I'm really struggling to comprehend the overwhelming "American" outpouring of "grief" regarding QE2's passing. Frankly at a personal level, somewhat disheartened by this continued "Royal" fascination with a large percentile of the American population.

This weird fascination with Monarchy, regardless of QE2's passing, the stuff with Diana/Charles, the kids and that whole new princess thing. To me, I find it reprehensible and I also find it counter to the fundamentals we as Americans were founded upon.

My own aged Mother and her yenta friends, a myriad of others, overcome with so called "grief" and making the comments "I want to cry" and "God Save the Queen/God Save the King" type stuff. Last time I checked my Passport, it stated United States of America and I wasn't a British subject.

Nothing against Elizabeth herself, but again frankly WTF for "Americans"? Having spent allot of time in the UK, I understand and respect their cultural attachment for Monarchy regarding historical lineage as well as the figurehead role of "Empire" (using that term loosely as there is no longer an empire). I understand her historical significance to British subjects, I fully understand and appreciate what she represents for the UK in terms of historical time, ascending to the Throne during Truman's administration.

But at it's core as American's, Titles of "Nobility" and "Bloodlines" were abhorrent to the founding framework. The preamble of our very way of life: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.-- That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed" and "Monarchy", or "Royalists" simply cannot exist in the same space. So what drives this strange fascination with Monarchy for Americans. I can even understand a larger outpouring of grief, reflections from the Canadian's or other former Commonwealth entities.    

There is a huge difference between "Citizen" and "Subject". Is the just the more time and distance (as well as undermining) is put on the ideals of the Founders and their principals, do most "Americans" just want to be subjects to a benevolent leader? Maybe QE2's passing is a microcosm of a greater symptom, showing why we're in this political quagmire?  

I don't know. Yes, a historical "Head of State" passed but, that of a Foreign Power and one of system where American's literally fought a war to throw off its oppressive shackles. I mean Gorbachev died the other week and there was zero point zero care, concern or reflection in the general American psyche.

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The UK is one of our biggest Allies, more so than the country which is out hat.

Monarchy>democracy

It makes for a brief conversational topic but grief, not so much...

Oh Well...

We had the Kennedys.

Luckily Trump decapitated the Clinton dynasty.

There's a reason monarchs were the norm for the majority of human history. Liberal democracy is an aberration and it's time will be short lived. Monarchy is based.

The responsibilities of being a citizen are too much for many people.  Being a subject requires less initiative. Lots of people just want to follow.

It's as simple as tradition and nostalgia. For much of living history, they've had a queen and all the tradition that goes with it. Now what do they have? An immigration problem and a confused identity.

Democracy is a horrific thing.

Representative Democratic Republics are closest to the perfect form of governance, imho. They allow for the greatest freedom within a structure that prevents the horror a true Democracy inevitably brings.

OP is correct. Most people are born to be slaves, and crave a strong "mommy" or "daddy" to take away those pesky decisions one has when free.

Fuck the Queen. Fuck the degenerate pieces of shit who consist the Royal Family. They are at least part of how the UK has become an overblown, overrated Third World shithole.

I think OP conflating "interest" and "respect" with a desire for subservience is pretty weird.

OP, tell us about your relationship with your mother.

Just regular celebrity gossip.  

There’s no bigger celebrities in the world than the British royal family.   To top that off there’s also the fantasy of the lifestyles of princes and princesses.  

Sounds like a fascinating, privileged and extremely exclusive world they live in.  Why wouldn’t the commoners be curious about that and live vicariously through them?  Kind of the same way people dream about winning the lottery.

Outpouring of grief and fascination with the monarchs are from Americans or American women?

The Queen was a better friend to the US than most if not all democrats.

Apart from that - I think the "interest" Americans have in royalty is purely a look at something historical and quaint.

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Why are so many GDers so offended by people showing respect for another countries’ figure head dying?

If it was the Queen of Monaco or something, we wouldn’t care.

The US and England will always be connected

Poor people standing in line to admire those that live on their backs in luxury. What stupidity.

I'll admit to only making it a couple of sentences into your post, but I don't think I need to read any further into it to help your confusion.

Many Americans see Great Britain as a close ally and friend.  When a friend is in mourning you typically mourn with them.

Most are paying tribute to Queen Elizabeth II the person and what she accomplished, not her title.
The mass media and it's followers, however, are treating the event the same as they do the Kardashians -- a very profitable rate-boosting ploy.

What a refreshing and original thread. Thank you OP.

She was an ally to our country.

She was a decent woman who served her country well for many decades and was a fixture of geopolitics for most of our entire lives.

My great-great-great grandfather was a British army captain.

I cannot fathom why honoring her in death would make someone so upset.

The death of the Queen was truly the end of an era. That lady was a player in almost every significant event of the 20th century.

I don't think Charles will last long, he clearly has liver/congestive heart failure. Hopefully the monarchy will go with him.

She had a good run. RIP.

I’m going to paraphrase the OP.

My friend’s mom just died. I don’t understand why everyone in our social circle is so upset and empathetic! She wasn’t my mom. I think they’re weak people who just want to suck milk from her tits.

I don't get this shit either.

I do not understand the desire for a subset of members to emulate a spazzed-out aspie.

The autism rate has to be well over 50%.

We need a " I don't understand what all the fuss about the Queen is" forum.

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OP, while we're on the topic, what are your thoughts on the inclusion of peanuts into cannisters of "mixed nuts"?

Haven't had interest or respect for England since 1776...

My mother is a dreadful, gossipy, busy-body. You can have her if you'd like.

Maybe it was the 80’s. Things were pretty good back then. Really good. Association, the Royal Family was in US news streams and a part of America and we just associate it with good times?

Stopped reading at the part in red.

A LOT

Is this a parody thread?  Can anyone be this clueless?

It has to be a parody thread.

Irregardless!

Lots of people should, in fact, have to follow.



I'm not saying monarchy is a great system, I'm just pointing out every person in that video has an equal voice to you in democracy

Oh look. Another thread announcing that you’re against whatever everyone else is doing.

How edgy.

After watching recent elections I am becoming convinced most people need to be told how to live and what to do.

What's funny is the "democracy" that the left touts was only reserved to a small group of white men in ancient Greece.  Slaves, women, etc... weren't allowed to vote.

But you're right, most people are slaves and want to be slaves.

What a long winded and self serving post.

Were you okay with England in 1775? What was George Washington like?

I don't believe you are going to see the same outpouring of support for Chucky when he kicks the bucket.  The queen seemed to be a kick ass old gal, though I think she made a few serious mistakes.

Yep.. it's amazing that he can't recognize empathy.. must be aweful to have such a hollow soul

The queen and all of her children  are just a headpieces.

That country is ran much like this one is by several different parties all arguing with each other one trying to get over the other.

The queen and her family actually has no say in any of this they're just figure heads.

Anyone that has been known for as long as she's been known there's going to be a bit of grief for the passing of such person. It's not that big of a deal.

My English friends all just consider the Royal family as part of their lives. They are all saddened.

But that whole country with its libertarian ideas has become a s*** hole.

Royalty is different today.  Typically little if any power, but they are a connection to tradition and the past which is good for a healthy national identity. If you think that is a good thing.

The majority of Americans are dumb sheep that feel what the media tells them to feel.

Here's what I think:

Just celebrity gossip rag stuff in a different box.

Did you forget to take your anxiety meds?

I wouldn't call them libertarian.

The UK is probably the closest ally we have and the closest we will ever have.

I'm saddened to hear of her passing and because she was a fixture in England over the course of a LOT of history and she was one of the "good guys". No fascination with her.

I'm not crying myself to sleep or anything over it, but I AM recognizing it's a sad day for our UK brethren.

All I'll say is that I think it's sad.....her passing. But she was 96. She was certainly not going to live forever. She'd been queen for a good many years. And the British were just used to having her. Again, it's sad she passed. But I won't mourn for her for she was not my queen.

Of course, if the President died, I wouldn't mourn him either. Fuck that guy!