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Posted: 3/23/2023 5:32:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Uh Andor is GREAT. Disney can do it right. I find your faith in Disney disturbing. |
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Posted: 3/23/2023 6:08:08 PM EDT
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You are going to have the silly stuff encapsulated in plot armor. It’s just the way it is. It’s basic story structure, it always has been this way. It’s Star Wars.
As long as we don’t get queers and Transformers I will stay entertained. |
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Posted: 3/23/2023 6:11:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TacticalGarand44: I’m almost worried they won’t be able to portray Thrawn as a villain in live action. I, like everyone else, got introduced to the expanded universe with Heir to the Empire and the original Thrawn trilogy. He really wasn’t portrayed as a bad guy. You could sympathize with his goals, admire his personality, and wish you had his insight into his enemies. We needed the Empire to lose, but you never felt yourself rooting against Thrawn personally. He’s too damn smart, and charismatic. You always wanted to see what he had up his sleeve. One of the books, maybe called Outward Bound? had an awesome scene where Thrawn exploits every tactical advantage possible, and obliterates a fleet sent by Sidious. Another funny thing about the EU is his sidekick, Pelleion, turned into a great character in his own right in the later books. Probably one of my favorite characters in Star Wars in fact. Also, Chimaera is probably the coolest name every applied to a vessel in either fiction or real life. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TacticalGarand44: Originally Posted By happycynic: Originally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Reminds me of what Harrison Ford told Mark Hamill on the set of Episode IV when Hamill was complaining about some continuity error (or something like that): "Hey kid, it ain't that kind of movie."  Then Disney came and shat over everything. EU: So, after Endor, the Empire had no successor and broke into several warring states that the Rebellion was able to exploit to become the New Republic. Disney: So there's this First Order and they just have a lot of huge capital ships and a superweapon and the Resistance only has a couple squadrons of starfighters. What do you mean New Republic? Fine, the Superweapon blows up their fleet. What do you mean how did they one-shot a galaxy spanning empire of a million habitable worlds? IT'S NOT THAT KIND OF MOVIE! I’m almost worried they won’t be able to portray Thrawn as a villain in live action. I, like everyone else, got introduced to the expanded universe with Heir to the Empire and the original Thrawn trilogy. He really wasn’t portrayed as a bad guy. You could sympathize with his goals, admire his personality, and wish you had his insight into his enemies. We needed the Empire to lose, but you never felt yourself rooting against Thrawn personally. He’s too damn smart, and charismatic. You always wanted to see what he had up his sleeve. One of the books, maybe called Outward Bound? had an awesome scene where Thrawn exploits every tactical advantage possible, and obliterates a fleet sent by Sidious. Another funny thing about the EU is his sidekick, Pelleion, turned into a great character in his own right in the later books. Probably one of my favorite characters in Star Wars in fact. Also, Chimaera is probably the coolest name every applied to a vessel in either fiction or real life. Unless you are fairly old. There were Marvel Star Wars comics, then some other Marvel big comic/magazine story Star Wars story, Then Splinter of the Mind’s Eye book. Three Han Solo books. This gets us to about 1980. Then three Lando books. This takes to to mid 1980s. The Thrawn Trilogy and Dark Empire comics would have been early 1990s. Now, in real time, I rember the Holiday Special on TV, I remember the Star Wars comic books, the han solo books, the minds eye book, When the thrawn trilogy came out, and sort of knew there were some droids and Ewoks cartoons on Saturday mornings my little brother watched around the time I was first in the army. I didn’t know about the dark horse comics or Lando books until later. |
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Posted: 3/23/2023 6:18:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger: yup, I try not to overanalyze it and just enjoy the escapism... This is the way Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HiramRanger: Originally Posted By TheTallest: I’m glad I don’t have the same problem as some of you. I shit my brain off and just let myself be entertained. I’ve been enjoying this season. I have not watched yesterday’s episode yet because I’m waiting for my daughter to want to watch it. yup, I try not to overanalyze it and just enjoy the escapism... This is the way |
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Posted: 3/23/2023 6:27:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TacticalGarand44: I'm almost worried they won't be able to portray Thrawn as a villain in live action. I, like everyone else, got introduced to the expanded universe with Heir to the Empire and the original Thrawn trilogy. He really wasn't portrayed as a bad guy. You could sympathize with his goals, admire his personality, and wish you had his insight into his enemies. We needed the Empire to lose, but you never felt yourself rooting against Thrawn personally. He's too damn smart, and charismatic. You always wanted to see what he had up his sleeve. One of the books, maybe called Outward Bound? had an awesome scene where Thrawn exploits every tactical advantage possible, and obliterates a fleet sent by Sidious. Another funny thing about the EU is his sidekick, Pelleion, turned into a great character in his own right in the later books. Probably one of my favorite characters in Star Wars in fact. Also, Chimaera is probably the coolest name every applied to a vessel in either fiction or real life. |
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Posted: 3/23/2023 6:42:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/6578B03F-C6AB-44D2-9829-8851B7318BE5-478.gif Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Originally Posted By TheTallest: I’m glad I don’t have the same problem as some of you. I shit my brain off and just let myself be entertained. I’ve been enjoying this season. I have not watched yesterday’s episode yet because I’m waiting for my daughter to want to watch it. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/6578B03F-C6AB-44D2-9829-8851B7318BE5-478.gif Yeah, I was going to fix it but some people had already quoted me before I caught the auto correct mistake so I decided there was no point in fixing it. Shit...shut...what's the difference? 
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Posted: 3/23/2023 7:44:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RattleCanAR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: I find your faith in Disney disturbing. Did you find Andor to be the same garbage as Mando?  Andor | Luthen Rael’s Monologue | Disney+  Andor | Karis Nemik’s Manifesto | Disney+  The Mandalorian season 3 is garbage |
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Posted: 3/23/2023 7:53:25 PM EDT
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Sheesh, you people.
Yesterday, I watched Star Wars (The Mandalorian) with my son. We enjoyed it. We didn't critique the volume, or the bad puppetry, or the fact that rando Mandos were just shooting into the water. We just enjoyed it and had fun geeking out over a Mando squad taking on monsters. I got to share a thing that I enjoyed as a kid with my kid. Could it be better? Sure. Could it be worse? I invite you to visit The Last Jedi (specifically Canto Bight). Or we could have no Star Wars at all. |
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Posted: 3/23/2023 8:01:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarkMustang: Sheesh, you people. Yesterday, I watched Star Wars (The Mandalorian) with my son. We enjoyed it. We didn't critique the volume, or the bad puppetry, or the fact that rando Mandos were just shooting into the water. We just enjoyed it and had fun geeking out over a Mando squad taking on monsters. I got to share a thing that I enjoyed as a kid with my kid. Could it be better? Sure. Could it be worse? I invite you to visit The Last Jedi (specifically Canto Bight). Or we could have no Star Wars at all. Masterpiece or garbage! And many think its all garbage Others hate Disney Etc etc |
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Posted: 3/23/2023 8:25:48 PM EDT
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I really wish they would have used the Dark Empire comics for the sequel trilogy.
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Posted: 3/23/2023 8:29:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By user4574: After next week it won't be. its getting the firefly treatment? |
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Posted: 3/23/2023 8:40:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Jayne_Cobb]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fat_McNasty: its getting the firefly treatment? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fat_McNasty: Originally Posted By user4574: After next week it won't be. its getting the firefly treatment?  I'm enjoying Bo's spiritual revival, but I'm not sure what her balance is between authenticity and political leverage. I do think she is legitimately conflicted in the matter though. |
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Posted: 3/23/2023 9:13:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fat_McNasty: its getting the firefly treatment? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fat_McNasty: Originally Posted By user4574: After next week it won't be. its getting the firefly treatment? No, season finale for Bad Batch. |
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Posted: 3/23/2023 9:20:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArGyLe64: I really wish they would have used the I corrected that for you |
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Posted: 3/23/2023 9:21:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/23/2023 9:22:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarkMustang: Sheesh, you people. Yesterday, I watched Star Wars (The Mandalorian) with my son. We enjoyed it. We didn't critique the volume, or the bad puppetry, or the fact that rando Mandos were just shooting into the water. We just enjoyed it and had fun geeking out over a Mando squad taking on monsters. I got to share a thing that I enjoyed as a kid with my kid. Could it be better? Sure. Could it be worse? I invite you to visit The Last Jedi (specifically Canto Bight). Or we could have no Star Wars at all. This is the way. I also watch it with my teenagers |
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Posted: 3/23/2023 9:22:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Uh Andor is GREAT. Disney can do it right. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By mikepiet: Ditto. Beginning to think the only shows arfcom likes is Breaking Bad and Justified. Everything else is "bad cgi", "boring" or "woke". Uh Andor is GREAT. Disney can do it right. Agreed. No one complain about the lesbians yet? |
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Posted: 3/23/2023 9:29:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mikepiet: Agreed. No one complain about the lesbians yet? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mikepiet: Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By mikepiet: Ditto. Beginning to think the only shows arfcom likes is Breaking Bad and Justified. Everything else is "bad cgi", "boring" or "woke". Uh Andor is GREAT. Disney can do it right. Agreed. No one complain about the lesbians yet? Plenty of folks did |
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Posted: 3/23/2023 9:41:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freakinout: Plenty of folks did Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freakinout: Originally Posted By mikepiet: Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By mikepiet: Ditto. Beginning to think the only shows arfcom likes is Breaking Bad and Justified. Everything else is "bad cgi", "boring" or "woke". Uh Andor is GREAT. Disney can do it right. Agreed. No one complain about the lesbians yet? Plenty of folks did Plenty of folks would complain if they were hanged with a new rope, so… |
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Posted: 3/23/2023 9:47:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR-1904: Plenty of folks would complain if they were hanged with a new rope, so Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR-1904: Originally Posted By Freakinout: Originally Posted By mikepiet: Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By mikepiet: Ditto. Beginning to think the only shows arfcom likes is Breaking Bad and Justified. Everything else is "bad cgi", "boring" or "woke". Uh Andor is GREAT. Disney can do it right. Agreed. No one complain about the lesbians yet? Plenty of folks did Plenty of folks would complain if they were hanged with a new rope, so |
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Posted: 3/23/2023 9:48:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122381/received_879914053112546_jpeg-2756755.JPG That made me laugh out loud. Thats fantastic |
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Posted: 3/24/2023 12:26:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarkMustang: Sheesh, you people. Yesterday, I watched Star Wars (The Mandalorian) with my son. We enjoyed it. We didn't critique the volume, or the bad puppetry, or the fact that rando Mandos were just shooting into the water. We just enjoyed it and had fun geeking out over a Mando squad taking on monsters. I got to share a thing that I enjoyed as a kid with my kid. Could it be better? Sure. Could it be worse? I invite you to visit The Last Jedi (specifically Canto Bight). Or we could have no Star Wars at all. Wow, you really set the bar high with that one. Based on the current trajectory of Star Wars under the Disney regime it might not be very far off before that could, unfortunately, end up being preferable.  |
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Posted: 3/24/2023 12:29:52 AM EDT
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Isn’t The Rise of Skywalker generally considered worse than The Last Jedi though?
As bad as The Last Jedi was I can’t say if it’s better or worse considering I never watched The Rise of Skywalker. Reading the spoilers was more than enough for me.  |
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Posted: 3/24/2023 12:30:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jayne_Cobb: Too soon, man. Too soon. I'm enjoying Bo's spiritual revival, but I'm not sure what her balance is between authenticity and political leverage. I do think she is legitimately conflicted in the matter though. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jayne_Cobb: Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty: Originally Posted By user4574: After next week it won't be. its getting the firefly treatment? I'm enjoying Bo's spiritual revival, but I'm not sure what her balance is between authenticity and political leverage. I do think she is legitimately conflicted in the matter though. I choose to believe she is undergoing a legitimate crisis of faith, and is leaning toward embracing the oldest traditions of Mandalore. A marriage to Din would make sense for political purposes in Game of Thrones, as their child would inherit both her titles and the Darksaber. Not to mention a foster brother in Grogu. I really want to see a new Mandalorian culture reclaim the planet, to seat a new Mand’alor, and become the capital of an independent coalition of planets. The Hapes Consortium was one of the cool aspects of the old EU. The spinning rings of lasers were always something I liked reading about, they made sense in the context of individual batteries that needed to recharge. |
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Posted: 3/24/2023 12:35:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Isn’t The Rise of Skywalker generally considered worse than The Last Jedi though? As bad as The Last Jedi was I can’t say if it’s better or worse considering I never watched The Rise of Skywalker. Reading the spoilers was more than enough for me. Last Jedi is widely regarded as the worst Star Wars since Phantom Menace, and perhaps since the Holiday Special. Rise of Skywalker was not great, but it mitigated some of the dumbfuckery of the previous two installments. I think it could have been a good movie if it didn’t have to follow 7 and 8. |
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Posted: 3/24/2023 1:04:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TacticalGarand44: Last Jedi is widely regarded as the worst Star Wars since Phantom Menace, and perhaps since the Holiday Special. Rise of Skywalker was not great, but it mitigated some of the dumbfuckery of the previous two installments. I think it could have been a good movie if it didn’t have to follow 7 and 8. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TacticalGarand44: Originally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Isn’t The Rise of Skywalker generally considered worse than The Last Jedi though? As bad as The Last Jedi was I can’t say if it’s better or worse considering I never watched The Rise of Skywalker. Reading the spoilers was more than enough for me. Last Jedi is widely regarded as the worst Star Wars since Phantom Menace, and perhaps since the Holiday Special. Rise of Skywalker was not great, but it mitigated some of the dumbfuckery of the previous two installments. I think it could have been a good movie if it didn’t have to follow 7 and 8. Anakin Skywalker had one of my favorite character arcs in cinematic history and sacrificing his own life to kill the Emperor and save his son was a fantastic way to end it. My biggest gripe with The Rise of Skywalker is that it shits all over that by bringing Palpatine back from the dead. |
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Posted: 3/24/2023 1:10:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Anakin Skywalker had one of my favorite character arcs in cinematic history and sacrificing his own life to kill the Emperor and save his son was a fantastic way to end it. My biggest gripe with The Rise of Skywalker is that it shits all over that by bringing Palpatine back from the dead. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Originally Posted By TacticalGarand44: Originally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Isn’t The Rise of Skywalker generally considered worse than The Last Jedi though? As bad as The Last Jedi was I can’t say if it’s better or worse considering I never watched The Rise of Skywalker. Reading the spoilers was more than enough for me. Last Jedi is widely regarded as the worst Star Wars since Phantom Menace, and perhaps since the Holiday Special. Rise of Skywalker was not great, but it mitigated some of the dumbfuckery of the previous two installments. I think it could have been a good movie if it didn’t have to follow 7 and 8. Anakin Skywalker had one of my favorite character arcs in cinematic history and sacrificing his own life to kill the Emperor and save his son was a fantastic way to end it. My biggest gripe with The Rise of Skywalker is that it shits all over that by bringing Palpatine back from the dead. You are correct. |
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Posted: 3/24/2023 1:15:30 AM EDT
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The Last Jedi - cinematically speaking is beautiful. It really is. But the plot is just awful. They literally shit all over Luke's character and threw the fact that he saved Anakin right out the window.
Rise of Skywalker turned the "Skywalker Saga" into the "Palpatine Saga" - I mean, he's the main character now, right? He's been pulling the strings through the entire franchise, arguably created Anakin and warped him into Vader and then used Sith magic to "somehow return." None of the sequel trilogy is great. Ok, maybe the Kylo Ren/Han Solo stuff is good. But that's it.
I loved Andor. I really like Mandalorian. Bad Batch is great too. Obi Wan was just eh, ok. Book of Boba Fett had potential but fell far short. I think for Star Wars to succeed, they need to put forth a faithful Knights of the Old Republic series. Get away from EPS 1-9. Or maybe a large time jump forward. 500 years or so. But at its core, you need force users, Jedi, Sith and gray. You need fun factions like Mandalorian and Hondo's pirates. You need some monsters. Get away from that formula and it falls apart. |
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Posted: 3/24/2023 1:30:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GutWrench: You are going to have the silly stuff encapsulated in plot armor. It’s just the way it is. It’s basic story structure, it always has been this way. It’s Star Wars. As long as we don’t get queers and Transformers I will stay entertained. I noticed that the Wookieepedia lists characters' pronouns now.
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Posted: 3/24/2023 2:40:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TacticalGarand44: I choose to believe she is undergoing a legitimate crisis of faith, and is leaning toward embracing the oldest traditions of Mandalore. A marriage to Din would make sense for political purposes in Game of Thrones, as their child would inherit both her titles and the Darksaber. Not to mention a foster brother in Grogu. I really want to see a new Mandalorian culture reclaim the planet, to seat a new Mand'alor, and become the capital of an independent coalition of planets. The Hapes Consortium was one of the cool aspects of the old EU. The spinning rings of lasers were always something I liked reading about, they made sense in the context of individual batteries that needed to recharge. I remember reading about her as a teen when she was a teen.  And as she grew up, she lost an arm and said fuck it.... she still kicked ass.  |
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Posted: 3/24/2023 2:41:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Anakin Skywalker had one of my favorite character arcs in cinematic history and sacrificing his own life to kill the Emperor and save his son was a fantastic way to end it. My biggest gripe with The Rise of Skywalker is that it shits all over that by bringing Palpatine back from the dead. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Originally Posted By TacticalGarand44: Originally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Isn't The Rise of Skywalker generally considered worse than The Last Jedi though? As bad as The Last Jedi was I can't say if it's better or worse considering I never watched The Rise of Skywalker. Reading the spoilers was more than enough for me. Last Jedi is widely regarded as the worst Star Wars since Phantom Menace, and perhaps since the Holiday Special. Rise of Skywalker was not great, but it mitigated some of the dumbfuckery of the previous two installments. I think it could have been a good movie if it didn't have to follow 7 and 8. Anakin Skywalker had one of my favorite character arcs in cinematic history and sacrificing his own life to kill the Emperor and save his son was a fantastic way to end it. My biggest gripe with The Rise of Skywalker is that it shits all over that by bringing Palpatine back from the dead. |
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Posted: 3/24/2023 3:39:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarkMustang: I loved Andor. I really like Mandalorian. Bad Batch is great too. Obi Wan was just eh, ok. Book of Boba Fett had potential but fell far short. Word, homie |
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Posted: 3/24/2023 3:46:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miami_JBT: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122381/received_879914053112546_jpeg-2756755.JPG Ha |
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Posted: 3/24/2023 3:47:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mikepiet: Agreed. No one complain about the lesbians yet? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mikepiet: Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: Originally Posted By mikepiet: Ditto. Beginning to think the only shows arfcom likes is Breaking Bad and Justified. Everything else is "bad cgi", "boring" or "woke". Uh Andor is GREAT. Disney can do it right. Agreed. No one complain about the lesbians yet? They were hardly in it, and it wasn’t in your face over the top. I didn’t see much reason to complain. |
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Posted: 3/24/2023 3:49:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Isn’t The Rise of Skywalker generally considered worse than The Last Jedi though? As bad as The Last Jedi was I can’t say if it’s better or worse considering I never watched The Rise of Skywalker. Reading the spoilers was more than enough for me. I laughed during ROS at how bad it was, TLJ just pissed me off. |
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Posted: 3/24/2023 8:01:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TacticalGarand44: Last Jedi is widely regarded as the worst Star Wars since Phantom Menace, and perhaps since the Holiday Special. Rise of Skywalker was not great, but it mitigated some of the dumbfuckery of the previous two installments. I think it could have been a good movie if it didn’t have to follow 7 and 8. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TacticalGarand44: Originally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Isn’t The Rise of Skywalker generally considered worse than The Last Jedi though? As bad as The Last Jedi was I can’t say if it’s better or worse considering I never watched The Rise of Skywalker. Reading the spoilers was more than enough for me. Last Jedi is widely regarded as the worst Star Wars since Phantom Menace, and perhaps since the Holiday Special. Rise of Skywalker was not great, but it mitigated some of the dumbfuckery of the previous two installments. I think it could have been a good movie if it didn’t have to follow 7 and 8. There is an alternative screenplay out that Rob Burnett saw that would have changed everything. Made up for Last Jedi and then some… it was Colin Trevorrow’s script, and it was called Duel of the Fates. [youtube]/5ShS32kJclU?feature=share[/youtube] hope that works. If not here’s another link to a different read thru: [youtube]Pn5U7K2QaD0?feature=share[/youtube] https://www.youtube.com/live/5ShS32kJclU?feature=share https://www.youtube.com/live/Pn5U7K2QaD0?feature=share Yes the video is long but the movie they could have made from this script would have been a fantastic wrap up. Instead they rewrote it to suit JJ Abrams’ mediocre ending. Edit: crap, the links aren’t working. I’ll fix later on my desktop. Edit 2: Still not working. Sorry, but I pasted the links above (and thanks to Miami JBT for trying too). The movie Trevorrow was hoping to make would have made up for the lameness of TLJ and then some. |
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Posted: 3/24/2023 8:12:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: There is an alternative screenplay out that Rob Burnett saw that would have changed everything. Made up for Last Jedi and then some it was Colin Trevorrow's script, and it was called Duel of the Fates.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=live/5ShS32kJclU?feature=share hope that works. If not here's another link to a different read thru: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=live/Pn5U7K2QaD0?feature=shareYes the video is long but the movie they could have made from this script would have been a fantastic wrap up. Instead they rewrote it to suit JJ Abrams' mediocre ending. Edit: crap, the links aren't working. I'll fix later on my desktop. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macman37: Originally Posted By TacticalGarand44: Originally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Isn't The Rise of Skywalker generally considered worse than The Last Jedi though? As bad as The Last Jedi was I can't say if it's better or worse considering I never watched The Rise of Skywalker. Reading the spoilers was more than enough for me. Last Jedi is widely regarded as the worst Star Wars since Phantom Menace, and perhaps since the Holiday Special. Rise of Skywalker was not great, but it mitigated some of the dumbfuckery of the previous two installments. I think it could have been a good movie if it didn't have to follow 7 and 8. There is an alternative screenplay out that Rob Burnett saw that would have changed everything. Made up for Last Jedi and then some it was Colin Trevorrow's script, and it was called Duel of the Fates. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=live/5ShS32kJclU?feature=share hope that works. If not here's another link to a different read thru: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=live/Pn5U7K2QaD0?feature=shareYes the video is long but the movie they could have made from this script would have been a fantastic wrap up. Instead they rewrote it to suit JJ Abrams' mediocre ending. Edit: crap, the links aren't working. I'll fix later on my desktop. [youtube]live/5ShS32kJclU[/youtube] [youtube]live/m62H56LMB-U[/youtube] |
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Posted: 3/24/2023 8:15:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Isn’t The Rise of Skywalker generally considered worse than The Last Jedi though? As bad as The Last Jedi was I can’t say if it’s better or worse considering I never watched The Rise of Skywalker. Reading the spoilers was more than enough for me. They’re all equally bad and should be retconned out of existence. |
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Posted: 3/24/2023 8:19:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarkMustang: The Last Jedi - cinematically speaking is beautiful. It really is. But the plot is just awful. They literally shit all over Luke's character and threw the fact that he saved Anakin right out the window. Rise of Skywalker turned the "Skywalker Saga" into the "Palpatine Saga" - I mean, he's the main character now, right? He's been pulling the strings through the entire franchise, arguably created Anakin and warped him into Vader and then used Sith magic to "somehow return." None of the sequel trilogy is great. Ok, maybe the Kylo Ren/Han Solo stuff is good. But that's it.
I loved Andor. I really like Mandalorian. Bad Batch is great too. Obi Wan was just eh, ok. Book of Boba Fett had potential but fell far short. I think for Star Wars to succeed, they need to put forth a faithful Knights of the Old Republic series. Get away from EPS 1-9. Or maybe a large time jump forward. 500 years or so. But at its core, you need force users, Jedi, Sith and gray. You need fun factions like Mandalorian and Hondo's pirates. You need some monsters. Get away from that formula and it falls apart.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/24/2023 8:25:29 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarkMustang: The Last Jedi - cinematically speaking is beautiful. It really is. But the plot is just awful. They literally shit all over Luke's character and threw the fact that he saved Anakin right out the window. Rise of Skywalker turned the "Skywalker Saga" into the "Palpatine Saga" - I mean, he's the main character now, right? He's been pulling the strings through the entire franchise, arguably created Anakin and warped him into Vader and then used Sith magic to "somehow return." None of the sequel trilogy is great. Ok, maybe the Kylo Ren/Han Solo stuff is good. But that's it.
I loved Andor. I really like Mandalorian. Bad Batch is great too. Obi Wan was just eh, ok. Book of Boba Fett had potential but fell far short. I think for Star Wars to succeed, they need to put forth a faithful Knights of the Old Republic series. Get away from EPS 1-9. Or maybe a large time jump forward. 500 years or so. But at its core, you need force users, Jedi, Sith and gray. You need fun factions like Mandalorian and Hondo's pirates. You need some monsters. Get away from that formula and it falls apart. IIRC there was a plan to go from Episode 7 to 9, but when Rian Johnson came into the picture, he threw it out to make the shit fest that was TLJ. His motivation was to “subvert expectations,” but in that basic, academic sense that doesn’t translate at all when it comes to continuity in storytelling. Or basic plot. Or character development. Or anything that results in an actual good movie. The fact that Rian thought subverting expectations in Star Wars was a great plan just shows how much of a moron he is and how disconnected he was from the history of the franchise or the subject matter. It was clear he didn’t give a fuck about Star Wars. OTOH, the plan for Episodes 7 to 9 was plotted by JJ, so it was probably still going to be mediocre shit. I mean, that particular dickhead thought he could reimagine Wrath of Khan, and he failed spectacularly. |
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Posted: 3/24/2023 9:43:27 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thirsty: IIRC there was a plan to go from Episode 7 to 9, but when Rian Johnson came into the picture, he threw it out to make the shit fest that was TLJ. His motivation was to “subvert expectations,” but in that basic, academic sense that doesn’t translate at all when it comes to continuity in storytelling. Or basic plot. Or character development. Or anything that results in an actual good movie. The fact that Rian thought subverting expectations in Star Wars was a great plan just shows how much of a moron he is and how disconnected he was from the history of the franchise or the subject matter. It was clear he didn’t give a fuck about Star Wars. OTOH, the plan for Episodes 7 to 9 was plotted by JJ, so it was probably still going to be mediocre shit. I mean, that particular dickhead thought he could reimagine Wrath of Khan, and he failed spectacularly. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thirsty: Originally Posted By MarkMustang: The Last Jedi - cinematically speaking is beautiful. It really is. But the plot is just awful. They literally shit all over Luke's character and threw the fact that he saved Anakin right out the window. Rise of Skywalker turned the "Skywalker Saga" into the "Palpatine Saga" - I mean, he's the main character now, right? He's been pulling the strings through the entire franchise, arguably created Anakin and warped him into Vader and then used Sith magic to "somehow return." None of the sequel trilogy is great. Ok, maybe the Kylo Ren/Han Solo stuff is good. But that's it.
I loved Andor. I really like Mandalorian. Bad Batch is great too. Obi Wan was just eh, ok. Book of Boba Fett had potential but fell far short. I think for Star Wars to succeed, they need to put forth a faithful Knights of the Old Republic series. Get away from EPS 1-9. Or maybe a large time jump forward. 500 years or so. But at its core, you need force users, Jedi, Sith and gray. You need fun factions like Mandalorian and Hondo's pirates. You need some monsters. Get away from that formula and it falls apart. IIRC there was a plan to go from Episode 7 to 9, but when Rian Johnson came into the picture, he threw it out to make the shit fest that was TLJ. His motivation was to “subvert expectations,” but in that basic, academic sense that doesn’t translate at all when it comes to continuity in storytelling. Or basic plot. Or character development. Or anything that results in an actual good movie. The fact that Rian thought subverting expectations in Star Wars was a great plan just shows how much of a moron he is and how disconnected he was from the history of the franchise or the subject matter. It was clear he didn’t give a fuck about Star Wars. OTOH, the plan for Episodes 7 to 9 was plotted by JJ, so it was probably still going to be mediocre shit. I mean, that particular dickhead thought he could reimagine Wrath of Khan, and he failed spectacularly. Compare that Wrath of Khan remake to the Strange New Worlds episode where they remade Balance of Terror. Personally my favorite TOS Episode. |
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Posted: 3/24/2023 10:00:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: stampkolektor]
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Anakin Skywalker had one of my favorite character arcs in cinematic history and sacrificing his own life to kill the Emperor and save his son was a fantastic way to end it. My biggest gripe with The Rise of Skywalker is that it shits all over that by bringing Palpatine back from the dead. this is the way. they couldnt make another big bad? PS. justified was bad couldnt finish even 1 season. |
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Posted: 3/24/2023 10:04:02 AM EDT
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Well, the director choices didn't help at all. You can't come in with a director like JJ Abhrams, Rian Johnson, Michael Bay, M Night Shamalan, etc and expect a good Star Wars movie. Because those guys have a formula they work with when making movies that makes it distinctly theirs. It's like a Tarantino film - you know what to expect there.
Marvel does a better job at managing it's directors stable but even they've had their challenges. If not for the Russo Brothers, I don't know they could have made it all the way to Infinity War. To get it right, you get a director that will focus on great storytelling, put ego out of the way and reap the benefits of a great product. This is why Tony Gilroy succeeded with Andor (he managed the stable of directors) while Favreau and Filoni failed with Book Of Boba Fett. Notably by letting Robert Rodriguez put too much of his brand into the show (the goofy mods being the prime example). And none of that takes into consideration teh woke culture of Disney that gets injected into everything. It drives me when I see shit like Kathleen Kennedy wearing a "Force is Female" shirt, because it completely debases the badass that Princess Leia was in the original Trilogy. Padme was equally badass. It's a miracle that we are getting good Star Wars at all. |
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Posted: 3/24/2023 1:14:31 PM EDT
[#44]
Am I the only one that ever noticed the insignia Boba Fett wears on his chest is the Fender logo? Every time I see that "F" I don't know if it's the guitar or for Boba Fett.
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Posted: 3/24/2023 1:32:57 PM EDT
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[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mikepiet: Agreed. No one complain about the lesbians yet? 
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Posted: 3/24/2023 1:34:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: If I was a woman and had a chance with Katie sack off/Starbuck I would be a lesbian too Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FreefallRet: Originally Posted By mikepiet: Agreed. No one complain about the lesbians yet? I don't think Bo is a lesbo |
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Posted: 3/24/2023 1:35:10 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hunter-Killer: Anakin Skywalker had one of my favorite character arcs in cinematic history and sacrificing his own life to kill the Emperor and save his son was a fantastic way to end it. My biggest gripe with The Rise of Skywalker is that it shits all over that by bringing Palpatine back from the dead. Palpitine knew he was old and needed a way to continue his legacy. |
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Posted: 3/24/2023 1:38:49 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Freakinout: I don't think Bo is a lesbo |
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Posted: 3/24/2023 1:41:15 PM EDT
[#49]
i hope Bo isnt.
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Posted: 3/24/2023 1:49:50 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MarkMustang: Sheesh, you people. Yesterday, I watched Star Wars (The Mandalorian) with my son. We enjoyed it. We didn't critique the volume, or the bad puppetry, or the fact that rando Mandos were just shooting into the water. We just enjoyed it and had fun geeking out over a Mando squad taking on monsters. I got to share a thing that I enjoyed as a kid with my kid. Could it be better? Sure. Could it be worse? I invite you to visit The Last Jedi (specifically Canto Bight). Or we could have no Star Wars at all. Yeah, the Filoniverse is the Star Wars my kids love. He gave me cartoons I could watch with them and we could all enjoy, and now that they're older he gave us Mando and that's fun for the whole family. It isn't perfect but nothing is. TLJ was truly the worst. I don't think the sequels would be hated nearly as much if ep8 had been better. It would have been more like the prequels. Because nobody wants to talk about the sequels I don't even know if most people believe Rey is Sidious at the end or not. |
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