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Posted: Today 9:33:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By torstin: As strange as the scenario was that brought Harris into place, I'd also like to know the thinking behind Waltz. I'm sure they thought they needed an older looking white guy but nothing about the pick makes any sense. If they wanted to win enough to get rid of Biden, they weren't looking for throw away candidates. They also spent a billion dollars trying to win. Unless the plan was for consultants and politically connected to get chunks of campaign cash, Biden endorsing Harris sort of blew up what ever plans the party had. So instead of changing tack, they doubled down. They tried to hide Joe's decline, then installed Harris and picked Walz. They wanted candidates that undecideds wouldn't vote against, only they offered no reason to vote *for* them either. It was all "Orange man bad" and very little "Brown woman/Midwest Dad good". And that's what killed them. There was no reason for the non-leftist Democrat base to vote for her. So they didn't. |
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Posted: Today 9:43:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DistanceX: Why would you waste a good VP pick on the Harris clown show? They're keeping the "better" ones for 2028. The good ones opted out because they knew being second in command of The Titanic is not a good career move. |
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Posted: Today 9:52:04 AM EST
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I didn't read the full thread, sorry if this has been previously written.
He wasn't a "pick." He was calculated choice made from the few willing to attach his political future to Harris. If you remember that list very wasn't long. It included people like Warren. So judge accordingly. |
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Posted: Today 9:53:22 AM EST
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He's one of the gayest
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Posted: Today 10:23:22 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Andrewsky: Piers Morgan was talking to Bill O'Reilly. O'Reilly claims he knows as a fact that Shapiro would have taken it if offered. I think he was on the short list but the whole Gaza thing got the muzzies all worked up and the dems probably felt a Jew in the vp slot would even make things worse for them. The dems were in a no win situation and seemed to vapor lock and pick a dud to run with the other dud. |
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Posted: Today 10:32:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BoneB1B: Dan Quayle gets flak, but he’s a lot smarter than walz. My mother who is a left of center (on most things) dem worked with him when she was a big wig with the league of women voters while she lived in Indiana and said while she did not agree with the man on many things, she thought he was a very nice man and was rather intelligent. |
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Posted: Today 10:35:31 AM EST
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I can't believe anyone ever voted for him. There is nothing good in that man.
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Posted: Today 10:42:06 AM EST
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Dems are in a habit of picking shitty VP noms.
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Posted: Today 10:45:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Armed_Scientist: He was a baffling pick, brought nothing to the table, and arguably became a liability. Not that we'll ever see it, but I'd love to hear an explanation of the thought process of picking him. Seems lile a tradition for the left to pick someone dumber than the president for VP. |
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Posted: Today 11:04:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dissident: The only thing truly propping him and his ilk are those shit hole Hennepin, Ramsey, and Dakota counties. On a side note, I can understand Olmstead going blue with Mayo Clinic and all the liberal elites. What's with Clay and St. Louis counties that drive them blue? Colleges? Clay County has 2 colleges and went Democrat by less than 0.5% in 2024. St. Louis County includes Duluth which is the 5th largest city in MN. Between the urban population, a state college, what used to be a union base with mining companies, and hippies/yuppies retiring to their cabins in the area it is a solid Democrat stronghold. Cook County is also solid blue but it only has a population of around 7,000 people. It has a relatively larger Native American population and also a retirement destination for hippies. It is the only place that I've seen a "abortion is health care" rally in Minnesota. Which was all white women, many of them teenagers and early twenties. |
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Posted: Today 11:05:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigFatDog: I didn't read the full thread, sorry if this has been previously written. He wasn't a "pick." He was calculated choice made from the few willing to attach his political future to Harris. If you remember that list very wasn't long. It included people like Warren. So judge accordingly. This. The Democrats separate people into groups. They decided that white men wouldn't vote for Harris, so they needed to find a caricature of someone white men would like. |
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Posted: Today 11:09:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Master_Shake: Believe it or not, I think it came down to the other guy being considered was too Jewish so they went with Waltz Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Master_Shake: Originally Posted By Armed_Scientist: He was a baffling pick, brought nothing to the table, and arguably became a liability. Not that we'll ever see it, but I'd love to hear an explanation of the thought process of picking him. Believe it or not, I think it came down to the other guy being considered was too Jewish so they went with Waltz The only thing Walz and Harris have in common: they were both DEI hires who underperformed. |
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Posted: Today 11:11:01 AM EST
[Last Edit: Cypher214]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Requiem: Most of yall would probably disagree with me. It's Palin IMO. When McCain picked her, it was over for him. They simply didnt mesh together. Palin didnt really appeal to the masses. Palin came too soon. She appeals more to the MAGA crowd than the GOPe McCain types. |
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Posted: Today 11:25:56 AM EST
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I'm going with LBJ. Still not convinced that he wasn't involved in killing JFK. That should qualify as being a shitty VP.
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MN, USA
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Posted: Today 11:28:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bohr_Adam: I'm just fucking glad he's relegated to a forgettable footnote in the history books. Not in MN. We've still got him as governor for at least 2 more years. |
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Posted: Today 11:32:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sartorius: Some of you aren't old enough to remember Geraldine Ferraro. A perfect match for Mondale in 84. Yep. She was a token to try and gain the female vote. |
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Posted: Today 11:34:59 AM EST
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Depends on what OP means by "worst"?
Winning/Losing their respective election? Being competent/incompetent at furthering their agendas? Being honest/dishonest? Spiro Agnew has been mentioned. But what about LBJ who should be counted as pretty bad for saddling the US with some horrible social welfare burdens and setting us up for racial division. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: Today 1:20:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C-ham: Seems lile a tradition for the left to pick someone dumber than the president for VP. We know the DNCs internal polling was showing the race much closer than they were publicly acknowledging, I'm honestly wondering if they were worried about losing MN. |
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Posted: Today 1:34:04 PM EST
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Any proof for accusing John Garner of being a Communist agent?
He opposed FDR's New Deal and he opposed FDR's attempt to pack the Supreme Court. You might want to recheck your facts before making wild accusations. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tiberius: FDR’s first VPOTUS had to be replaced in the ‘44 Election because he was probably a NKVD asset, that’s a pretty tall bar to clear but Timmy probably could do it. |
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Posted: Today 1:38:42 PM EST
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While that may be true, LBJ was a big help to
New York Catholic JFK in winning the 1962 Presidential election. He was also the Senate Majority Leader for many years and knew how to get things done in Washington. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kpel308: LBJ was crooked as fuck. |
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Posted: Today 1:43:48 PM EST
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They would not have spent a Billion dollars if this was the case.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dr_Dickie: I am convinced (and have been from before the election) that the Dem knew when they were forced to have Kamala as their candidate that they were going to lose. They figured the best thing to do was purge the party of a lot of the loony left. So, stuck with Kamala, going to lose, force her to have a weird dude like Walz as her running mate to seal the deal. |
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Posted: Today 1:48:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R2point0: Spiro Agnew H. Ross Perot's running mate - some admiral no one has ever heard of who always looked like a deer in the headlights. Dude, you're way off on that one. 
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Posted: Today 1:49:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TomB7777: They would not have spent a Billion dollars if this was the case. That's what I thought as well. But IIRC one of the gimmicks politicians plays is to put their relatives and friends into "consulting" firms that get a cut of the $$. Thus the $1B spent is just the visible part of the payola scheme. |
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Posted: Today 1:51:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Armed_Scientist: He was a baffling pick, brought nothing to the table, and arguably became a liability. Not that we'll ever see it, but I'd love to hear an explanation of the thought process of picking him. Harris saw him as a kindred leftist |
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Posted: Today 1:54:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: Harris saw him as a kindred leftist Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: Originally Posted By Armed_Scientist: He was a baffling pick, brought nothing to the table, and arguably became a liability. Not that we'll ever see it, but I'd love to hear an explanation of the thought process of picking him. Harris saw him as a kindred leftist There was an article on realclearpolitics yesterday. She didn't want anyone that outshined her. So basically the meme of the dems picking continually stupider VP's is actually true. |
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Posted: Today 1:57:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: Harris saw him as a kindred leftist Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: Originally Posted By Armed_Scientist: He was a baffling pick, brought nothing to the table, and arguably became a liability. Not that we'll ever see it, but I'd love to hear an explanation of the thought process of picking him. Harris saw him as a kindred leftist All he did was double down on how disingenuous the left has been with their "how do you do fellow middle class americans" staged bullshit. Fuck them and their little cloud of grift and smug faux superiority. |
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Posted: Today 2:09:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Armed_Scientist: Not that we'll ever see it, but I'd love to hear an explanation of the thought process of picking him. Twin Cities talk radio just after Walz was announced had theories that the Dems feared MN would flip red this election. Even with Walz, Trump flipped 4 counties that he did not get in 16 or 20. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: Today 2:17:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sartorius: Some of you aren't old enough to remember Geraldine Ferraro. A perfect match for Mondale in 84. I think shes a better nominee than Harris or Walz. To be fair, I've known about Harris and Walz for years, with Ferraro it was only the election cycle. |
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Posted: Today 2:19:18 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dissident: The only thing truly propping him and his ilk are those shit hole Hennepin, Ramsey, and Dakota counties. On a side note, I can understand Olmstead going blue with Mayo Clinic and all the liberal elites. What's with Clay and St. Louis counties that drive them blue? Colleges? Clay - Concordia College in Moorhead. Cranks out a lot of libs. I know this well, my brother, sister, mom, 2 aunts, 2 cousins, and 1/3 of my graduating class attended there. St. Louis - UMD, you've got the old school union industry presence, lots of medical, and the traditional MN hippies who were also considered leftist back when MN was a lot more moderate (DFL). |
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Posted: Today 2:33:08 PM EST
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He has a Richard Simmons mentality. Screaming and waving. "Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!" "Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!"
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AK, USA
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Posted: Today 2:43:44 PM EST
[#31]
I saw a video recently that basically said the problem with Walz is they dressed him up to LARP as a man.
Which is why he seemed so out of his element. He is male but he's not and has never been a man's man. So having him dress up like one to somehow dupe the male voter was a huge misstep. |
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Posted: Today 2:45:02 PM EST
[#32]
No.
Harris was a far worse VP candidate. |
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Posted: Today 2:46:26 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By runcible: Can't forget Thomas Eagleton. |
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Posted: Today 2:48:08 PM EST
[#34]
He was one of thw worst choices she could have made.
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Posted: Today 2:53:39 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TomB7777: Any proof for accusing John Garner of being a Communist agent? He opposed FDR's New Deal and he opposed FDR's attempt to pack the Supreme Court. You might want to recheck your facts before making wild accusations. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TomB7777: Any proof for accusing John Garner of being a Communist agent? He opposed FDR's New Deal and he opposed FDR's attempt to pack the Supreme Court. You might want to recheck your facts before making wild accusations. Originally Posted By Tiberius: FDR’s first VPOTUS had to be replaced in the ‘44 Election because he was probably a NKVD asset, that’s a pretty tall bar to clear but Timmy probably could do it. I assume they're talking about Henry Wallace.. |
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Posted: Today 2:54:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cyclic240B: Dude, you're way off on that one. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cyclic240B: Originally Posted By R2point0: Spiro Agnew H. Ross Perot's running mate - some admiral no one has ever heard of who always looked like a deer in the headlights. Dude, you're way off on that one. I've heard it said that Stockdale had hearing issues and when he looked confused as a result the media made him out to be a retard.. |
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Posted: Today 2:55:58 PM EST
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He does tell a mean rip.
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Posted: Today 3:00:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crownvic96: They thought being a older white dude he'd bring in the middle America moderates. Problem was everything he did was a total beta fudd. Shitty hunting PR stunt. A fucking video gamer, with AOC? Come on lol. They didn't even have the god damn controller on in one of the photos. All he did was double down on how disingenuous the left has been with their "how do you do fellow middle class americans" staged bullshit. Fuck them and their little cloud of grift and smug faux superiority. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By crownvic96: Originally Posted By tc556guy: Originally Posted By Armed_Scientist: He was a baffling pick, brought nothing to the table, and arguably became a liability. Not that we'll ever see it, but I'd love to hear an explanation of the thought process of picking him. Harris saw him as a kindred leftist All he did was double down on how disingenuous the left has been with their "how do you do fellow middle class americans" staged bullshit. Fuck them and their little cloud of grift and smug faux superiority. It really does show just how out of touch with reality hard-core libs are. |
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Posted: Today 3:01:49 PM EST
[#39]
Walz was the embodiment of someone picked right from today’s TV/internet commercials…few if any straight white males are allowed, if they are present they are normally portrayed as dumbasses.
With Walz you have an obvious dumbass, trying too hard to come off as a normal straight white guy…and failing because the only thing that we can be sure of is that he is indeed a white guy. Probably not straight, definitely not normal. At least now he has plenty of time to go back to his important work of making sure the boys bathrooms have free tampons in them, and hanging out with his weirdo friends. |
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Posted: Today 3:03:34 PM EST
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Ok, but Henry Wallace was VP during Roosevelt's third term.
Not his first VP. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By byron2112: I assume they're talking about Henry Wallace.. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By byron2112: Originally Posted By TomB7777: Any proof for accusing John Garner of being a Communist agent? He opposed FDR's New Deal and he opposed FDR's attempt to pack the Supreme Court. You might want to recheck your facts before making wild accusations. Originally Posted By Tiberius: FDR’s first VPOTUS had to be replaced in the ‘44 Election because he was probably a NKVD asset, that’s a pretty tall bar to clear but Timmy probably could do it. I assume they're talking about Henry Wallace.. |
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Posted: Today 3:07:45 PM EST
[#41]
Most of MN fucking hates him, he is only there because of the communists that run the Twin Cities and Duluth. Hell even the iron range which has traditionally been union democrats jumped on the Trump train.
This billboard has been put up multiple places along Highway 2 over the last 4 years.  Billboard Takes Big Jab At Minnesota Governor Walz |
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Posted: Today 3:13:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobP: I think shes a better nominee than Harris or Walz. To be fair, I've known about Harris and Walz for years, with Ferraro it was only the election cycle. She's been dead since 2011. She probably voted for them though. |
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Posted: Today 9:01:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sartorius: Some of you aren't old enough to remember Geraldine Ferraro. A perfect match for Mondale in 84. "Fritz and Tits"  And THEY came up with it! |
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Posted: Today 9:06:45 PM EST
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He was bad, but they really are all a blur these days with no real distinction. Who was the last decent (in the context of their party) Democrat VP pick? Lieberman?
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Posted: Today 9:19:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: fgshoot]
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Firearmsenthusiast: Most of MN fucking hates him, he is only there because of the communists that run the Twin Cities and Duluth. Hell even the iron range which has traditionally been union democrats jumped on the Trump train. This billboard has been put up multiple places along Highway 2 over the last 4 years.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hduw92y8J7ABack 2020, I'm pretty sure it was up even before the 2020 riots, I was driving near Bemidji and saw a big billboard of a guy with his head stuck up his ass, and a caption that said something like trying to see it from Tim Walz point of view. I almost went off the road laughing. I can not stress enough to people not from around here how much the majority of Minnesota HATES Tim Walz. Every state has a big city or two that heavily weights elections. Minnesota is really, really fucked in that department. If you don't live within a 20 mile radius of Minneapolis, the politicians really do not give two shits what you think. |
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Posted: Today 9:21:17 PM EST
[#46]
I’m going to preface this by saying I did not read the entire thread.
I’m just going to ask one question? Can anyone remember without googling it in 2016? Who is Hillary’s running mate? I saw Mike Pence in Sarasota, Florida at the Hyatt hotel to a packed room standing only. Maybe 400 or 500 people. Whoever the hell, Hillary ran with could draw 30. That was actual numbers is 30. |
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SD, USA
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Posted: Today 9:25:11 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ZuoZongtang: I’m going to preface this by saying I did not read the entire thread. I’m just going to ask one question? Can anyone remember without googling it in 2016? Who is Hillary’s running mate? I saw Mike Pence in Sarasota, Florida at the Hyatt hotel to a packed room standing only. Maybe 400 or 500 people. Whoever the hell, Hillary ran with could draw 30. That was actual numbers is 30. Hell, I was just trying for like 30 seconds to remember who Barrack Obamas running mate was in 2008 until I realized I may be as smart as the man himself. I have no idea who shit sandwich's running mate was. At least I remember Gary Johnsons, William Weld, because he has such an awesome name. |
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