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Link Posted: 8/8/2024 2:11:05 PM EST
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Mighty fine work there.
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 2:13:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By P229SAS:
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I told yall homeboy didnt have a broke foot. Does anyone remember who said that in the interview. It was one of the locals. What a liar.
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 2:13:44 PM EST
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What a cluster fuck.
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What a cluster fuck.


That's an understatement. All that going on and the SS was unaware, hard to believe.
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 2:17:00 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TinSpinner:


That's an understatement. All that going on and the SS was unaware, hard to believe.
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What a cluster fuck.


That's an understatement. All that going on and the SS was unaware, hard to believe.

Yeah, and these guys were improvising at this point and reacting to a vague threat about a suspicious person.  The real problem is still upstream; roof-peeker shouldn't have had to check that roof because there should have been no way for a shooter to get into that position.
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 2:18:40 PM EST
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Looks like he pussed out real bad. He’s not hanging off the roof, he’s almost on it it looks like. I don’t even see Crooks after pausing several frames. You gotta think, he could have saved a life even if he was shot, it would have alerted everyone. Instead, turn tail just like those cowards in Uvalde.
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 2:23:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JohnnyLoco:


Looks like he pussed out real bad. He’s not hanging off the roof, he’s almost on it it looks like. I don’t even see Crooks after pausing several frames. You gotta think, he could have saved a life even if he was shot, it would have alerted everyone. Instead, turn tail just like those cowards in Uvalde.
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Originally Posted By JohnnyLoco:


Looks like he pussed out real bad. He’s not hanging off the roof, he’s almost on it it looks like. I don’t even see Crooks after pausing several frames. You gotta think, he could have saved a life even if he was shot, it would have alerted everyone. Instead, turn tail just like those cowards in Uvalde.


Body cams aren't at eye level, he could see a lot more on the roof than the video shows
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 2:23:23 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JohnnyLoco:


Looks like he pussed out real bad. He’s not hanging off the roof, he’s almost on it it looks like. I don’t even see Crooks after pausing several frames. You gotta think, he could have saved a life even if he was shot, it would have alerted everyone. Instead, turn tail just like those cowards in Uvalde.
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He may have assumed the SS were, you know, doing their fucking jobs, and would shoot that guy any second.....  


Link Posted: 8/8/2024 2:24:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JohnnyLoco:


Looks like he pussed out real bad. He’s not hanging off the roof, he’s almost on it it looks like. I don’t even see Crooks after pausing several frames. You gotta think, he could have saved a life even if he was shot, it would have alerted everyone. Instead, turn tail just like those cowards in Uvalde.
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could you tell if he already had his pistol drawn when he got on the roof or did he draw it after jumping down?
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 2:27:52 PM EST
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Originally Posted By PortaJohnPicasso:


He may have assumed the SS were, you know, doing their fucking jobs, and would shoot that guy any second.....  


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Is that why there’s no audio for the first minute, was he radioing it in and there’s stuff they don’t want you to hear or are they just trying to cover up him being an incompetent pussy?
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 2:29:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bama_Rebel:

could you tell if he already had his pistol drawn when he got on the roof or did he draw it after jumping down?
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No, I couldn’t tell, but it looks like if he had half way decent upper body strength he could have pressed himself up in the roof, rolled then drawn
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 2:44:19 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JohnnyLoco:


No, I couldn’t tell, but it looks like if he had half way decent upper body strength he could have pressed himself up in the roof, rolled then drawn
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yep. especially with a gutter there. They're usually kinda flimsy. The only time I noticed the sidearm was when he was bumbling around with patrol rifle. That looked awful. He could barely get the mag in and then struggled to chamber it.
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 2:53:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JohnnyLoco:

Looks like he pussed out real bad. He’s not hanging off the roof, he’s almost on it it looks like. I don’t even see Crooks after pausing several frames. You gotta think, he could have saved a life even if he was shot, it would have alerted everyone. Instead, turn tail just like those cowards in Uvalde.
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He probably thought he was gonna chase off some Instagram punk trying to get a clear view for footage, but instead it's a dude proned out with an AR.  That's a pretty hard downshift and probably takes a few milliseconds to sink in.  'Flee' reflex probably kicked in and took over before he even had time to completely process everything.
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 2:57:25 PM EST
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Soooo....why no audio during the time he was radioing stuff in?  And when the shots were being fired?

Link Posted: 8/8/2024 3:41:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bama_Rebel:

I told yall homeboy didnt have a broke foot. Does anyone remember who said that in the interview. It was one of the locals. What a liar.
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How do we know its not broke?  It not like when your shit breaks, you can't walk and run.  There's been UFC interviews with the winner  where their toe was fucking sideways.
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 3:58:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By marnsdorff:
Soooo....why no audio during the time he was radioing stuff in?  And when the shots were being fired?

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Body cams normally are not always on, it would take up too much storage space and have to be overwritten often.  But they are always capturing a rolling "buffer" of video with no audio.  The length of this buffer is usually only a minute or two, and it constantly deletes the beginning of that short buffer as it captures the newer part.  The purpose of this is so when something happens that requires recording and the officer activates the camera, there is that short buffer video portion saved before the activation in case any relevant information is present and captured there leading up to the activation.

The wearer has to push a button on the unit to activate the recording, which normally they do when they start traffic stops, etc.  You see the cop reach up to the camera and start the recording right after he takes the rifle out of the case, the no-audio bit up to that point is the pre-buffered video.  If you watch any of those police traffic stop or pursuit videos with body cams, you'll notice a lot of them have an initial period like that as well with no audio, same thing.
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 3:59:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By marnsdorff:
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Sound only kicks on once they turn the camera on. Before that, cameras record only video with no sound on a continuous loop. Once the button is hit, XX seconds of video before the button is hit is saved but without audio.

Watch enough police videos they all are like this. It's not some conspiracy.
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 4:34:32 PM EST
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Originally Posted By giantpune:

How do we know its not broke?  It not like when your shit breaks, you can't walk and run.  There's been UFC interviews with the winner  where their toe was fucking sideways.
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Originally Posted By Bama_Rebel:

I told yall homeboy didnt have a broke foot. Does anyone remember who said that in the interview. It was one of the locals. What a liar.

How do we know its not broke?  It not like when your shit breaks, you can't walk and run.  There's been UFC interviews with the winner  where their toe was fucking sideways.

Link Posted: 8/8/2024 5:19:05 PM EST
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“I f**king told [the Secret Service] they need to post the guys f**king over here. I told them that, the f**king, the Secret Service, I told them that f**king Tuesday. I told them to post f**king guys over here.”

“I wasn’t even concerned about it because I thought someone was on the roof. How in the hell can you lose a guy walking back here?”

“They were inside!”
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Link Posted: 8/8/2024 5:31:22 PM EST
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Man he sure got up in that roof fast once he had a rifle and it was after the fact and a bunch of other leo around. Just like Uvalde are these cops taught not to engage a rifle shooter with their service weapon/pistol? Or just plain pussy?
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 5:38:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By midmo:

He probably thought he was gonna chase off some Instagram punk trying to get a clear view for footage, but instead it's a dude proned out with an AR.  That's a pretty hard downshift and probably takes a few milliseconds to sink in.  'Flee' reflex probably kicked in and took over before he even had time to completely process everything.
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Originally Posted By JohnnyLoco:

Looks like he pussed out real bad. He’s not hanging off the roof, he’s almost on it it looks like. I don’t even see Crooks after pausing several frames. You gotta think, he could have saved a life even if he was shot, it would have alerted everyone. Instead, turn tail just like those cowards in Uvalde.

He probably thought he was gonna chase off some Instagram punk trying to get a clear view for footage, but instead it's a dude proned out with an AR.  That's a pretty hard downshift and probably takes a few milliseconds to sink in.  'Flee' reflex probably kicked in and took over before he even had time to completely process everything.


NO.
People had been yelling and pointing to a guy WITH A GUN ON THE ROOF.

That's why he was hustling front to back and then in circles.
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 5:42:26 PM EST
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NO.
People had been yelling and pointing to a guy WITH A GUN ON THE ROOF.

That's why he was hustling front to back and then in circles.
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Why didn’t he try to get back on or find another spot to climb up? He runs off to his car like he’s a teenage girl.

At the end of the day the sheriff or whoever told another bs story, just like Uvalde, of him barely hanging there and falling 8 feet. Their ass needs to be held accountable for that, lying sacks of shot, typical cops.
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 5:50:18 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bama_Rebel:

I told yall homeboy didnt have a broke foot. Does anyone remember who said that in the interview. It was one of the locals. What a liar.
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Originally Posted By Bama_Rebel:
Originally Posted By P229SAS:
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I told yall homeboy didnt have a broke foot. Does anyone remember who said that in the interview. It was one of the locals. What a liar.

It was the Butler Township Manager Tom Knights.

He never said he had a broken foot, just that he injured an ankle in the fall and was in a walking boot.
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 5:56:29 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JohnnyLoco:


Why didn’t he try to get back on or find another spot to climb up? He runs off to his car like he’s a teenage girl.

At the end of the day the sheriff or whoever told another bs story, just like Uvalde, of him barely hanging there and falling 8 feet. Their ass needs to be held accountable for that, lying sacks of shot, typical cops.
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He popped his head up and had an AR pointed at it from about 20ft away.  You gonna keep poking your head up and hoping you don't get your cheeks clapped?

What I saw, he dropped back down to the ground, then ran around to get a different angle to see if he could see the guy from the ground.  He didn't.  Then he stopped by his car and fumbled around trying to deploy and load his AR like a retard fucking a doorknob.  He needs to work on those gross motor reloads.

Link Posted: 8/8/2024 5:57:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By D_Man:
Body cams normally are not always on, it would take up too much storage space and have to be overwritten often.  But they are always capturing a rolling "buffer" of video with no audio.  The length of this buffer is usually only a minute or two, and it constantly deletes the beginning of that short buffer as it captures the newer part.  The purpose of this is so when something happens that requires recording and the officer activates the camera, there is that short buffer video portion saved before the activation in case any relevant information is present and captured there leading up to the activation.

The wearer has to push a button on the unit to activate the recording, which normally they do when they start traffic stops, etc.  You see the cop reach up to the camera and start the recording right after he takes the rifle out of the case, the no-audio bit up to that point is the pre-buffered video.  If you watch any of those police traffic stop or pursuit videos with body cams, you'll notice a lot of them have an initial period like that as well with no audio, same thing.
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There’s also ways the body cam will automatically activate (no push button required) if your department has the extra add ons. Ours activate when you unholster your weapon and/or taser, turn on lights and sirens, and anytime someone activates their body camera around you your will automatically come on and record.
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 6:00:06 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JohnnyLoco:


Why didn’t he try to get back on or find another spot to climb up? He runs off to his car like he’s a teenage girl.

At the end of the day the sheriff or whoever told another bs story, just like Uvalde, of him barely hanging there and falling 8 feet. Their ass needs to be held accountable for that, lying sacks of shot, typical cops.
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NO.
People had been yelling and pointing to a guy WITH A GUN ON THE ROOF.

That's why he was hustling front to back and then in circles.


Why didn’t he try to get back on or find another spot to climb up? He runs off to his car like he’s a teenage girl.

At the end of the day the sheriff or whoever told another bs story, just like Uvalde, of him barely hanging there and falling 8 feet. Their ass needs to be held accountable for that, lying sacks of shot, typical cops.


That's such a shit take.  Have you ever had a rifle pointed at your head in such an absolutely lopsided situation?  There are a lot of sayings for this.
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 6:01:05 PM EST
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Notice him saying he told the SS to post guys on the building and that they had said that they would.
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 6:19:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JohnnyLoco:


Looks like he pussed out real bad. He’s not hanging off the roof, he’s almost on it it looks like. I don’t even see Crooks after pausing several frames. You gotta think, he could have saved a life even if he was shot, it would have alerted everyone. Instead, turn tail just like those cowards in Uvalde.
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Originally Posted By JohnnyLoco:


Looks like he pussed out real bad. He’s not hanging off the roof, he’s almost on it it looks like. I don’t even see Crooks after pausing several frames. You gotta think, he could have saved a life even if he was shot, it would have alerted everyone. Instead, turn tail just like those cowards in Uvalde.


Should have backed a cruiser up to that wall then went over the hood/roof.
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 8:44:15 PM EST
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That's such a shit take.  Have you ever had a rifle pointed at your head in such an absolutely lopsided situation?  There are a lot of sayings for this.
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He got scared and ducked/fell, fine, but he proceeds to turn tail and run the other way. He could have had that guy hoist him back up with gun drawn and maybe distracted Crooks with some shots or if he wasn’t scared in the first place and got up on the roof as fast as he did the 2nd time and drew down and let the chips fall where they may, we would be talking about a totally different story. Comperatore deserved more than what this coward offered.
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 8:50:37 PM EST
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Body cam time if correct shows he turned tail less than a minute before the first shots, so he didn’t have enough time. He lost his opportunity, probably had enough time to get hoisted up again.
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 8:52:33 PM EST
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He popped his head up and had an AR pointed at it from about 20ft away.  You gonna keep poking your head up and hoping you don't get your cheeks clapped?

What I saw, he dropped back down to the ground, then ran around to get a different angle to see if he could see the guy from the ground.  He didn't.  Then he stopped by his car and fumbled around trying to deploy and load his AR like a retard fucking a doorknob.  He needs to work on those gross motor reloads.

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What video you watching? After he falls he immediately turns tail and runs to the parking lot.
Link Posted: 8/8/2024 9:04:47 PM EST
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I heard very early on that he sprained it in the drop, which is possible, adrenalized you might not even notice.

He drops and runs straight to his cruiser for his rifle.

Downloadable copy of the footage from here: https://files.catbox.moe/h3qufv.mp4

https://www.foxnews.com/us/trump-assassination-attempt-pennsylvania-police-release-bodycam-from-deadly-butler-rally

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Trump assassination attempt: Pennsylvania police release bodycam from deadly Butler rally
Police in Pennsylvania released bodycam footage Thursday showing the chaotic moments after Thomas Matthew Crooks attempted to assassinate former President Trump
By Michael Dorgan , Audrey Conklin Fox News
Published August 8, 2024 1:17pm EDT | Updated August 8, 2024 3:17pm EDT


BUTLER, Pa. – FIRST ON FOX: Police bodycam footage obtained by Fox News Digital on Thursday through a records request shows two officers attempting to intercept Thomas Matthew Crooks on a roof seconds before he allegedly tried to assassinate former President Trump at a campaign rally last month.

The footage is taken from two officers from the Butler Township Police Department who made a desperate attempt to stop Crooks moments before he fired his DPMS AR-15 rifle, striking Trump in the ear, killing Corey Comperatore and injuring two others.  

"F---ing this close, bro. Dude, he turned around on me," the officer who was hoisted can be heard saying later on in bodycam video released Thursday.

One officer can be seen hoisting another officer onto the roof where Crooks was stationed, which is about 12 feet above the ground.

One officer signals to hoist another officer onto the roof where would-be assassin Thomas Matthew Crooks was stationed. (Butler Township Police Department)

Crooks pointed his weapon at the officer who scaled the building, before the officer ultimately ducks his head and loses his grip on the roof’s edge and falls about 8 feet to the ground, spraining his ankle, Butler Township Manager Thomas Knights previously told Fox News Digital.

The footage captures Crooks toward the end as officers surround his body after countersnipers fatally shot him.

"I'm f---ing p---ed. We couldn't find him," another officer can be heard saying in the bodycam footage.
Bodycamera footage shows an officer spotting Thomas Crooks on the roof of the AGR building seocnds before he opened fire.


Buildings that are adjacent to The Butler Farm Show, site of a campaign rally for former President Trump, are seen on July 15 in Butler, Pennsylvania. (AP Photo/Gene J. Puskar)

"Before you motherf---ers came up here, I popped my head up there like an idiot by myself, dude," the officer who was boosted onto the roof says. "Then he turned around and I f---ing dropped, and I started f---ing, I was calling out, ‘Bro, f---ing on top of the roof.’ F---ing, we’re not on the same frequency?"

Butler Township PD Lt. Matthew Pearson told a local outlet that the officer was unable to draw his weapon since he was hanging from the building.

Seconds later, Crooks opened fire and grazed Trump’s right ear. Three rallygoers were also shot, including Comperatore, 50, who was killed protecting his family from danger.

Additional footage from the Butler Township police department shows officers immediately after Crooks was neutralized:

David Dutch and James Copenhaver were injured after being shot at the rally. They have both since returned home, and Copenhaver's attorney provided an exclusive interview with Fox News Digital as he continues to recover.

Officers surround Thomas Matthew Crooks on the AGR roof after countersnipers killed him. (Butler Twp Police Dept.)

In other bodycam video, officers are clearly confused about why the roof of the American Glass Research (AGR) building, where Crooks shot from, was unmanned.

"I thought you were on the roof?" one officer says.

There also appears to be confusion about whether the shooter was neutralized and why the shooter wasn't taken out before he opened fire.

PA OFFICERS ASK WHY ROOF CROOKS SHOT FROM WAS UNMANNED

"If you’d all had a gun up there … I’d have shot him. He wouldn’t have ripped out a gun up there," one officer says in the bodycam.

The footage is the latest crucial piece of publicly available information released that attempts to shed light on exactly what transpired that day and what efforts were put in place to stop Crooks.
The Butler Farm Show, site of a campaign rally for Republican presidential candidate former President Donald Trump

The security breaches that paved the way for the shooting have been muddied by finger-pointing among the various agencies involved at the local, state and federal levels.

Acting Secret Service Director Ronald Rowe said video of someone moving along a roof minutes before Trump was shot confirms a "failure."

The video, taken by Copenhaver and exclusively obtained by Fox News Digital, shows a figure moving across the roof of the AGR building just minutes before gunfire rang out at Trump's rally.

The FBI previously revealed that Crooks had driven to the rally site at 11 a.m. on the day of the shooting and spent an hour there before heading home.

Crooks did not return to the scene until 3:50 p.m. Local law enforcement officers, in their designated positions, spotted him for the first time around 5:10 p.m. — approximately 50 minutes before Trump took the stage, according to documents obtained by Fox News Digital from Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, who obtained them from the Beaver County Emergency Services Unit (ESU).

BUTLER POLICE GATHER WITNESSES AFTER ASSASSINATION ATTEMPT:

On his return to the rally site, Crooks flew a drone about 200 yards away from where Trump was going to be speaking, according to the FBI. The FBI later said that no photos or videos were taken from the drone and that the agency found no memory card in the drone.
Thomas Matthew Crooks crawling on a roof moments before he attempted to assassinate former President Donald Trump.

At 5:30 p.m., local law enforcement snapped a picture of Crooks and escalated it to command.

"Kid learning around building we are in," an officer wrote in a text message, along with an image of Crooks. "AGR I believe it is. I did see him with a range finder looking towards stage. FYI. If you wanna notify SS snipers to look out."

"I lost sight of him," the officer added.

A follow-up message said: "Call it in to command and have a uniform check it out."

By 6:12 p.m., the "kid" would be killed by a counter-sniper after he opened fired on the rallygoers.


On the day of the rally, Crooks parked his vehicle and flew a drone between about 3:50 p.m. and 4 p.m. about 200 yards from where the former president would be speaking on July 13. FBI Director Christopher Wray testified during a July 17 congressional hearing that Crooks had been at the rally site for about 70 minutes the morning of the assassination attempt.

Fox News Digital is reviewing the bodycam footage. This post will be updated.

Fox News’ Sarah Rumpf-Whitten contributed to this report.
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It gets worse:

https://justthenews.com/government/security/new-audio-video-trump-rally-show-local-law-enforcements-frustration-secret

Newly acquired police body cam video includes audio in which a local police officer moments after the July 13 assassination attempt on former President Trump at a Pennsylvania campaign rally complains about the Secret Service not having cover the rooftop from which the sniper shot.

“I f—ing told them that they needed to post guys f—ing over here," says a Butler Township officer in the audio of tape obtained by The Wall Street Journal on Thursday under a public records request. "I told them that f—ing Tuesday,” said a in audio captured on his body-worn camera. “I talked to the Secret Service guys. They’re like, ‘Yeah, no problem. We’re going to post guys over here.’”
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Body cam time if correct shows he turned tail less than a minute before the first shots, so he didn’t have enough time. He lost his opportunity, probably had enough time to get hoisted up again.
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Should have backed a cruiser up to that wall then went over the hood/roof.


Body cam time if correct shows he turned tail less than a minute before the first shots, so he didn’t have enough time. He lost his opportunity, probably had enough time to get hoisted up again.


I meant from the get go. If you have a suspected threat on a roof it is dumb to not be in a position to put a gun on that threat. There was a cruiser parked right outside that alley they could have pulled up in there and had a platform to fire from if needed.
Link Posted: 8/9/2024 8:37:12 AM EST
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Originally Posted By giantpune:

How do we know its not broke?  It not like when your shit breaks, you can't walk and run.  There's been UFC interviews with the winner  where their toe was fucking sideways.
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Originally Posted By Bama_Rebel:

I told yall homeboy didnt have a broke foot. Does anyone remember who said that in the interview. It was one of the locals. What a liar.

How do we know its not broke?  It not like when your shit breaks, you can't walk and run.  There's been UFC interviews with the winner  where their toe was fucking sideways.

i broke my nose one time, but I didnt go around telling folks i had a broke neck because its 2 different things. Like a toe and a foot
Link Posted: 8/9/2024 8:47:12 AM EST
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There is a lot to unpack in that short message, sad most will not recognize the real threats being exposed.
Link Posted: 8/9/2024 9:16:07 AM EST
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'They threw us under the bus': Pennsylvania cops fume after Trump shooting debacle as Secret Service attempts to deflect blame


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Anger is growing among law enforcement and local officials in Pennsylvania over what they see as the Secret Service's attempts to pass the buck on who was to blame for Saturday's assassination attempt on Donald Trump.

'They threw us under the bus,' one cop in Butler told DailyMail.com exclusively.

The fury is over Secret Service claims that anything outside the perimeter set up around Trump's rally in Butler was the responsibility of local law enforcement agencies.

'The Secret Service came out here more than a month ahead of time and met with all the local agencies. They tell us exactly what to do, exactly what they want and exactly how they want it. It's all on them,' he added.


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Butler Township commissioner Edward Natali claimed the USSS had been 'covering their own backsides'




'If they say, 'We want 100 troopers out here' they get 100 troopers out here. We're not a bunch of cowboys out here doing whatever the hell we want.

'They're absolutely passing the buck.'  

The officer spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of his allegations against the federal agency charged with protecting ex-presidents like Trump.

But Butler Township commissioner Edward Natali was not so reticent to speak out.





On Tuesday he accused the Secret Service of being 'uninformed, lying, or covering their own backsides' adding it was 'completely disgusting to see finger pointing has become the priority'.

'I want to say as clearly as can be said, the Butler Township Police Department had no security detail for this event. There were seven officers all assigned to traffic detail,' Commissioner Edward Natali, 59, wrote on Facebook.

'Anyone who says so, reports on it, implies it, etc... is uninformed, lying, or covering their own backsides.'

He called an unnamed Secret Service agent pointing the finger at local police 'a very transparent deflection'.



'It is completely disgusting to see that finger-pointing has become the priority, when we had four people shot, with one of the four fatally wounded,' Natali wrote.

Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle has come under intense pressure since Trump's brush with death. She has been subpoenaed to appear before the Republican-led House Oversight Committee on Monday.




The current Butler law enforcement officer who spoke with DailyMail.com, dismissed Cheatle's words as 'excuses' and pointed to the security measures taken in 2020 when 15,000 people attended a rally for the former president at Pittsburgh-Butler Regional Airport – an operation overseen by the agency's previous director, the Trump-appointed James Murray.

The officer who was familiar with the event and those measures said, 'Back then they had so many snipers. They were all over the place. Everywhere you looked.

'It was the most secure place on the planet.

'And this time they only have four because of sloping roofs and they still try to pass the buck to the locals?'

The SWAT team from neighboring Beaver County provided two of the four sniper teams on Saturday – but a former top Beaver County law enforcement official told DailyMail.com that the idea of preventing snipers from setting up on a sloped roof was 'insane'.

'If my people were running the scene, there would have been someone on that roof,' the retired official said.

'The spotter team we've seen on TV that engaged the shooter, they were on a sloped roof. And I know when Vice President Pence came we posted on top of a building with a sloped roof,' they said.

'You put your sniper where the sniper needs to be.'




The source said that Secret Service would have been directing local police at the event, and that it was likely their lack of communication or indecision that caused the delay in taking out Crooks.

'They would coordinate where everybody was going to be, what everybody was going to do. They provide the protocols,' the former top official said.

'I can't imagine anyone knowing he was on the roof without using force necessary to stop that from happening.

'It's a very small area. You're talking yelling 100 yards, or a radio or cell phone. So I don't understand what the disconnect was – whether they were told not to engage.'

They said that for previous visits to the area by then-Vice President Mike Pence, the Secret Service was similarly under-resourced.

'Everything was run by the Secret Service by their protocols, but they were always understaffed. They always heavily relied on the locals,' the source said.



'It was frustrating because we had hundreds of hours of overtime that we had to pay for all the different levels of police and government, and none of it was ever reimbursed.

'But you do it for the protection of the community.



'One of the things that made you angry was they come in and make all these demands,' the top former official added.

'They wanted a police motorcade and ambulance. But they had no way to get the resources.

'The team leader did not have the resources that he needed, and that was for guarding a sitting Vice President.'

The ex-official said that each branch of law enforcement would be on different radio frequencies, and communication may have broken down between local SWAT and the Secret Service command.



'We did not have access to the radios that the Secret Service had and they didn't have access to ours. And the state police are also on separate frequencies,' the source said.

'You'd have to have one of our people embedded with the Secret Service so they could communicate what we were receiving and seeing. We'd have somebody standing beside their boss at their headquarters, relaying information.'


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Beaver County bore the brunt of filling in gaps for the Secret Service at Saturday's rally, having the largest SWAT team in the region.

Sources said the team has around 40 officers, including snipers, forced entry teams and a dozen hostage negotiators, who all regularly train and work with the ATF, FBI and state police.

The anonymous Butler officer revealed to DailyMail.com that a Butler Township Police Department patrolman who came face to face with Crooks and has been hailed a 'hero' by the force's acting chief, did not 'retreat' but attempted to reach for his own gun only to fall and injure himself.

He said, 'People keep saying he should have shot him, he should have stopped him, but you have to understand that officer was given a boost up by another officer and was using both hands to pull himself up over the edge of that roof to see what was going on, when he's confronted by this guy pointing a gun at him.

'He reached for his gun, lost his balance and fell and broke his ankle.'


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Sources said the team has around 40 officers, including snipers, forced entry teams and a dozen hostage negotiators, who all regularly train and work with the ATF, FBI and state police.

The anonymous Butler officer revealed to DailyMail.com that a Butler Township Police Department patrolman who came face to face with Crooks and has been hailed a 'hero' by the force's acting chief, did not 'retreat' but attempted to reach for his own gun only to fall and injure himself.

He said, 'People keep saying he should have shot him, he should have stopped him, but you have to understand that officer was given a boost up by another officer and was using both hands to pull himself up over the edge of that roof to see what was going on, when he's confronted by this guy pointing a gun at him.

'He reached for his gun, lost his balance and fell and broke his ankle.'



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Originally Posted By Bama_Rebel:



'He reached for his gun, lost his balance and fell and broke his ankle.'

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Again, just cause its broke doesn't mean it doesn't work.  Chuck Liddell kicked Rich franklin and broke his left forearm.  Franklin was still throwing punches with both hands, and got a knockout.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4BmddIXZHQ

https://www.ufc.com/news/franklin-survives-broken-arm-kos-liddell-ufc-115-main-event?language_content_entity=en
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he did break his arm
Link Posted: 8/9/2024 10:57:25 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Bama_Rebel:

he broke his left hand and knocked out chuck with the weakest right hand punch possible. I seen Uria Faber break both his hands and still fight. But again, thats different than a broken ankle. Due to carrying your body weight. I guess its possible the officer was able to do all that running with a broken ankle. It would help to have audio. But mark me down as skeptical. There's nothing that gives me the indication "the hero" had a broken ankle.
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You should look up a "toddler's fracture".  Little kids be breaking their legs all the time and still walking around.  My kid's was broken a week before he got a cast.
Link Posted: 8/9/2024 10:59:23 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Bama_Rebel:

he broke his left hand and knocked out chuck with the weakest right hand punch possible. I seen Uria Faber break both his hands and still fight. But again, thats different than a broken ankle. Due to carrying your body weight. I guess its possible the officer was able to do all that running with a broken ankle. It would help to have audio. But mark me down as skeptical. There's nothing that gives me the indication "the hero" had a broken ankle.
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Originally Posted By giantpune:


Again, just cause its broke doesn't mean it doesn't work.  Chuck Liddell kicked Rich franklin and broke his left forearm.  Franklin was still throwing punches with both hands, and got a knockout.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4BmddIXZHQ

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he broke his left hand and knocked out chuck with the weakest right hand punch possible. I seen Uria Faber break both his hands and still fight. But again, thats different than a broken ankle. Due to carrying your body weight. I guess its possible the officer was able to do all that running with a broken ankle. It would help to have audio. But mark me down as skeptical. There's nothing that gives me the indication "the hero" had a broken ankle.

I broke my ankle on a dirt bike when I was a teen, walked on it for a week before I had the nerve to tell my parents and they took me to the hospital.  Not all breaks are catastrophic, and I could see how the adrenaline he had pumping could mask it for a while.
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Broken ankle or not he sure hauled ass back to the parking lot when he turned tail, and he was mr tough guy getting back up on that roof lickety split like nothing after the shots and Crooks dead. And there were already cops up there. He tried to draw then fell? Bullshit, but why not try to get boosted up again? I’ve broken my ankle and you’re not running around right after.

Pfff “hero”
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Broken ankle or not he sure hauled ass back to the parking lot when he turned tail, and he was mr tough guy getting back up on that roof lickety split like nothing after the shots and Crooks dead. And there were already cops up there. He tried to draw then fell? Bullshit, but why not try to get boosted up again? I’ve broken my ankle and you’re not running around right after.

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I've broken mine also and continued to ski down the rest of the mountain I was on.  Different people have different thresholds for pain.

As for getting boosted back up, you just dropped because someone swung a rifle at you, you would have to be retarded to pop your head back up in the same area as the person on the roof with the rifle now knows what location you are in.

As for going to get his rifle, I sure wouldn't want to go up against a rifle with a pistol.
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I've broken mine also and continued to ski down the rest of the mountain I was on.  Different people have different thresholds for pain.

As for getting boosted back up, you just dropped because someone swung a rifle at you, you would have to be retarded to pop your head back up in the same area as the person on the roof with the rifle now knows what location you are in.

As for going to get his rifle, I sure wouldn't want to go up against a rifle with a pistol.
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No point even trying to engage him.  He's dug his heels in.  No matter how stupid he sounds, no amount of logical thinking will make him change.
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Why didn’t he try to get back on or find another spot to climb up? He runs off to his car like he’s a teenage girl.

At the end of the day the sheriff or whoever told another bs story, just like Uvalde, of him barely hanging there and falling 8 feet. Their ass needs to be held accountable for that, lying sacks of shot, typical cops.
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You sure are judgemental.  
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There’s also ways the body cam will automatically activate (no push button required) if your department has the extra add ons. Ours activate when you unholster your weapon and/or taser, turn on lights and sirens, and anytime someone activates their body camera around you your will automatically come on and record.
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Body cams normally are not always on, it would take up too much storage space and have to be overwritten often.  But they are always capturing a rolling "buffer" of video with no audio.  The length of this buffer is usually only a minute or two, and it constantly deletes the beginning of that short buffer as it captures the newer part.  The purpose of this is so when something happens that requires recording and the officer activates the camera, there is that short buffer video portion saved before the activation in case any relevant information is present and captured there leading up to the activation.

The wearer has to push a button on the unit to activate the recording, which normally they do when they start traffic stops, etc.  You see the cop reach up to the camera and start the recording right after he takes the rifle out of the case, the no-audio bit up to that point is the pre-buffered video.  If you watch any of those police traffic stop or pursuit videos with body cams, you'll notice a lot of them have an initial period like that as well with no audio, same thing.


There’s also ways the body cam will automatically activate (no push button required) if your department has the extra add ons. Ours activate when you unholster your weapon and/or taser, turn on lights and sirens, and anytime someone activates their body camera around you your will automatically come on and record.

That sounds like a pretty cool system. What is the ballpark cost on a system like that?
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Or maybe he wants cops to act like the fucking tough guys they portrait themselves to be when picking on elderly people and children. Instead, when it becomes time to act on an actual threat (as high value as existence in the entire world), they tuck tail and run. There are DOZENS of cops there. Per usual and like Uvalde, none of them did their job well.
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Or maybe he wants cops to act like the fucking tough guys they portrait themselves to be when picking on elderly people and children. Instead, when it becomes time to act on an actual threat (as high value as existence in the entire world), they tuck tail and run. There are DOZENS of cops there. Per usual and like Uvalde, none of them did their job well.
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Originally Posted By Walleyeguy24:
Originally Posted By Mauser-Oberndorf-AN:

You sure are judgemental.  


Or maybe he wants cops to act like the fucking tough guys they portrait themselves to be when picking on elderly people and children. Instead, when it becomes time to act on an actual threat (as high value as existence in the entire world), they tuck tail and run. There are DOZENS of cops there. Per usual and like Uvalde, none of them did their job well.

There was nothing that guy could do.  It would be almost impossible to climb over the edge of a metal roof with a gun in your hand.  It's hard enough getting on one with something in your your hand using a ladder.  And the guy on the roof's not going to give you time to unholster it once you're up.  Once the shooter knew he was there, that opportunity was gone.

I don't think the locals hold much of the blame here.  You can't have a competent combined security force with incompetent leadership - and that rooftop should have been crawling with SS.
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Originally Posted By DaGoose:


I've broken mine also and continued to ski down the rest of the mountain I was on.  Different people have different thresholds for pain.

As for getting boosted back up, you just dropped because someone swung a rifle at you, you would have to be retarded to pop your head back up in the same area as the person on the roof with the rifle now knows what location you are in.

As for going to get his rifle, I sure wouldn't want to go up against a rifle with a pistol.
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It’s his job to stop the threat to the public that he clearly saw, not run around like a chicken with his head cut off. Crooks went back to doing what he was doing after scaring the chicken off, and it was still close to a minute after the cop went up on the roof that the first shots went off, so he clearly wasn’t scared that the cop was coming back, which is strange to me. That cop could have engaged him with a pistol, it’s happened many times, and if he died, well he probably would’ve saved Corey’s life that day and maybe Trump’s if he didn’t turn his head.
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Originally Posted By Walleyeguy24:


Or maybe he wants cops to act like the fucking tough guys they portrait themselves to be when picking on elderly people and children. Instead, when it becomes time to act on an actual threat (as high value as existence in the entire world), they tuck tail and run. There are DOZENS of cops there. Per usual and like Uvalde, none of them did their job well.
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Yes, well said.

Side note, I hope Dems and Raskin have a backup plan for cw2 because most of these pansy cops ain’t doing crap, especially against people with ARs.
Link Posted: 8/9/2024 1:39:05 PM EST
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So now we're up to Tuesday when the problem was known about. I thought 90 minutes was bad,and I made a meme about it.

Then I think someone saw crooks 4.5 hours before. But Tuesday, fuck me.

https://nypost.com/2024/08/09/us-news/cop-says-he-told-secret-service-to-secure-roof-before-trump-assassination-attempt-bodycam-video/
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