Do I want a Porsche Macan or a Range Rover? (Page 2 of 3)
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Originally Posted By _DR: My brother just sold his Macan after owning it 10 years. Once out of warranty he spent thousands on repairs. He liked the vehicle, but the cost of out of warranty repair is insanity unless you have deep enough pockets. He bought a Tesla after he sold the Macan, since they wouldn't give much on the trade. If you can do your own wrenching, it might make some sense, otherwise it's $$$. Seems like that is the case with most German cars. Originally Posted By _DR: Originally Posted By Mblades: Originally Posted By thirtycal: OMG horrible choices, but exactly what a non car-guy would chose; so you're in good company. Please explain how a Porsche is a horrible choice.  My brother just sold his Macan after owning it 10 years. Once out of warranty he spent thousands on repairs. He liked the vehicle, but the cost of out of warranty repair is insanity unless you have deep enough pockets. He bought a Tesla after he sold the Macan, since they wouldn't give much on the trade. If you can do your own wrenching, it might make some sense, otherwise it's $$$. Seems like that is the case with most German cars. You brother had a very atypical and unlucky experience. My wife drove a Panamera (as a daily driver) for nine years, and it had exactly ZERO issues, and zero repair costs. My wife replaced the Panamera with a Macan, and had zero issues in the three years she drove it. I drove a 911 (as a daily driver) for seven and a half years, and it had exactly ONE issue - a broken windshield washer hose (because I open/close the frunk every time I drive it, which bends it, and it's a known thing that happens). I repaired it myself in 45 minutes at the cost of about $50 (with genuine Porsche parts). It's POSSIBLE that the Macan (and other Audi/WV shared platform cars) are not quite as reliable as the in-house Porsche cars, but they are still an incredibly reliable brand overall. |
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Originally Posted By konger: OP wants low drama transportation options. Mentions Maserati, Porsche and Land Rover as possible options. Also fails to mention Toyota or Lexus.  I suppose the thread should have been "of these bad options, which will I regret the least?" I just drove the Tacoma I'm buying this morning and I get in and I'm thinking "ugh, I guess this will do." (I'm limited on options because we need it over 6000 lbs gross weight for taxes). The other feelings getting into a vehicle can be "oh, this is nice" or "oh, fuck yeah." I think Lexus is the "oh, this is nice" feeling and Porsche/Masarati is that "fuck yeah" feeling. The Range Rover idea was just because they're bigger and look alright, but the interiors aren't like "wow" unless you drop another $50k. By the time I've pimped out a Range Rover, I may as well be in a 2022 Bentayga. Really leaning toward that Macan. |
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Originally Posted By cmeyer001: Ineos Grenadier. I bought one 4 months ago. That said, it’s not for someone looking to impress the general public. Everyone assumes it’s a G Wagon for poor people. It’s really a full time 4x4 station wagon with good ground clearance. It’s everything the G Wagon and Land Rover used to be… |
| As much as I like a Macan, the interior room in theback is....lacking. I went with the Mercedes GLC63 just to get a bit more room. But honestly for a guy who doesnt care about performance, and by extension probably doesnt care about a fancy badge, save yourself a bundle and get a loaded Mazda CX-5. If you need a Euro badge the Audi option mentioned above is nice. |
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Originally Posted By libb: Porsche may have a reputation for those things but the Macan is primarily an Audi Q5/A4 under its skin... Including most of the engine. The rear-bias in the transmission, overall tuning, etc. result in a better drive but most parts are shared. I put 100k miles on one and it was a good car but its reliability was middle of the road (multiple oil leaks, a coolant leak, front control arms bushings were trash after ~80k miles, PDK was starting to fail and R + every other forward gear would sometimes be unavailable, etc.) If this is a business purchase where you're leasing, keeping for original or CPO warranty period, etc. its fine. If its a personal vehicle you're going to keep years then be certain to have a shop you trust and you'll be fine as long as you accept that you'll need to do some repairs from time-to-time. I knew this going into it, kept it past warranty, and don't mind repair bills, but I ended up in a place where something broke every few weeks and once the PDK started to fail intermittently the hassle was no longer worth my time. Originally Posted By libb: Originally Posted By Mblades: Do you want to buy from a brand renowned for its reliability and durability or one renowned for the opposite? I put 100k miles on one and it was a good car but its reliability was middle of the road (multiple oil leaks, a coolant leak, front control arms bushings were trash after ~80k miles, PDK was starting to fail and R + every other forward gear would sometimes be unavailable, etc.) If this is a business purchase where you're leasing, keeping for original or CPO warranty period, etc. its fine. If its a personal vehicle you're going to keep years then be certain to have a shop you trust and you'll be fine as long as you accept that you'll need to do some repairs from time-to-time. I knew this going into it, kept it past warranty, and don't mind repair bills, but I ended up in a place where something broke every few weeks and once the PDK started to fail intermittently the hassle was no longer worth my time. It’s the same VAG MLB evo platform but most parts are not shared. |
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My wife drives a Macan S and it is a great car if you are an enthusiast. For a small SUV it is peppy and rides great. We took it to Angel Fire NM a couple weeks ago and I had the cruise set on 100 for a big portion the drive and it did it effortlessly. Very stable with minimal road noise. Seats are comfortable for a sport SUV and the stereo system sounds great though it can be a little cumbersome to use at first. Downsides are its fairly small with not a lot of storage space and the maintenance is expensive. Hers has 2 more years of warranty, but we don't use Porsche for anything but actual warranty work. We found a couple of independent shops for the oil change etc that are significantly cheaper. If you truly don't care about a car other than it being a form of transportation then I think there are better options, but if you want a car that handles great and has no problem running triple digit speeds then it's a great option. Macan in Red River Attached File |
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Originally Posted By konger: OP wants low drama transportation options. Mentions Maserati, Porsche and Land Rover as possible options. Also fails to mention Toyota or Lexus. As a brand, Porsche (barely) beat out Toyota in 2026 reliability rankings. Lexus is #1 though... |
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Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy: I think Lexus is the "oh, this is nice" feeling. Lexus has boring interiors and in the past I feel they were geared toward boomers. They are getting better. One of the reasons I got a LC vs the GX550, I didn’t like the interior. The dealers are also super cunty when it comes to them. With the apparent engine issues, I am thankful. TBF, I only know of one GX550 locally that has the engine issue, the 6 other owners have had zero issues. |
| If you get a Macan, get the Macan S. It's not that much more expensive than the base model (especially used/CPO), and is a huge difference in driving experience. |
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If you are only going to keep it for a few years (it’s a lease or you will never keep it past its warranty date). Get whatever you want and what makes you happy. If you are the kind of person that keeps a car 5 or more years and likes to get 150-200k or more out of a car, I would not pick either one. If it was one of those or nothing, the Porsche all day. If you want a “long term” luxury mid sized SUV, get a Lexus or Acura. |
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Of the two I’d say Macan hands down but if you’re wanting some luxurious over sport it’s really not. Porsche’s are reliable but they’re not cheap to maintain, they run staggered tires and eats them so factor that in. Luxury is something like a Lexus RX which will dull and boring but luxurious. Maybe a Caddy of some flavor? If you want sporty or fast why a tall car, why not get a sedan/coupe? The Porsche Taycan can be bought cheap, is luxurious and faster than you probably want but it’s an EV if that can fit. |
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Originally Posted By neshomamench: If you are only going to keep it for a few years (it’s a lease or you will never keep it past its warranty date). Get whatever you want and what makes you happy. If you are the kind of person that keeps a car 5 or more years and likes to get 150-200k or more out of a car, I would not pick either one. If it was one of those or nothing, the Porsche all day. If you want a “long term” luxury mid sized SUV, get a Lexus or Acura. This. |
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Lots of good info here IMHO, and from great sources. I'd like to add that with the Macan, the price range can be kinda mind-boggling depending on how it's optioned. Beyond the model level tiers like base, T, S, and GTS, adding options - some can be fluff, some can be hard-core performance changing - can change the total cost tremendously. For instance, the base S is $78.9, but adding larger wheels, nicer seats, air suspension, sport chron package, and sport exhaust, quickly makes it $93.8. And that's sure as heck not all the options that can be added . |
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Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy: I'm in suburbia and this will be my "around town" car. Lexus and Toyota seem very "yet another one of those" in the parking lot. I suppose the thread should have been "of these bad options, which will I regret the least?" I just drove the Tacoma I'm buying this morning and I get in and I'm thinking "ugh, I guess this will do." (I'm limited on options because we need it over 6000 lbs gross weight for taxes). The other feelings getting into a vehicle can be "oh, this is nice" or "oh, fuck yeah." I think Lexus is the "oh, this is nice" feeling and Porsche/Masarati is that "fuck yeah" feeling. The Range Rover idea was just because they're bigger and look alright, but the interiors aren't like "wow" unless you drop another $50k. By the time I've pimped out a Range Rover, I may as well be in a 2022 Bentayga. Really leaning toward that Macan. I might have read it wrong, but are any of these going to get you over 6k? |
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Originally Posted By hatidua: Get a 911 at least once. Preferably air-cooled before they started going whacky with the body. Originally Posted By hatidua: Originally Posted By Mblades: Do you want to buy from a brand renowned for its reliability and durability or one renowned for the opposite? Get a 911 at least once. Preferably air-cooled before they started going whacky with the body. We can be friends. |
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Originally Posted By Mblades: Do you want to buy from a brand renowned for its reliability and durability or one renowned for the opposite? This. If you want to spend money on something that looks good and never runs, buy a Quatraporte and use the spare money to make it run (occasionally). |
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Originally Posted By MattR: I might have read it wrong, but are any of these going to get you over 6k? Originally Posted By MattR: Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy: I'm in suburbia and this will be my "around town" car. Lexus and Toyota seem very "yet another one of those" in the parking lot. I suppose the thread should have been "of these bad options, which will I regret the least?" I just drove the Tacoma I'm buying this morning and I get in and I'm thinking "ugh, I guess this will do." (I'm limited on options because we need it over 6000 lbs gross weight for taxes). The other feelings getting into a vehicle can be "oh, this is nice" or "oh, fuck yeah." I think Lexus is the "oh, this is nice" feeling and Porsche/Masarati is that "fuck yeah" feeling. The Range Rover idea was just because they're bigger and look alright, but the interiors aren't like "wow" unless you drop another $50k. By the time I've pimped out a Range Rover, I may as well be in a 2022 Bentayga. Really leaning toward that Macan. I might have read it wrong, but are any of these going to get you over 6k? I will see if I can test a Macan tomorrow. If it doesn't knock my socks off or isn't a good fit, maybe I'll entertain the Lexus idea. People seems to have strong feelings against Range Rover. |
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Originally Posted By Tokamak: You sound like you don't know shit about cars and also very pretentious, get a car that suits your pretentiousness and lack of car knowledge. Range Rover 100% Your assessment isn't wrong. I have a Persian rug I'd prefer people not even step on. I really am NOT a car person and would never pretend to be. My list of options apparently had some rough choices. You ever see a guy walk into a gun store with a credit card in hand and basically say "I need one of them AR15s. Is that one good" as he points to a $4k KAC on the wall? That's me with cars. |
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Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy: Sorry, the Tacoma is a business expense. It's replacing my personal truck, so I'm trading the personal truck in towards a fun car. I will see if I can test a Macan tomorrow. If it doesn't knock my socks off or isn't a good fit, maybe I'll entertain the Lexus idea. People seems to have strong feelings against Range Rover. The Range Rover line is probably the most likely car to NOT be reliable on the market today. The reality is, most will run fine for a few years. The issue is, few will run fine long term and initial quality is going to be among the lowest in the industry. Again, if you are leasing or only going to keep it for a few years, who cares and get what makes you happy. The statistics of this issue are what trip a lot of people up. To put it in gun terms. You have one brand of pistol that will last for 50,000 rounds and another that will last for 100,000 rounds. The 50K one has a 1.5% failure rate from new The 100K one has a 1% failure rate from new. If you only want something for 25K rounds and the world will not end over a .5% increase risk in early failure....because they both will, one just a little more than the other....who cares. Get what you want. ....but in the case of the Range Rover, you will over pay and its the gun that will go off and shoot your own dick off.
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Originally Posted By MtnMusic: As a brand, Porsche (barely) beat out Toyota in 2026 reliability rankings. Lexus is #1 though... https://s.yimg.com/lo/mysterio/api/18ec0d9be5e16d2bad3d029f5ed6fabf7a3f4c489cf2cf1e49b0de38f662069c/lightyear_networkapi/resizefill_w720_h1056%3Bquality_80%3Bformat_webp/https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.zenfs.com%2Fen%2Fautos.autoweek.com%2Fd70bbee0bbdba63a718f7c152c729220 JD Power… 
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Originally Posted By AbsoluteLemur: None of the above. https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0905/5702/2506/files/the-first-dodge-viper-is-a-brutal-bargain-1476934603110.jpg?v=1738637093 I had one of those and have a later gen now. The price is right on the Gen I's but they are a horrible car. While many parts are off the shelf 80's and 90's Chrysler, there are a lot of Viper only parts. (Like headlights that can cost 3-6 thousand) The Viper was a very low production car and with that comes high prices for some parts. |
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Originally Posted By whiskerz: This thread should be more about the OP and his man crush on wrecker drivers. Buy a AAA membership. Oh, I have one. I can't break loose a lug nut these days. |
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As someone that knows these cars very well with lots of real world knowledge, if you buy an older used Macan, get the base model with the 4 cyl 2.0 Turbo. They're so much more reliable than the V6. They're plenty fast too. Such an underrated car. Usually any time you have a coolant issue, it's just the plastic tank or a nearby hose. Also not dealing with oil leaks that make you pray it's just a snapped timing cover bolt only. Just make when buying a used Macan you pay attention to PDK/Mechatronic issues that can get costly in a hurry. As for a Range Rover? Go on a Range Rover forum and search for posts with Land Cruiser owners selling their Toyota and coming to the forum needing Range Rover advice. Then go on a Land Cruiser forum and look for past Land Rover/Range Rover owners wanting a Land Cruiser. You'll notice a pattern. |
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Originally Posted By thesquidliest: Nothing from our friends in Nippon, like the GT-R? Lexus was already brought up. I've even heard that the Corolla GR is way more fun than a car like that should be (if you can find one). And all are way more reliable and cheaper to maintain. ETA: Non-poors thread. GTR only if it's to be driven stock. AFAIK, the transmission is still made of glass. At least 10k to have it pulled and built to handle real power. Off the Shelf? Fun. For that money level though, I'd rather have a 911 Turbo. |
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Originally Posted By MattR: The Macan is small. Have you test driven My wife had a Turbo Macan, I'm 6'4" and fit just fine in it. Very comfortable car. Never had problems with it. I liked it alot. Have a Cayenne S now. Tough call the Macan was more sporty, Cayenne is still pretty damn sporty. I wouldn't wish a Range Rover on folks I don't like. A buddy has one for his wife, thing breaks constantly. |
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Originally Posted By PinePig: My wife had a Turbo Macan, I'm 6'4" and fit just fine in it. Very comfortable car. Never had problems with it. I liked it alot. Have a Cayenne S now. Tough call the Macan was more sporty, Cayenne is still pretty damn sporty. I wouldn't wish a Range Rover on folks I don't like. A buddy has one for his wife, thing breaks constantly. My neighbor literally has four range rovers. He needs four to consistently have one running. Wished I was kidding. His are all 2012-2015ish if I had to guess. Two Evoques, a Discovery, and whatever the really boxy one is.
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Find a used Jaguar F-Pace SVR. I still think it is one of the best looking SUVs on the market. Badass 550hp supercharged V8. Sounds good. Really fast. Handles well for an SUV. My wife had one and sold it for an Escalade V, but I miss the Jaguar. 
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I have a poor mans 2021 Audi SQ5 that i did a stage 3 Pure 750 Turbo swap on with a IE HFC downpipe on and supporting intercooler and a few other upgrades on.. on the dyno I'm putting down about 600 all wheel HP on 91. Launch control puts me in the the 3.4 0-60 range and a 10.8 1/4 mile time using dragy. If I opted to use E-85 blend it would be well over 700whp. It costs a lot less than a Macan Turbo and is a lot more sleeperish. Pretty fun car to embarrass others with. I daily drive it with 91, super reliable and very fun on Utah highway onramps. |
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Originally Posted By Lexustech48: Of the two, Porsche. Only if you by as much warranty as possible. Just remember with Euro cars, the more power standard from the factory, the more expensive everything is. If you're willing to pay the repair bills, have fun. What Porsche’s have you owned that led you to form this option? |
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