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Posted: 10/6/2021 6:15:17 AM EST
Hi. I'm a newbie here.
My name is Mark, I’m from Kazakhstan. I'm looking a help to identify unique ECWCS. The seller offer me to buy an US military ECWCS parka and trousers. I’m doubt that this offer is unique, it looks like a fake product. I try to search manufacturer by NSN number 8415-01-P-1341 printed on label, but didn’t found anything. I didn't meet NSN number with letters before. Also I didn't found any us military contractors with brand "ALGI" Please help me, I don’t want to birn my money on a fake product. Thank you very much in advance.     |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 6:20:12 AM EST
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Bump for OP
Someone will belong that can help |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 6:23:17 AM EST
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Posted: 10/6/2021 6:29:54 AM EST
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Greetings fellow cold weather clothing enthusiast.
I've never heard of Algi, but I bet they are a company like Rothco that makes knockoff military clothing. The label should say "NSN" followed by the number, not just the number. And that is not a valid NSN. Here is a list of the NSNs for the ECWCS clothing system: https://www.armyproperty.com/Resources/NSN-Listings/ECWCS.htm You can find legit ones by searching eBay for ""ECWCS Gen III Level 7" and they're relatively cheap, no need to buy a knockoff. I keep a pair in my Jeep for emergencies. |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 6:37:06 AM EST
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ALGI seems to be a middle eastern clothing manufacturer specializing in military clothing and accessories.
Their stuff is quite rare in North America, if there is any over here at all. Looks like good quality stuff though. Good luck and welcome aboard OP. |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 6:51:46 AM EST
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Thank you guys.
I tried to find ECWCS on ebay, it is resonably priced, but delivery price almost kill me. I want to buy all 7 layers and pay once for delivery, but didn't find any seller who sold complete pack of ECWCS. So it is about 5-7 parcels $100 each. I found an official government surplus auctions before, (it sale in 1000s items), and now I forget it's web address do you have any sugestions? P.S. I guess that i found this government surplus auction website after watching a "War Dogs" movie ))) . I was interested what is sold there. |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 6:56:53 AM EST
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Here OP, I just dug mine out and took a picture:
 Note how much more loft there is and also it's a smooth nylon lining not fleece. Maybe what you're looking at is a knockoff of Level 5 or 6 not 7. Though only Level 7 uses the "Parka" terminology rather than "jacket". I would go for the real stuff. |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 6:59:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you guys. I tried to find ECWCS on ebay, it is resonably priced, but delivery price almost kill me. I want to buy all 7 layers and pay once for delivery, but didn't find any seller who sold complete pack of ECWCS. So it is about 5-7 parcels $100 each. I found an official government surplus auctions before, (it sale in 1000s items), and now I forget it's web address do you have any sugestions? P.S. I guess that i found this government surplus auction website after watching a "War Dogs" movie ))) . I was interested what is sold there. You're in Central Asia. There will be lots of genuine American military equipment available for sale in the very near future. |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 7:03:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here OP, I just dug mine out and took a picture: Note how much more loft there is and also it's a smooth nylon lining not fleece. Maybe what you're looking at is a knockoff of Level 5 or 6 not 7. Though only Level 7 uses the "Parka" terminology rather than "jacket". I would go for the real stuff. I think they sell fake "ECWCS gen II parka" similar to "H2O PROOF. Gen-2 ECWCS Parka" It is like combination of 3-5-6 layers from gen III in one. I understood that this is fake, so I will try to find unique ECWCS gen III staff |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 7:03:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you guys. I tried to find ECWCS on ebay, it is resonably priced, but delivery price almost kill me. I want to buy all 7 layers and pay once for delivery, but didn't find any seller who sold complete pack of ECWCS. So it is about 5-7 parcels $100 each. I found an official government surplus auctions before, (it sale in 1000s items), and now I forget it's web address do you have any sugestions? P.S. I guess that i found this government surplus auction website after watching a "War Dogs" movie ))) . I was interested what is sold there. Honestly the good stuff is Level 1 and 2 and to a lesser degree 3. It's basically the same stuff you'd get from Patagonia, OR, Marmot, etc. but for 1/4 the price. The 4/5/6/7 stuff all has better commercial equivalents at the same or better prices. I only bought the Level 7 set because I got a crazy deal on it. No interest in the 4/5/6 stuff. |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 7:06:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're in Central Asia. There will be lots of genuine American military equipment available for sale in the very near future. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Thank you guys. I tried to find ECWCS on ebay, it is resonably priced, but delivery price almost kill me. I want to buy all 7 layers and pay once for delivery, but didn't find any seller who sold complete pack of ECWCS. So it is about 5-7 parcels $100 each. I found an official government surplus auctions before, (it sale in 1000s items), and now I forget it's web address do you have any sugestions? P.S. I guess that i found this government surplus auction website after watching a "War Dogs" movie ))) . I was interested what is sold there. You're in Central Asia. There will be lots of genuine American military equipment available for sale in the very near future. Do you mean GI sale from Afghanistan? Didn't they abandon it there? How could I find it? |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 7:09:12 AM EST
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Threads like this help me remember why I like Arfcom so much.
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Posted: 10/6/2021 7:11:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you mean GI sale from Afghanistan? Didn't they abandon it there? How could I find it? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Thank you guys. I tried to find ECWCS on ebay, it is resonably priced, but delivery price almost kill me. I want to buy all 7 layers and pay once for delivery, but didn't find any seller who sold complete pack of ECWCS. So it is about 5-7 parcels $100 each. I found an official government surplus auctions before, (it sale in 1000s items), and now I forget it's web address do you have any sugestions? P.S. I guess that i found this government surplus auction website after watching a "War Dogs" movie ))) . I was interested what is sold there. You're in Central Asia. There will be lots of genuine American military equipment available for sale in the very near future. Do you mean GI sale from Afghanistan? Didn't they abandon it there? How could I find it? I'm pretty sure he's making a joke that all of the stuff the US left will be up for sale soon by the Taliban. |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 7:19:05 AM EST
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Here is a pic from a genuine ecws trouser. That and the layer 7 parka has been made by tennier industries for the last 6-7years.
 My company makes the insulation for this garment. The garment you have could very well predate when Tennier was awarded the contract, or they may have used a different subcontractor for the finished garment….though I’ve never heard of Algi. Current gen3 ecw outer layers will use continuous filament insulation. Older gen3 outer layers used primaloft (cut staple fiber insulation). |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 7:19:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Honestly the good stuff is Level 1 and 2 and to a lesser degree 3. It's basically the same stuff you'd get from Patagonia, OR, Marmot, etc. but for 1/4 the price. The 4/5/6/7 stuff all has better commercial equivalents at the same or better prices. I only bought the Level 7 set because I got a crazy deal on it. No interest in the 4/5/6 stuff. Could make any examples of civilian stuff similar to ECWCS? I found only "Sitka", but the price is incomparable. I had "Marmot" jacket, wasn't happy with it, membrane not working at all, I was wet altime. |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 7:25:38 AM EST
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OP any reason you want the ECWCS stuff in particular? Being in Kazakhstan you probably have access to Russian milsurp stuff like Gorka suits right, could you get some base and mid layer thermals with a fleece and use one of those as an outer layer?
I must admit, I am not sure if wearing/using Russian issue items would be frowned upon in your country given the history with them? Gorka   |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 7:30:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm pretty sure he's making a joke that all of the stuff the US left will be up for sale soon by the Taliban. Oh, I didn't catch this joke lol. |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 7:36:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think they sell fake "ECWCS gen II parka" similar to "H2O PROOF. Gen-2 ECWCS Parka" It is like combination of 3-5-6 layers from gen III in one. I understood that this is fake, so I will try to find unique ECWCS gen III staff Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Here OP, I just dug mine out and took a picture: Note how much more loft there is and also it's a smooth nylon lining not fleece. Maybe what you're looking at is a knockoff of Level 5 or 6 not 7. Though only Level 7 uses the "Parka" terminology rather than "jacket". I would go for the real stuff. I think they sell fake "ECWCS gen II parka" similar to "H2O PROOF. Gen-2 ECWCS Parka" It is like combination of 3-5-6 layers from gen III in one. I understood that this is fake, so I will try to find unique ECWCS gen III staff Sekri, ADS, and Tennier are the manufacturers to look for. ETA: also Patagonia |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 7:39:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sekri, ADS, and Tennier are the manufacturers to look for. ETA: also Patagonia Thank you! |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 7:43:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP any reason you want the ECWCS stuff in particular? Being in Kazakhstan you probably have access to Russian milsurp stuff like Gorka suits right, could you get some base and mid layer thermals with a fleece and use one of those as an outer layer? I must admit, I am not sure if wearing/using Russian issue items would be frowned upon in your country given the history with them? Gorka Shit quality is the main reason why I didn't even consider to buy it. They made it in China by the way. I bought and already use Improved Modular Sleep System, now I don't want any other product except US military issue. |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 7:49:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shit quality is the main reason why I didn't even consider to buy it. They made it in China by the way. I bought and already use Improved Modular Sleep System, now I don't want any other product except US military issue. We make the insulation for that too 
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Posted: 10/6/2021 7:59:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Could make any examples of civilian stuff similar to ECWCS? I found only "Sitka", but the price is incomparable. I had "Marmot" jacket, wasn't happy with it, membrane not working at all, I was wet altime. There aren't any. A lot of what's out there are companies that used to make quality products in the US or EU and shifted production to China while still charging 100s of $s. When I was looking Tiaga was the bottom teir of the non Chinese stuff and it was 200-300$ for just a jacket. Sounds like the shipping might kill you but I've gotten ecwcs jackets for 50 and pants for the same on ebay used but you have to be patient and buy quick when it pops up. I think what your looking at is not a parka but a knock off of the lvl6 hard shell (rain jacket and pants). Look for the same thing made by Tennier. It will have a slightly shiny silver lining inside that supposedly gives some thermal camouflage. There are older models made be Tullahoma and Proper but these are of slightly lesser quality imo and are louder when you're moving about. The lvl6 pants are quite nice and the jacket is OK (no pockets). They're not Gucci mountain gear but are extremely water and wind proof and breathe fairly well as well as having reinforced elbows/knees/ass. The APECS trousers are basically lvl6 pants with some improvements including large side cargo pockets that are great for mags/lrf/thermal. Someone dumped a lot on ebay and I bought a bunch at 42$ per but they seem to be 150$> now. I have a bunch of this stuff and can get pics when I get home if you need any. 
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Posted: 10/6/2021 8:40:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Current gen3 ecw outer layers will use continuous filament insulation. Older gen3 outer layers used primaloft (cut staple fiber insulation). @xXGearheadXx When did they make the switch? Are they actually using APEX? Or the old Polarguard type stuff? |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 8:51:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Could make any examples of civilian stuff similar to ECWCS? I found only "Sitka", but the price is incomparable. I had "Marmot" jacket, wasn't happy with it, membrane not working at all, I was wet altime. Level 1 is just Polartec Powerdry Silkweight and Level 2 is Polartec Power Grid. There are a million companies making base layers out of this stuff. BUT you can usually find the ECWCS stuff way cheaper. Level 3 is Polartec Themal Pro fleece. Again, lots of places make stuff with it, usually for a lot more money. Level 4 is a windshirt. Comparable to Patagonia Houdini, Black Diamond Alpine Start, Mountain Hardwear Kor Preshell, etc. Level 5 is just a nylon softshell jacket and trousers. Google "soft shell" and you'll find a million similar items. Level 6 is a 2L Gore-Tex.Paclite hard shell jacket and trousers. Google "Paclite" and you'll find a million civilian brands. I'm not a fan of 2L and 2.5L Gore-Tex personally, if I'm going WPB I want 3L Gore-Tex Classic or Pro. Level 7 is the cold weather parka and trousers. Nylon shell filled with Primaloft Sport short staple insulation. If you Google "Primaloft Sport" or "Primaloft Silver" you'll find plenty of similar civilian garments. |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 9:48:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Level 1 is just Polartec Powerdry Silkweight and Level 2 is Polartec Power Grid. There are a million companies making base layers out of this stuff. BUT you can usually find the ECWCS stuff way cheaper. Level 3 is Polartec Themal Pro fleece. Again, lots of places make stuff with it, usually for a lot more money. Level 4 is a windshirt. Comparable to Patagonia Houdini, Black Diamond Alpine Start, Mountain Hardwear Kor Preshell, etc. Level 5 is just a nylon softshell jacket and trousers. Google "soft shell" and you'll find a million similar items. Level 6 is a 2L Gore-Tex.Paclite hard shell jacket and trousers. Google "Paclite" and you'll find a million civilian brands. I'm not a fan of 2L and 2.5L Gore-Tex personally, if I'm going WPB I want 3L Gore-Tex Classic or Pro. Level 7 is the cold weather parka and trousers. Nylon shell filled with Primaloft Sport short staple insulation. If you Google "Primaloft Sport" or "Primaloft Silver" you'll find plenty of similar civilian garments. I could fill the coffee cup on my desk right now with all the insulation primaloft has supplied to Gen3 over the last The specs on that contract are extremely tight and you'd have an very hard time meeting the thermal requirements with any cut staple product. |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 9:58:45 AM EST
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Look at Russian stuff. It might be easier to get in your country. They basically copied the ecwcs. Type in “vkbo” on eBay.
Also the us military is very close to replacing the ecwcs with the ctaps. It’s better in every way. |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 10:00:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @xXGearheadXx When did they make the switch? Are they actually using APEX? Or the old Polarguard type stuff? @79CJ7 Just taking a quick scroll through our orders and i'm seeing as far back as August 2013. Got tired of clicking through orders. It's been quite a while. ....and correct. Climashield Apex. Polarguard went the way of the Dodo back in 2008-2009ish. Same concept (continuous filament) but with a lot of improvements. |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 11:18:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @79CJ7 Just taking a quick scroll through our orders and i'm seeing as far back as August 2013. Got tired of clicking through orders. It's been quite a while. ....and correct. Climashield Apex. Polarguard went the way of the Dodo back in 2008-2009ish. Same concept (continuous filament) but with a lot of improvements. Just googled it. The changeover to APEX happened in 2013: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/us-army-mobilizes-climashield-to-battle-the-cold-204135621.html My set has a contract code indicating manufacture between 2006-2011 and most certainly has the short staple Primaloft Sport. Bummer. |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 11:22:15 AM EST
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Mark, I have heard that Kazakhstan is the number one exporter of potassium.
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Posted: 10/6/2021 4:02:44 PM EST
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So I looked up the specs on the new Level 7 Parka with Climashield Apex. 100g in the body and 67g in the hood. Not sure I'd consider that a -40F static piece, lol. Yes, I'm aware the rating assumes you're wearing like 5 or 6 of the layers at the same time.
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Posted: 10/6/2021 4:13:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So I looked up the specs on the new Level 7 Parka with Climashield Apex. 100g in the body and 67g in the hood. Not sure I'd consider that a -40F static piece, lol. Yes, I'm aware the rating assumes you're wearing like 5 or 6 of the layers at the same time. The CTAP level 7 is far warmer than the ECWCS but for packing considerations it takes up far more space.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 4:14:48 PM EST
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Oh, hi Mark!
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Posted: 10/6/2021 4:38:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So I looked up the specs on the new Level 7 Parka with Climashield Apex. 100g in the body and 67g in the hood. Not sure I'd consider that a -40F static piece, lol. Yes, I'm aware the rating assumes you're wearing like 5 or 6 of the layers at the same time. They also have bits that aren't part of the numbered system. If you add the 300g jacket and 200g bib into the mix with silkies and waffles and parka over the the top I'd think it would be good down to ridiculously low temps. |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 4:47:28 PM EST
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I'm no help on your question but welcome to Arfcom.
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Posted: 10/6/2021 9:39:48 PM EST
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If the links work here's some examples of level 6 pants. Only buy from sellers who have pics of the tags. Ads is the company that sells the ecwcs gear to the .gov. companies like Peckham, Proper, Tennier etc actually make it. When it comes to lvl 6 trousers which I'm a fan of there are 2 kinds I'm aware of. The kind with the dull Grey liner made by Tullahoma, the .fed pen in Kentucky, and possibly Proper. The other kind is made by Tennier and has the slightly shiny silver liner. Imo the Tennier are a little nicer but any of them are good. Prices are a little higher than when I was buying but still not bad if you shop around.
Tullahoma https://www.ebay.com/itm/144206805261?hash=item219365390d:g:L9cAAOSwYndhRW9i .fed pokey https://www.ebay.com/itm/304138201015?hash=item46d00ca7b7:g:z8IAAOSw-Q5hOMXY Tennier https://www.ebay.com/itm/133896026671?hash=item1f2cd33a2f:g:WNgAAOSwdt5hXN9E DO NOT!!!! Get the Orc rain gear. It is complete shit and not gortex and not breathability at all. |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 10:40:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mark, I have heard that Kazakhstan is the number one exporter of potassium. Don't know about potassium export, but pretty sure that Kazakhstan is number one in export of uranium |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 10:56:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the links work here's some examples of level 6 pants. Only buy from sellers who have pics of the tags. Ads is the company that sells the ecwcs gear to the .gov. companies like Peckham, Proper, Tennier etc actually make it. When it comes to lvl 6 trousers which I'm a fan of there are 2 kinds I'm aware of. The kind with the dull Grey liner made by Tullahoma, the .fed pen in Kentucky, and possibly Proper. The other kind is made by Tennier and has the slightly shiny silver liner. Imo the Tennier are a little nicer but any of them are good. Prices are a little higher than when I was buying but still not bad if you shop around. Tullahoma https://www.ebay.com/itm/144206805261?hash=item219365390d:g:L9cAAOSwYndhRW9i .fed pokey https://www.ebay.com/itm/304138201015?hash=item46d00ca7b7:g:z8IAAOSw-Q5hOMXY Tennier https://www.ebay.com/itm/133896026671?hash=item1f2cd33a2f:g:WNgAAOSwdt5hXN9E DO NOT!!!! Get the Orc rain gear. It is complete shit and not gortex and not breathability at all. Thank you. I will check it. |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 11:11:02 PM EST
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The garments in OP’s post are not Gen 3 ECWCS items, they are a commercial copy of the old “Gen 2 ECWCS”/APECS garments. They’re a lot more rugged than the L6/Patagonia Torrentshell, but heavy and bulky. The best value/performance compromise commercial garments I’ve tried have been the Outdoor Research Foray jacket and pants. You can find them used in the $40/pc range.
OP, if you want a L/R APECS parka in ABU tiger, you can have mine for the cost of shipping. Assuming that’s legal. I’m sure someone here can chime in on that. |
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Posted: 10/6/2021 11:16:01 PM EST
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A first post that *probably* isn’t a fed or a troll. Nice! Welcome to the site.
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Posted: 10/6/2021 11:27:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't know about potassium export, but pretty sure that Kazakhstan is number one in export of uranium Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Mark, I have heard that Kazakhstan is the number one exporter of potassium. Don't know about potassium export, but pretty sure that Kazakhstan is number one in export of uranium He's make a Borat joke. Just ignore the stupid. Where ya from up there? I made it to Nursultan for the expo back in.. 2015 was it? And was in Almaty a bit in 2010. Really haven't seen much if the countryside at all. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 12:29:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's make a Borat joke. Just ignore the stupid. Where ya from up there? I made it to Nursultan for the expo back in.. 2015 was it? And was in Almaty a bit in 2010. Really haven't seen much if the countryside at all. Thank you. I'm from Astana, expo was in 2017. There are many pure nature places to see. But I think, you will not be very impressed if compare it to US national parks like Yosemite or Yellowstone. I dream to visit it once in the future. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 12:30:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A first post that *probably* isn’t a fed or a troll. Nice! Welcome to the site. Thank you. I'm not a troll, sure. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 12:38:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you. I'm from Astana, expo was in 2017. There are many pure nature places to see. But I think, you will not be very impressed if compare it to US national parks like Yosemite or Yellowstone. I dream to visit it once in the future. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He's make a Borat joke. Just ignore the stupid. Where ya from up there? I made it to Nursultan for the expo back in.. 2015 was it? And was in Almaty a bit in 2010. Really haven't seen much if the countryside at all. Thank you. I'm from Astana, expo was in 2017. There are many pure nature places to see. But I think, you will not be very impressed if compare it to US national parks like Yosemite or Yellowstone. I dream to visit it once in the future. You don’t have to dream, just come up with a Spanish name and walk on in. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 5:57:36 AM EST
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These are the apecs I mentioned earlier. They are similar to the ecwcs level 6. Biggest difference is the leg zippers are a water proof design and don't have velcro flaps and they have large side pockets. I bought a bunch in the 40$ range and they're great for hiking, yard work whatever. There seem to be some available for cheap still with the airforce tiger camo but they look kinda ugly in the pics.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/294227052404?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D1110006%26algo%3DHOMESPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20191002094254%26meid%3Df48f7723decd4a0b84b85b112c97ead1%26pid%3D101096%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D133821924072%26itm%3D294227052404%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2332490%26algv%3DDefaultOrganicWeb&_trksid=p2332490.c101096.m3021 |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 6:01:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The garments in OP’s post are not Gen 3 ECWCS items, they are a commercial copy of the old “Gen 2 ECWCS”/APECS garments. They’re a lot more rugged than the L6/Patagonia Torrentshell, but heavy and bulky. The best value/performance compromise commercial garments I’ve tried have been the Outdoor Research Foray jacket and pants. You can find them used in the $40/pc range. OP, if you want a L/R APECS parka in ABU tiger, you can have mine for the cost of shipping. Assuming that’s legal. I’m sure someone here can chime in on that. Do you know where the apecs fit into the military cold weather gear system? I've seen the older heavier ones but the ones I have seem to be recent manufacturer by Tennier and are similar light weight material to my gen3 lvl6. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 7:10:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The garments in OP’s post are not Gen 3 ECWCS items, they are a commercial copy of the old “Gen 2 ECWCS”/APECS garments. They’re a lot more rugged than the L6/Patagonia Torrentshell, but heavy and bulky. The best value/performance compromise commercial garments I’ve tried have been the Outdoor Research Foray jacket and pants. You can find them used in the $40/pc range. OP, if you want a L/R APECS parka in ABU tiger, you can have mine for the cost of shipping. Assuming that’s legal. I’m sure someone here can chime in on that. The only laws I could find apply to manufacture and commercial export, nothing illegal about sending your friend some clothing. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 2:34:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you. I'm from Astana, expo was in 2017. There are many pure nature places to see. But I think, you will not be very impressed if compare it to US national parks like Yosemite or Yellowstone. I dream to visit it once in the future. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He's make a Borat joke. Just ignore the stupid. Where ya from up there? I made it to Nursultan for the expo back in.. 2015 was it? And was in Almaty a bit in 2010. Really haven't seen much if the countryside at all. Thank you. I'm from Astana, expo was in 2017. There are many pure nature places to see. But I think, you will not be very impressed if compare it to US national parks like Yosemite or Yellowstone. I dream to visit it once in the future. 2017 would make sense. The years start to blur together when you get old. Do most of the locals still call it Astana? I don't recall discussing the renaming with anyone when I was there. I remember being very impressed with the traffic and taxi drivers... by far the most civilized driving I'd seen anywhere in Central Asia. The taxi driver who drove us in from the airport credited it to a serious enforcement effort and steep fines. I found that amusing as it clearly worked better than the U.S. backed "solution" in Georgia which was all focused on decreasing corruption in traffic enforcement by raising salaries and limiting opportunities to take bribes. All it led to was less traffic enforcement and worse driving. That was years ago, maybe they adjusted things a bit. As for the topic... those insulated tops and bottoms are probably the best part of the setup. If you can track those down, and then wear about any kind of loose water and windproof layer over them, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. It's a great enough outwear coat on its own. You just don't want to get it wet. But, in any weather where of can even feasibly rain, it's usually too warm to wear. But that steppe wind is famous for good reason. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 2:42:52 PM EST
[#47]
No can help OP, I am old, I was in the cotton and wool Army.
That fancy shit was just coming out to units when I got out. |
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Posted: 10/7/2021 4:18:08 PM EST
[#48]
Do you know my friend most venerated producer azamat bagatov ? He works with number 1 Kazakhstan TV journalist Borat Sagdiev!
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