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Posted: 3/21/2024 9:28:16 PM EDT
Change my mind - this film was made in 1969 and still, it's the best WWII dogfighting cinematography I've ever seen. I rewatch this masterpiece at least once a year.
No music either - just the sound of aircraft engines, gunfire, and radio chatter. I get chills at this particular scene where a flight of attacking Spitfires are pounced by 109 escorts - I mean, holy shit is this scene amazingly directed - moment is at 1:19 into the video below:  THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN (1969) | The Spitfire Squadron Defends Britain | MGM Also, why does the aerial cinematography suck so badly in Masters of the Air? It's a dumpster compared to this. |
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Posted: 3/21/2024 9:30:31 PM EDT
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Love that flick.
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Posted: 3/21/2024 9:41:05 PM EDT
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Takatakatakatakataka
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Posted: 3/21/2024 9:47:29 PM EDT
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Fantastic.
Brits were lucky the Germans didn’t have Red Tails. |
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Posted: 3/21/2024 9:48:21 PM EDT
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I love that movie!
I've seen it dozens of times. |
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Posted: 3/21/2024 9:53:05 PM EDT
[#5]
simply superior
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Posted: 3/21/2024 10:06:42 PM EDT
[#6]
Gotta hand it to the Brits.
Absolute feakin classic 
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Posted: 3/21/2024 10:21:48 PM EDT
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Pine Tree Leader, this is Turkey Control. I have some trade for you over Maidstone.
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Posted: 3/21/2024 10:27:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pine Tree Leader, this is Turkey Control. I have some trade for you over Maidstone. Haha I love that line. |
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Posted: 3/21/2024 10:39:35 PM EDT
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Amazing to see the Brits whip the Spanish at the English Channel again to save King, Queen & Country!
The "German" "HE-111s" were actually Spanish CASA 2.111 (Spanish licensed production HE-111s fitted after the end of WWII with British Rolls Royce Merlin engines in place of the original German Jumos) & the "German" BF-109s were HA-1112-M1L Buchón which were licensed Spanish produced BF-109s fitted with the Rolls Royce Merlin engines. Ironically, the Rolls Royce Merlin Engine is the powerplant that won the Battle Of Britain powering both the Supermarine Spitfire and the Hawker Hurricane. If you watch "Patton" the "German HE-111"s that bomb the Allies are actually CASA 2.111s.  Patton (2/5) Movie CLIP - Complete Air Supremacy (1970) HD Bigger_Hammer 
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Posted: 3/21/2024 10:52:28 PM EDT
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My Vote for great aerial combat Cinematograhy...
Real Spitfires + Real (Mostly) BF-109s (Actually licensed built HA-1112-M1L Buchón ) + Real flight & combat factors = good watching!  Dunkirk (IMAX) - First dogfight &  Dunkirk (IMAX) - Second dogfight, protecting the Minesweeper Bigger_Hammer Disregard the very last scene where the Miracle Spitfire runs out of fuel, yet still careens around the sky shooting down Stukas... |
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Posted: 3/21/2024 11:03:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My Vote for great aerial combat Cinematograhy... Real Spitfires + Real (Mostly) BF-109s (Actually licensed built HA-1112-M1L Buch n ) + Real flight & combat factors = good watching!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z52vVsMdBkc& https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN5jYIbJTdABigger_Hammer Disregard the very last scene where the Miracle Spitfire runs out of fuel, yet still careens around the sky shooting down Stukas... Yeah, I liked the aerial cinematography in Dunkirk as well. |
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Posted: 3/21/2024 11:06:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Amazing to see the Brits whip the Spanish at the English Channel again to save King, Queen & Country! The "German" "HE-111s" were actually Spanish CASA 2.111 (Spanish licensed production HE-111s fitted after the end of WWII with British Rolls Royce Merlin engines in place of the original German Jumos) & the "German" BF-109s were HA-1112-M1L Buch n which were licensed Spanish produced BF-109s fitted with the Rolls Royce Merlin engines. Ironically, the Rolls Royce Merlin Engine is the powerplant that won the Battle Of Britain powering both the Supermarine Spitfire and the Hawker Hurricane. If you watch "Patton" the "German HE-111"s that bomb the Allies are actually CASA 2.111s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpEtHWMpiFcBigger_Hammer Yup and it hardly matters because of how well it was directed (and the fact that they were real planes). I'd rather watch real Buchon 109s than computer generated 109Es. It's the same in 1990s Memphis Belle, which also used Buchon 109s, but God damn did it look good on screen and the cinematography was beautiful. |
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Posted: 3/21/2024 11:14:03 PM EDT
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I saw that at the theater when it came out and have a copy now.
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Posted: 3/21/2024 11:16:34 PM EDT
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“Daka Daka Daka Daka Daka Dakar Daka…”
Heavy rotation at my house. One of my top five faves. Period. I know it sounds sappy, but it reminds me of the Britain I grew up in. The UK is like our blue states. Liberalism destroyed any semblance of… well, freedom. Kill freedom, you stifle the freedom loving. Fuck Communism. |
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Posted: 3/21/2024 11:17:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup and it hardly matters because of how well it was directed (and the fact that they were real planes). I'd rather watch real Buchon 109s than computer generated 109Es. It's the same in 1990s Memphis Belle, which also used Buchon 109s, but God damn did it look good on screen and the cinematography was beautiful. REAL Aircraft Actually FLYING are always better than CGI ...  Bigger_Hammer
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Posted: 3/21/2024 11:22:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love that movie! I've seen it dozens of times. |
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Posted: 3/21/2024 11:24:23 PM EDT
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So much to say....
No CGI. Love the elliptical wings of the Spitfire and the white cliffs in the background. Very well done movie, capturing the time. One of the most pivotal times in world history. The Brits more than held their own back then, on their own against immense odds. So it just has to be reiterated: "Never in the field of human conflict was so much been owed by so many to so few" Would be cool if they remade the movie, but unfortunately just a handful of those planes have survived this long, and CGI just wouldn't do it justice. |
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Posted: 3/21/2024 11:36:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: “Daka Daka Daka Daka Daka Dakar Daka…” Heavy rotation at my house. One of my top five faves. Period. What was weird about the aircraft of the Battle of Britain were that it was fought with .303 & 8mm rifle caliber machinegun bullets Spitfires & Hurricanes had the firepower of 8 .303 Browning machineguns. The German Bombers, HE-111, DO-17, & JU-88s and Stuka fitted with low capacity (75 round drum) MG-15 8mm machineguns for Defense.  The German Bf-109 "E" variant flown at the Battle of Britain had two cowl mounted 8mm Mgs, plus either a another pair of 8mm MGs in the wingroot or upgraded with a pair of 20mm cannons in the wing roots in place of the 8mm MGs. The German ME-110 had Four 8mm machineguns + Two 20mm cannon, but was considered easy kill for Spitfires or Hurricanes. It did have a rear facing gunner with a MG-15, just like the Stuka. The Germans in their last years of the war, re-issued old Luftwaffe MG-15 8mm bomber defense machineguns (since they had no flying bombers) to ground troops & Volksturm for the last ditch defense of the Reich.  Bigger_Hammer
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Posted: 3/22/2024 7:51:23 AM EDT
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"Monkeys can fly better than that!"
An excellent movie with a fantastic soundtrack. I think I'm going to break out the Blu-Ray and watch that tonight. 
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Posted: 3/22/2024 8:00:04 AM EDT
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Quoted: Change my mind - this film was made in 1969 and still, it's the best WWII dogfighting cinematography I've ever seen. I rewatch this masterpiece at least once a year. No music either - just the sound of aircraft engines, gunfire, and radio chatter. I get chills at this particular scene where a flight of attacking Spitfires are pounced by 109 escorts - I mean, holy shit is this scene amazingly directed - moment is at 1:19 into the video below: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0w0SSn_X0wAlso, why does the aerial cinematography suck so badly in Masters of the Air? It's a dumpster compared to this. |
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Posted: 3/22/2024 8:08:17 AM EDT
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In regards to the "no music" in the OP, isnt the montage near the end compiling the RAF turning the tide all done to music with no sound effects?
And yes it is a great movie. |
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Posted: 3/22/2024 8:10:21 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/22/2024 8:29:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I saw that at the theater when it came out and have a copy now. 
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Posted: 3/22/2024 9:38:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In regards to the "no music" in the OP, isnt the montage near the end compiling the RAF turning the tide all done to music with no sound effects? And yes it is a great movie. Yes that scene is all music and nothing else (and it's actually really well done too). For most of the film though, there is music in the buildup and anticipation moments, but the music cuts when the engagement begins - I love the way it was directed - you really feel like you're up there with them. |
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Posted: 3/23/2024 6:55:43 PM EDT
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I've received the following signal: "Congratulations. As of today this squadron is operational." Signed Keith Park, Air Vice Marshal, AOC 11 Group.
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Posted: 3/23/2024 7:37:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Amazing to see the Brits whip the Spanish at the English Channel again to save King, Queen & Country! The "German" "HE-111s" were actually Spanish CASA 2.111 (Spanish licensed production HE-111s fitted after the end of WWII with British Rolls Royce Merlin engines in place of the original German Jumos) & the "German" BF-109s were HA-1112-M1L Buchón which were licensed Spanish produced BF-109s fitted with the Rolls Royce Merlin engines. Ironically, the Rolls Royce Merlin Engine is the powerplant that won the Battle Of Britain powering both the Supermarine Spitfire and the Hawker Hurricane. If you watch "Patton" the "German HE-111"s that bomb the Allies are actually CASA 2.111s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpEtHWMpiFcBigger_Hammer  Attached FileBuchons were better then these "ME 109s" from the movie Fighter Squadron. |
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Posted: 3/23/2024 10:08:43 PM EDT
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The only thing great about the Battle of Britain cinematography was the use of real aircraft, and a decent job filming them. The reaction shots showing close ups of the pilots and crew, while done in the style popular at the time, look FAF (Fake as Fuck) today. Can't really blame them, but hold it back some in the 'test of time'.
As for Dunkirk, absolutely realistic and fantastic except for the shots down the side of the protagonist's aircraft that was clearly not a Spitfire, and gliding for 43 minutes after being shot up to crash land on the beach. |
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