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Posted: 9/1/2022 11:54:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh, jumper it on the control board. Keep the discount, run the AC. Too much work, incandescent lightbulb and cheap cooler. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 12:01:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: VOLUNTARY program for a discount. Which is why I didn't sign up for it. I can install my own thermostat thank you very much. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 12:07:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol 78 is fine. Mine is 78 during the day and 76 at night. Its been in the 90s for months. Pussies Weird flex but okay |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 2:22:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ha. We dont have AC We don't either. 
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Posted: 9/2/2022 2:37:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Keep a manual thermostat handy. Or, there's only like 4 or 5 wires in there. Twist the right ones together and it comes on like magic. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 2:49:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get a window unit. But seriously who has a thermostat the power company can lock? Never heard of such a thing. How is this possible? Smart meters? |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 3:09:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How is this possible? Smart meters? Utility connected meters that have a demand response capability built in. The utility can change the setting remotely during periods of high demand in order to shed load. Large users have control rooms that look like the bridge of the Starship Enterprise for the same purpose. Regardless, it's a voluntary system. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 4:03:07 AM EDT
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Quoted: During the dog days of summer, it's important to keep your home cool. But when thousands of Xcel customers in Colorado tried adjusting their thermostats Tuesday, they learned they had no control over the temperatures in their own homes. Temperatures climbed into the 90s Tuesday, which is why Tony Talarico tried to crank up the air conditioning in his partner's Arvada home. "I mean, it was 90 out, and it was right during the peak period," Talarico said. "It was hot." That's when he saw a message on the thermostat stating the temperature was locked due to an "energy emergency." "Normally, when we see a message like that, we're able to override it," Talarico said. "In this case, we weren't. So, our thermostat was locked in at 78 or 79." On social media, dozens of Xcel customers complained of similar experiences some reporting home temperatures as high as 88 degrees. https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/contact-denver7/thousands-of-xcel-customers-locked-out-of-thermostats-during-energy-emergency you mean when you hand over control to the power company for a very very slight discount they do what they want with your thermostat? yeah no shit. Stupid asses. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 4:04:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get a window unit. But seriously who has a thermostat the power company can lock? Never heard of such a thing. almost 100% chance if you go to your online account for your power company, you can find a way to get a *new* thermostat for *free* that will *save you money on your power bill* and then, here we are. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 4:24:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get a window unit. But seriously who has a thermostat the power company can lock? Never heard of such a thing. The same people who buy their cars at “buy here-pay here” places that install interlocks that shut your shit off when you stop paying. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 4:39:34 AM EDT
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That shit was on my house when I moved in. Promptly cut it loose and overrode it.
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Posted: 9/2/2022 4:45:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Utility connected meters that have a demand response capability built in. The utility can change the setting remotely during periods of high demand in order to shed load. Large users have control rooms that look like the bridge of the Starship Enterprise for the same purpose. Regardless, it's a voluntary system. Is that a smart meter? |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 4:52:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that a smart meter? No. Demand response is older than smart meters, but it is more sophisticated than ever now. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 5:15:10 AM EDT
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With these smart meters they can selectively punish whoever they want.
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Posted: 9/2/2022 7:15:55 AM EDT
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It's all voluntary until the lights go out for good!
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Posted: 9/2/2022 8:24:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They can get your electrical usage without having a meterman coming every month to read your meter. It's wireless. Who's to say they can't replace your meter with one they can shut off any time they want. You can have your thermostat set to anything you want. If you're not getting power to the house, it won't matter much. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Heh...how they going to do that to me when I have a non-smart thermostat in the winter and air conditioning units that I turn on at random in the summer?  They can get your electrical usage without having a meterman coming every month to read your meter. It's wireless. Who's to say they can't replace your meter with one they can shut off any time they want. You can have your thermostat set to anything you want. If you're not getting power to the house, it won't matter much. They can already shut you off with a few keystrokes. No one has to come to your house now. The gas side, even though they are smart also, need to be physically shut off and turned on but that is due to the [doh!] flammable nature of natural gas and safety. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 8:29:16 AM EDT
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Yep, people don't understand the implications of what they are volunteering for. Kinda like student loans.
I've got a smart thermostat, but ain't nobody else got access to it to control it! |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 8:30:10 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/2/2022 8:32:45 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In a few years they'll not only be locking your thermostat, they'll be stopping you from charging your EV. Remember interstate travel restrictions during Covid? How badly would they have wanted to keep you home by simply not allowing you to drive "because emergency." |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 8:34:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same dumbfucks that sign up to have their  |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 8:34:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you really want to be pissed ask Excel how many Kw are going to California during these "Energy Emergency" shortages. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 8:35:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Forgive me for stereotyping Colorado liberals, but I don't think Tony and his "partner" are the type of people that could remove a thermostat, much less "hotwire" it on.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 8:35:47 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I did that for 6 weeks right after the plague shut everything down. Didn't drive the car at all and sent the tracker back. Got a decent discount on my insurance for it  |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 8:38:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No a/c; no care. We usually see a big difference between day and night temperatures (20-30 degrees). I keep upstairs windows open; and as the evening cools, I open the main floor windows. The house floods with cool air overnight and we close the main floor windows in the morning. The house stays comfortable. On very hot days I run one box fan upstairs venting out a window to pull air through. And when it hits 100 outside, we just sleep in the basement. With blankets. I did a solar evaluation once and it came back with a 20-year payoff due to our low energy bill. Gas hot water heat, gas cooktop, gas dryer, gas water heater. All to be outlawed by NY communist party in 2035. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 8:38:27 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Get a window unit. But seriously who has a thermostat the power company can lock? Never heard of such a thing. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 8:39:21 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Utility connected meters that have a demand response capability built in. The utility can change the setting remotely during periods of high demand in order to shed load. Large users have control rooms that look like the bridge of the Starship Enterprise for the same purpose. Regardless, it's a voluntary system. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 8:40:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My thermostats are dumb as shit. Yup. My house is so old you can have the heat and the AC on at the same time. I can totally drain the grid AND natural gas lines if I wanted to
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Posted: 9/2/2022 8:40:25 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep, people don't understand the implications of what they are volunteering for. Kinda like student loans. I've got a smart thermostat, but ain't nobody else got access to it to control it! |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 8:40:58 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. My house is so old you can have the heat and the AC on at the same time. I can totally drain the grid AND natural gas lines if I wanted to |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 8:49:09 AM EDT
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This is just the beginning. The electric co will mandate a smart thermostat. Gas co will do the same. You can’t opt out. Can’t afford one? They will provide one. Refuse, they will install one out side. orAll will be supported and enforce by the state.
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Posted: 9/2/2022 8:55:47 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is just the beginning. The electric co will mandate a smart thermostat. Gas co will do the same. You can’t opt out. Can’t afford one? They will provide one. Refuse, they will install one out side. orAll will be supported and enforce by the state. We already heat exclusively with wood. Now all I need to do is figure out how to build a wood-fired air conditioner. It's a puzzlement.
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Posted: 9/2/2022 8:59:19 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We already heat exclusively with wood. Now all I need to do is figure out how to build a wood-fired air conditioner. It's a puzzlement. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is just the beginning. The electric co will mandate a smart thermostat. Gas co will do the same. You can’t opt out. Can’t afford one? They will provide one. Refuse, they will install one out side. orAll will be supported and enforce by the state. We already heat exclusively with wood. Now all I need to do is figure out how to build a wood-fired air conditioner. It's a puzzlement. Piece of cake, wood heat to boil water to make steam, steam to turn a generator, generator to produce electricity to run A/C. You'll want to use a condensing steam setup to be more efficient. Of course you'll want to use electronics to run it without standing by 25/7. Now the cost to build it and run it.............well, it will cost you. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 9:00:38 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We already heat exclusively with wood. Now all I need to do is figure out how to build a wood-fired air conditioner. It's a puzzlement. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is just the beginning. The electric co will mandate a smart thermostat. Gas co will do the same. You can’t opt out. Can’t afford one? They will provide one. Refuse, they will install one out side. orAll will be supported and enforce by the state. We already heat exclusively with wood. Now all I need to do is figure out how to build a wood-fired air conditioner. It's a puzzlement. Easy. Wood burning gasifier to run the generator to power the HVAC. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 9:21:31 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol 78 is fine. Mine is 78 during the day and 76 at night. Its been in the 90s for months. Pussies nobody cares what your doing Mr. Superhero |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 9:27:53 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How is this possible? Smart meters? Smart Meters cannot control individual appliances. People get a smart thermostat from their electric provider and the provider maintains admin access to the thermostat |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 9:47:50 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I can unplug a couple of antennas in my 1yo gas vehicle and it works just fine. How’s a Tesla work when it loses comms with the mothership? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: In a few years they'll not only be locking your thermostat, they'll be stopping you from charging your EV. Remember interstate travel restrictions during Covid? How badly would they have wanted to keep you home by simply not allowing you to drive "because emergency." Dear customer. Looks like three other people at your work are signed up for commiedrivevirtuesignal. We have designated each of you one day a week where you can pick eachother up and carpool. If your car has not returned home within two hours of your shift end we will double your charge fee. They can do that with a gas car too. I don't know why you people insist on being willfully ignorant. It's not sexy. They can also refuse to sell you gas. I can unplug a couple of antennas in my 1yo gas vehicle and it works just fine. How’s a Tesla work when it loses comms with the mothership? You can take the comms module out of a Tesla and it works just fine.....pretty sure we have a member here that did it. You won't receive the normal software updates that Tesla pushes out but other than that the car works the same. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 9:56:01 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How is this possible? Smart meters? Utilities have been doing demand response long before smart meters came along. In my area, they had a device they would install directly on the outdoor AC unit that they could switch on/off. It could be controlled over their own comms network or have a cell modem in it. Just like this story though, it was a voluntary program that the homeowner had to enroll in. Smart meters are not as smart as most people give them credit for. They record usage just like the older meters did, the primary difference is they have the ability to send and receive the data via comms vs sending someone out to read them. Not all smart meters have the ability to be remotely shut off either, the disconnect switch is a physical switch that is installed in the meter and it has to be ordered with it. The disconnect switch doubles the cost of the meter, so most utilities only install them on rental properties and accounts that have frequent disconnects for nonpayment. Rolling a truck to shut off an account today because someone is moving out, then sending them back out 3 days later to reconnect when someone moves in, is expensive....so they can cost justify the disconnect switch. Adding a switch to an account that hasn't been disconnected / reconnected in 10 years makes no financial sense for the utility. I worked in the utility industry for a company that sold metering / communications systems to utilities all over the country for 11 years. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 10:14:02 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Utilities have been doing demand response long before smart meters came along. In my area, they had a device they would install directly on the outdoor AC unit that they could switch on/off. It could be controlled over their own comms network or have a cell modem in it. Just like this story though, it was a voluntary program that the homeowner had to enroll in. Smart meters are not as smart as most people give them credit for. They record usage just like the older meters did, the primary difference is they have the ability to send and receive the data via comms vs sending someone out to read them. Not all smart meters have the ability to be remotely shut off either, the disconnect switch is a physical switch that is installed in the meter and it has to be ordered with it. The disconnect switch doubles the cost of the meter, so most utilities only install them on rental properties and accounts that have frequent disconnects for nonpayment. Rolling a truck to shut off an account today because someone is moving out, then sending them back out 3 days later to reconnect when someone moves in, is expensive....so they can cost justify the disconnect switch. Adding a switch to an account that hasn't been disconnected / reconnected in 10 years makes no financial sense for the utility. I worked in the utility industry for a company that sold metering / communications systems to utilities all over the country for 11 years. On the minus side with smart meters, the failure rate is far higher then was expected, so much so that much of the time that used to be spent doing physical disconnects is now taken up by replacing defective smart meters. The failure rate is FAR higher then was promised by the manufacturer, so much so that they are eating some of the replacement costs. Job security............ |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 10:20:19 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: i can't wait till California turns off everyone's power and car chargers, lol "You'll own nothing and go no where and you'll be happy "
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Posted: 9/2/2022 10:24:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was told on this very forum, within the last month, that this sort of thing was tinfoil, and anyone that thought this could happen is a luddite boomer. No you weren't. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 10:31:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They can do that with a gas car too. I don't know why you people insist on being willfully ignorant. It's not sexy. They can also refuse to sell you gas. The advantage of a gasoline powered vehicle over an electric one is that you are getting your fuel from a private sector company instead of a public government controlled utility. This is WHY the government is trying to push everyone into electric cars, so they can CONTROL them... ...and the dumbfucks are playing right into their hands. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 10:35:09 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The advantage of a gasoline powered vehicle over an electric one is that you are getting your fuel from a private sector company instead of a public government controlled utility. And that is WHY the government wants everyone in electric cars, so they can CONTROL them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They can do that with a gas car too. I don't know why you people insist on being willfully ignorant. It's not sexy. They can also refuse to sell you gas. The advantage of a gasoline powered vehicle over an electric one is that you are getting your fuel from a private sector company instead of a public government controlled utility. And that is WHY the government wants everyone in electric cars, so they can CONTROL them. Folks with the room can also store gas for emergencies. Not huge quantities, but better than nothin'. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 10:48:30 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Folks with the room can also store gas for emergencies. Not huge quantities, but better than nothin'. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: They can do that with a gas car too. I don't know why you people insist on being willfully ignorant. It's not sexy. They can also refuse to sell you gas. The advantage of a gasoline powered vehicle over an electric one is that you are getting your fuel from a private sector company instead of a public government controlled utility. And that is WHY the government wants everyone in electric cars, so they can CONTROL them. Folks with the room can also store gas for emergencies. Not huge quantities, but better than nothin'. You can charge a car off solar. Not fast, but better than nothin'
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Posted: 9/2/2022 10:48:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Utilities have been doing demand response long before smart meters came along. In my area, they had a device they would install directly on the outdoor AC unit that they could switch on/off. It could be controlled over their own comms network or have a cell modem in it. Just like this story though, it was a voluntary program that the homeowner had to enroll in. Smart meters are not as smart as most people give them credit for. They record usage just like the older meters did, the primary difference is they have the ability to send and receive the data via comms vs sending someone out to read them. Not all smart meters have the ability to be remotely shut off either, the disconnect switch is a physical switch that is installed in the meter and it has to be ordered with it. The disconnect switch doubles the cost of the meter, so most utilities only install them on rental properties and accounts that have frequent disconnects for nonpayment. Rolling a truck to shut off an account today because someone is moving out, then sending them back out 3 days later to reconnect when someone moves in, is expensive....so they can cost justify the disconnect switch. Adding a switch to an account that hasn't been disconnected / reconnected in 10 years makes no financial sense for the utility. I worked in the utility industry for a company that sold metering / communications systems to utilities all over the country for 11 years. Thanks for sharing that fascinating piece of useful information. For a brief moment in time, our utility actually offered their customers the choice to opt out of the Smart Meter program, so we did. They do a physical meter read every two months with the one in between an estimate. This works great for us as we pay one simple flat anytime use rate and the electro-mechanical meter has no external electronic control mechanism. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 10:54:04 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol 78 is fine. Mine is 78 during the day and 76 at night. Its been in the 90s for months. Pussies I generally can't tolerate anything over about 75 if I am doing physical work around the house. My wife complains of being cold if it's much below that. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 10:56:24 AM EDT
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Take those "smart" thermostats off and replace with an old school manual T-stat = problem solved. It's only a 3-4 wires that have to be switched over.
I've seen lots of youtubes with HVAC guys that hate those things. They are a such a hassle to diagnose if there is a problem with a computerized thermostat.  
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Posted: 9/2/2022 10:59:22 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They can do that with a gas car too. I don't know why you people insist on being willfully ignorant. It's not sexy. They can also refuse to sell you gas. They can stop someone from putting gas into their car that they already have? Like from a gas can? Willfully ignorant........lol |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 11:12:13 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Take those "smart" thermostats off and replace with an old school manual T-stat = problem solved. It's only a 3-4 wires that have to be switched over. I've seen lots of youtubes with HVAC guys that hate those things. They are a such a hassle to diagnose if there is a problem with a computerized thermostat. https://www.desertsunsnm.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Old-Thermostat.jpg https://2020cadillac.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/how-to-install-the-nest-thermostat-the-craftsman-blog-nest-thermostat-wiring-diagram.png Unless it's my house [and more then a couple customers houses I've been to] where some dipstick changed wire colors half way thru the wiring system. And if you have no common, [very typical in older houses] forget it, the manufacturers may claim it will work but it really won't long term. PS, quit lying when you call for repairs and just admit the issues started with your HVAC when you replaced the thermostat yourself so I don't waste time checking other parts of your system. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 7:50:29 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We already heat exclusively with wood. Now all I need to do is figure out how to build a wood-fired air conditioner. It's a puzzlement. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is just the beginning. The electric co will mandate a smart thermostat. Gas co will do the same. You can’t opt out. Can’t afford one? They will provide one. Refuse, they will install one out side. orAll will be supported and enforce by the state. We already heat exclusively with wood. Now all I need to do is figure out how to build a wood-fired air conditioner. It's a puzzlement. They make propane refrigerators and air conditioners. There are wood-fired automobiles which use wood gas. Look into powering an AC using wood gas. |
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Posted: 9/2/2022 8:27:24 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They sign up for that usually to get a discount. Never give up control of the thermostat. Yep, the last offer I remember getting was $35 for a year. I laughed when I saw it. Why TF would I give up that control for a one time $35 discount? People really are that stupid. Same thing with their Smart Meter program only you had to opt out to not get it. So much bullshit! Even after I opted out, a guy showed up to replace my meter anyway. At least he knocked first so I had the chance to refuse it. |
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