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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:56:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SnoGoRider]
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 Critical Shortage Causes Vista Outdoors To SUSPEND Gunpowder Shipments  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:00:25 AM EDT
[#1]
How many here saw this coming and have stacked deep?
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:03:08 AM EDT
[#2]
I've been telling my customers to buy now for the fall...
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:03:52 AM EDT
[#3]
Might be time to start boycotting the ammo companies that are gouging us. Let them go out of business.
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:05:08 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cavedog: How many here saw this coming and have stacked deep? Israel is waiting on 10,000 plus heavy bombs, like JDAM's and others. Good knows what Ukraine is getting and waiting on and add in what Taiwan is waiting on, plus filling the US Military and other nations orders. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:05:41 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Andrewsky: Might be time to start boycotting the ammo companies that are gouging us. Let them go out of business. 
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:06:23 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Andrewsky: Might be time to start boycotting the ammo companies that are gouging us. Let them go out of business. Everyone one is busy trying to grow their artillery production by an order of magnitude, unless you’re willing to pay, they nitro is going to the government. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:07:00 AM EDT
[#7]
Doom!
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:07:40 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Andrewsky: Might be time to start boycotting the ammo companies that are gouging us. Let them go out of business. 
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:08:55 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cavedog: How many here saw this coming and have stacked deep? I'm OK for a while not really burning though what I have but of course there is never enough |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:12:20 AM EDT
[#10]
Just picked up an 8lb jug of N560 at the low price of just $399.99 Gouging? Yep, but it will keep my 300 win mag fed for a while. Still have about 4 lbs left in the other jug too.
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:17:25 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GimpyPaw: Just picked up an 8lb jug of N560 at the low price of just $399.99 Gouging? Yep, but it will keep my 300 win mag fed for a while. Still have about 4 lbs left in the other jug too. I just checked what I paid per a 8lb jug of Accurate 2230 four years ago: $167. Now it's $300. And it's about the cheapest .223 powder I could find. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:19:10 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cavedog: How many here saw this coming and have stacked deep?
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:22:39 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cavedog: How many here saw this coming and have stacked deep? You have no idea  Enough to outfit a small dictatorship they said, so I did 
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USA
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:28:01 AM EDT
[#14]
Interesting that Ukraine vs Russia has resulted in shortages that 20 years of GWOT did not.
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:31:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AKSnowRider]
[#15]
Well that sucks was hoping to see some RL-33..still got enough for now, but more would be better, it goes fast when its a 100 grains per cartridge......
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:43:29 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:45:19 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobRoberts: Everyone one is busy trying to grow their artillery production by an order of magnitude, unless you're willing to pay, they nitro is going to the government. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 12:58:32 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cavedog: How many here saw this coming and have stacked deep? Years ago |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 1:04:34 AM EDT
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Rough math shows I have enough for 37k rounds of 9mm. Fair amount of rifle powder as well. Not totally content but it'll have to do for now.
Will run out of primers first. Got the kit to reload them but meh. I screw up simple reloads enough. Don't need to make it more complicated. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 1:13:11 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pepe-lepew: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pepe-lepew: Originally Posted By cavedog: How many here saw this coming and have stacked deep? Yup, I’ve been through this before. I just ordered a bunch of Dillon stuff to outfit the XL750 to do another rifle caliber. I’m still never gonna shoot it all up. Maybe my grandkids will have to worry about it? |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 1:17:40 AM EDT
[#21]
Sierra club is responsible for the shortage and the federal government for being a bunch of fuckups and basically enviro-mental laws destroyed the production of all black and smokeless powders in the U.S..
And the government of kalifornia needs to be eradicated from the mainland and extradited to cuba, Gitmo for reeducation to send to urope 
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Posted: 5/12/2024 1:20:55 AM EDT
[#22]
War always brings out the weak link/s in the supply chain of goods. Unfortunately, in the modern age, it's a product that the government really doesn't want us mere small people to have in the first place.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/12/2024 1:32:27 AM EDT
[#23]
Vista is borderline anti-gun and has been for years.
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Posted: 5/12/2024 1:42:01 AM EDT
[#24]
Powder prices, especially Alliant are getting ridiculous
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/12/2024 1:58:46 AM EDT
[#25]
are we seeing a new business for PSA?
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/12/2024 2:07:43 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By yamahawarrior89: Powder prices, especially Alliant are getting ridiculous 50-70 A pound on average. Absolutely gouging people, just like the primers. I've since gone to Shooters World, but they are edging up their prices quickly as well. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 5/12/2024 3:10:26 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Andrewsky: Might be time to start boycotting the ammo companies that are gouging us. Let them go out of business. Well when we're on the brink of WWIII on multiple fronts there's a shortage of nitrocellulose used in everything needed for war. Commercial sales and reloading take a backseat in times like this. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 3:13:45 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By memsu: Well when we're on the brink of WWIII on multiple fronts there's a shortage of nitrocellulose used in everything needed for war. Commercial sales and reloading take a backseat in times like this. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 3:46:10 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: Interesting that Ukraine vs Russia has resulted in shortages that 20 years of GWOT did not. Because that was less of a shooting war over the 20 year period. The periods of time with active force on force in OIF and OEF was shorter, and the US wasnt scouring the world for munitions a year into the conflicts |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 3:58:11 AM EDT
[#30]
Damn , I haven’t been paying attention to prices . Maybe time to sell some of my stash in 6 mos to a year from now . 4895 over $60 at midway .
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TN, USA
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Posted: 5/12/2024 5:20:52 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Andrewsky: Might be time to start boycotting the ammo companies that are gouging us. Let them go out of business.  So you were just told there's a shortage and your initial response is to boycott? There won't be anything to boycott. Yeesh. Gouging?  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 5:42:29 AM EDT
[#32]
Not concerned, I DON’T reload
 j/k - just membering all those smug, myopic posts from the I ONLY give a shit about MY Rights crowd. In reality, I hav enough “Lil Gun” left to load up about another 500 .410 shells. After that, I’ll be paying $17/box of 25, when I can find them Traveling to a machinegun shoot later this month and while packing up my ammunition, I added-up the replacement cost and it was staggering. and yet, I can’t help but believe that this whole “crisis” was in fact purposely created to have this exact outcome 
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Posted: 5/12/2024 5:49:01 AM EDT
[#33]
i hope nothing happens to PV with all this non sense. they have been my go to for a decade
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Posted: 5/12/2024 6:04:12 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Andrewsky: I'm just saying I think we should be wary of these giant ammo consortiums that are taking over. I don't think it's a good thing. I concur. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 6:16:23 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/12/2024 6:19:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: tc556guy]
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Makarov: Not concerned, I DON’T reload j/k - just membering all those smug, myopic posts from the I ONLY give a shit about MY Rights crowd. In reality, I hav enough “Lil Gun” left to load up about another 500 .410 shells. After that, I’ll be paying $17/box of 25, when I can find them Traveling to a machinegun shoot later this month and while packing up my ammunition, I added-up the replacement cost and it was staggering. and yet, I can’t help but believe that this whole “crisis” was in fact purposely created to have this exact outcome You may not reload but if there's a powder shortage either real or manufactured then it will inevitably spill into the availability of commercially loaded ammunition |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 6:34:54 AM EDT
[#37]
This powder works well for 30-06:
https://americanreloading.com/product/mp-625-smokeless-rifle-powder-8-lbs/ |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 6:58:45 AM EDT
[#38]
Oh shit, never fails. The spice starts flowing and then some BS panic/ shortage hits
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/12/2024 7:08:18 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: You may not reload but if there's a powder shortage either real or manufactured then it will inevitably spill into the availability of commercially loaded ammunition That's my biggest concern. I'm good for a while on reloading components, and I have a decent ammo stash, but I can see the shortages eventually affecting availability of commercial ammo. It wouldn't be quite as bad if we as a country had retained the capability of producing more of our own powder/munitions rather than relying on foreigners, but that's the fault of the MBAs and fucking short sighted corporate/govt leaders. I'm not going to get all tin-foily and say its an conspiracy, but gee it sure is convienient. If the antis can't get rid of our guns, they can price it out of reach for the commoners, leading to a diminishment of the "gun culture".
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Posted: 5/12/2024 7:28:57 AM EDT
[#40]
Not a good time to start reloading new calibers.
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Posted: 5/12/2024 7:57:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Firestarter123]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GaryM: Not a good time to start reloading new calibers. Nope. Thats why instead of getting a 300WSM to replace the 300WM that I sold a few years ago I just got a TRG-42 instead since I have 35lbs of powder that will work in 300WM but won’t in 300WSM. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 8:04:29 AM EDT
[#42]
I was a reloading phenom until a few years ago. Now I have essentially no supplies/equipment. I'm old enough now to know I'll NEVER run out of ammo now so I let my son have both of my 650s along with probably 200 lbs. of Varget and other powders. I'm sitting on cases and cases of .556 and 9mm from 20 years ago along with what I loaded over time. It's a sad day for new shooters and those on tight budgets.
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Posted: 5/12/2024 8:08:16 AM EDT
[#43]
Unless the U.S. federal government goes all WWII and subsidizes more smokeless powder manufacturing plants, prices will fluctuate easily.
The irony is smokeless powder is easy to manufacture, though there is a lot of chemical and physical processing/blending that is required for it to be loaded into a shell casing or bags. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 8:19:24 AM EDT
[#44]
Sam at SGAmmo be like
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USA
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Posted: 5/12/2024 8:26:00 AM EDT
[#45]
Totally real this time. Source: trust me bros (customers)
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/12/2024 8:37:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RhinelandArms]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LnWlf: Totally real this time. Source: trust me bros (customers) Well, I am in the firearms manufacturing side of things. There is a lot of odd stuff going on right now that is hitting the small and medium companies hard and not just in the munitions side, but all mfg. Not going into details because it might be defense related. The last time I saw this was early 2001. I dont know what to think of it as nothing makes sense. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 8:42:48 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Andrewsky: Might be time to start boycotting the ammo companies that are gouging us. Let them go out of business. I can’t help but wonder how old you are. They aren’t shipping powder to the civilian sector because they have so many orders for factory ammunition and artillery propellants… how are you going to boycott them? They’ve already boycotted you. lol. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 8:45:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: glklvr]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By billclo: I'm not going to get all tin-foily and say its an conspiracy, but gee it sure is convienient. If the antis can't get rid of our guns, they can price it out of reach for the commoners, leading to a diminishment of the "gun culture". Civilian shooting is a drop in the bucket compared to military use of artillery and bombs, and there two major conflicts going on right now that we're supplying half the munitions for. The US government appreciates your sacrifice. |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 8:48:39 AM EDT
[#49]
So it begins again...
I was going to wait until I moved, but I just ordered enough pistol powder to keep me going for a couple years
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Posted: 5/12/2024 8:52:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9divdoc]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Efl15: Doom! no badda boom |
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