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Originally Posted By macman37: I know you’re trying to cage me in as the flights-of-fancy guy and you’re the stoic science guy, but it’s not like that. Lots of scientists are sci-fi fans and use science to prove what used to be fiction. You kind of admit this yourself. Oh, absolutely. I'm a dyed-in-the-wool nerd/geek/scifi/fantasy nut. Hell, I write scifi/fantasy. But I don't believe it. It's called fiction and fantasy for a reason. And no, I'm not trying to cage you into anything. My comments were general, not directed at you, and if you took it that way, I apologize. Flights of fancy are fine, and we discuss them a lot (well...ad nauseum) here, but when people start taking them too seriously, I try and point it out. That's all. |
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: Oh, absolutely. I'm a dyed-in-the-wool nerd/geek/scifi/fantasy nut. Hell, I write scifi/fantasy. But I don't believe it. It's called fiction and fantasy for a reason. And no, I'm not trying to cage you into anything. My comments were general, not directed at you, and if you took it that way, I apologize. Flights of fancy are fine, and we discuss them a lot (well...ad nauseum) here, but when people start taking them too seriously, I try and point it out. That's all. Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By macman37: I know you’re trying to cage me in as the flights-of-fancy guy and you’re the stoic science guy, but it’s not like that. Lots of scientists are sci-fi fans and use science to prove what used to be fiction. You kind of admit this yourself. Oh, absolutely. I'm a dyed-in-the-wool nerd/geek/scifi/fantasy nut. Hell, I write scifi/fantasy. But I don't believe it. It's called fiction and fantasy for a reason. And no, I'm not trying to cage you into anything. My comments were general, not directed at you, and if you took it that way, I apologize. Flights of fancy are fine, and we discuss them a lot (well...ad nauseum) here, but when people start taking them too seriously, I try and point it out. That's all. I’ll only point this out so you know, but you did call out the caveat I wrote, as being the intellectually dishonest part and I’m simply letting you know there was no dishonesty intended on my part. No worries, I didn’t take it personal and we’re totally good - I view this place as a spot we can discuss things and you were completely fine in that you were discussing what I wrote. No apologies necessary and I took it in the spirit intended.  Let me try one more thing here to see if I can get my point across… As new science is discovered and becomes mainstream, things that were formerly fiction or fantasy become accepted reality… For example, I have on my wrist a watch that can wirelessly connect with people, navigate me places, entertain me via music or podcasts, and much more. I just upgraded my Apple watch and I feel like I’m barely scratching the surface of this thing’s capability. That was the stuff of Dick Tracy comic strips and science fiction (Star Trek) previous to scientists discovering the principles that wireless communication is built on. What was fiction/fantasy in the 1930s, 40s and 50s, became scientific fact in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, and is incorporated into easily purchased commercial products today. And by the same template, things that amount to science fiction today will be fact in the future, and disseminated and democratized similarly. |
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: By the gods, this site needs a like button. Half of me says it's a distraction. The other half is hopeful this will happen with some real proof/evidence the normies can buy into. |
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Originally Posted By sq40: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/IMG_3273_jpeg-3716589.JPG I still have a hard time with this guy. It's quite possible I'm misguided on my intuition about him but I have my doubts. I sometimes ponder if his job was to be at the top of "disclosure " ,to direct it in productive ways to those in the know,that purport to be in the service of transparency but are more about narrative and information control. If Trump puts out a statement and a ton of redacted files, are the controlled opposition agents going to be taking victory lap claiming we have enough disclosure when in reality not a fucking thing of substance has changed? Im pessimistic in nature about this stuff so I might see boogie men in places they are not. 
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Originally Posted By macman37: Let me try one more thing here to see if I can get my point across… As new science is discovered and becomes mainstream, things that were formerly fiction or fantasy become accepted reality… For example, I have on my wrist a watch that can wirelessly connect with people, navigate me places, entertain me via music or podcasts, and much more. I just upgraded my Apple watch and I feel like I’m barely scratching the surface of this thing’s capability. That was the stuff of Dick Tracy comic strips and science fiction (Star Trek) previous to scientists discovering the principles that wireless communication is built on. What was fiction/fantasy in the 1930s, 40s and 50s, became scientific fact in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, and is incorporated into easily purchased commercial products today. And by the same template, things that amount to science fiction today will be fact in the future, and disseminated and democratized similarly. You're right, the sci-fi of yesteryear has somewhat become the norm of today. However, that said, expecting warp drives/FTL travel, a Federation of Planets to be waiting out there for us, or the sci-fi of today to become tomorrow's reality is a big ask. The fundamental knowledge of physics (which would need a complete paradigm shift to allow for FTL travel) hasn't changed significantly in 50 years. The best theories we have to unify Relativity with the Quantum world are essentially untestable, making them useless. That may be because they aren't actually able to be unified. The physics of spacetime and gravity may simply be the underlying backdrop on which all of the other window dressing plays out. The early- to mid-1900's were a time of astronomical leaps forward. In less than a century, we went from wagons and carriages to space travel. That isn't the case today...things are much smaller, more incremental, when gains are made. I wouldn't expect to live the wild whirlwind of technological advancement your grandparents and great grandparents did. Hell, we don't even have a useable, affordable flying car yet. 
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: Hell, we don't even have a useable, affordable flying car yet. Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By macman37: Let me try one more thing here to see if I can get my point across… As new science is discovered and becomes mainstream, things that were formerly fiction or fantasy become accepted reality… For example, I have on my wrist a watch that can wirelessly connect with people, navigate me places, entertain me via music or podcasts, and much more. I just upgraded my Apple watch and I feel like I’m barely scratching the surface of this thing’s capability. That was the stuff of Dick Tracy comic strips and science fiction (Star Trek) previous to scientists discovering the principles that wireless communication is built on. What was fiction/fantasy in the 1930s, 40s and 50s, became scientific fact in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, and is incorporated into easily purchased commercial products today. And by the same template, things that amount to science fiction today will be fact in the future, and disseminated and democratized similarly. Hell, we don't even have a useable, affordable flying car yet. As an aside, we kind of do; https://jetson.com/ |
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: You're right, the sci-fi of yesteryear has somewhat become the norm of today. However, that said, expecting warp drives/FTL travel, a Federation of Planets to be waiting out there for us, or the sci-fi of today to become tomorrow's reality is a big ask. The fundamental knowledge of physics (which would need a complete paradigm shift to allow for FTL travel) hasn't changed significantly in 50 years. The best theories we have to unify Relativity with the Quantum world are essentially untestable, making them useless. That may be because they aren't actually able to be unified. The physics of spacetime and gravity may simply be the underlying backdrop on which all of the other window dressing plays out. The early- to mid-1900's were a time of astronomical leaps forward. In less than a century, we went from wagons and carriages to space travel. That isn't the case today...things are much smaller, more incremental, when gains are made. I wouldn't expect to live the wild whirlwind of technological advancement your grandparents and great grandparents did. Hell, we don't even have a useable, affordable flying car yet. Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By macman37: Let me try one more thing here to see if I can get my point across… As new science is discovered and becomes mainstream, things that were formerly fiction or fantasy become accepted reality… For example, I have on my wrist a watch that can wirelessly connect with people, navigate me places, entertain me via music or podcasts, and much more. I just upgraded my Apple watch and I feel like I’m barely scratching the surface of this thing’s capability. That was the stuff of Dick Tracy comic strips and science fiction (Star Trek) previous to scientists discovering the principles that wireless communication is built on. What was fiction/fantasy in the 1930s, 40s and 50s, became scientific fact in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, and is incorporated into easily purchased commercial products today. And by the same template, things that amount to science fiction today will be fact in the future, and disseminated and democratized similarly. You're right, the sci-fi of yesteryear has somewhat become the norm of today. However, that said, expecting warp drives/FTL travel, a Federation of Planets to be waiting out there for us, or the sci-fi of today to become tomorrow's reality is a big ask. The fundamental knowledge of physics (which would need a complete paradigm shift to allow for FTL travel) hasn't changed significantly in 50 years. The best theories we have to unify Relativity with the Quantum world are essentially untestable, making them useless. That may be because they aren't actually able to be unified. The physics of spacetime and gravity may simply be the underlying backdrop on which all of the other window dressing plays out. The early- to mid-1900's were a time of astronomical leaps forward. In less than a century, we went from wagons and carriages to space travel. That isn't the case today...things are much smaller, more incremental, when gains are made. I wouldn't expect to live the wild whirlwind of technological advancement your grandparents and great grandparents did. Hell, we don't even have a useable, affordable flying car yet. I honestly think you’re under-selling the incredible advances we’ve seen in our lifetimes. In my lifetime, the microcircuit changed our lives, the Internet made the world smaller, and AI mixed with quantum computing is about to blow all of that away. This is amazing stuff, and we’re on the precipice of something even bigger if AI truly does what we’re forseeing it do. And yes, I want my flying car! 
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Originally Posted By macman37: I honestly think you’re under-selling the incredible advances we’ve seen in our lifetimes. In my lifetime, the microcircuit changed our lives, the Internet made the world smaller, and AI mixed with quantum computing is about to blow all of that away. This is amazing stuff, and we’re on the precipice of something even bigger if AI truly does what we’re forseeing it do. And yes, I want my flying car! Again, you are correct about the miracles of modern computing in our lifetimes (I'll be 55 tomorrow, so I've seen the world change), but more computing power isn't likely to fundamentally alter the nature of reality or the known laws of physics. It's those very laws that are making quantum computing so damnably difficult. I don't predict computing advances will equal FTL, in other words. 
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: Hell, we don't even have a useable, affordable flying car yet. Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By macman37: Let me try one more thing here to see if I can get my point across As new science is discovered and becomes mainstream, things that were formerly fiction or fantasy become accepted reality For example, I have on my wrist a watch that can wirelessly connect with people, navigate me places, entertain me via music or podcasts, and much more. I just upgraded my Apple watch and I feel like I'm barely scratching the surface of this thing's capability. That was the stuff of Dick Tracy comic strips and science fiction (Star Trek) previous to scientists discovering the principles that wireless communication is built on. What was fiction/fantasy in the 1930s, 40s and 50s, became scientific fact in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, and is incorporated into easily purchased commercial products today. And by the same template, things that amount to science fiction today will be fact in the future, and disseminated and democratized similarly. Have you seen how people drive non-flying cars? I'm not a fan of worrying about somebody crashing into my house/me/literally everything else from above. |
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: Again, you are correct about the miracles of modern computing in our lifetimes (I'll be 55 tomorrow, so I've seen the world change), but more computing power isn't likely to fundamentally alter the nature of reality or the known laws of physics. It's those very laws that are making quantum computing so damnably difficult. I don't predict computing advances will equal FTL, in other words. Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By macman37: I honestly think you’re under-selling the incredible advances we’ve seen in our lifetimes. In my lifetime, the microcircuit changed our lives, the Internet made the world smaller, and AI mixed with quantum computing is about to blow all of that away. This is amazing stuff, and we’re on the precipice of something even bigger if AI truly does what we’re forseeing it do. And yes, I want my flying car! Again, you are correct about the miracles of modern computing in our lifetimes (I'll be 55 tomorrow, so I've seen the world change), but more computing power isn't likely to fundamentally alter the nature of reality or the known laws of physics. It's those very laws that are making quantum computing so damnably difficult. I don't predict computing advances will equal FTL, in other words. The Internet is both the cause and part of the solution to the fucked up world we live in. The whole pronoun war and number of kids suddenly needing sex change surgery and BS like that is out of hand. The other problem is the cost of a new desktop computer of medium power, not a high end gaming system, but line that can run some processor intensive tasks like FPGA and Circuit routing and Unit Testing which is pretty brutal as it's a form of the traveling salesman problem which is still NP-Hard (Only solved by brute force at this time without quantum computers anyway) |
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: Again, you are correct about the miracles of modern computing in our lifetimes (I'll be 55 tomorrow, so I've seen the world change), but more computing power isn't likely to fundamentally alter the nature of reality or the known laws of physics. It's those very laws that are making quantum computing so damnably difficult. I don't predict computing advances will equal FTL, in other words. Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By macman37: I honestly think you’re under-selling the incredible advances we’ve seen in our lifetimes. In my lifetime, the microcircuit changed our lives, the Internet made the world smaller, and AI mixed with quantum computing is about to blow all of that away. This is amazing stuff, and we’re on the precipice of something even bigger if AI truly does what we’re forseeing it do. And yes, I want my flying car! Again, you are correct about the miracles of modern computing in our lifetimes (I'll be 55 tomorrow, so I've seen the world change), but more computing power isn't likely to fundamentally alter the nature of reality or the known laws of physics. It's those very laws that are making quantum computing so damnably difficult. I don't predict computing advances will equal FTL, in other words. @Kagetora Happy Birthday!!!   |
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All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
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Originally Posted By brass: @Kagetora Happy Birthday!!! Thanks, brother. 55 on G. Washington's BDay.  I wish I was half the man he was. |
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Originally Posted By Cypher214: Have you seen how people drive non-flying cars? I'm not a fan of worrying about somebody crashing into my house/me/literally everything else from above. Point taken. I live in the boondocks, so the scene from Blade Runner 2049 where he's asleep in his flying car on the way to "work" is very appealing every morning...
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Originally Posted By Kagetora:.....but more computing power isn't likely to fundamentally alter the nature of reality or the known laws of physics. It's those very laws that are making quantum computing so damnably difficult.[/img] |
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: Thanks, brother. 55 on G. Washington's BDay. I wish I was half the man he was. Happy Birthday! |
“How strange it is that man on earth should roam,
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
And lead a life of woe, but not forsake
His rugged path; nor dare he view alone
His future doom which is but to awake.” - John Keats
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Originally Posted By sq40: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/IMG_3273_jpeg-3716589.JPG Oh that’s an awesome tweet! Maybe just maybe it’s happening. Let the chips fall where they may. |
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Originally Posted By Kagetora: You're right, the sci-fi of yesteryear has somewhat become the norm of today. However, that said, expecting warp drives/FTL travel, a Federation of Planets to be waiting out there for us, or the sci-fi of today to become tomorrow's reality is a big ask. The fundamental knowledge of physics (which would need a complete paradigm shift to allow for FTL travel) hasn't changed significantly in 50 years. The best theories we have to unify Relativity with the Quantum world are essentially untestable, making them useless. That may be because they aren't actually able to be unified. The physics of spacetime and gravity may simply be the underlying backdrop on which all of the other window dressing plays out. The early- to mid-1900's were a time of astronomical leaps forward. In less than a century, we went from wagons and carriages to space travel. That isn't the case today...things are much smaller, more incremental, when gains are made. I wouldn't expect to live the wild whirlwind of technological advancement your grandparents and great grandparents did. Ok Hell, we don't even have a useable, affordable flying car yet. Originally Posted By Kagetora: Originally Posted By macman37: Let me try one more thing here to see if I can get my point across… As new science is discovered and becomes mainstream, things that were formerly fiction or fantasy become accepted reality… For example, I have on my wrist a watch that can wirelessly connect with people, navigate me places, entertain me via music or podcasts, and much more. I just upgraded my Apple watch and I feel like I’m barely scratching the surface of this thing’s capability. That was the stuff of Dick Tracy comic strips and science fiction (Star Trek) previous to scientists discovering the principles that wireless communication is built on. What was fiction/fantasy in the 1930s, 40s and 50s, became scientific fact in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, and is incorporated into easily purchased commercial products today. And by the same template, things that amount to science fiction today will be fact in the future, and disseminated and democratized similarly. You're right, the sci-fi of yesteryear has somewhat become the norm of today. However, that said, expecting warp drives/FTL travel, a Federation of Planets to be waiting out there for us, or the sci-fi of today to become tomorrow's reality is a big ask. The fundamental knowledge of physics (which would need a complete paradigm shift to allow for FTL travel) hasn't changed significantly in 50 years. The best theories we have to unify Relativity with the Quantum world are essentially untestable, making them useless. That may be because they aren't actually able to be unified. The physics of spacetime and gravity may simply be the underlying backdrop on which all of the other window dressing plays out. The early- to mid-1900's were a time of astronomical leaps forward. In less than a century, we went from wagons and carriages to space travel. That isn't the case today...things are much smaller, more incremental, when gains are made. I wouldn't expect to live the wild whirlwind of technological advancement your grandparents and great grandparents did. Ok Hell, we don't even have a useable, affordable flying car yet. I’m beginning to believe there really is nothing that is fiction . Given time nearly every movie we once believed to be fiction whether vampires, werewolves, time travel, interstellar space travel, warp drives. Aliens, anything you can think of just about is eventually turning out to be true. We humans create this stuff with our minds. Not to mention the matrix we live in. |