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Posted: 11/7/2022 4:15:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3Trip: It’d be pretty fucking cool if he combines all his aspirations into one or more fair & uncensorable platforms hosted from space. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3Trip: Originally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise: Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: To begin with. Yep Now I think he sees a wrong that needed to be fixed. And he sees money... He also owns what has to be the fastest growing and soon to probably be largest isp... That will have its own worldwide transmission network. It’d be pretty fucking cool if he combines all his aspirations into one or more fair & uncensorable platforms hosted from space. Well they certainly wouldn’t have to worry about cooling. Now EM/radiation? Yeah. But not cooling. 
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Posted: 11/7/2022 4:23:11 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BLKVooDoo:  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/471670/Screenshot_20221106_174218-2590438.jpg
Her head is probably literally exploding... Imploding?? god.. couldn't have happened to more deserving person.. Dude is EPIC on an EPIC roll. |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 4:35:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By leib109: If true, that’s amazing. I'm gonna melt down if that's true!!.. Meltdown in FUGGIN' LAUGHTER! |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 4:38:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3Trip: It’d be pretty fucking cool if he combines all his aspirations into one or more fair & uncensorable platforms hosted from space. Being in space is even better than being in international waters, isn't it? 
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Posted: 11/7/2022 4:41:23 PM EST
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Posted: 11/7/2022 4:52:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spidey07: Well they certainly wouldn’t have to worry about cooling. Now EM/radiation? Yeah. But not cooling. Actually.... yes, yes they would. Getting rid of waste heat in space is a bitch. |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 4:56:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Third_Rail: Eh. Fuck it - he was already going to be called by congress for testimony. What's it matter? The man just wanted to read Babylon Bee and laugh. Twitter did this to themselves. He's the only man with MONEY.. TRUE money.. that ISNT apart of their cuck fuck asshole club, with likes of soros.. gates.. bezos.. they all align with this democraft leftist control the world bullshit cuz if you're 'in the club' kind of mentality.. So far at this point HE ISNT. He's fighting back with his best super power.. his money.. he's basically batman from that scene in justice league.. 'what's your power again?'.... 'I'm rich'.... |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 4:57:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By J_Von_Random: Actually.... yes, yes they would. Getting rid of waste heat in space is a bitch. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By J_Von_Random: Originally Posted By spidey07: Well they certainly wouldn’t have to worry about cooling. Now EM/radiation? Yeah. But not cooling. Actually.... yes, yes they would. Getting rid of waste heat in space is a bitch. Are you trying to say that vacuum is an insulator or something?  That's crazy talk!
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Posted: 11/7/2022 4:59:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Electricview: He's the only man with MONEY.. TRUE money.. that ISNT apart of their cuck fuck asshole club, with likes of soros.. gates.. bezos.. they all align with this democraft leftist control the world bullshit cuz if you're 'in the club' kind of mentality.. So far at this point HE ISNT. He's fighting back with his best super power.. his money.. he's basically batman from that scene in justice league.. 'what's your power again?'.... 'I'm rich'.... How did you get the house back from the bank? I bought the bank. |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 5:08:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ConcernedCitizen: Are you trying to say that vacuum is an insulator or something? That's crazy talk! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ConcernedCitizen: Originally Posted By J_Von_Random: Originally Posted By spidey07: Well they certainly wouldn’t have to worry about cooling. Now EM/radiation? Yeah. But not cooling. Actually.... yes, yes they would. Getting rid of waste heat in space is a bitch. Are you trying to say that vacuum is an insulator or something? That's crazy talk! Yep, cooling hot stuff in space takes some creative engineering |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 5:10:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoseCuervo: How did you get the house back from the bank? I bought the bank. Yes, EXACTLY. |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 5:12:15 PM EST
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Highly toxic ammonia is used on the ISS to radiate excess heat...
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Posted: 11/7/2022 5:13:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: Yep, cooling hot stuff in space takes some creative engineering Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: Originally Posted By ConcernedCitizen: Originally Posted By J_Von_Random: Originally Posted By spidey07: Well they certainly wouldn’t have to worry about cooling. Now EM/radiation? Yeah. But not cooling. Actually.... yes, yes they would. Getting rid of waste heat in space is a bitch. Are you trying to say that vacuum is an insulator or something? That's crazy talk! Yep, cooling hot stuff in space takes some creative engineering You need to pump all that excess heat into a laser, and shoot it at the sun!
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Posted: 11/7/2022 5:26:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar:  https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/07/21/64286347-11400039-image-a-32_1667855134629.jpg VIDEO I see it all over twitter but it honestly doesn’t matter. She is a vile human who does everything for attention. |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 5:33:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/07/21/64286347-11400039-image-a-32_1667855134629.jpg VIDEO 
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Posted: 11/7/2022 5:40:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: Yep, cooling hot stuff in space takes some creative engineering Everything he does is linked. |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 5:46:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise: probably will beam it to Mars or something for terra forming... Or invent a heat powered ion drive. Everything he does is linked. ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH THERMODYNAMICS DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY brb, going to get a new clipazine for my shoulder thing that goes up |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 5:50:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By J_Von_Random: Actually.... yes, yes they would. Getting rid of waste heat in space is a bitch. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By J_Von_Random: Originally Posted By spidey07: Well they certainly wouldn’t have to worry about cooling. Now EM/radiation? Yeah. But not cooling. Actually.... yes, yes they would. Getting rid of waste heat in space is a bitch. Hmm, I can see that. Minute thrust vectors. Now back to your regularly scheduled thread. |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 5:53:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ConcernedCitizen: You need to pump all that excess heat into a laser, and shoot it at the sun! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ConcernedCitizen: Originally Posted By t75fnaco3pwzhd: Originally Posted By ConcernedCitizen: Originally Posted By J_Von_Random: Originally Posted By spidey07: Well they certainly wouldn’t have to worry about cooling. Now EM/radiation? Yeah. But not cooling. Actually.... yes, yes they would. Getting rid of waste heat in space is a bitch. Are you trying to say that vacuum is an insulator or something? That's crazy talk! Yep, cooling hot stuff in space takes some creative engineering You need to pump all that excess heat into a laser, and shoot it at the sun! Actually, laser cooling is a thing. |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 5:58:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/07/21/64286347-11400039-image-a-32_1667855134629.jpg VIDEO 
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Posted: 11/7/2022 6:52:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise: And he sees money... He also owns what has to be the fastest growing and soon to probably be largest isp... That will have its own worldwide transmission network. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise: Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: To begin with. Yep Now I think he sees a wrong that needed to be fixed. And he sees money... He also owns what has to be the fastest growing and soon to probably be largest isp... That will have its own worldwide transmission network. It would be difficult to find the words that overstate how huge this is. |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 6:58:09 PM EST
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Twitter via Starlink and he can rule the world.
People don't have a clue the true reach he has established. We are all sitting here laughing at world class shitposting while he is six steps ahead of all of us. He is getting ready to hand Meta their ass. |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 6:59:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th:
ETA: Someone should remind Jack that facebook actually turns a profit. 64 billion is on hell of a drop in capital value... |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 7:13:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoseCuervo: I read that she is impersonating him again from her dead mother's account.  ETA https://www.foxnews.com/media/actors-journalists-offer-support-kathy-griffin-tweets-deceased-mothers-account-after-ban I bet her mom still votes by mail too. |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 8:01:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxLewis: 64 billion is on hell of a drop in capital value... That's like 1.4 twitters. |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 8:02:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bullet_: Check the voting records. I bet her mom still votes by mail too. You know someone is triggered when they are trashing their dead mother's account to bypass a ban. |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 8:05:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TacticalGarand44: It would be difficult to find the words that overstate how huge this is. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TacticalGarand44: Originally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise: Originally Posted By RattleCanAR: To begin with. Yep Now I think he sees a wrong that needed to be fixed. And he sees money... He also owns what has to be the fastest growing and soon to probably be largest isp... That will have its own worldwide transmission network. It would be difficult to find the words that overstate how huge this is. SpaceX- self explanatory, and Starship can be a game changer for space manufacturing and/or a space economy. Starlink - satellite internet that can function as it's own standalone internet. Tesla - AI, cars, robots, batteries, solar, mining Twitter/X.com - will evolve into an everything app that encompasses social media, journalism and micropayments, youtube/tiktok/patreon/twitch capability with monetization, onlyfans/pron, secure messaging/voice/video, zoom capabilities, along with his X.com vision of a massive financial institution that will handle things like payment processing, bank accounts, transfers, micropayments, crypto, stock trading. And being able to pipe TwitterX directly into Starlink will make a shitload of people worried and angry once they realize what he's doing. You're going to start seeing "anti-trust" and "too much power" tossed around by the same people in gov who never said a word about google. |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 8:11:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RattleCanAR: Twitter via Starlink and he can rule the world. People don't have a clue the true reach he has established. We are all sitting here laughing at world class shitposting while he is six steps ahead of all of us. He is getting ready to hand Meta their ass. Come on man, there is a whole line of GD accounts that are waaay ahead of Elon! Why doesn't he just listen to them??? |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 8:13:49 PM EST
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Just a thought about the blue check extortion racket:
Wonder if Elon has names, and he's holding that data close for purposes of future use...negotiations...whatever? Seems that would definitely land the participants in Club Fed, especially if taxes weren't paid. |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 8:16:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxLewis: 64 billion is on hell of a drop in capital value... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TxLewis: Originally Posted By Zam18th:
ETA: Someone should remind Jack that facebook actually turns a profit. 64 billion is on hell of a drop in capital value... You guys are missing the point. That's recent. Facebook has been profitable in the past but as far as I know Twitter has lost money every single year. As much as I absolutely hate FB, it's laughable for Jack to be using it as an insult because he wanted to name a feature "Birdwatch" rather than something that would give people a clue to it's purpose (or existence). Just another example of the gross mismanagement at that company. TLDR: Point is, he's the last person that should be throwing stones. |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 8:40:12 PM EST
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Posted: 11/7/2022 9:04:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/07/21/64286347-11400039-image-a-32_1667855134629.jpg VIDEO Whoopi uttering the words, "I'm getting off," is something I could have done entirely without hearing. 
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Posted: 11/7/2022 9:26:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Whoopi uttering the words, "I'm getting off," is something I could have done entirely without hearing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Originally Posted By realwar: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/11/07/21/64286347-11400039-image-a-32_1667855134629.jpg VIDEO Whoopi uttering the words, "I'm getting off," is something I could have done entirely without hearing.  |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 9:27:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Yup, people don't realize the magnitude of his plans yet. IMO, if things go right we're watching the construction of an empire. SpaceX- self explanatory, and Starship can be a game changer for space manufacturing and/or a space economy. Starlink - satellite internet that can function as it's own standalone internet. Tesla - AI, cars, robots, batteries, solar, mining Twitter/X.com - will evolve into an everything app that encompasses social media, journalism and micropayments, youtube/tiktok/patreon/twitch capability with monetization, onlyfans/pron, secure messaging/voice/video, zoom capabilities, along with his X.com vision of a massive financial institution that will handle things like payment processing, bank accounts, transfers, micropayments, crypto, stock trading. And being able to pipe TwitterX directly into Starlink will make a shitload of people worried and angry once they realize what he's doing. You're going to start seeing "anti-trust" and "too much power" tossed around by the same people in gov who never said a word about google. You forgot about the Boring company. Being able to non-disruptively dig and place underground connected structures/systems quickly is very huge. |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 9:28:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Ruck: Whoopi uttering the words, "I'm getting off," is something I could have done entirely without hearing. Maybe she can finally move to Canada like she said she would if Trump won |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 9:48:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Yup, people don't realize the magnitude of his plans yet. IMO, if things go right we're watching the construction of an empire. SpaceX- self explanatory, and Starship can be a game changer for space manufacturing and/or a space economy. Starlink - satellite internet that can function as it's own standalone internet. Tesla - AI, cars, robots, batteries, solar, mining Twitter/X.com - will evolve into an everything app that encompasses social media, journalism and micropayments, youtube/tiktok/patreon/twitch capability with monetization, onlyfans/pron, secure messaging/voice/video, zoom capabilities, along with his X.com vision of a massive financial institution that will handle things like payment processing, bank accounts, transfers, micropayments, crypto, stock trading. And being able to pipe TwitterX directly into Starlink will make a shitload of people worried and angry once they realize what he's doing. You're going to start seeing "anti-trust" and "too much power" tossed around by the same people in gov who never said a word about google. |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 9:50:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LatentUser: You forgot about the Boring company. Being able to non-disruptively dig and place underground connected structures/systems quickly is very huge. Well, you can't be a true Bond villain without a secret underground lair.
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Posted: 11/7/2022 9:52:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: Yup, people don't realize the magnitude of his plans yet. IMO, if things go right we're watching the construction of an empire. SpaceX- self explanatory, and Starship can be a game changer for space manufacturing and/or a space economy. Starlink - satellite internet that can function as it's own standalone internet. Tesla - AI, cars, robots, batteries, solar, mining Twitter/X.com - will evolve into an everything app that encompasses social media, journalism and micropayments, youtube/tiktok/patreon/twitch capability with monetization, onlyfans/pron, secure messaging/voice/video, zoom capabilities, along with his X.com vision of a massive financial institution that will handle things like payment processing, bank accounts, transfers, micropayments, crypto, stock trading. And being able to pipe TwitterX directly into Starlink will make a shitload of people worried and angry once they realize what he's doing. You're going to start seeing "anti-trust" and "too much power" tossed around by the same people in gov who never said a word about google. I imagine we'll be seeing the birth of a true augmented reality before too long. Cyberpunk, here we come!
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Posted: 11/7/2022 9:55:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By giantpune: To elon, twitter is the sunday morning paper. They fucked around and censored the rich billionaire's comic strip. Dude liked to laugh at the libsoftiktok and babylonbee. Those guys started spitting too much fire and the pronoun people at twitter banned the accounts. Elon bought the newspaper so he could get his funny pages back in it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By giantpune: Originally Posted By victorgonzales: Been thinking about why Elon did this when he has far so much on his plate I think he blames the lib culture for turning his kid trans. Decided to use some.of.his fuck you money to level the cultural playing field. It's certainly what I'd do in that scenario. Speaking against it will just get shut down by the machine. So buy the machine. To elon, twitter is the sunday morning paper. They fucked around and censored the rich billionaire's comic strip. Dude liked to laugh at the libsoftiktok and babylonbee. Those guys started spitting too much fire and the pronoun people at twitter banned the accounts. Elon bought the newspaper so he could get his funny pages back in it. Elon needs to see if he can run Dilbert on Twitter daily. I'd bet Scott Adams would go for it. |
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Posted: 11/7/2022 11:14:48 PM EST
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Posted: 11/8/2022 12:24:58 AM EST
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Posted: 11/8/2022 12:57:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScottyS: Come on man, there is a whole line of GD accounts that are waaay ahead of Elon! Why doesn't he just listen to them??? What i am waiting for is the full laser linked starlink which can actually offer lower latency than existing data lines especially in regards to global financial trade. There is a potential there with high frequency trading a la hummingbird project, coupled with the ai expertise at his fingertips elon could in theory dominate the financial markets of the world. |
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Posted: 11/8/2022 1:23:55 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Obo2: What i am waiting for is the full laser linked starlink which can actually offer lower latency than existing data lines especially in regards to global financial trade. There is a potential there with high frequency trading a la hummingbird project, coupled with the ai expertise at his fingertips elon could in theory dominate the financial markets of the world. Yes, that is exactly what Musk needs... Space lasers! He grows more villainy by the day! 
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Posted: 11/8/2022 1:29:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ConcernedCitizen: Yes, that is exactly what Musk needs... Space lasers! He grows more villainy by the day! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ConcernedCitizen: Originally Posted By Obo2: What i am waiting for is the full laser linked starlink which can actually offer lower latency than existing data lines especially in regards to global financial trade. There is a potential there with high frequency trading a la hummingbird project, coupled with the ai expertise at his fingertips elon could in theory dominate the financial markets of the world. Yes, that is exactly what Musk needs... Space lasers! He grows more villainy by the day! Honestly I'm less uncomfortable with the idea of his finger on the scales of the market than the shitshow we have currently. Stability would be novel at this point. I still wouldn't find it "comfortable" - just less uncomfortable. |
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Posted: 11/8/2022 1:39:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Third_Rail: Honestly I'm less uncomfortable with his finger on the scales of the market than the shitshow we have currently. Stability would be novel at this point. I still wouldn't find it "comfortable" - just less uncomfortable. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Third_Rail: Originally Posted By ConcernedCitizen: Originally Posted By Obo2: What i am waiting for is the full laser linked starlink which can actually offer lower latency than existing data lines especially in regards to global financial trade. There is a potential there with high frequency trading a la hummingbird project, coupled with the ai expertise at his fingertips elon could in theory dominate the financial markets of the world. Yes, that is exactly what Musk needs... Space lasers! He grows more villainy by the day! Honestly I'm less uncomfortable with his finger on the scales of the market than the shitshow we have currently. Stability would be novel at this point. I still wouldn't find it "comfortable" - just less uncomfortable. Personally, I support the guy wholeheartedly. Even before this Twitter fiasco, he's the only person in the world that seems to have the future of humanity in mind. The other billionaires are only worried about their own futures. We lost a good 50 years of potential space exploration and colonization due to government ineptness and corruption, but he's made up for it in leaps and bounds over the last decade. I have full faith that he will continue pushing for space stations, Lunar colonies, and eventually Mars colonies. With his Boring Company, he's probably already considering mining the moon, asteroids, and Mars. With a more advanced AI, he could even do it all with autonomous machines, rather than risking human lives. I know a lot of this is wishful thinking on my part, but being a sci-fi junkie at heart, I can't help but hope that he will be the one to finally get us off this rock and spark a new era of pioneering and exploration. NASA certainly isn't up to the task. 
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Posted: 11/8/2022 5:34:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fxntime: Elon needs to see if he can run Dilbert on Twitter daily. I'd bet Scott Adams would go for it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fxntime: Originally Posted By giantpune: Originally Posted By victorgonzales: Been thinking about why Elon did this when he has far so much on his plate I think he blames the lib culture for turning his kid trans. Decided to use some.of.his fuck you money to level the cultural playing field. It's certainly what I'd do in that scenario. Speaking against it will just get shut down by the machine. So buy the machine. To elon, twitter is the sunday morning paper. They fucked around and censored the rich billionaire's comic strip. Dude liked to laugh at the libsoftiktok and babylonbee. Those guys started spitting too much fire and the pronoun people at twitter banned the accounts. Elon bought the newspaper so he could get his funny pages back in it. Elon needs to see if he can run Dilbert on Twitter daily. I'd bet Scott Adams would go for it. Well, he won't have a high maintenance to deal with anymore, so for sure he'll have more free doodle time. 
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Posted: 11/8/2022 6:46:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fxntime: I'd bet Scott Adams would go for it. |
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Posted: 11/8/2022 7:26:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ConcernedCitizen: Yes, that is exactly what Musk needs... Space lasers! He grows more villainy by the day! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ConcernedCitizen: Originally Posted By Obo2: What i am waiting for is the full laser linked starlink which can actually offer lower latency than existing data lines especially in regards to global financial trade. There is a potential there with high frequency trading a la hummingbird project, coupled with the ai expertise at his fingertips elon could in theory dominate the financial markets of the world. Yes, that is exactly what Musk needs... Space lasers! He grows more villainy by the day! He already has operational space lasers. |
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Posted: 11/8/2022 11:55:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shenanigunz: But since they're not verifying identities any more to get that precious blue check how will Twitter know who is real or not? Or is someone just upset that so many people changed their name to elon musk to make fun of him?  Free speech indeed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shenanigunz: Originally Posted By Chokey:
But since they're not verifying identities any more to get that precious blue check how will Twitter know who is real or not? Or is someone just upset that so many people changed their name to elon musk to make fun of him? Free speech indeed. You don't see how they might have figured out that she wasn't really Musk and in violation? Or maybe you are just doing your usual contrarian trolling? |
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