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Posted: 2/7/2018 12:02:12 AM EDT
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Ok, thanks. I had a brief glance at what Kratom can be used for and at least one use is to treat issues of addiction. Same as Suboxone (someone very close to me). Is there any reason to find it suspicious? |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 12:03:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well by all means, cast the first stone. |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 12:04:07 AM EDT
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Suboxone and Kratom are trading one addiction for another. In the case of Suboxone, it's a safer addiction in the sense that you're not going by your drug dealer and buying an unvetted product cut with god knows what. You also (in theory) have a doctor helping you taper down and quit. Kratom at least took the drug dealer part out of it, but there's still the unknown property of what's in the plant. Might be fine, might not be. I bet it's a money grab though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ok, thanks. I had a brief glance at what Kratom can be used for and at least one use is to treat issues of addiction. Same as Suboxone (someone very close to me). Is there any reason to find it suspicious? |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 12:04:22 AM EDT
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Their data point to ban a plant is 44 cases, WOW! They could literally find 44 deaths cased by damn near anything. 
Some politician in MD is trying to make contact sports illegal before high school... |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 12:14:38 AM EDT
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Suspect research is suspect and most likely junk- follow the money. This is actually a pretty good article on CNN.
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Posted: 2/7/2018 12:29:47 AM EDT
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In before the Kratom neckbeards
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Posted: 2/7/2018 1:15:54 AM EDT
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That's some bullshit
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Posted: 2/7/2018 1:20:05 AM EDT
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It’s potentially troublesome for the profitable drug company standards. Let’s disregard what Americans want and act upon the drug companies fears. Fuck the .gov for putting profit ahead of people yet again. I hate this shit.
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Posted: 2/7/2018 1:38:54 AM EDT
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Well by all means, cast the first stone. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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why cant people just stop taking mind altering substances? ... o wait, thats right, people are weak |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 1:48:11 AM EDT
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Whew. Thank goodness they solved that problem.
For a second there I thought Kratom was going to break the bonds of every molecule in my body. But then government came in and saved me. Thanks government. 
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Posted: 2/7/2018 1:53:02 AM EDT
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Apparently you can sell classified information off of a bathroom server while your rapist husband gives speeches to despots for millions in kickback but it's illegal to drink tea.
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Posted: 2/7/2018 1:55:07 AM EDT
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They should ban enkephalins next. They’re an opioid and they’re already available to EVERYBODY!
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Posted: 2/7/2018 1:56:21 AM EDT
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All I'm saying is that we should be bringing in khat
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Posted: 2/7/2018 1:59:32 AM EDT
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The FDA is incompatible with liberty and needs to be abolished.
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Posted: 2/7/2018 2:02:01 AM EDT
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In before OP learns that cocaine & heroin come from plants. |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 2:07:36 AM EDT
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Kratom vs Krokodil
Wheeeeee for the druggies. |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 2:08:50 AM EDT
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Quoted:I hear he throws like a girl.
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Posted: 2/7/2018 2:09:21 AM EDT
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Cocaine and Heroin come from plants in the same way that Everclear comes from plants. After a bunch of processing, extraction, distillation, isolating, and chemical reactions in a lab. Outlawing all the bad personal choices is not "freedom." |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 8:21:19 AM EDT
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Their data point to ban a plant is 44 cases, WOW! They could literally find 44 deaths cased by damn near anything. |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 8:29:24 AM EDT
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How many deaths can be "linked" to aspirin and Tylenol?
Or prescription drugs that have only been taken as directed? The government should find better things to do with their time than ban herbal remedies. |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 8:29:24 AM EDT
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If it can't be patented, it will be criminalized.
I have no interest in using it, but you should have the right to make that decision for yourself. |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 8:32:26 AM EDT
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well there's always Jenkum :)
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=jenkum |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 9:14:11 AM EDT
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junkies will have no choice now but to buy heroin from dark alleys, thanks FDA
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Posted: 2/7/2018 9:17:30 AM EDT
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So it's an Essentially oil?
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Posted: 2/7/2018 9:22:39 AM EDT
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why cant people just stop taking mind altering substances? ... o wait, thats right, people are weak. Gotta be some kind of "weakness" I think, some kind of mental thing. I wonder if kratom would fix that? |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 9:23:18 AM EDT
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Kinda like the devil's lettuce is a schedule 1 drug, the same as heroin and more worse than coke? Can't recall offhand if there are limited medical uses of cocaine or not. Fentanyl is dangerous as shit, apparently, but my wife was on a fentanyl drip when she was in labor. Dangerous as all fuck, but accepted medical use? Not schedule 1. |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 9:25:43 AM EDT
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If memory serves, that's because FDA and NIMH declared that there is no accepted medical use, which is what schedule 1 is defined by--not potency or danger. Can't recall offhand if there are limited medical uses of cocaine or not. Fentanyl is dangerous as shit, apparently, but my wife was on a fentanyl drip when she was in labor. Dangerous as all fuck, but accepted medical use? Not schedule 1. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Kinda like the devil's lettuce is a schedule 1 drug, the same as heroin and more worse than coke? Can't recall offhand if there are limited medical uses of cocaine or not. Fentanyl is dangerous as shit, apparently, but my wife was on a fentanyl drip when she was in labor. Dangerous as all fuck, but accepted medical use? Not schedule 1. |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 9:29:02 AM EDT
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I’m going to go way out on a limb here and guess the scientific research involved in this study was funded by big pharma. They are not really a big fan of competition. Especially unregulated competition.  |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 9:31:54 AM EDT
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Cannabis is on same page as Heroin, how the fuck did people think kratom would fly?
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Posted: 2/7/2018 9:34:35 AM EDT
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Must be some $$ going around with some lobbyists working OT. Big pharma does not like substances that occur naturally being legal as they can't make money off of it. |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 9:48:23 AM EDT
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Kratom is an opioid and opioids are dangerous and useless medically. Except our opioids, those are the good ones that everyone can take.
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Posted: 2/7/2018 9:51:28 AM EDT
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Thank god republicans believe in small government......
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Posted: 2/7/2018 9:58:07 AM EDT
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They are going after it because the pharm companies wan't you to buy their shit to ween off dope. There is no other reason.
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Posted: 2/7/2018 10:04:13 AM EDT
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The pharmaceutical lobby is strong. |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 10:17:42 AM EDT
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Kinda like the devil's lettuce is a schedule 1 drug, the same as heroin and more worse than coke? Basically, marijuana = carfentanil in terms of "naughty". 
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Posted: 2/7/2018 10:26:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There were 650 murders in Chicago in 2017. I’m sure the smoking and alcohol related deaths are greater than 44 in the time period the fda reviewed for kratom. I would really like to find out more about the fda review process and where they get their data from and the push to regulate this. I suspect a well placed foia could find out some answers @rogueboss |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 10:29:11 AM EDT
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I'm not a huge fan of Kratom, but that's a bullshit decision.
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Posted: 2/7/2018 10:48:44 AM EDT
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If memory serves, that's because FDA and NIMH declared that there is no accepted medical use, which is what schedule 1 is defined by--not potency or danger. Can't recall offhand if there are limited medical uses of cocaine or not. Fentanyl is dangerous as shit, apparently, but my wife was on a fentanyl drip when she was in labor. Dangerous as all fuck, but accepted medical use? Not schedule 1. |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 10:58:47 AM EDT
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Like Suboxone, correct? Hmm... ETA: Suboxone vs Kratom? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was under the impression that opioids were opium derived drugs, like opium from the poppy plant. Kratom is not even remotely related to the poppy plant. But now it's "deemed" an opioid? How does that work? Guess I'll have to go do some google chemistry. So kratom is supposed to create an opioid-like reaction and break down into morphine ...hmmm. Suspicious chemistry is suspicious. Hmm... ETA: Suboxone vs Kratom? |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 11:06:14 AM EDT
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I was under the impression that opioids were opium derived drugs, like opium from the poppy plant. Ricin is just a plant. Heroin is just a plant. Cocaine is just a plant. HFCS is just a plant. The idea that plant based products are inherently safe is a big reason people hate on drug enthusiast. |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 12:07:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. "just a plant" Ricin is just a plant. Heroin is just a plant. Cocaine is just a plant. HFCS is just a plant. The idea that plant based products are inherently safe is a big reason people hate on drug enthusiast. |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 1:20:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There were 650 murders in Chicago in 2017. I’m sure the smoking and alcohol related deaths are greater than 44 in the time period the fda reviewed for kratom. I would really like to find out more about the fda review process and where they get their data from and the push to regulate this. I suspect a well placed foia could find out some answers @rogueboss |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 1:20:56 PM EDT
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Yep. "just a plant" Ricin is just a plant. Heroin is just a plant. Cocaine is just a plant. HFCS is just a plant. The idea that plant based products are inherently safe is a big reason people hate on drug enthusiast. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was under the impression that opioids were opium derived drugs, like opium from the poppy plant. Ricin is just a plant. Heroin is just a plant. Cocaine is just a plant. HFCS is just a plant. The idea that plant based products are inherently safe is a big reason people hate on drug enthusiast. |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 1:31:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's true. Whenever someone goes on about how it's "safe because it's a plant," I direct them to Socrates. |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 2:57:16 PM EDT
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I wasn't saying it's safe I was just pointing out regulations are bullshit. Let the FDA or whatever org study and make recommendations for unsafe substances and then it's up to the individual whether to consume it. |
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Posted: 2/7/2018 3:01:41 PM EDT
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“A new study suggests that we can get you to believe anything, as long as we say it’s part of a new study.”
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Posted: 2/7/2018 3:05:08 PM EDT
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Think of the children you guys. We can't have kratom needles all over the playground!
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Posted: 2/7/2018 3:06:32 PM EDT
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Bull-fucking-shit.
I had to run and grab some, since you know, the gov says that soon I can't have it. DEA website doesn't list it as scheduled yet, so I am safe now (might be a felon tomorrow though!). Local smoke shop had some, (like tobacco, not a head shop). I tried a few of each about 5 mins ago. Let's see if I turn into a heroin addict by nightfall. If it "fucks me up" I'll be sure to report to Arfcom: 
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Posted: 2/7/2018 3:58:15 PM EDT
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Bull-fucking-shit. I had to run and grab some, since you know, the gov says that soon I can't have it. DEA website doesn't list it as scheduled yet, so I am safe now (might be a felon tomorrow though!). Local smoke shop had some, (like tobacco, not a head shop). I tried a few of each about 5 mins ago. Let's see if I turn into a heroin addict by nightfall. If it "fucks me up" I'll be sure to report to Arfcom: http://i64.tinypic.com/eah4hy.jpg 
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Posted: 2/7/2018 4:20:03 PM EDT
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RIP @PeteCO
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