something else. So he went to the place just knowing he was going to get a >150yrd shot, which most of us still would opt for some magnification, and he knew there would be a building unprotected with clear view within that range and that he could waltz up to that building because it was outside the perimeter? So he just got that lucky? He did all sorts of other planning apparently but never thought “jeez I might have to take shot beyond 300 yards, might need a scope”? And he was planning on taking a headshot. Yeah…..no he’s just dumb And if he’s a demolition ranch fan, did he miss the long range or sniper vids? |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 6:25:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DM1975: Doesn’t mean he was smart enough to use something else. He had the holosun AEMS. Everybody who has that little chinese TV red dot thinks they are hot shit.  He was a cocky little tard. And I guess for good reason. He outsmarted the secret service and got shots off. It was just dumb luck that trump moved his head and the wind was gusting enough to take the bullet off coarse. Otherwise, his plan would have been good enough. I bet he probably died thinking he succeeded, too. He got his shot off, trump stopped talking and hit the deck. From 150yd, it probably looked like mission accomplished. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 6:26:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: APPARITION]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: ABC Nightly News just reported that Crooks bought items including firearms using aliases. How’s that possible if done through an ffl? Also dispels the “father’s gun” claim as to why he didn’t use a scope. He had other guns apparently. Why didn’t he use a firearm he bought for himself then? I haven’t seen where it wasn’t his fathers. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 6:30:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: So he went to the place just knowing he was going to get a >150yrd shot, which most of us still would opt for some magnification, and he knew there would be a building unprotected with clear view within that range and that he could waltz up to that building because it was outside the perimeter? So he just got that lucky? He did all sorts of other planning apparently but never thought “jeez I might have to take shot beyond 300 yards, might need a scope”? And he was planning on taking a headshot. Yeah…..no he’s just dumb Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: Originally Posted By DM1975: Doesn’t mean he was smart enough to use something else. So he went to the place just knowing he was going to get a >150yrd shot, which most of us still would opt for some magnification, and he knew there would be a building unprotected with clear view within that range and that he could waltz up to that building because it was outside the perimeter? So he just got that lucky? He did all sorts of other planning apparently but never thought “jeez I might have to take shot beyond 300 yards, might need a scope”? And he was planning on taking a headshot. Yeah…..no he’s just dumb Buddy there is just as much if not more assumption being made with what you’re saying. Plus you’re giving him a ton of credit. 150 yards isn’t very far and him being from there he likely knew the layout well enough. He didn’t have to know there was an unprotected building. He was obviously scouting for a location when he was spotted with a range finder and shown milling around the area in videos. Just because he had purchased guns doesn’t mean he had purchased anything that would have been better than what he used. He was probably comfortable enough with the rifle to use it. 150 yards is not a difficult shot. Using a red dot might not be ideal but it is very extremely doable, especially from the prone. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 6:30:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: JohnnyLoco]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By giantpune: He had the holosun AEMS. Everybody who has that little chinese TV red dot thinks they are hot shit. He was a cocky little tard. And I guess for good reason. He outsmarted the secret service and got shots off. It was just dumb luck that trump moved his head and the wind was gusting enough to take the bullet off coarse. Otherwise, his plan would have been good enough. I bet he probably died thinking he succeeded, too. He got his shot off, trump stopped talking and hit the deck. From 150yd, it probably looked like mission accomplished. Even if, he just happened to know his shot was going to be in that range. How? If it’s true he shot a bit, he has to be aware of the limitations of a red dot at precision beyond 100 yards, especially wearing glasses and everything. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 6:34:35 PM EST
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House assembles bipartisan task force to investigate Trump shooting
 House assembles bipartisan task force to investigate Trump shooting | Vargas Reports House leadership announced the seven Republicans and six Democrats who will sit on the task force to investigate the assassination attempt against former President Donald Trump. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 6:45:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: JohnnyLoco]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DM1975: Buddy there is just as much if not more assumption being made with what you’re saying. Plus you’re giving him a ton of credit. 150 yards isn’t very far and him being from there he likely knew the layout well enough. He didn’t have to know there was an unprotected building. He was obviously scouting for a location when he was spotted with a range finder and shown milling around the area in videos. Just because he had purchased guns doesn’t mean he had purchased anything that would have been better than what he used. He was probably comfortable enough with the rifle to use it. 150 yards is not a difficult shot. Using a red dot might not be ideal but it is very extremely doable, especially from the prone. Hey that’s completely plausible but doesn’t seem likely. He would go through that amount of recon to know he would get a close shot, even though he lived 40 miles away, had a job, parents who called police when he’s not home by 1pm, also bomb building, remote detonators, van, supplies, buying guns, drone surveillance, range finding, etc. But he never thought he may have to take a longer shot? Although anyone who might fancy taking out a president with presumably tons of security would think the more likely range would be at least 600 yards. Got it |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 6:48:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John_Wayne777:
Well...this video is compelling. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 6:52:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTone03: Did anyone already point out in the latest video, the one closest to the building with the cops surrounding it, that after the shots there were about half dozen or more UC cops. Some may have been bike cops with blue shirts and khaki shorts, but there were some interesting looking cops with guns drawn. I'm not saying I'm surprised that they're there in the first place, just that they were pretty close, and they were dressed for UC work. So lots more cops in proximity to that building than we first understood. There is just no evidence that there was a lack of LEO at one pivotal end of this. So create a bubble of permissability with UC, so that the patsy won't get scared off of the objective with all the badges dangling around? |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 6:54:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: Even if, he just happened to know his shot was going to be in that range. How? If it’s true he shot a bit, he has to be aware of the limitations of a red dot at precision beyond 100 yards, especially wearing glasses and everything. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: Originally Posted By giantpune: He had the holosun AEMS. Everybody who has that little chinese TV red dot thinks they are hot shit. He was a cocky little tard. And I guess for good reason. He outsmarted the secret service and got shots off. It was just dumb luck that trump moved his head and the wind was gusting enough to take the bullet off coarse. Otherwise, his plan would have been good enough. I bet he probably died thinking he succeeded, too. He got his shot off, trump stopped talking and hit the deck. From 150yd, it probably looked like mission accomplished. Even if, he just happened to know his shot was going to be in that range. How? If it’s true he shot a bit, he has to be aware of the limitations of a red dot at precision beyond 100 yards, especially wearing glasses and everything. The range he was a member at went out to 200 yards. Again, the red dot is perfectly capable of this shot, and he came within under an inch at 150 in a high pressure situation, something he has never been in before. And Trump moved at just the right time, otherwise it would have been a hit. There were numerous avenues he could have taken in that area under 200 yards, the distance in which he had practice. You’re caught up on completely irrelevant and inane stuff. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 6:55:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: savage_winchester]
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Going to throw up a random link to the mainstream media reporting the “aliases used to buy 25 firearms online” for reference.
Yahoo news And 2 thoughts.. 1. Why would he even need an “alias” to purchase a firearm online? Was he prohibited from buying a firearm himself already? Ordering a handgun under 21 y/o? This makes no sense to me. Not to mention he’d have to have a transfer done at an FFL, showing ID, with a 4473 and background check, right? Wtf are they talking about with this alias BS? 2. They’re reporting his supposed movements, ladder shopping, surveillance on the fairgrounds, whatever else on the 13th. They say he got his rifle and said “he was going to the range…” Where does the parents telephone call to police fit in this timeline. That telephone call seems to have dropped off the map. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 6:57:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: LittleBigHorn]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: Hey that’s completely plausible but doesn’t seem likely. He would go through that amount of recon to know he would get a close shot, even though he lived 40 miles away, had a job, parents who called police when he’s not home by 1pm, also bomb building, remote detonators, van, supplies, buying guns, drone surveillance, range finding, etc. But he never thought he may have to take a longer shot? Although anyone who might fancy taking out a president with presumably tons of security would think the more likely range would be at least 600 yards. Got it Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: Originally Posted By DM1975: Buddy there is just as much if not more assumption being made with what you’re saying. Plus you’re giving him a ton of credit. 150 yards isn’t very far and him being from there he likely knew the layout well enough. He didn’t have to know there was an unprotected building. He was obviously scouting for a location when he was spotted with a range finder and shown milling around the area in videos. Just because he had purchased guns doesn’t mean he had purchased anything that would have been better than what he used. He was probably comfortable enough with the rifle to use it. 150 yards is not a difficult shot. Using a red dot might not be ideal but it is very extremely doable, especially from the prone. Hey that’s completely plausible but doesn’t seem likely. He would go through that amount of recon to know he would get a close shot, even though he lived 40 miles away, had a job, parents who called police when he’s not home by 1pm, also bomb building, remote detonators, van, supplies, buying guns, drone surveillance, range finding, etc. But he never thought he may have to take a longer shot? Although anyone who might fancy taking out a president with presumably tons of security would think the more likely range would be at least 600 yards. Got it Read previous pages |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 7:04:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: Hey that’s completely plausible but doesn’t seem likely. He would go through that amount of recon to know he would get a close shot, even though he lived 40 miles away, had a job, parents who called police when he’s not home by 1pm, also bomb building, remote detonators, van, supplies, buying guns, drone surveillance, range finding, etc. But he never thought he may have to take a longer shot? Although anyone who might fancy taking out a president with presumably tons of security would think the more likely range would be at least 600 yards. Got it Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: Originally Posted By DM1975: Buddy there is just as much if not more assumption being made with what you’re saying. Plus you’re giving him a ton of credit. 150 yards isn’t very far and him being from there he likely knew the layout well enough. He didn’t have to know there was an unprotected building. He was obviously scouting for a location when he was spotted with a range finder and shown milling around the area in videos. Just because he had purchased guns doesn’t mean he had purchased anything that would have been better than what he used. He was probably comfortable enough with the rifle to use it. 150 yards is not a difficult shot. Using a red dot might not be ideal but it is very extremely doable, especially from the prone. Hey that’s completely plausible but doesn’t seem likely. He would go through that amount of recon to know he would get a close shot, even though he lived 40 miles away, had a job, parents who called police when he’s not home by 1pm, also bomb building, remote detonators, van, supplies, buying guns, drone surveillance, range finding, etc. But he never thought he may have to take a longer shot? Although anyone who might fancy taking out a president with presumably tons of security would think the more likely range would be at least 600 yards. Got it Probably he likely didn’t have more than a general idea of where to shoot from till he got there and scouted out the area. He probably was scouting around in order “to” find a place with low LE presence. 40 mikes away is not far, and being a fairground he likely had been there before. Didn’t know what having a job has to do with any of this? Parents called the police yes, but did they call saying they thought he was gonna kill Trump or that he was just missing, from a place 40 miles away as you have pointed out??? Bomb building and remote detention? Internet most definitely exists with plenty of info on that kinda thing, having a van doesn’t make you an assassin. It doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to bring supporting equipment. Buying guns doesn’t make you an assassin or even capable of knowing what to buy for any particular reason. Using drones is not an uncommon thought process for younger people, they are used for everything now days and on video games and all over the internet being used for everything under the sun. He likely brought the range finder so he could find a location close enough that he was comfortable with. Is some of this suspect? Yes. Is there anything else to support those suspicions? No. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 7:04:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Crash_Test_Dhimmi: So create a bubble of permissability with UC, so that the patsy won't get scared off of the objective with all the badges dangling around? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Crash_Test_Dhimmi: Originally Posted By CTone03: Did anyone already point out in the latest video, the one closest to the building with the cops surrounding it, that after the shots there were about half dozen or more UC cops. Some may have been bike cops with blue shirts and khaki shorts, but there were some interesting looking cops with guns drawn. I'm not saying I'm surprised that they're there in the first place, just that they were pretty close, and they were dressed for UC work. So lots more cops in proximity to that building than we first understood. There is just no evidence that there was a lack of LEO at one pivotal end of this. So create a bubble of permissability with UC, so that the patsy won't get scared off of the objective with all the badges dangling around? |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 7:06:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTone03: Maybe. I do wonder who they are. It definitely turns away the point that there wasn't enough LEO on that end to track, close with and have a chat with a suspect. Where were they during the chatter about someone suspicious? There was more then enough time and resources, clearly. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTone03: Originally Posted By Crash_Test_Dhimmi: Originally Posted By CTone03: Did anyone already point out in the latest video, the one closest to the building with the cops surrounding it, that after the shots there were about half dozen or more UC cops. Some may have been bike cops with blue shirts and khaki shorts, but there were some interesting looking cops with guns drawn. I'm not saying I'm surprised that they're there in the first place, just that they were pretty close, and they were dressed for UC work. So lots more cops in proximity to that building than we first understood. There is just no evidence that there was a lack of LEO at one pivotal end of this. So create a bubble of permissability with UC, so that the patsy won't get scared off of the objective with all the badges dangling around? We do know the FBI was on site. I don’t know if that is normal protocol or not. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 7:08:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By savage_winchester: Going to throw up a random link to the mainstream media reporting the “aliases used to buy 25 firearms online” for reference. Yahoo news And 2 thoughts.. 1. Why would he even need an “alias” to purchase a firearm online? Was he prohibited from buying a firearm himself already? Ordering a handgun under 21 y/o? This makes no sense to me. Not to mention he’d have to have a transfer done at an FFL, showing ID, with a 4473 and background check, right? Wtf are they talking about with this alias BS? 2. They’re reporting his supposed movements, ladder shopping, surveillance on the fairgrounds, whatever else on the 13th. They say he got his rifle and said “he was going to the range…” Where does the parents telephone call to police fit in this timeline. That telephone call seems to have dropped off the map. Just FBI getting ready the gun control narrative. Dang 25 guns with aliases and no scopes? Other stuff has seemed to gone off the map or memory holed, like the report that he was denied entry to the rally. Would that have been the first clue to keep an eye on him? |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 7:14:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DM1975: Probably he likely didn’t have more than a general idea of where to shoot from till he got there and scouted out the area. He probably was scouting around in order “to” find a place with low LE presence. 40 mikes away is not far, and being a fairground he likely had been there before. Didn’t know what having a job has to do with any of this? Parents called the police yes, but did they call saying they thought he was gonna kill Trump or that he was just missing, from a place 40 miles away as you have pointed out??? Bomb building and remote detention? Internet most definitely exists with plenty of info on that kinda thing, having a van doesn’t make you an assassin. It doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to bring supporting equipment. Buying guns doesn’t make you an assassin or even capable of knowing what to buy for any particular reason. Using drones is not an uncommon thought process for younger people, they are used for everything now days and on video games and all over the internet being used for everything under the sun. He likely brought the range finder so he could find a location close enough that he was comfortable with. Is some of this suspect? Yes. Is there anything else to support those suspicions? No. That’s some mental gymnastics there. He was definitely prepared and did all the right things but just happened to know he wouldn’t need a scope. Bought 25 guns though supposedly. Watched demolition ranch supposedly. Do you know any other gun guy, no matter how cocky who doesn’t like nice glass? |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 7:15:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: Just FBI getting ready the gun control narrative. Dang 25 guns with aliases and no scopes? Other stuff has seemed to gone off the map or memory holed, like the report that he was denied entry to the rally. Would that have been the first clue to keep an eye on him? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: Originally Posted By savage_winchester: Going to throw up a random link to the mainstream media reporting the “aliases used to buy 25 firearms online” for reference. Yahoo news And 2 thoughts.. 1. Why would he even need an “alias” to purchase a firearm online? Was he prohibited from buying a firearm himself already? Ordering a handgun under 21 y/o? This makes no sense to me. Not to mention he’d have to have a transfer done at an FFL, showing ID, with a 4473 and background check, right? Wtf are they talking about with this alias BS? 2. They’re reporting his supposed movements, ladder shopping, surveillance on the fairgrounds, whatever else on the 13th. They say he got his rifle and said “he was going to the range…” Where does the parents telephone call to police fit in this timeline. That telephone call seems to have dropped off the map. Just FBI getting ready the gun control narrative. Dang 25 guns with aliases and no scopes? Other stuff has seemed to gone off the map or memory holed, like the report that he was denied entry to the rally. Would that have been the first clue to keep an eye on him? None of this means he had any outside help. More than likely if he did have any outside help it was probably someone he befriended on line pushing an already primed individual to do something irrational. As for there being plenty of clues that he was up to something, yes there was and it was completely mismanaged. Allowed to happen? Maybe. Conspiracy with training and a second shooter? Highly unlikely. You have to consider the fact that even amongst trained individuals that fuck ups happen. If this was not the case then no plane would ever crash due to pilot error and no special ops soldier would ever die in combat. As watered down as the government has made these positions in law enforcement and the secret service it is really no surprise that we get a series of bad mistakes. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 7:16:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: That’s some mental gymnastics there. He was definitely prepared and did all the right things but just happened to know he wouldn’t need a scope. Bought 25 guns though supposedly. Watched demolition ranch supposedly. Do you know any other gun guy, no matter how cocky who doesn’t like nice glass? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: Originally Posted By DM1975: Probably he likely didn’t have more than a general idea of where to shoot from till he got there and scouted out the area. He probably was scouting around in order “to” find a place with low LE presence. 40 mikes away is not far, and being a fairground he likely had been there before. Didn’t know what having a job has to do with any of this? Parents called the police yes, but did they call saying they thought he was gonna kill Trump or that he was just missing, from a place 40 miles away as you have pointed out??? Bomb building and remote detention? Internet most definitely exists with plenty of info on that kinda thing, having a van doesn’t make you an assassin. It doesn’t take a rocket surgeon to bring supporting equipment. Buying guns doesn’t make you an assassin or even capable of knowing what to buy for any particular reason. Using drones is not an uncommon thought process for younger people, they are used for everything now days and on video games and all over the internet being used for everything under the sun. He likely brought the range finder so he could find a location close enough that he was comfortable with. Is some of this suspect? Yes. Is there anything else to support those suspicions? No. That’s some mental gymnastics there. He was definitely prepared and did all the right things but just happened to know he wouldn’t need a scope. Bought 25 guns though supposedly. Watched demolition ranch supposedly. Do you know any other gun guy, no matter how cocky who doesn’t like nice glass? You obviously have not seen the plethora of iron sight proponents on this site. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 7:17:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittleBigHorn: We do know the FBI was on site. I don’t know if that is normal protocol or not. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittleBigHorn: Originally Posted By CTone03: Originally Posted By Crash_Test_Dhimmi: Originally Posted By CTone03: Did anyone already point out in the latest video, the one closest to the building with the cops surrounding it, that after the shots there were about half dozen or more UC cops. Some may have been bike cops with blue shirts and khaki shorts, but there were some interesting looking cops with guns drawn. I'm not saying I'm surprised that they're there in the first place, just that they were pretty close, and they were dressed for UC work. So lots more cops in proximity to that building than we first understood. There is just no evidence that there was a lack of LEO at one pivotal end of this. So create a bubble of permissability with UC, so that the patsy won't get scared off of the objective with all the badges dangling around? We do know the FBI was on site. I don’t know if that is normal protocol or not. It's just not acceptable for a suspicious individual to be among so many cops, some not readily identifiable, and act so suspiciously and draw enough attention to get pictured and have a LEO text thread. For so long, and nobody made contact. There were resources close and available, and at least some of them had to be privy to official comms saying this guy is using a rangefinder. . . . so what happened? I'm just asking questions and I appreciate the responses. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 7:19:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: Other stuff has seemed to gone off the map or memory holed, like the report that he was denied entry to the rally. Would that have been the first clue to keep an eye on him? I remember that report, they claimed he set off a metal detector or something iirc? |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 7/29/2024 7:20:06 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: That’s some mental gymnastics there. He was definitely prepared and did all the right things but just happened to know he wouldn’t need a scope. Bought 25 guns though supposedly. Watched demolition ranch supposedly. Do you know any other gun guy, no matter how cocky who doesn’t like nice glass? Like or afford nice glass? Some broke dick 20yr student old working in a nursing home kitchen isn't buying acogs and nightforces. That $400 holosun was ballin for him. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 7:21:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: savage_winchester]
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DM1975: None of this means he had any outside help. More than likely if he did have any outside help it was probably someone he befriended on line pushing an already primed individual to do something irrational. As for there being plenty of clues that he was up to something, yes there was and it was completely mismanaged. Allowed to happen? Maybe. Conspiracy with training and a second shooter? Highly unlikely. You have to consider the fact that even amongst trained individuals that fuck ups happen. If this was not the case then no plane would ever crash due to pilot error and no special ops soldier would ever die in combat. As watered down as the government has made these positions in law enforcement and the secret service it is really no surprise that we get a series of bad mistakes. I’m not saying or suggesting anything about outside help, second shooter, conspiracy or otherwise in my post. Just genuine questions regarding this new “online gun purchases using aliases” story, And I feel we are not being told the whole story on his parents phone call to the police prior to the shooting. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/29/2024 7:22:39 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DM1975: You obviously have not seen the plethora of iron sight proponents on this site. Lol. I’m looking at 140 yards off my front porch right now. He ain’t attempting a head shot with a red dot at that range, wearing glasses, rushed, on a hot roof. Center mass, probably. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 7:22:57 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By savage_winchester: Going to throw up a random link to the mainstream media reporting the “aliases used to buy 25 firearms online” for reference. Yahoo news And 2 thoughts.. 1. Why would he even need an “alias” to purchase a firearm online? Was he prohibited from buying a firearm himself already? Ordering a handgun under 21 y/o? This makes no sense to me. Not to mention he’d have to have a transfer done at an FFL, showing ID, with a 4473 and background check, right? Wtf are they talking about with this alias BS? 2. They’re reporting his supposed movements, ladder shopping, surveillance on the fairgrounds, whatever else on the 13th. They say he got his rifle and said “he was going to the range…” Where does the parents telephone call to police fit in this timeline. That telephone call seems to have dropped off the map. I like how they just throw out the tidbit that he bought 25 guns using an alias (a pretty big tidbit) and then don't touch on that subject beyond that. What alias? How did he get an alias, fake id? How was this discovered by law enforcement? Where did he buy the guns? When did he buy them? What did he buy? How did he pay for all of them? Where did he keep the guns? He lived at home. You would think his parents would notice them. Were they still at his house? |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 7:23:13 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By savage_winchester: I’m not saying or suggesting anything about outside help, second shooter, conspiracy or otherwise in my post. Just genuine questions. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By savage_winchester: Originally Posted By DM1975: None of this means he had any outside help. More than likely if he did have any outside help it was probably someone he befriended on line pushing an already primed individual to do something irrational. As for there being plenty of clues that he was up to something, yes there was and it was completely mismanaged. Allowed to happen? Maybe. Conspiracy with training and a second shooter? Highly unlikely. You have to consider the fact that even amongst trained individuals that fuck ups happen. If this was not the case then no plane would ever crash due to pilot error and no special ops soldier would ever die in combat. As watered down as the government has made these positions in law enforcement and the secret service it is really no surprise that we get a series of bad mistakes. I’m not saying or suggesting anything about outside help, second shooter, conspiracy or otherwise in my post. Just genuine questions. Yes, that was not a reply to you. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 7:23:14 PM EST
[#38]
This whole fiasco stinks more and more every day.
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Posted: 7/29/2024 7:23:58 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By giantpune: Like or afford nice glass? Some broke dick 20yr student old working in a nursing home kitchen isn't buying acogs and nightforces. That $400 holosun was ballin for him. FBI said he bought 25 guns. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 7:26:20 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: Lol. I’m looking at 140 yards off my front porch right now. He ain’t attempting a head shot with a red dot at that range, wearing glasses, rushed, on a hot roof. Center mass, probably. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: Originally Posted By DM1975: You obviously have not seen the plethora of iron sight proponents on this site. Lol. I’m looking at 140 yards off my front porch right now. He ain’t attempting a head shot with a red dot at that range, wearing glasses, rushed, on a hot roof. Center mass, probably. It isnt a hard shot to make. Also he likely had no clue of what it takes to take a shot in a high pressure situation. Furthermore he probably thought all the planning that he did do was good enough to allow him to shoot and disappear into the crowd. Not unheard of to have a 20 year old think that they’re newrly invincible. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 7:26:54 PM EST
[#41]
Also, it took most of us some years to afford “25 guns”
Even if it’s 25 $250 dollar guns, which is unlikely, that’s not chump change to a 18-20 y/o student making $16 an hour. Student loan checks maybe, idk. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 7:28:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: savage_winchester]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cycolac: This whole fiasco stinks more and more every day. For all the different discussions in this thread, very few would disagree with that statement. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 7:29:24 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: Lol. I’m looking at 140 yards off my front porch right now. He ain’t attempting a head shot with a red dot at that range, wearing glasses, rushed, on a hot roof. Center mass, probably. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: Originally Posted By DM1975: You obviously have not seen the plethora of iron sight proponents on this site. Lol. I’m looking at 140 yards off my front porch right now. He ain’t attempting a head shot with a red dot at that range, wearing glasses, rushed, on a hot roof. Center mass, probably. Also, considering the more obvious answers to what you laid out is not mental gymnastics. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 7:30:33 PM EST
[#44]
The 25 guns thing needs to stop. It was 25 gun related purchases per the actual briefing.
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Posted: 7/29/2024 7:32:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: savage_winchester]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittleBigHorn: The 25 guns thing needs to stop. It was 25 gun related purchases per the actual briefing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittleBigHorn: The 25 guns thing needs to stop. It was 25 gun related purchases per the actual briefing. I don’t expect integrity or accuracy in mainstream media reporting, but that’s what they’re reporting. Federal investigators say starting in the spring of 2023, Crooks used an alias to buy 25 different firearms online. Edit- I didn’t see this briefing, I only saw the “news articles”. Every one I saw said the same thing. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 7:33:56 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: FBI said he bought 25 guns. Then he damn sure didn't have money for "nice glass". |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 7:34:22 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: Lol. I’m looking at 140 yards off my front porch right now. He ain’t attempting a head shot with a red dot at that range, wearing glasses, rushed, on a hot roof. Center mass, probably. This is what im thinking. He took his highest percentage shot, center of mass, and missed high and left hitting Trump’s ear. We’re all focused on thinking he was aiming for a headshot because that’s what he actually hit, fortunately it was only a grazing wound. We’ll never know for sure. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 7:34:51 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By savage_winchester: I don’t expect integrity or accuracy in mainstream media reporting, but that’s what they’re reporting. Federal investigators say starting in the spring of 2023, Crooks used an alias to buy 25 different firearms online. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By savage_winchester: Originally Posted By LittleBigHorn: The 25 guns thing needs to stop. It was 25 gun related purchases per the actual briefing. I don’t expect integrity or accuracy in mainstream media reporting, but that’s what they’re reporting. Federal investigators say starting in the spring of 2023, Crooks used an alias to buy 25 different firearms online. On the same side of the coin you can’t assume it was 25 guns, or gun related purchases for an attempted assassination. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 7:35:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: LittleBigHorn]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By savage_winchester: I don’t expect integrity or accuracy in mainstream media reporting, but that’s what they’re reporting. Federal investigators say starting in the spring of 2023, Crooks used an alias to buy 25 different firearms online. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By savage_winchester: Originally Posted By LittleBigHorn: The 25 guns thing needs to stop. It was 25 gun related purchases per the actual briefing. I don’t expect integrity or accuracy in mainstream media reporting, but that’s what they’re reporting. Federal investigators say starting in the spring of 2023, Crooks used an alias to buy 25 different firearms online. The actual quote; Rojek: “Starting in the spring of 2023, the subject made more than 25 different firearms related purchases from online firearms vendor using an alias.” |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 7:35:39 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1982fxr: This is what im thinking. He took his highest percentage shot, center of mass, and missed high and left hitting Trump’s ear. We’re all focused on thinking he was aiming for a headshot because that’s what he actually hit, fortunately it was only a grazing wound. We’ll never know for sure. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1982fxr: Originally Posted By JohnnyLoco: Lol. I’m looking at 140 yards off my front porch right now. He ain’t attempting a head shot with a red dot at that range, wearing glasses, rushed, on a hot roof. Center mass, probably. This is what im thinking. He took his highest percentage shot, center of mass, and missed high and left hitting Trump’s ear. We’re all focused on thinking he was aiming for a headshot because that’s what he actually hit, fortunately it was only a grazing wound. We’ll never know for sure. This is a very good point |
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