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If you're a SOT. If not it's $200 +$5 iirc View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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If you are an 02/07 once it's on the books as a NFA post sample would it matter if it had the very grip without the happy switch since you can make an she as well? It's still a title 2 without the auto mode. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This has been established. With the back plate installed the gun is Title II and grip/stock are ok. If the backplate is swapped back the gun is title I and the grip/stock would have to be removed PRIOR to swapping the backplate. |
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The conversion device is usually what's registered, it remains a machine gun until destroyed. The pistol goes back to being a pistol once the conversion device is removed. View Quote It's not like were talking about an expensive pistol here. Or serial an 80 frame and make a throw away frame for it. Even better. |
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If you are an 02/07 once it's on the books as a NFA post sample would it matter if it had the very grip without the happy switch since you can make an she as well? It's still a title 2 without the auto mode. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This has been established. With the back plate installed the gun is Title II and grip/stock are ok. If the backplate is swapped back the gun is title I and the grip/stock would have to be removed PRIOR to swapping the backplate. |
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In before your dust cover or grip breaks off and you shoot off some fingers with 10mm goodness.... ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Oh you will! I think a 10mm FA handgun is going to require two hands ![]() ![]() |
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Only one more? You should put one on the top, too. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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In that case. Register the gun not the device. It's not like were talking about an expensive pistol here. Or serial an 80 frame and make a throw away frame for it. Even better. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The conversion device is usually what's registered, it remains a machine gun until destroyed. The pistol goes back to being a pistol once the conversion device is removed. It's not like were talking about an expensive pistol here. Or serial an 80 frame and make a throw away frame for it. Even better. Also I'm 90% sure that the ATF doesn't approve Glock frames as MG's, it's my understanding they make you serialize/register the auto sear itself. |
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Why wouldn't they? What if I actually milled the slide for G18 parts instead of a drop in auto sear? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Also I'm 90% sure that the ATF doesn't approve Glock frames as MG's, it's my understanding they make you serialize/register the auto sear itself. I have heard people say that their Form 2's were denied on registering the frame and that the ATF wanted the sear itself done. Hearsay I know. I think the reasoning is that since the sear can be easily swapped they want to keep track of it not the gun it's dropped into. |
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Once again GD has proved that it has very serious jealousy issues.
OP, Post vids! ![]() |
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Quoted: In before your dust cover or grip breaks off and you shoot off some fingers with 10mm goodness.... ![]() View Quote Might as well put a stock on it too. ![]() ![]() |
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If you haven't already decided, my personal favorite was the FGG-S, which is nearly identical to the FGG-K but without the trigger cover slider. They can be had on ebay for under $40.
![]() ETA: The ENDO stock adapter works extremely well, too. Not QD, but rock solid. You might be weirded out by the springy feel on FA at first, but it's the slide and barrel reciprocating, not the stock. |
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Oh that's a guarantee. Looks like I'll have a stock too so my hands may be safe. Maybe. View Quote I just need to find an SOT with a happy switch end plate that would let me play ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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I would like to build a 10mm FPG at some point, as a big brother to my FPG 9..... I just need to find an SOT with a happy switch end plate that would let me play ![]() https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/173511/IMG_20170620_121255592_jpg-731156.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/173511/IMG_20170620_121839760_jpg-731157.JPG View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Oh that's a guarantee. Looks like I'll have a stock too so my hands may be safe. Maybe. I just need to find an SOT with a happy switch end plate that would let me play ![]() https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/173511/IMG_20170620_121255592_jpg-731156.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/173511/IMG_20170620_121839760_jpg-731157.JPG How south into SC are you ![]() |
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LEGITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT How south into SC are you ![]() View Quote https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/Magpul-FMG-FPG-update/15-712326/ |
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Quoted: In before your dust cover or grip breaks off and you shoot off some fingers with 10mm goodness.... ![]() Might as well put a stock on it too. ![]() ![]() ![]() Id be willing to SBR a Glock for something like this. |
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I saw a MAC video about these: http://www.osagecountyguns.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/BT-USW-G17-00011.jpg Id be willing to SBR a Glock for something like this. View Quote |
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Might as well put a stock on it too. ![]() https://www.endotactical.com/images/gallery/product/IMG_2130.jpg |
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If that wasn't 3D printed airsoft I'd have bought one when they first came out. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Might as well put a stock on it too. ![]() https://www.endotactical.com/images/gallery/product/IMG_2130.jpg |
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LOL to all the page 1 firearms police responses.
All I can recommend, OP, is get something that's sturdy. That beast is gonna be a wild child. |
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Oh you will! I think a 10mm FA handgun is going to require two hands ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I wanna see the FA awesomness you are putting together ![]() Get an ALG mount. I can absolutely see the recoil of a full auto G20 breaking the dust cover off and potentially ruining your day. |
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You can pay an SOT to "convert" it, whatever their charge, and then the form 4 is $5. If you do it yourself on a form 1 it's $200. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If you’re a SOT. If not it’s $200 +$5 iirc If you do it yourself on a form 1 it's $200. Once I get around to doing an AR or similar "pistol" I'm thinking of going the AOW route and it seems like everyone's paying $200 for the stamps, but they have all done Form 1s. |
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So $5 to transfer, $200 to build? Once I get around to doing an AR or similar "pistol" I'm thinking of going the AOW route and it seems like everyone's paying $200 for the stamps, but they have all done Form 1s. View Quote The only advantage you'll have with an AOW over a pistol will be that you can run a front grip at an overall length under 26" Some states won't allow a rifle to be loaded in a vehicle, but a pistol can, not sure about AOW's... |
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Is there a reason you want to go AOW instead of SBR, if you're going to F1 it? Interstate travel? The only advantage you'll have with an AOW over a pistol will be that you can run a front grip at an overall length under 26" Some states won't allow a rifle to be loaded in a vehicle, but a pistol can, not sure about AOW's... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So $5 to transfer, $200 to build? Once I get around to doing an AR or similar "pistol" I'm thinking of going the AOW route and it seems like everyone's paying $200 for the stamps, but they have all done Form 1s. The only advantage you'll have with an AOW over a pistol will be that you can run a front grip at an overall length under 26" Some states won't allow a rifle to be loaded in a vehicle, but a pistol can, not sure about AOW's... A braced pistol as an alternative poses some risks in CA. So far DOJ has not considered pistols with most braces to be SBRs. But they seem to consider shouldering to make it an SBR under State law based on what I've read so far, and the former is potentially subject to change or prosecution attempts by other authorities. However, a Federally registered AOW is exempt from the CA SBR laws, and they can't prosecute you for having or shouldering the brace, whatever they determine there. The only thing that seems to be problematic is shouldering the brace as far as the Feds are concerned. I'm getting the impression that they'd consider a shouldered braced AOW to be an SBR. Also, in CA AOWs can be added to CCW permits if the issuing authority has no problem with it, not that I have a shot at a permit in my current county (but most are close to or essentially shall-issue). Some counties do have issues with it or with rifle-calibre weapons, but not all. Just something I'm considering when the time comes. I wouldn't mind going the Form 4 route, but SOTs here are almost never willing to deal with ordinary folks even where NFA stuff is legal. I do know an SOT here who is a manufacturer, but I've never asked if he facilitates NFA transfers and stuff for anyone but LEOs. |
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Quoted: Can't SBR it in CA. If it was C&R, you could still SBR it until 2011, when it was ruled that doing that makes it a new weapon and negates C&R status, which would make it illegal in CA. Not very many ARs qualified by that point and I doubt any were SBRed, as it's an obscure law (and all would be registered AWs and thus not transferrable, anyways). Even with C&R status, under 30" makes an SBR an AW, and thus illegal. A braced pistol as an alternative poses some risks in CA. So far DOJ has not considered pistols with most braces to be SBRs. But they seem to consider shouldering to make it an SBR under State law based on what I've read so far, and the former is potentially subject to change or prosecution attempts by other authorities. However, a Federally registered AOW is exempt from the CA SBR laws, and they can't prosecute you for having or shouldering the brace, whatever they determine there. The only thing that seems to be problematic is shouldering the brace as far as the Feds are concerned. I'm getting the impression that they'd consider a shouldered braced AOW to be an SBR. Also, in CA AOWs can be added to CCW permits if the issuing authority has no problem with it, not that I have a shot at a permit in my current county (but most are close to or essentially shall-issue). Some counties do have issues with it or with rifle-calibre weapons, but not all. Just something I'm considering when the time comes. I wouldn't mind going the Form 4 route, but SOTs here are almost never willing to deal with ordinary folks even where NFA stuff is legal. I do know an SOT here who is a manufacturer, but I've never asked if he facilitates NFA transfers and stuff for anyone but LEOs. View Quote |
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Quoted: Can't SBR it in CA. If it was C&R, you could still SBR it until 2011, when it was ruled that doing that makes it a new weapon and negates C&R status, which would make it illegal in CA. Not very many ARs qualified by that point and I doubt any were SBRed, as it's an obscure law (and all would be registered AWs and thus not transferrable, anyways). Even with C&R status, under 30" makes an SBR an AW, and thus illegal. A braced pistol as an alternative poses some risks in CA. So far DOJ has not considered pistols with most braces to be SBRs. But they seem to consider shouldering to make it an SBR under State law based on what I've read so far, and the former is potentially subject to change or prosecution attempts by other authorities. However, a Federally registered AOW is exempt from the CA SBR laws, and they can't prosecute you for having or shouldering the brace, whatever they determine there. The only thing that seems to be problematic is shouldering the brace as far as the Feds are concerned. I'm getting the impression that they'd consider a shouldered braced AOW to be an SBR. Also, in CA AOWs can be added to CCW permits if the issuing authority has no problem with it, not that I have a shot at a permit in my current county (but most are close to or essentially shall-issue). Some counties do have issues with it or with rifle-calibre weapons, but not all. Just something I'm considering when the time comes. I wouldn't mind going the Form 4 route, but SOTs here are almost never willing to deal with ordinary folks even where NFA stuff is legal. I do know an SOT here who is a manufacturer, but I've never asked if he facilitates NFA transfers and stuff for anyone but LEOs. But yeah, CA finds all sorts of ways to muck things up. But our convoluted laws also lend themselves to the existence of loopholes, like this one in the SBR laws. |
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Quoted: Not if you remove the stock/grip before removing the registered end plate. View Quote If the plate is the F/A item he can swap stuff as needed. It opens up options. |
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![]() ![]() ...although I prefer the Micro Roni chassis. Way more controllable. ![]() ![]() FA Glock/Roni |
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It would still be a SBR... a title II firearm. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Really consider if you want to put that on the dust cover rail.
That cover is not very substantial to be trying to hold down the front of the gun. With as much leverage as you will get on a VFG, I would expect the cover to fail, especially with 10mm recoil. Try it without it first. The auto glock is actually reasonable with practice. |
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Really consider if you want to put that on the dust cover rail. That cover is not very substantial to be trying to hold down the front of the gun. With as much leverage as you will get on a VFG, I would expect the cover to fail, especially with 10mm recoil. Try it without it first. The auto glock is actually reasonable with practice. View Quote |
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I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you're saying the recoil is reasonable however I will certainly rip the frame apart with a VFG? View Quote Take a Glock frame (without the slide) and grab the dust cover. They're not very rigid. https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/I_cracked_the_frame_of_my__G19_using_my_bare_hands__Iandapos_ll_be_damned__PICS_INSIDE_/13-140580/? ![]() ![]() Failed To Load Title |
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He's just saying the dust cover was never intended to take the forces it will see if you use a vertical grip. Take a Glock frame (without the slide) and grab the dust cover. They're not very rigid. https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/I_cracked_the_frame_of_my__G19_using_my_bare_hands__Iandapos_ll_be_damned__PICS_INSIDE_/13-140580/? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v392/adairtd/broken-glock17.jpg ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you're saying the recoil is reasonable however I will certainly rip the frame apart with a VFG? Take a Glock frame (without the slide) and grab the dust cover. They're not very rigid. https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/I_cracked_the_frame_of_my__G19_using_my_bare_hands__Iandapos_ll_be_damned__PICS_INSIDE_/13-140580/? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v392/adairtd/broken-glock17.jpg ![]() |
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