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What's the time stamp in the video where she claimed intruders were in the house or asked them to come inside?

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Well, I saw the first ten minutes before it got deleted.
Did he get into the self defense aspects of a large man pointing a gun at you in your home and threatening to shoot you in the fucking face?
The last I saw was him pointing out the vast disparity of size between the woman and Grayson.

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Not exactly.

The issue is whether Officer Grayson's use of deadly force was objectively reasonable based on the facts and circumstances confronting him at the time the force was used. See, Graham v. Connor, 490 U.S. 386, 397 (1989). A police officer may use deadly force if he has reasonable cause to believe that a suspect poses a threat of serious physical harm to the officer or others, and the officer, if feasible, warns the suspect before using deadly force. Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1, 11-12 (1985); Sherrod v. Berry, 856 F.2d 802, 805 (7th Cir.1988). The reasonableness of a police officer's use of deadly force "must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, ..." at the moment the force was used, and not in hindsight. Graham, 490 U.S. at 396.

That is the controlling caselaw in the 7th circuit that will be applied, probably verbatim.

If you look specifically at the Graham factors, two are automatically against any force at all being used - she wasn't under arrest and wasn't suspected of criminal activity at all, and thus she also couldn't have been resisting or evading arrest. That leaves the only possible justification as being the claim of immediate serious physical harm.

Had she actually "come at him" with a pot of boiling water, that would be different. But he created distance, and maintained plenty of distance. Then instead of backing away, he appears to begin to advance on her right before firing, which the Illinois State Police expert concluded was akin to attempting to create justification by placing yourself in danger, such as in front of a moving car. And whether or not she grabbed and attempted to throw or dump the pot, I don't believe any reasonable person would have believed she posed an immediate serious threat of physical harm to anyone. At least not yet. If she grabbed the pot and advanced on him, as if to dump it on him or something, that would be a much different situation.

Imagine if this was a paramedic in her home because she was suffering some episode and called 911, and she grabbed a pot and a non-LEO reacted in this way and shot her in the head... IMO, there would be no LEOS claiming it was justified.

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I don't like the "If it was a relative" view because that attempts to influence the decision with emotion.  From a rational perspective this was a bad shoot.

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I think the question is more about injecting a tiny bit of humanity into the discussion.

We all know one of the big reasons a few guys here are saying good shoot (and always do in cases like this), and we also know for nearly certain they wouldn't be saying it if the victim was their own wife or daughter.

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My point is people just don't care about the facts because they are dismissive of the victim.  She doesn't matter to them so the facts don't matter

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The cop told her he was going to shoot her in her face. She said she was sorry and was cowering on the ground. The cop kept yelling at her as he was moving forward pointing the gun at her. She was so scared and confused her natural reaction was to try to cower behind the pot. At this point she was in fear of her life, she thought she was going to get shot in the face and that's when the first shot was fired.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32274/Screenshot_2024-07-26_at_08-13-08_REAL_L-3277413.JPG

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Sad situation, and cop was an A-hole, but that's what I saw too. No way he should have been charged.

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Ahhhh the family that cared so much they didn't help her when she was alive but now that they can collect a check with Ben crump are very super angry.

You guys fall for this shit every election cycle.

Wait until the next extra deadly disease shows up any day now.

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Ahhhh the family that cared so much they didn’t help her when she was alive but now that they can collect a check with Ben crump are very super angry.

You guys fall for this shit every election cycle.

Wait until the next extra deadly disease shows up any day now.

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40 min and still doesn’t show the video of her throwing the pot of boiling water.

ETA here’s a lawyer that doesn’t just chase settlements.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crviPQk2ox0

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You can see the whole thing. She pops up, raises it above her head and chucks it at them.

Before we makes Sonya Massey George Floyd 2.0, let’s consider how this could have played out if she had scalded a police officer in the face with boiling water and he had dropped his firearm as a result.

Also, hot water scalding CAN be life threatening.

pic.twitter.com/Bxgd3dophE

Frank J. McCormick  (@CBHeresy) July 23, 2024

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Sad situation, and cop was an A-hole, but that's what I saw too. No way he should have been charged.

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Lol, the lawyer who thinks Shaver was a good shoot. Let me guess.... she should have complied harder!

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@Mods

Will you please police the damn troll?  He is continuously arguing against all facts presented to him in an effort to be an ass.