Federal Court Strikes Down NFA Registration on "untaxed" firearms (Page 112 of 195)
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Originally Posted By lorazepam: Half is retards that don't read fucking shit and demand an answer that is on every other page, a quarter is dick measuring contests over why an 80 dollar suppressor in the uk is 300 dollars here, and a quarter is people wading through the bullshit looking for actual news. Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By boolzi: This thread is actually better than the injunction. Kinda a little slice of arfcom entertainment. Half is retards that don't read fucking shit and demand an answer that is on every other page, a quarter is dick measuring contests over why an 80 dollar suppressor in the uk is 300 dollars here, and a quarter is people wading through the bullshit looking for actual news. Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to?  Fucking nailed it. |
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Originally Posted By trails-end: So, you told them to fuck off? I think thats a fairly normal reaction to receiving letters on CA DOJ letterhead when you're just getting into ebr's in your 20's. I took it back to the store and swapped it out for one of those 16" sks-para models (with the fixed magazine). I complied 100%. 30+ years later, I still wish I'd have just tossed those letters in the trash without opening them. Not much I can do about that now. All I can currently do is spend money at stores with FFLs that are selling suppressors on a 4473 + LTC + GOA. Communicate to them how important it is what they are doing. Where am I wrong on this? |
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Originally Posted By Dolomite: No. I freaked out. I think thats a fairly normal reaction to receiving letters on CA DOJ letterhead when you're just getting into ebr's in your 20's. I took it back to the store and swapped it out for one of those 16" sks-para models (with the fixed magazine). I complied 100%. 30+ years later, I still wish I'd have just tossed those letters in the trash without opening them. Not much I can do about that now. All I can currently do is spend money at stores with FFLs that are selling suppressors on a 4473 + LTC + GOA. Communicate to them how important it is what they are doing. Where am I wrong on this? You aren't wrong at all. I'm also not wrong for buying a can from my local guy who isn't yet selling on a 4473, plus supporting ASA, GOA, etc. We're waaaay to hung up on the "no true Scotsman" fallacy in the gun community. |
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My last Form 4 transfer from individual to trust was just approved this morning so they're still processing forms. I joined GOA and PFCAF, however, I really have no other NFA items I'm interested in right now so I'll just sit back and see how the rest of this plays out. Maybe if I get bored I'll print a 22LR can or something just to mess with it but we'll see. |
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Originally Posted By ParityError: This is a greatly oversimplified view. Like it or not, the ATF still holds enormous power over an FFL. And it is up to each FFL to decide whether they want to roll the dice and deliver cans on a 4473 or not. A few are taking the risk, and I applaud them. But I'm absolutely not going to condemn anyone for awaiting written direction. Just one example of the issues FFLs are considering - every firearm that comes into the dealer goes into their inventory. When it leaves their inventory, there is a entry in the "disposition" field that shows where the firearm went. For a sale, it is usually the data, name of purchaser, the purchaser's ID info, and the NTN number of the NICS return. For a title II firearm (SBR, Suppressor, etc.) it includes the Form 4 information. So, how does an FFL record the disposition of a suppressor on a 4473? Do they put the ID info and NTN in place of the Form 4 information? Nobody knows. What happens when the disposition is recorded incorrectly? 27 CFR 479, et seq, spells it out: For errors without intent: - $1,000 per erroneous entry, up to $250,000 for systemic errors - License suspension of revocation For intentional improper disposition: - Up to 5 years in prison. So, pretending this is a simple issue is really not accurate. The FFLs have to decide for themselves how to proceed and what they are willing to risk. And they have a whole lot more on the line than the purchaser does. Originally Posted By ParityError: Originally Posted By ShooterPatriot: Instructions from the powers that be. Official Instructions have already been published by the powers that be. We dont have to wait for the losers to comment on them. This is a greatly oversimplified view. Like it or not, the ATF still holds enormous power over an FFL. And it is up to each FFL to decide whether they want to roll the dice and deliver cans on a 4473 or not. A few are taking the risk, and I applaud them. But I'm absolutely not going to condemn anyone for awaiting written direction. Just one example of the issues FFLs are considering - every firearm that comes into the dealer goes into their inventory. When it leaves their inventory, there is a entry in the "disposition" field that shows where the firearm went. For a sale, it is usually the data, name of purchaser, the purchaser's ID info, and the NTN number of the NICS return. For a title II firearm (SBR, Suppressor, etc.) it includes the Form 4 information. So, how does an FFL record the disposition of a suppressor on a 4473? Do they put the ID info and NTN in place of the Form 4 information? Nobody knows. What happens when the disposition is recorded incorrectly? 27 CFR 479, et seq, spells it out: For errors without intent: - $1,000 per erroneous entry, up to $250,000 for systemic errors - License suspension of revocation For intentional improper disposition: - Up to 5 years in prison. So, pretending this is a simple issue is really not accurate. The FFLs have to decide for themselves how to proceed and what they are willing to risk. And they have a whole lot more on the line than the purchaser does. Yep. And I think a lot of people are glossing over the detail that 90%+ of FFLs, as businesses, are NOT covered members, and this almost certainly includes some percentage of shops already doing these transfers. |
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Originally Posted By Cypher214: Funny you bring that up. How many Ruby Ridges have occurred over Glock switches? A shitload of people are rolling around cities with machine guns and there's no task force hunting them down. What does that tell you about the big bad ATF that you're so afraid of? Originally Posted By Cypher214: Originally Posted By KELBEAST: Originally Posted By Dolomite: Yes. That's correct. I hold people "not waiting" in a higher regard as to their stance towards the 2A. That is the essence of that particular post. The whole, flowery "tier 1 operator" stuff, is your projection. I've already been through the entire 10 years of AWB, this little bump in the road ain't shit. I could wait, for a "Monday meeting" that may never occur, or I could go and spend my money at an ffl with some balls. I hope the $1,000 I dropped at Top Gun Range, the words of gratitude and encoragement I spoke to the people that work there - I hope it sticks. My fervant wish is that this scenario is repeated by my fellow gun owners over & over again, and soon. GD: please correct me if I am wrong. What's your thoughts on gang bangers with Glock switches? They're living free-er than us right now A shitload of people are rolling around cities with machine guns and there's no task force hunting them down. What does that tell you about the big bad ATF that you're so afraid of? Are you suggesting that selective enforcement isn't a longstanding problem? |
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Originally Posted By Firestarter123: My last Form 4 transfer from individual to trust was just approved this morning so they're still processing forms. I joined GOA and PFCAF, however, I really have no other NFA items I'm interested in right now so I'll just sit back and see how the rest of this plays out. Maybe if I get bored I'll print a 22LR can or something just to mess with it but we'll see. I've just finished dealing with a bunch of medical shit that has moved shooting stuff back to the back burner since the end of last year. That stuff is happily over, so I just bought a .22 / 5.7 can. I'm waiting for 9/1 to order a 9mm or .45 can (haven't decided which) since Florida's tax holiday. on outdoor stuff (including cans this year) starts then. Then I'll donate the 7% i would have paid on the can to GOA. Win / win / win for the win. |
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Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: Are you suggesting that selective enforcement isn't a longstanding problem? Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: Originally Posted By Cypher214: Originally Posted By KELBEAST: Originally Posted By Dolomite: Yes. That's correct. I hold people "not waiting" in a higher regard as to their stance towards the 2A. That is the essence of that particular post. The whole, flowery "tier 1 operator" stuff, is your projection. I've already been through the entire 10 years of AWB, this little bump in the road ain't shit. I could wait, for a "Monday meeting" that may never occur, or I could go and spend my money at an ffl with some balls. I hope the $1,000 I dropped at Top Gun Range, the words of gratitude and encoragement I spoke to the people that work there - I hope it sticks. My fervant wish is that this scenario is repeated by my fellow gun owners over & over again, and soon. GD: please correct me if I am wrong. What's your thoughts on gang bangers with Glock switches? They're living free-er than us right now A shitload of people are rolling around cities with machine guns and there's no task force hunting them down. What does that tell you about the big bad ATF that you're so afraid of? Are you suggesting that selective enforcement isn't a longstanding problem? Enforcement is a longstanding problem. What many have failed to identify, is that for all practical purposes of you and I it is a constant. As I've explained before, no one is giving up the dental plan if the NFA gets nixed. You're asking for a level of safety that will never exist. If ATF can't get you for a NFA violation, they will get you for something, or accuse you long enough that they'll put you in prison and bankrupt you and disturb your banking and income sources to the point it makes not much difference. Of course they have to be incentivized to do this -- they did it to Kettler as fodder for a test case between Kansas and the USA, and they did it for Weaver to investigate white nationalists, in neither case did they actually give much of a shit about the convicted individual or that singular NFA violation. Dugan Ashley is sitting in jail right now for NFA and commercial explosives violations he didn't even commit, they literally made up a new interpretation of the law and then applied it (you cannot be "in the business" of non-commercial personal use). If enforcement safety is what you want, just hang it up and forget about it. Won't happen. After NFA ATF is just moving onto the next excuse to get their kicks sending dogs to heaven. The truth is what the injunction provides is cover and legitimacy for middle class normies, the analog of the legitimacy gang bangers get to do it too when their friends post switches on tick tok. Not safety that will never exist. |
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Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: Are you suggesting that selective enforcement isn't a longstanding problem? Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: Originally Posted By Cypher214: Originally Posted By KELBEAST: Originally Posted By Dolomite: Yes. That's correct. I hold people "not waiting" in a higher regard as to their stance towards the 2A. That is the essence of that particular post. The whole, flowery "tier 1 operator" stuff, is your projection. I've already been through the entire 10 years of AWB, this little bump in the road ain't shit. I could wait, for a "Monday meeting" that may never occur, or I could go and spend my money at an ffl with some balls. I hope the $1,000 I dropped at Top Gun Range, the words of gratitude and encoragement I spoke to the people that work there - I hope it sticks. My fervant wish is that this scenario is repeated by my fellow gun owners over & over again, and soon. GD: please correct me if I am wrong. What's your thoughts on gang bangers with Glock switches? They're living free-er than us right now A shitload of people are rolling around cities with machine guns and there's no task force hunting them down. What does that tell you about the big bad ATF that you're so afraid of? Are you suggesting that selective enforcement isn't a longstanding problem? Selective enforcement is a big problem. But, we also have to remember that we are the low-hanging fruit when it comes to enforcement. There's no Form 2 / Form 3 / Form 4 / 4473 trail for a Glock switch. The switches aren't serialized, and there is no paperwork. There are some ATF agents going after and making cases on switches. The ATF Tampa office newsletter usually mentions one or two a month. But that takes work. Tracing down a serialized can takes a few minutes on a computer in the air conditioning. Hence, the low hanging fruit. |
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Originally Posted By Kobolowsky_Tires: pUHlease! Local LE doesn't, CAN'T enforce federal law. They're not empowered to. They enforce STATE law. What they can (and will) do is call the feds. I wouldn't have, personally, but the brass above me sure as hell would. Especially the chief. He had no idea how things work in this part of the country. |
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Originally Posted By CZRider: You mean 1:00 right? It was 12 central tome IIRC Originally Posted By CZRider: Originally Posted By Cypher214: Some of us aren't blowhards but I'll refrain from making yet another post about what I did at 12:00:01 on Thursday. You mean 1:00 right? It was 12 central tome IIRC Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Cypher214: When did we decide donation amounts are the metric? Nobody's ass is on the line over a GOA donation. Again, some of us are doing what we're legally allowed to do and others are sitting on the sidelines waiting for the dust to settle. There a lots and lots of metrics within the 2A community. Somewhere out there in the Internet world is a guy who thinks if the can you buy isn't painted flat dark earth, you're a pussy because your pedestrian black can blends in. We collectively elevate No True Scotsman to an art form. |
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These videos are absolute nonsense at the moment. YouTubers going for clicks aren't any more knowledgeable than the rest of us and I don't care what sort of "credentials" they have. |
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Originally Posted By ParityError: Selective enforcement is a big problem. But, we also have to remember that we are the low-hanging fruit when it comes to enforcement. There's no Form 2 / Form 3 / Form 4 / 4473 trail for a Glock switch. The switches aren't serialized, and there is no paperwork. There are some ATF agents going after and making cases on switches. The ATF Tampa office newsletter usually mentions one or two a month. But that takes work. Tracing down a serialized can takes a few minutes on a computer in the air conditioning. Hence, the low hanging fruit. Originally Posted By ParityError: Originally Posted By GenYRevolverGuy: Originally Posted By Cypher214: Originally Posted By KELBEAST: Originally Posted By Dolomite: Yes. That's correct. I hold people "not waiting" in a higher regard as to their stance towards the 2A. That is the essence of that particular post. The whole, flowery "tier 1 operator" stuff, is your projection. I've already been through the entire 10 years of AWB, this little bump in the road ain't shit. I could wait, for a "Monday meeting" that may never occur, or I could go and spend my money at an ffl with some balls. I hope the $1,000 I dropped at Top Gun Range, the words of gratitude and encoragement I spoke to the people that work there - I hope it sticks. My fervant wish is that this scenario is repeated by my fellow gun owners over & over again, and soon. GD: please correct me if I am wrong. What's your thoughts on gang bangers with Glock switches? They're living free-er than us right now A shitload of people are rolling around cities with machine guns and there's no task force hunting them down. What does that tell you about the big bad ATF that you're so afraid of? Are you suggesting that selective enforcement isn't a longstanding problem? Selective enforcement is a big problem. But, we also have to remember that we are the low-hanging fruit when it comes to enforcement. There's no Form 2 / Form 3 / Form 4 / 4473 trail for a Glock switch. The switches aren't serialized, and there is no paperwork. There are some ATF agents going after and making cases on switches. The ATF Tampa office newsletter usually mentions one or two a month. But that takes work. Tracing down a serialized can takes a few minutes on a computer in the air conditioning. Hence, the low hanging fruit. It's easier AND safer AND doesn't have DEI pushback. It's not just the paper trail. The middle aged white dude has a mortgage, a full time job, and a vehicle with current registration in his name. The ATF can easily find out where he will be and when he will be there, and they can be reasonably sure it'll be a routine arrest without resistance. |
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: How many planes did we crank out in WWII? We can if demand is there This comment was directed to the poster that said if he was machining suppressors they would be several thousand dollars each because he made aircraft parts. |
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Originally Posted By Cypher214: Yes, I was referring to central time. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/4019/IMG_9074_jpeg-3812793.JPG You should drive down to Ocala with that .46. 
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Originally Posted By Cypher214: Yes, I was referring to central time. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/4019/IMG_9074_jpeg-3812793.JPG I see you are actually selling cans with just the 4473. How far are you from Citrus County? |
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Originally Posted By Cypher214: Well that incident was certainly effective at scaring the shit out of the gun owning community. A single case from 34 years ago is what all the cowards hang their hat on to justify their fear. It's pathetic. People have been raided and some have died due to something as simple as a wrong address. Do you worry about that too? They also burned a bunch of kids to death in texas. |
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Originally Posted By Cypher214: Funny you bring that up. How many Ruby Ridges have occurred over Glock switches? A shitload of people are rolling around cities with machine guns and there's no task force hunting them down. What does that tell you about the big bad ATF that you're so afraid of? It would not surprise me if the feds were supplying the switches to the hood rats to try and implement more gun control. |
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Originally Posted By lorazepam: This is just a guess, but maybe they would enforce the state law if they choose to do so? Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By trails-end: What if state law says the item has to be registered with NFA? This is just a guess, but maybe they would enforce the state law if they choose to do so? @lorazepam In Fl it is a 2nd degree felony to possess an SBR unless it is federally legal for you to own that item. If I keep my GOA card with me, and I get stopped, am I then going to be arrested for having an SBR in Florida since federal law no longer shields me? Asking for shits'ngiggles |
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Just have to love all these internet warriors wanting a FFL to go pout on a limb for them on. Risking their business, Family, and want them to possibly be imprisoned for you. I know full well that all these so called warriors will fold at the of the ATF on their knees. If actually confronted with the threat of losing all in their lives as they know it. They would turn on other people even to regain their lives back from the ATF. Yes there may be a few that would actually fight back. Maybe ones with lives so pathetic that they are loners and have nothing to lose anyway. I assure you 99 .9 percent of the warriors are all BS talk and would do anything once confronted, except beg for forgiveness, and go back to their homes and Family's. Friend has a Gun Shop and no he would never risk his lively hood for your urge to get a Suppressor just for the simple fact of it has no paperwork, until this is all straightened out. . If you do not want paper work, then just roll your own. Great if this all works out for some. But I am afraid for most. The free stamps are going to remain the best option in the end. Until we actually get Legislative repeal of the NFA. Nothing is going to change at the ATF. |
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Originally Posted By Aimless: ATF called Idaho gun shop and told them to not transfer silencers on 4473 https://www.instagram.com/reel/DcEHJx0BWHP/?igsh=MXR1d2VwNXQ2bW9rYQ== That gun shop needs to hire a lawyer who is licensed in Texas to file a show cause against that ATF agent and seek contempt sanctions. |
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Originally Posted By PortaJohnPicasso: If you get to make up a metric out of thin air, I can do it as well.  See how that works? i suggest both of you stand down before you are no longer posting in this thread @PortaJohnPicasso @ Cypher214 |
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Originally Posted By carbineone1964: Just have to love all these internet warriors wanting a FFL to go pout on a limb for them on. Risking their business, Family, and want them to possibly be imprisoned for you. I know full well that all these so called warriors will fold at the of the ATF on their knees. If actually confronted with the threat of losing all in their lives as they know it. They would turn on other people even to regain their lives back from the ATF. Yes there may be a few that would actually fight back. Maybe ones with lives so pathetic that they are loners and have nothing to lose anyway. I assure you 99 .9 percent of the warriors are all BS talk and would do anything once confronted, except beg for forgiveness, and go back to their homes and Family's. Friend has a Gun Shop and no he would never risk his lively hood for your urge to get a Suppressor just for the simple fact of it has no paperwork, until this is all straightened out. . If you do not want paper work, then just roll your own. Great if this all works out for some. But I am afraid for most. The free stamps are going to remain the best option in the end. Until we actually get Legislative repeal of the NFA. Nothing is going to change at the ATF. What you are missing is that it already has been "straightened out." There is a very clear and well reasoned order from a federal judge. He is the authority here, not some simp on the ATF payroll. |
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Originally Posted By RunsonCLP: @lorazepam In Fl it is a 2nd degree felony to possess an SBR unless it is federally legal for you to own that item. If I keep my GOA card with me, and I get stopped, am I then going to be arrested for having an SBR in Florida since federal law no longer shields me? Asking for shits'ngiggles I think it would depend on the cop who stops you. |
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Originally Posted By MikeDeltaFoxtrot: What you are missing is that it already has been "straightened out." There is a very clear and well reasoned order from a federal judge. He is the authority here, not some simp on the ATF payroll. Originally Posted By MikeDeltaFoxtrot: Originally Posted By carbineone1964: Just have to love all these internet warriors wanting a FFL to go pout on a limb for them on. Risking their business, Family, and want them to possibly be imprisoned for you. I know full well that all these so called warriors will fold at the of the ATF on their knees. If actually confronted with the threat of losing all in their lives as they know it. They would turn on other people even to regain their lives back from the ATF. Yes there may be a few that would actually fight back. Maybe ones with lives so pathetic that they are loners and have nothing to lose anyway. I assure you 99 .9 percent of the warriors are all BS talk and would do anything once confronted, except beg for forgiveness, and go back to their homes and Family's. Friend has a Gun Shop and no he would never risk his lively hood for your urge to get a Suppressor just for the simple fact of it has no paperwork, until this is all straightened out. . If you do not want paper work, then just roll your own. Great if this all works out for some. But I am afraid for most. The free stamps are going to remain the best option in the end. Until we actually get Legislative repeal of the NFA. Nothing is going to change at the ATF. What you are missing is that it already has been "straightened out." There is a very clear and well reasoned order from a federal judge. He is the authority here, not some simp on the ATF payroll. MDF, do you have any comment on how legally "binding" the guidance would be anyway? Suppose the ATF came out and said "yes we give you (superfluous and redundant) permission to do the things the judge gave you permission to do." How is that any more binding than the beat cop promising the strung out meth-head that "the judge will take it easy on him" if he only shows him the hidden crack pipe and gives up his dealer? The ATF is allowed to lie, in order to actually capture what they say in a binding way IIRC they must publish it in the federal register, allow comments, and then implement it in accordance with regulatory procedures. It would seem getting "guidance" is essentially useless since it's only as good as the claims of sadistic, schitzophrenic opportunistic liars that aren't bound to anything but saying whatever is useful to get their next conviction. They can just as easily turn around and say "whoops, that was the erroneous opinion of a rogue employee and we now think you should all go to jail." |
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Just heard back from IOI: "Please send questions to [email protected]" Lol This guy is the one who issued my license back in 2019 and later audited me a few years back. He has always given me the impression that he hates .gov /ATF but is just riding til retirement. |
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"UNPRECEDENTED SUPPRESSOR SALES: The NSSF reported that over 850,000 applications were submitted between January and May of 2026." So, roughly, 1/1/26 thru 5/31/26, about 6,000 a day? How many Form NONE whisper pickles since last Thursday? 24,000? LoL - no. Probably a whole lot more than that. |
| I am not real clear where I stand as far as buying one in Nebraska and from whom would be legal. I would do anything to protect my Family, Wife, kids and precious Grandkids. But sorry I will not risk all that over something as insignificant as paperwork filing for my suppressor. Great if everyone can eventually go down and buy one at the local gun show. I am afraid that is simply not the case here just because one Judge made a ruling. It is obvious his ruling is not the Law of the land nationwide.. They are still NFA items to many and in many States are outright banned yet. This a hollow victory at best. But maybe, in the future, we can all benefit from the case getting it rolling in the right direction anyway.. |
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Originally Posted By lorazepam: It would not surprise me if the feds were supplying the switches to the hood rats to try and implement more gun control. They would rather let the goons make the switches because they are going to do it anyway. Then they would rather prosecute as criminals violate. Almost every case I have seen with a switch charge has multiple other felony drug and violence charges that led to the switch charge. Not many situations where its just a switch charge, usually felony possession of a firearm or possession of a firearm during a felony crime to start. Local courts commonly toss the switch charges out and/or let the feds take it. I promise the feds have way more to deal with than they can handle at this time when it comes to gangbangers with switches. |
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Originally Posted By lorazepam: I think it would depend on the cop who stops you. Originally Posted By lorazepam: Originally Posted By RunsonCLP: @lorazepam In Fl it is a 2nd degree felony to possess an SBR unless it is federally legal for you to own that item. If I keep my GOA card with me, and I get stopped, am I then going to be arrested for having an SBR in Florida since federal law no longer shields me? Asking for shits'ngiggles I think it would depend on the cop who stops you. The only time I've had an issue (some complete asshat called 911 because I was shooting my suppressed SBR at a range after the range staff ignored him), I showed them the form 1 and form 4 and explained that those satisfied the requirements for F.S. 790.221. The two guys I was dealing with were very professional about the whole thing. Might have been very different in a 'blue' area like Tampa, Miami, etc. I'd say keep a copy of the GOA membership and the ruling from the Northern District of Texas with your form 1-less SBR as support for your affirmative defense that your possession of the SBR is in compliance with federal law and thus also in compliance with 790.221. That's what I'll be doing for anything I acquire or build going forward. Of course, that's just my opinion. You can assign whatever worth you choose to it. Recommended values are $0 to $12.87. Void where prohibited. Any resemblance to opinions living, dead, or undead are purely coincidental. |
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Originally Posted By Dolomite: "UNPRECEDENTED SUPPRESSOR SALES: The NSSF reported that over 850,000 applications were submitted between January and May of 2026." So, roughly, 1/1/26 thru 5/31/26, about 6,000 a day? How many Form NONE whisper pickles since last Thursday? 24,000? LoL - no. Probably a whole lot more than that. Assuming R's keeps the House and Senate in November, this stuff should be covered by the 2A by next summer when the AWB's are stuck down. Death blow to ban state laws. |
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Originally Posted By MikeDeltaFoxtrot: What you are missing is that it already has been "straightened out." There is a very clear and well reasoned order from a federal judge. He is the authority here, not some simp on the ATF payroll. LOL. Sounds good in theory. Do you know how I know you've never dealt with a situation with the ATF where you can get a field office and the mother ship in an argument because they can't agree about how to handle something? I do So glad to not have to deal with all that BS any more. It's like dealing with DMV, but you can end up in prison. |
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Originally Posted By Dolomite: "UNPRECEDENTED SUPPRESSOR SALES: The NSSF reported that over 850,000 applications were submitted between January and May of 2026." So, roughly, 1/1/26 thru 5/31/26, about 6,000 a day? How many Form NONE whisper pickles since last Thursday? 24,000? LoL - no. Probably a whole lot more than that. 3d printers are going brrrrrrrrr across the country. If there was a way to track downloads of the FTN file pack starting with the deadline, it might be a good indicator. I have a feeling that a ton of people already had the files and were being extra free people already |