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Originally Posted By 1Andy2: When the first crewed Dragon flew, a crewed Starliner was still years away. View Quote Ok? It still doesn't change that starliner has hardware on the pad and crewed dreamchaser is still vapor ware. Are you really advocating cancelling starliner right now? I would be just fine if starliner only flies every few years as nothing more than a backup crew option until starship is man rated. Ditching starliner now would mean the only crew alternative would again be soyuz which I'm sure the Russians would be happy to take full advantage of. |
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Originally Posted By DarkGray: Ok? It still doesn't change that starliner has hardware on the pad and crewed dreamchaser is still vapor ware. Are you really advocating cancelling starliner right now? I would be just fine if starliner only flies every few years as nothing more than a backup crew option until starship is man rated. Ditching starliner now would mean the only crew alternative would again be soyuz which I'm sure the Russians would be happy to take full advantage of. View Quote Is the plan to develop a crewed Dream Chaser? I am skeptical that Starship will be man-rated. |
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I'm not getting inside a capsule built by Boeing.
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Originally Posted By AmericanPeople: Is the plan to develop a crewed Dream Chaser? I am skeptical that Starship will be man-rated. View Quote Starship will be man rated. As a lunar lander at first, per their NASA contract. If they fly it a third as often as they intend to they will work out any bugs fairly quickly. SNC seem to be waffling back and forth on a crewed Dream Chaser. Probably waiting until there is a market for such a thing. I would guess they want to do it but at the moment its a bigger expense than what the company can justify. If Starliner fails spectacularly and those contracts are cancelled it will probably provide a major incentive for a manned Dream Chaser. |
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It’s… probably not as bad as you think it is.
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Originally Posted By Hesperus: Starship will be man rated. As a lunar lander at first, per their NASA contract. If they fly it a third as often as they intend to they will work out any bugs fairly quickly. SNC seem to be waffling back and forth on a crewed Dream Chaser. Probably waiting until there is a market for such a thing. I would guess they want to do it but at the moment its a bigger expense than what the company can justify. If Starliner fails spectacularly and those contracts are cancelled it will probably provide a major incentive for a manned Dream Chaser. View Quote Dreamchaser was planned for crew from the start. It's only been developed as an unmanned cargo runner because that's what NASA paid for. If it works out as a cargo runner, it makes no sense not to make a crewed version. The ability to land on a runway is an even bigger advantage for crew than it is an empty ship or one with trash or science experiments. Starliner isn't at risk of failing spectacularly. It already has. I suspect that NASA is already pinning hopes on Dreamchaser as a replacement for it. Starliner hasn't killed anyone...yet. But the program has been a complete shitshow. |
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Never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end—which you can never afford to lose—with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be. - Adm James Stockdale
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2: Dreamchaser was planned for crew from the start. It's only been developed as an unmanned cargo runner because that's what NASA paid for. If it works out as a cargo runner, it makes no sense not to make a crewed version. The ability to land on a runway is an even bigger advantage for crew than it is an empty ship or one with trash or science experiments. Starliner isn't at risk of failing spectacularly. It already has. I suspect that NASA is already pinning hopes on Dreamchaser as a replacement for it. Starliner hasn't killed anyone...yet. But the program has been a complete shitshow. View Quote Just looked up what Dreamcatcher is. It looks like that emergency shuttle they were going to permanently station on the ISS in case of the crew needing to quickly abandon the ISS. |
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Originally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Just looked up what Dreamcatcher is. It looks like that emergency shuttle they were going to permanently station on the ISS in case of the crew needing to quickly abandon the ISS. View Quote It honestly looks alot like what the shuttle should have been from the very start |
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Never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end—which you can never afford to lose—with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be. - Adm James Stockdale
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It’s… probably not as bad as you think it is.
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Never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end—which you can never afford to lose—with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be. - Adm James Stockdale
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2: I'd like to believe that as an explanation for it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 1Andy2: Originally Posted By Hesperus: Something designed to go back and forth between a space station and not something built to snatch Soviet spy satellites and put large American spy satellites in orbit? I'd like to believe that as an explanation for it. The Most Important Space Shuttle Mission Never Happened |
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"There's an inner idiot in us just waiting to climb out and romp about in unabashed stupidity, but most people retain just enough wit to keep the idiot bottled up."
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Has the "Butch Cassidy & The Suni[Dance] Kid" joke been made already?
The fall will definitely kill them. |
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Weather 90% GO for Monday's launch
The forecast from Launch Weather Officer Brian Belson of the Space Force's 45th Weather Squadron indicates a 90 percent chance of acceptable conditions for Monday's 10:34 p.m. EDT (0234 UTC) launch of Atlas V and Boeing's Starliner. |
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Atlas V Starliner CFT Mission Profile |
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In other news, OIG report on uncrewed Orion capsule test reveals heat shield failure worse than previously revealed by NASA, burnthrough caused some damage to the capsule
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A Grendel's Love is different from a 5.56's Love
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I hope all the nuts and bolts are in it.
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Leave me alone. I’m a libertarian. CW vet x7, give away a kidney to a loved one if they need it.
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A Grendel's Love is different from a 5.56's Love
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Originally Posted By Mal_means_bad: In other news, OIG report on uncrewed Orion capsule test reveals heat shield failure worse than previously revealed by NASA, burnthrough caused some damage to the capsule https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172926/6984D37F-4C47-4ACE-80AC-623581C04049_jpe-3204399.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172926/D888D863-86B8-488F-B7EF-F6968FFFDE84_jpe-3204400.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172926/303D8F0B-2BEE-462F-852B-4B8F4DF06C7D_jpe-3204402.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172926/D0C1876F-11A6-4C91-8A37-B5CA32E25A58_jpe-3204405.JPG View Quote No way I would ride in that thing. |
Leave me alone. I’m a libertarian. CW vet x7, give away a kidney to a loved one if they need it.
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If that separation bolt is subject to the high heat of re-entry, how should it look?
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NASA’s Boeing Starliner Crew Flight Test Prelaunch News Conference (May 3, 2024) |
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Those poor people.
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"It is a political convention. The criminals will be on the inside." -ParityError
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Originally Posted By cavedog: Those poor people. View Quote The Atlas V rocket has 99 launches with success and no failures since 2002 so the Atlas V stage will likely be no issue. Starliner is what is in question here. Other than the environmental control systems (climate control and 02 system) I guess death would be quick and painless if an issue happens between launch and docking with ISS. The claimed free flight duration of Starliner is 60 hours. So if it could not dock due to issues I would think that is the max time to re-enter and return crew safe. If the maneuvering system is working as designed. (which it didn't on it's first flight). If they make it to ISS and dock (24 hour journey), but find issues while on station that keep them from making safe return in Starliner then any or even all crew aboard ISS could ride the Dragon and Soyuz back down to Earth if needed depending on how severe the issue was. If after nearly a week docked to ISS testing and the test crew board Starliner then undock and return to land (6 hours minimum from undock to first re-entry window) and there is an issue with environmental control or navigation/thrusters/de-orbit burns then we could witness another Columbia like accident. Landing zones are not splashdown in the ocean but: White Sands Missile Range, New Mexico; Willcox, Arizona; Dugway Proving Ground, Utah. And Edwards Air Force Base as a contingency. |
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Originally Posted By AmericanPeople: May 04 15:24. Rollout day concludes The joint ULA, Boeing and NASA team is wrapping up the planned activities for rollout day and the Atlas V rocket is being powered down for the night. The next event will be starting the launch countdown Monday morning. https://img.24live.co/event/3520105635873268419/20240504212430_668430.jpeg View Quote That's the vibe you get when you haven't unlocked unlimited parts count in Kerbal Space Program. Kharn |
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Launch forecast is 90% go for weather.
So far all systems are go with the rocket/payload. |
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It's a strange, strange world we live in, Master Jack
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Teacher, I have a question! This video shows us a hypersonic sled travelling at 6600mph. According to NASA, rockets needs to be rolling out at almost 25000mph to escape earth's atmosphere. This equates to roughly 4 miles per second.
Why can I not see the sled, even when they slow the frame rate down? It is moving 4x slower than the usual rockets we see, and we can see them for quite an extended period of time. Hypersonic Sled Travels at 6,599 mph - Secret Test Site |
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Originally Posted By FALex: Teacher, I have a question! This video shows us a hypersonic sled travelling at 6600mph. According to NASA, rockets needs to be rolling out at almost 25000mph to escape earth's atmosphere. This equates to roughly 4 miles per second. Why can I not see the sled, even when they slow the frame rate down? It is moving 4x slower than the usual rockets we see, and we can see them for quite an extended period of time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yos4oz_d0c0 View Quote Because the rockets are accelerating, and don’t reach escape velocity until well into the launch. They are moving relatively slowly because they’re heavy and it takes time to accelerate to speed. |
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If you can't take the high road, occupy the high ground.
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17,500 mph for LEO.
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It's a strange, strange world we live in, Master Jack
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Originally Posted By FALex: Teacher, I have a question! This video shows us a hypersonic sled travelling at 6600mph. According to NASA, rockets needs to be rolling out at almost 25000mph to escape earth's atmosphere. This equates to roughly 4 miles per second. Why can I not see the sled, even when they slow the frame rate down? It is moving 4x slower than the usual rockets we see, and we can see them for quite an extended period of time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yos4oz_d0c0 View Quote You ever been to an airshow with the blue angels or thunderbirds? It's the same reason you only see the solo jet for a moment when it does it's surprise pass, yet you can watch a faster moving airliner fly across the sky dispersing chem trails for hundreds of miles. |
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Kinda feels like they are tempting fate with this news segment.
Boeing Starliner set for launch taking 2 astronauts into space I suppose we will all find out soon enough. |
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It’s… probably not as bad as you think it is.
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Originally Posted By Hesperus: Kinda feels like they are tempting fate with this news segment. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lS-b5x2h1U I suppose we will all find out soon enough. View Quote I spent a lot of time at the Fernbank observatory many years ago. |
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Originally Posted By AmericanPeople: May 04 15:24. Rollout day concludes The joint ULA, Boeing and NASA team is wrapping up the planned activities for rollout day and the Atlas V rocket is being powered down for the night. The next event will be starting the launch countdown Monday morning. https://img.24live.co/event/3520105635873268419/20240504212430_668430.jpeg View Quote |
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I'm not Retired, I'm a Professional Grandpa!
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When is the memorial service?
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I'm not Retired, I'm a Professional Grandpa!
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Did it launch?
ETA- Looks like it doesn't light off till 10:30 EDT |
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https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/05/the-surprise-is-not-that-boeing-lost-commercial-crew-but-that-it-finished-at-all/
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NASA’s Boeing Starliner Crew Flight Test Launch Attempt – May 6, 2024 (Official NASA Broadcast) |
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[SCRUB] ULA Atlas V Launches Starliner Crew Flight Test |
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Didn't it come out over the weekend that the last orbital flight of the Starliner nearly burnt up during re-entry?
The heat shield pretty much came apart. |
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"Everything woke turns to shit" - Donald J. Trump
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Butch Wilmore's first name is appropriate.
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Everywhere we go, we are surrounded by people who stumble through life dependent upon the vigilance and/or kindness of others. - Zardoz
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Looks like the crew is about to board.
Feeling a bit more serious... |
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It’s… probably not as bad as you think it is.
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Here's the NASA-TV stream on YouTube. They have viewers' comments along the side for the livestream which might be even more entertaining than the launch attempt itself. I don't know how long NASA will allow the unwashed masses to do running commentary during their launch livestreams, might as well enjoy it while we can...
NASA’s Boeing Starliner Crew Flight Test Launch Attempt – May 6, 2024 (Official NASA Broadcast) |
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