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Posted: 2/8/2022 8:31:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: humans perception of time and what it takes to support life and what life forms are based on really limits us when we think of alien beings and their ability to travel the universe even how we perceive intelligence. why do intelligent beings from outside our solar system have to be a carbon based bipedal homeothermal oxygen dependent being. Carbon based is one of the only ways for complex organic chemistry to occur. Silicon is another less likely option. The rest has a lot more wiggle room |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 8:34:56 AM EST
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Of course they have, they just got bored and left. Ever have ant ant farm when you were a kid? Cool as fuck when you first got it, in a couple of days it was like "meh"
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Posted: 2/8/2022 8:41:55 AM EST
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Surely the set of circumstances that allowed life to flourish here are repeated in many other instances throughout the universe, it would be an impossibility to say it could not. Whether less advanced, similar or more advanced? probably a bit of all 3.
I see so many are fixated on the speed of light and the distances involved. If you went to a sailor in the 1700's and tell him the month long voyage he just did would be done in a plane in hours or in a spacecraft in minutes he would never believe you either. In a mere 500 years to go from swords and arrows to nuclear weapons, jet fighters and who knows what else and that's with us spending most of our energy trying to think up new ways to kill each other, imagine a species spending that much time and energy to other goals. I suspect FTL travel will be a non issue by some means our monkey brains can't even comprehend at the moment. |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 8:42:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe. I'm no Giorgio Tsoukalos, but I think there are things that happened thousands and thousands of years ago that do not make sense with the archeology and science that we have today. I'm not convinced that all of our religious myths are myths. I'm not convinced that everything we know today (E=MC^2) is absolutely What it Is. I am convinced that our ancient ancestors had knowledge which has been lost. They accomplished things that we cannot reproduce, or determine how they did it. I am convinced that human civilization is much older than conventional wisdom would say. I am convinced that there are things going on today which we do not understand (flying tic-tac). I don't know if aliens were ever here or not. I don't know if they are here now or not. It's an interesting question that I would love to understand fully, but the impending collapse of Western Civilization and the imposing specter of World War III have me preoccupied these days. What he said. |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 8:42:52 AM EST
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110%. They still live here. Grays from zeta reticuli and draco reptoids.
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Posted: 2/8/2022 8:47:22 AM EST
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Just the octopuses.
I don't think we can beat C, so the distances are just too great. The small family of octopus and cuttle fish that don't seem to be related to anything else might have evolved from a microbe that made it to Earth from someplace local, maybe Mars, or Europa. Lucifer was the comet fragment that impacted the North American ice sheet near Detroit and created the Younger Dryas Boundary, there's just 10,000 years of drift between the event and the book of Genesis as we know it. |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 8:51:06 AM EST
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If by "aliens" you mean mortal beings who have traveled millions/billons of miles to the middle of nowhere in space, no.
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Posted: 2/8/2022 8:51:13 AM EST
[#8]
Yes
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Posted: 2/8/2022 8:51:34 AM EST
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Quoted: Yes? No? Thousands of years ago? Yesterday? They built the pyramids 5000 years ago, or are still here today? Yes, we have never been alone. What we know as humans is only relative to us. There is absolutely a lot we don't know and that knowledge is what allows other beings to travel the universe. We don't have the knowledge yet to know how to travel that distance to reach other systems so silly humans think that nothing can. |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 9:02:18 AM EST
[#10]
No.
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Posted: 2/8/2022 9:03:31 AM EST
[#11]
Perhaps alien machinery/ equipment has visited earth.
I think it would be significantly more likely that a drone from another planet could have been here than an actual alien being. They could send a drone away and if it takes 25, 50, 100 years to get here and back so be it. An alien beibg may not survive that journey. Another consideration is our perception of time may be different than that of an alien. I think something like a house fly has a different perception of time than we do. They only live for a few days, but it may seem like a long time to them. That also may be why it's so difficult to swat them- they perceive us as moving reeeeealllly slowly. Aliens may also have a vastly different perception of time than we do, making long distance travel much more feasible. This universe is too damn big and stuff bangs around too much for some form of life to not get scattered around. I think statistically alien life must exist. I also think it is more likely an alien race would be sending drones, satellites, or other equipment out to explore as opposed to living beings. |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 9:05:48 AM EST
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A few did way back when.
Now, as they get close, they roll up the windows, lock the doors and drive faster. |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 9:14:51 AM EST
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Yes, of course.
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Posted: 2/8/2022 9:15:23 AM EST
[#14]
Until we nail down a means to get from point A, to point Z, without watching the whole alphabet go by in the side window, this rock is home.
Without a paradigm shift in the ways we think about and practice movement and collection of observations (light, magnetic/radio/etc), the distance is too great to entertain visiting life forms. Say we did put a lot of effort into dropping a probe through the hole in the map; we’d never know what’s there, or if it even survived unless it’s able to come back through the same hole. With our observation abilities, we’d be balls deep in WW87 when the RF ping cruised back by Earth. Even if we had a confirmed target, up to date intel on inhabitants, some kind of atmospheric entry strategy, and a whole pallet of Twinkies to distribute as welcome gifts, there’s gonna be a bend, twitch, or drift that’ll drop the ship 3 light years away from target and the whole program will be properly fucked. Even if we could get there, let’s take the #3 & #4 smartest creatures in our world and put them together. How long would it take for a chimp and a dolphin to have any meaningful conversation or understanding with each other? |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 9:26:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They would if you they noticed you started launching fucking nukes at each other like we were. That's when the first reports started. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think there’s a decent chance of it, because I definitely cannot rule out the possibility UFOs are alien craft. My view is that if aliens have ever visited here, they would NOT do so in passing, and in fact have been here far longer than humans. Aliens millions of years older than us, as civilized beings, wouldn’t have just shown up in the last hundred years. They would if you they noticed you started launching fucking nukes at each other like we were. That's when the first reports started. Only within their light cone. You would be assuming they are within 75 light years. Really, you are assuming they are within TWO light years if you take 1947 (Kenneth Arnold/Roswell) as the start of the whole thing. The reports didn't start then, there have always been UFO reports. https://www.nbcnews.com/science/cosmic-log/sleuths-study-ancient-ufos-flna6c10403696 |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 9:27:39 AM EST
[#16]
Of course aliens exist, they just haven't been here - it would be like driving 2000 miles to go to an olive garden.
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Posted: 2/8/2022 9:29:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If by "aliens" you mean mortal beings who have traveled millions/billons of miles to the middle of nowhere in space, no. Well said, I've never seen any convincing evidence to the contrary. Machinery...? perhaps.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 9:29:09 AM EST
[#18]
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/weird-news/former-israeli-space-security-chief-says-extraterrestrials-exist-trump-knows-n1250333
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Posted: 2/8/2022 9:29:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They would if you they noticed you started launching fucking nukes at each other like we were. That's when the first reports started. There were incidents much earlier than that, such as the Aurora UFO crash in 1897. |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 9:35:35 AM EST
[#20]
Do aliens exist ? I’d say yes, it’s narcissistic to believe otherwise, it’s extremely likely they do, probably a wide variety. Have they been here ? Maybe. If someone rolled out real aliens and their ship tomorrow it would not surprise me, nor change my life, beliefs , behavior etc, as Iv suspected they exist for decades now.
Do I believe random tards have been snatched, probed, etc by aliens ? possible I guess, but I view 99.9% of such claims as bullshit, and the last 0.1% skeptically, same as with ghost sightings. If ghosts were proven real it would not really effect my life either. |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 9:36:19 AM EST
[#21]
We are all aliens
ETA: Some sentient species someplace else in the universe, we are and they are asking the very same question. |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 9:41:58 AM EST
[#22]
There's a disturbing amount of continuity among alien abduction stories going back into the pre internet era.
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Posted: 2/8/2022 9:43:11 AM EST
[#23]
Quote History The comment was spot on about a lot of people who believe in things like the paranormal, "ancient aliens" and the like. Guess it hit a little too close to home? Nice try. |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 9:50:27 AM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Surely the set of circumstances that allowed life to flourish here are repeated in many other instances throughout the universe, it would be an impossibility to say it could not. Whether less advanced, similar or more advanced? probably a bit of all 3. I see so many are fixated on the speed of light and the distances involved. If you went to a sailor in the 1700's and tell him the month long voyage he just did would be done in a plane in hours or in a spacecraft in minutes he would never believe you either. In a mere 500 years to go from swords and arrows to nuclear weapons, jet fighters and who knows what else and that's with us spending most of our energy trying to think up new ways to kill each other, imagine a species spending that much time and energy to other goals. I suspect FTL travel will be a non issue by some means our monkey brains can't even comprehend at the moment. Yep. |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 9:51:33 AM EST
[#25]
How was your joint, George?
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Posted: 2/8/2022 9:55:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Surely the set of circumstances that allowed life to flourish here are repeated in many other instances throughout the universe, it would be an impossibility to say it could not. Whether less advanced, similar or more advanced? probably a bit of all 3. I see so many are fixated on the speed of light and the distances involved. If you went to a sailor in the 1700's and tell him the month long voyage he just did would be done in a plane in hours or in a spacecraft in minutes he would never believe you either. In a mere 500 years to go from swords and arrows to nuclear weapons, jet fighters and who knows what else and that's with us spending most of our energy trying to think up new ways to kill each other, imagine a species spending that much time and energy to other goals. I suspect FTL travel will be a non issue by some means our monkey brains can't even comprehend at the moment. Yep. I agree. Like observing birds helped us learn to fly (*inspired), observing spacial phenomena and trying to replicate will help conquer speed and distance and eventually time. |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 9:56:58 AM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Earth has been around billions of years. Any sort of detectable signature of a technologically advanced species on earth would just now be reaching around 200 lightyears from earth in very low detectable amounts that are dwarfed by other emissions from our solar system. Ironically, as we become more advanced, our detectable foot print shrinks. We are radiating less and less energy as we go more and more digital. |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 9:58:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The comment was spot on about a lot of people who believe in things like the paranormal, "ancient aliens" and the like. Guess it hit a little too close to home? Nice try. Quote HistoryQuoted: The comment was spot on about a lot of people who believe in things like the paranormal, "ancient aliens" and the like. Guess it hit a little too close to home? Nice try. Everyone who thinks there's more to this world than we've been told is compensating for their own lonely existence? |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 10:04:52 AM EST
[#29]
I have high confidence that intelligent aliens exist somewhere else in this vast universe and likely even within our galaxy.
I have no good reason to believe that we have ever been visited by any based on our current understanding of the available modes of travel. That could change if we discover FTL methods that actually are possible. My imagination though wants to believe, it's a very exciting thought and frankly could be a more believable origin for life on earth than pure luck or the religious explanations. Right now though all signs point to luck. |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 10:06:19 AM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A species capable of some near light speed travel may have came and saw the earth monkeys or giant lizards for a field trip at some point and then subsequently gone extinct. Or they don't give a fuck. Even if a species achieved light speed travel, it would still take almost 100 billion years to travel across the universe. So figure several billion years to go from their planet to ours. Then several billion years to go back home. I believe there is alien life out there, I just don't believe any life has traveled to Earth. |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 10:22:34 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Surely the set of circumstances that allowed life to flourish here are repeated in many other instances throughout the universe, it would be an impossibility to say it could not. Whether less advanced, similar or more advanced? probably a bit of all 3. I see so many are fixated on the speed of light and the distances involved. If you went to a sailor in the 1700's and tell him the month long voyage he just did would be done in a plane in hours or in a spacecraft in minutes he would never believe you either. In a mere 500 years to go from swords and arrows to nuclear weapons, jet fighters and who knows what else and that's with us spending most of our energy trying to think up new ways to kill each other, imagine a species spending that much time and energy to other goals. I suspect FTL travel will be a non issue by some means our monkey brains can't even comprehend at the moment. The problems with FTL has to do with it’s affect on time. Speed and time are directly related and it has been proven multiple times. Your cell phone is directly affected by it due to GPS abs other aspects. If the relationship wasn’t accounted for our shit would not work. |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 10:28:32 AM EST
[#32]
We, as a species, are just a little over 300 years into being able to travel by air in simple balloons. A little over 100 years into travel by airplane.
We're a little over 80 years into splitting the atom. ~70-ish years into supersonic flight, ~60-ish into manned orbital flight mechanics, ~50-ish into sending manned spacecraft to the moon. All these accomplishments were deemed "impossible" by the "experts" at one time. Those "experts" were all proven wrong by people who didn't trust or believe the "experts". Our "experts" can't even describe to us the physical mechanics of why our feet stick to the ground of our own planet at the current time. All they can do is give us the name for it, and tell us that it actually happens. Some, like Neil DeGrasse Tyson, get visibly upset when asked about concepts related to gravity and it's manipulation. As a species, we are only children, just now learning to play with matches. We have no right to sit arrogantly, proclaiming that we know how the universe works. We don't even know enough at this time to know just how little that we truly understand...and our own deluded, arrogant ignorance of what our place in the universe truly is could be our downfall. The only correct answer at this time is "We don't know for sure, but we're open to new concepts and evidence..." |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 10:30:25 AM EST
[#33]
I do.
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Posted: 2/8/2022 10:33:32 AM EST
[#34]
No. This would have been better with a Yes/No/Maybe poll though.
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Posted: 2/8/2022 10:41:04 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Until we nail down a means to get from point A, to point Z, without watching the whole alphabet go by in the side window, this rock is home. Without a paradigm shift in the ways we think about and practice movement and collection of observations (light, magnetic/radio/etc), the distance is too great to entertain visiting life forms. Say we did put a lot of effort into dropping a probe through the hole in the map; we’d never know what’s there, or if it even survived unless it’s able to come back through the same hole. With our observation abilities, we’d be balls deep in WW87 when the RF ping cruised back by Earth. Even if we had a confirmed target, up to date intel on inhabitants, some kind of atmospheric entry strategy, and a whole pallet of Twinkies to distribute as welcome gifts, there’s gonna be a bend, twitch, or drift that’ll drop the ship 3 light years away from target and the whole program will be properly fucked. Even if we could get there, let’s take the #3 & #4 smartest creatures in our world and put them together. How long would it take for a chimp and a dolphin to have any meaningful conversation or understanding with each other? There have likely already been incidences of monkeys/apes and dolphins coordinating and communicating in some way. I am sure it has happened im some way in some sort of food gathering/hunting despite the amazing gap in environments. They share similar social structures and both have some communication with humans. Hell i can communicate with my dog. Dolphins can learn incredibly complex routines and prompted to them through hand signals. We've taught a lot of apes sign language. Teach the monkey the signals for the dolphins and who knows where it goes. Most likely the monkey would be a dick and the dolphin would retaliate but it is communication. Maybe the aliens can teach us some tricks for their circus. So many in this thread though are stuck on distance. That's the "easy" part. Human civilization is the blink of an eye at the cosmic scale. What are the odds of two civilizations from distant worlds meeting at a time where either exist. Heck if we had been visited just a few hundred years ago there might be some stonework depictions around still and maybe some oral tradition tall tales. Shit they could land here today in most of the ocean, some parts of the american west, tons of canada and the artic, huge swaths of the amazon and south america, antarctica, huge parts of africa etc etc and we might not even know about it depending on the craft or nobody would believe the few who might have seen it if they even bothered to land and didn't just send a probe or make an orbit or something. |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 10:43:18 AM EST
[#36]
Yes, a long time ago.
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Posted: 2/8/2022 10:43:55 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 110%. They still live here. Grays from zeta reticuli and draco reptoids. @BenjaminDover Care to elaborate? First hand experience? |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 10:44:09 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If by "aliens" you mean mortal beings who have traveled millions/billons of miles to the middle of nowhere in space, no. I always land here. Life is certainly probable, possibly even guaranteed given the size of the universe, but travel is extremely impractical. Imagine how many generations would spend their entire lives on a space ship just to make it somewhere. |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 10:46:30 AM EST
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Posted: 2/8/2022 10:50:59 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Even if a species achieved light speed travel, it would still take almost 100 billion years to travel across the universe. So figure several billion years to go from their planet to ours. Then several billion years to go back home. I believe there is alien life out there, I just don't believe any life has traveled to Earth. Parts of the universe travel away from each other faster than the speed of light. To actually travel across the entire universe you would need to exceed that speed. It is not required that an alien travel across the entire universe. Only from the nearest civilization. The drake equation is giving us a couple dozen alien civilizations in the milky way and that number grows the more we learn. The milky way is 53,000 light years across. Lets say the nearest civilization is a 10th of that based on 30ish alien civilizations in the galaxy. That puts one a mere 5000 lightyears away. It becomes far less absurd at that point. Eta: It looks like the estimates based on the drake equation are much higher than that. |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 10:54:09 AM EST
[#41]
Something is here. The DoD UAP report from last summer was clear. Craft are being observed with capabilities that the U.S. does NOT have. Not just a few craft either.
Since the only other nations with capabilities similar to ours are China and Russia, they are ruled out by common sense. If they had this technology, we would already be slaves. I'll end by saying the only "barrier" to faster than light (as observed) travel is human understanding. |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 11:02:16 AM EST
[#42]
Sure. They came, LOL, and left saying there's nothing to see here and promised themselves not to come back.
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Posted: 2/8/2022 11:04:05 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I always land here. Life is certainly probable, possibly even guaranteed given the size of the universe, but travel is extremely impractical. Imagine how many generations would spend their entire lives on a space ship just to make it somewhere. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If by "aliens" you mean mortal beings who have traveled millions/billons of miles to the middle of nowhere in space, no. I always land here. Life is certainly probable, possibly even guaranteed given the size of the universe, but travel is extremely impractical. Imagine how many generations would spend their entire lives on a space ship just to make it somewhere. Travel as we know it is impractical... But we would be arrogant in thinking that we are the most advanced life form out there. Where would we be in 500,000 years if we do not self destruct/get destructed by some event? Our timeline is SOOOO limited in the scheme of the universe. Even 500k years would be short in relation to when life could have begun elsewhere. My point is, we are not capable of understanding a great deal. Our knowledge of the universe is probably 0.000000000000000000000000000001% of what exists, and I believe that is being very generous. When we accept that what we know is so miniscule, what we know we don't know is small, and that we don't even know that we don't know is massive, our minds are more open to information. |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 11:04:31 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Something is here. The DoD UAP report from last summer was clear. Craft are being observed with capabilities that the U.S. does NOT have. Not just a few craft either. Since the only other nations with capabilities similar to ours are China and Russia, they are ruled out by common sense. If they had this technology, we would already be slaves. I'll end by saying the only "barrier" to faster than light (as observed) travel is human understanding. And then didn't they approve billions of dollars to study this, in the very next budget approval? But it's classified, so no one can see where the money is going. It was no coincidence that there was suddenly all of this UFO/alien talk, just before the budget was approved. |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 11:04:59 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Even if a species achieved light speed travel, it would still take almost 100 billion years to travel across the universe. So figure several billion years to go from their planet to ours. Then several billion years to go back home. I believe there is alien life out there, I just don't believe any life has traveled to Earth. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A species capable of some near light speed travel may have came and saw the earth monkeys or giant lizards for a field trip at some point and then subsequently gone extinct. Or they don't give a fuck. Even if a species achieved light speed travel, it would still take almost 100 billion years to travel across the universe. So figure several billion years to go from their planet to ours. Then several billion years to go back home. I believe there is alien life out there, I just don't believe any life has traveled to Earth. Why do you guys always start with travel from another galaxy? There are a shit ton of planets a hell of a lot closer. |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 11:05:01 AM EST
[#46]
I believe they were searching for other intelligent life. They looked at earth, and deduced we're not worth interacting with.
I believe humans are one of the more violent species, considering all the wars and large-scale conflict we've had which dates back thousands of years (Mongol Invasion, conquest of Alexander The Great, roman empire, China's various civil wars, etc.) and not just recent conflicts. (WW1, WW2, Korean War, Gulf War, Vietnam War, various smaller-scale wars like civil wars in Africa, Spanish Civil War.) If you saw a planet that's gotten in that many wars, what do you think would happen if you tried to communicate with them or visit them? Immediate war. I THINK they had a closer eye on us years ago though, that explains why ufo sightings and such have declined. They were interested, then moved on once it was determined to be too dangerous/humans are not what they're looking for. Ironically, I think our first "real" interaction with aliens will be humans invading alien planets. |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 11:09:46 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do you guys always start with travel from another galaxy? There are a shit ton of planets a hell of a lot closer. Yeah i said a couple dozen civilizations in the milky way but it looks like even the original estimates from drake were somewhere between 1000 and 100,000,000 civilizations. There's a lot more recent work done on it. For all we know there could be octopi cities beneath the firmament of europa |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 11:20:01 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do you guys always start with travel from another galaxy? There are a shit ton of planets a hell of a lot closer. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: A species capable of some near light speed travel may have came and saw the earth monkeys or giant lizards for a field trip at some point and then subsequently gone extinct. Or they don't give a fuck. Even if a species achieved light speed travel, it would still take almost 100 billion years to travel across the universe. So figure several billion years to go from their planet to ours. Then several billion years to go back home. I believe there is alien life out there, I just don't believe any life has traveled to Earth. Why do you guys always start with travel from another galaxy? There are a shit ton of planets a hell of a lot closer. Because statistically speaking, it's far more likely that an intelligent civilization exists outside of our galaxy, than inside. There are a handful of possibilities inside our galaxy, but the odds of an intelligent civilization living inside of our galaxy at the same time as humans, are astronomically improbable. If there is intelligent life, it is probably far far away. |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 11:28:00 AM EST
[#49]
Quoted: Yes? No? Thousands of years ago? Yesterday? They built the pyramids 5000 years ago, or are still here today? No. The Fermi paradox is compelling. |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 11:29:14 AM EST
[#50]
Life exists elsewhere but it will never be in the same space and time as us.
So my answer to the question is no. |
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