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Posted: 12/27/2017 3:13:40 PM EST
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I pretty sure everyone on this forum stated this would happen when they first launched those ships lol.
But hey, the F35B’s are for defense of the ship only, right? |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 3:52:55 PM EST
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I wouldn’t be suprised if the class had the room for growth for the required maintenance facilities to support F-35Bs. Good on Japan. Who says your Defence Force doesn’t include a capability to prevent people from getting close enough to your shores to threaten it.
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Posted: 12/27/2017 3:59:43 PM EST
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There is a lot of fighting going around semantics. The Japanese are calling their flat tops helicopter destroyers, yet they have the capabilities similar to our LPH. Other navies "wrestled" with the term, Through Deck Cruisers. Navies don't want to call their aircraft carriers aircraft carriers.
As for the Chinese, f*ck them. Don't like it? Don't sell us electronic components for them. I'm ashamed that we outsource any of our military production to them. 
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Posted: 12/27/2017 4:08:38 PM EST
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If it makes the Chinese nervous then it's good for us.
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Posted: 12/27/2017 4:11:26 PM EST
[#5]
how do you say "tough shit" in Mandarin?
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Posted: 12/27/2017 4:13:40 PM EST
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Fuck China |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 4:14:20 PM EST
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Japan Should have a bad ass Navy to keep China in their place.
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Posted: 12/27/2017 4:15:19 PM EST
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Meh-they'll compromise some Japanese engineer on their F35 program who's into some freaky deaky shit and get all the details for their own program. |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 4:16:24 PM EST
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Izumo class Notacarrier gonna get some...
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Posted: 12/27/2017 4:18:07 PM EST
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meh... buy the jets, equip the ships. They never have to actually meet until it's time and by then, no one will give a shit about any agreement reached 70 years ago.
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Posted: 12/27/2017 4:22:43 PM EST
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Japan Should have a bad ass Navy to keep China in their place. I hope it never comes to war in Asia. No more Ipads (China) or flat screen TVs (Japan) if that happens. 
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Posted: 12/27/2017 4:53:33 PM EST
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Actually, there is nothing in any treaty that bars Japan from having carriers or anything else. Their constitution, on the other hand, self-imposes Japan's ability to wage war, and essentially limits them to "self defense". Just because you take that defense to the enemy does not mean you are the aggressor. It just means you aren't rolling over. Wars don't end because you drive the force out. Wars end when one side cannot continue to fight and the other side feels sated in their desire to accomplish whatever their military goal was. |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 4:56:17 PM EST
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Both China's and Japan's economy are in dire straits, each of their economies are carrying record debt. The only difference is that Japan's is being financed by the its own people, who has the highest savings rate in the world.
Japan is also suffering from a huge decline in births, and there are Japanese companies who gone bankrupt because they can't find enough worker. Currently in Japan for every 150 openings there are only 100 applicants. China's births are also declining which is why they removed the "one child per family" rule. We will have to stay tuned to see if this prediction actually comes true. NHK - "Report: China will become largest economy by 2032" A report by a British research firm predicts a growing dominance of Asian nations in the global economy in 15 years, with China becoming the world's largest economy. |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 4:58:08 PM EST
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Fuck fake china. I would not mind seeing Japan with a few Fleet carriers, they are not like they were as a society, so all would be fine, it would actually be quite handy we wouldn't have to have so much stuff over there. Japan isn't going to be stupid enough to jump into another world war lightly. They also stand to lose too much today compared to ww2 times. I am worried about China and NK. They are too closely tied and if China has a bad year, NK has a bad year. Eventually they both need to be brought into the world's stage....and China is trying. NK is not. Probably at China's behest since I have a hard time believing China sinks all that $ into NK and doesn't ask for anything besides being a buffer between China and SK. |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 5:00:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ... can't really blame them for that honestly |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 5:03:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What happens when they aren't? Allies curse thread?? Seriously, as long as the USA maintains its status on the world stage instead of pulling an Obama (laying down and asking for the ass fucking).....Japan is not going to align itself against us. Too much to lose, not enough to gain. And to be frank, the loss of Hong Kong is probably more of an irritation than festering ww2 drama. |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 5:08:23 PM EST
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Japan's Maritime Self Defense Force is larger than the Royal Navy and French Navy combined. It needs a strong navy to keep the Chinese at bay and a strong air force to provide air cover. It would be like the Battle of Britain Part Deux. The difference this time is missiles. Why send a bomber, risk its loss and the loss of a trained crew when a missile is cheaper? I hope it never comes to war in Asia. No more Ipads (China) or flat screen TVs (Japan) if that happens. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Japan Should have a bad ass Navy to keep China in their place. I hope it never comes to war in Asia. No more Ipads (China) or flat screen TVs (Japan) if that happens. |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 6:06:41 PM EST
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This thread needs moar F-35B. The JAPANESE should name their F-35B's "Mothra"
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Posted: 12/27/2017 6:14:03 PM EST
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Fuck China Remember Nanking ? You don't want to open up a big can of Tentacle Rape |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 6:17:04 PM EST
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I don't blame them, but I also wouldn't begrudge Japan for keeping that thought alive considering China's burgeoning desire for conquest in order to prop up their command economy. |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 6:18:34 PM EST
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I wish people actually studied history... As said it's their constitution which restricts them to self defense... Written by MacArthur's staff after Japan lost WW2. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I’m gonna take a guess they can’t have carriers because of a certain world war? Their constitution, on the other hand, self-imposes Japan's ability to wage war, and essentially limits them to "self defense". As said it's their constitution which restricts them to self defense... Written by MacArthur's staff after Japan lost WW2. |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 6:18:39 PM EST
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What babies. They need to change their constitution to allow anything and we ought to give them nukes (Japan). China could have helped us with rocketmaj before it was too late. |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 6:21:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Actually, there is nothing in any treaty that bars Japan from having carriers or anything else. Their constitution, on the other hand, self-imposes Japan's ability to wage war, and essentially limits them to "self defense". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I’m gonna take a guess they can’t have carriers because of a certain world war? Their constitution, on the other hand, self-imposes Japan's ability to wage war, and essentially limits them to "self defense". They have been wrangling about changes to the Japanese Constitution for some time now but Shinzo Abe's recent victory on the elections gave hims a 2/3rds majority which is what is needed to effect a constitution change in Japan. Seems the proposal is gaining support from what I have been reading. |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 6:29:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep - Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution. They have been wrangling about changes to the Japanese Constitution for some time now but Shinzo Abe's recent victory on the elections gave hims a 2/3rds majority which is what is needed to effect a constitution change in Japan. Seems the proposal is gaining support from what I have been reading. In order to accomplish the aim of the preceding paragraph, land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained. The right of belligerency of the state will not be recognized." That's pretty cut and dried. By my reckoning, they've been violating article 9 of their constitution since the mid 1950s, when the JDF was created. By article 9, they're not supposed to have any warships of any type. Or airplanes. Or tanks. Or rifles. Or soldiers. Or sailors. Going by a strict black and white interpretation of those words, anyways. |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 6:30:43 PM EST
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And that is in itself one of the biggest problems with Upper East Asia, they always remember and they never forgive, they are still angry at each other over things that were done centuries ago Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't blame them, but I also wouldn't begrudge Japan for keeping that thought alive considering China's burgeoning desire for conquest in order to prop up their command economy. |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 6:42:44 PM EST
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http://www.aveleyman.com/Gallery/ActorsT/16871-19838.jpg "Say when..." (but, you know, in Japanese)  It's as accurate as Google Translate...
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Posted: 12/27/2017 10:15:08 PM EST
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We are altering the agreement. Pray, we do not alter it again.
Screw the chinese, or at least the 43% of them that aren't men. |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 10:27:00 PM EST
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This thread needs moar F-35B. The JAPANESE should name their F-35B's "Mothra"
http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/590cd0be69e69ae4068b4bb2-2048/308408399754f9b53e013k.jpg Just sayin. |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 10:49:47 PM EST
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If they want to buy then I say sell!
And for all time, fuck the Chinese communist government for everything they have done to the Chinese people. Never mind what they have done and are cotinuing to do to everyone else. Side note I really want to see an F35 with one of those Kawaii vinyl wraps. Cute little redhead on the side of one of those overpriced ugly fuckers? 
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Posted: 12/27/2017 10:52:32 PM EST
[#30]
Fuck the Chinese.
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Posted: 12/27/2017 10:59:40 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh I bet, ship girls are already a thing. IJN kaga from kantai collection https://images6.alphacoders.com/671/thumb-350-671354.jpg And plane girls were thing before that as well Oh Japan, never change. ...then my brain kicked in and realized that wouldn't be too smart a thing to post, here. |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 11:02:44 PM EST
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Well the absolute last thing we want to do is upset the Chinese. Especially considering how helpful, cooperative and peaceable they have been towards us and our allies.
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Posted: 12/27/2017 11:10:41 PM EST
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Japan's Maritime Self Defense Force is larger than the Royal Navy and French Navy combined. It needs a strong navy to keep the Chinese at bay and a strong air force to provide air cover. It would be like the Battle of Britain Part Deux. The difference this time is missiles. Why send a bomber, risk its loss and the loss of a trained crew when a missile is cheaper? I hope it never comes to war in Asia. No more Ipads (China) or flat screen TVs (Japan) if that happens. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Japan Should have a bad ass Navy to keep China in their place. I hope it never comes to war in Asia. No more Ipads (China) or flat screen TVs (Japan) if that happens. Japan did very well during Vietnam and Korean War. If Asia is at war, production will spawn somewhere else, say South America. |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 11:12:25 PM EST
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didn't the Japanese name their first carrier they built of this class Akagi?
serious question.. |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 11:18:41 PM EST
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100 years from now we may be funding Japan to fight California. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Less than 100 years ago we were funding the Chinese to fight the Japs Tides may turn again in 100 years. Something to think about |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 11:21:01 PM EST
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1987 all over again, it could be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2L1-TgfKb4 http://www.nytimes.com/1987/06/22/opinion/submarined-by-japan-and-norway.html |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 11:39:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep - Article 9 of the Japanese Constitution. They have been wrangling about changes to the Japanese Constitution for some time now but Shinzo Abe's recent victory on the elections gave hims a 2/3rds majority which is what is needed to effect a constitution change in Japan. Seems the proposal is gaining support from what I have been reading. Article 9 and various other laws below are most likely going to be changed, some already have been. I am waiting for scandals and maybe some fisticuffs breaking out in the National Diet/Kokkai(Just a lot of yelling to be honest, still funnier than paint drying) then again some older aged woman already had a scandal that was basically an affair.
Anyone can look at the Constitution of Japan, there might be some changes coming forth though. The Emperor of Japan, Akihito, is going to abdicate https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20171223_04/. |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 11:40:09 PM EST
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China still shutters at the thought of the Japanese going rip shit riot through China again. shudders shud·der 'SH?d?r/Submit verb 3rd person present: shudders 1. (of a person) tremble convulsively, typically as a result of fear or revulsion. "I shuddered with horror" synonyms:shake, shiver, tremble, quiver, vibrate, palpitate "she shuddered at the thought" noun plural noun: shudders 1. an act of shuddering. "the elevator rose with a shudder" synonyms:shake, shiver, tremor, tremble, trembling, quiver, quivering, vibration, palpitation, spasm "a shudder racked his body" Shutters 
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Posted: 12/27/2017 11:44:12 PM EST
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Fuck China |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 11:48:39 PM EST
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How big are those compared to wasps?  
Wasp-class amphibious assault ship Displacement: 41,150 tons full load Length:843 ft Beam:104 ft Draft:27 ft Izumo-class helicopter destroyer Displacement: 27,000 tons full load Length: 814 ft Beam: 125 ft Draft: 25 ft It is actually more like the first two America-class amphibious assault ship as neither of them have a well deck. Displacement: 45,693 tons full load Length: 844 ft Beam: 106 ft Draft: 26 ft |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 11:49:40 PM EST
[#41]
Fuck em.
F-35s for the land of the Rising Sun |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 11:50:41 PM EST
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didn't the Japanese name their first carrier they built of this class Akagi?
serious question.. Ise Izumo Kaga |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 11:50:52 PM EST
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I believe that the Japanese are the only other people on earth who, today, would be able to build, operate, and train a Naval force that is fully capable of operating naval vessels the likes of which only we currently field. I mean Nimitz or Bush class nuclear aircraft carriers and the rest of the carrier battle groups that go along with them.
Of course, the Japanese don't HAVE any such carriers, but I believe that if we were to toss them the keys and the manuals and lend them one of our active carriers today, it would not be long at all before they had a combat ready carrier battle group, trained, qualified, and ready to rock. I wouldn't have the slightest problem with something like that actually happening. It'd be good for the US to have an ally that can actually fight on our level. The Japanese could do it if they decided to. |
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Posted: 12/27/2017 11:59:54 PM EST
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Why is China bothered by this? Don’t they know we’ll never go bombs over Beijing?
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Posted: 12/28/2017 12:01:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I believe that the Japanese are the only other people on earth who, today, would be able to build, operate, and train a Naval force that is fully capable of operating naval vessels the likes of which only we currently field. I mean Nimitz or Bush class nuclear aircraft carriers and the rest of the carrier battle groups that go along with them. Of course, the Japanese don't HAVE any such carriers, but I believe that if we were to toss them the keys and the manuals and lend them one of our active carriers today, it would not be long at all before they had a combat ready carrier battle group, trained, qualified, and ready to rock. I wouldn't have the slightest problem with something like that actually happening. It'd be good for the US to have an ally that can actually fight on our level. The Japanese could do it if they decided to.
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Posted: 12/28/2017 12:05:00 AM EST
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My thoughts on this development:
The article I read this morning also mentioned the South Koreans buying some for their Dokdo-class ships, though I honestly think those are a bit on the small side for F-35's. |
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Posted: 12/28/2017 12:05:01 AM EST
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Why is China bothered by this? Don’t they know we’ll never go bombs over Beijing? This kinda statement are always put out for their own people to hear rather than the U.S. or Japan or Taiwan. It's not worth 2 shits. |
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Posted: 12/28/2017 12:27:52 AM EST
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meh... buy the jets, equip the ships. They never have to actually meet until it's time and by then, no one will give a shit about any agreement reached 70 years ago. You can't just plop several dozen jets on a ship and expect miracles. |
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Posted: 12/28/2017 12:32:20 AM EST
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Both China's and Japan's economy are in dire straits, each of their economies are carrying record debt. The only difference is that Japan's is being financed by the its own people, who has the highest savings rate in the world. Japan is also suffering from a huge decline in births, and there are Japanese companies who gone bankrupt because they can't find enough worker. Currently in Japan for every 150 openings there are only 100 applicants. China's births are also declining which is why they removed the "one child per family" rule. We will have to stay tuned to see if this prediction actually comes true. NHK - "Report: China will become largest economy by 2032" 
I kind of like the squeak. |
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Posted: 12/28/2017 12:37:50 AM EST
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The JS Kaga is the same length as the IJN Kaga, but much lighter by about 10k tons. Ironically, the IJN Kaga saw it's first action in the campaign against China. It was later scuttled after severe damage at Midway.
However, modern aircraft carriers need assisted take off, either by catapult or by a ramp which this helicopter-destroyer doesn't have. Maybe the modification is the ramp? ETA: IJN is Imperial Japanese Navy from WWII era. JS is their current designation (actually a prefix). Would be a nice big finger to Chicom to start using the old IJN designation. |
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