Federal Court Strikes Down NFA Registration on "untaxed" firearms (Page 127 of 195)
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Originally Posted By FVMC: So... I haven't kept up with this thread for a day or 2. What's the latest? Yes i went through a lot of pages. It's mostly people bitching at eachother for something. As of Sunday my FFL(s) still have not received "guidance" from the Fatf |
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Originally Posted By FVMC: So... I haven't kept up with this thread for a day or 2. What's the latest? Yes i went through a lot of pages. It's mostly people bitching at eachother for something. As of Sunday my FFL(s) still have not received "guidance" from the Fatf Nothing has changed yet. No official guidance. |
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Originally Posted By D_Man: Sounds like you're all caught up. Originally Posted By D_Man: Originally Posted By FVMC: So... I haven't kept up with this thread for a day or 2. What's the latest? Yes i went through a lot of pages. It's mostly people bitching at eachother for something. As of Sunday my FFL(s) still have not received "guidance" from the Fatf I figured nothing really changed. (Yet) Thanks 
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Originally Posted By FVMC: So... I haven't kept up with this thread for a day or 2. What's the latest? Yes i went through a lot of pages. It's mostly people bitching at eachother for something. As of Sunday my FFL(s) still have not received "guidance" from the Fatf Sounds like you need to find better FFLs. Assuming you are in a state with no STATE restrictions. |
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Originally Posted By StevenH: Sounds like you need to find better FFLs. Assuming you are in a state with no STATE restrictions. Originally Posted By StevenH: Originally Posted By FVMC: So... I haven't kept up with this thread for a day or 2. What's the latest? Yes i went through a lot of pages. It's mostly people bitching at eachother for something. As of Sunday my FFL(s) still have not received "guidance" from the Fatf Sounds like you need to find better FFLs. Assuming you are in a state with no STATE restrictions. I cannot honestly blame any business waiting for official guidance from the ATF before potentially doing something that will get their license pulled and close their doors. They didn’t make this mess so there’s no reason to be mad at them for being overly cautious. |
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Originally Posted By st33ve0: So, anyone who knows more about this stuff...from what I can see these are the current cases relating to this and their respective initial filing dates: Silencer Shop Foundation v ATF - (5th circuit) July 4, 2025 Brown v ATF - (8th circuit) August 1, 2025 Roberts v ATF - (6th circuit) February 26, 2026 Is it reasonable to expect these cases to take about the same amount of time to get a resolution or does SSF v ATF have a chance to expedite a favorable decision in other 2A friendly circuits? If this injunction is allowed to run out the full 60 days (October 5th, I believe) will we expect to possibly see motion then in other cases or a 14A challenge by GOA et al? ETA: I know SSF v ATF is a district court ruling, but it's in the 5th circuit. From what I can find, the 8th Circuit doesn't have a particularly notable pro 2A stance, however post-Bruen, "...has applied text-and-history tests rigorously. It has not been among the most aggressive circuits in expanding gun rights (compared to the Fifth Circuit on certain issues) nor among the most restrictive. In short, the Eighth Circuit is not historically a reliably “pro-Second Amendment” court in the sense of systematically striking down firearm regulations. Its conservative composition has produced outcomes that often sustain longstanding federal prohibitions while occasionally protecting core rights for law-abiding adults (as in the Minnesota age case). Results depend heavily on the specific regulation and the historical evidence presented." The 6th Circuit "Like most circuits before Heller (2008) and Bruen (2022), it treated the right more narrowly (often under intermediate scrutiny or a two-step framework that deferred to government interests). Post-Bruen, its record is mixed: it upholds many longstanding federal prohibitions while allowing more individualized challenges than some sister circuits (e.g., the Eighth) in certain categories. The Sixth Circuit covers Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio, and Tennessee. It is moderately conservative in composition overall but produces varied Second Amendment outcomes depending on the specific restriction and panel." Read into it what you will. |
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| There won't be any suppressors out there to buy by the end of the week. People are buying the hell out of them right now. I'd be interested to hear from some of the manufacturers and Silencer Shop about how much inventory has been chewed through at this point. |
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Originally Posted By M41A: There won't be any suppressors out there to buy by the end of the week. People are buying the hell out of them right now. I'd be interested to hear from some of the manufacturers and Silencer Shop about how much inventory has been chewed through at this point. I see stuff go OOS and back into stock, then back OOS pretty quickly. Accessories like mounts seem to be staying OOS. |
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Originally Posted By broken_reticle: I see stuff go OOS and back into stock, then back OOS pretty quickly. Accessories like mounts seem to be staying OOS. Originally Posted By broken_reticle: Originally Posted By M41A: There won't be any suppressors out there to buy by the end of the week. People are buying the hell out of them right now. I'd be interested to hear from some of the manufacturers and Silencer Shop about how much inventory has been chewed through at this point. I see stuff go OOS and back into stock, then back OOS pretty quickly. Accessories like mounts seem to be staying OOS. My guess is next spring/summer before things start to normalize and most inventory is available again. |
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For a Montana resident and a GOA and CCRKBA member I assume that adding stocks to say a Mossberg Shockwave, MP5, or anything that started it's life as a pistol or stripped receiver is good to go? The only state law I found that covers SBR/SBS is MCA 45-8-340 https://mca.legmt.gov/bills/mca/title_0450/chapter_0080/part_0030/section_0400/0450-0080-0030-0400.html Since the Shockwave was never less than 18" from the factory or MP5 or AR pistol that state law does not apply? I read it as the statute prohibits knowing possession of a rifle or shotgun that when originally manufactured had a barrel of 16"+ (rifle) or 18"+ (shotgun) and an overall length of 26"+, and that was later modified so the barrel or overall length is now shorter. It is aimed at people who cut down a full-size long gun. I realize for suppressors we are in limbo (still have to file Form 1/4) with MCA 45-8-336 https://mca.legmt.gov/bills/mca/title_0450/chapter_0080/part_0030/section_0360/0450-0080-0030-0360.html and MCA 45-8-337 https://mca.legmt.gov/bills/mca/title_0450/chapter_0080/part_0030/section_0370/0450-0080-0030-0370.html I am mainly focused on making SBR/SBS's at this time. |
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Originally Posted By Cypher214: It's gonna be wild for months until the big makers get caught up, the smaller makers ramp up production, and the new manufacturers get established. My guess is next spring/summer before things start to normalize and most inventory is available again. Originally Posted By Cypher214: Originally Posted By broken_reticle: Originally Posted By M41A: There won't be any suppressors out there to buy by the end of the week. People are buying the hell out of them right now. I'd be interested to hear from some of the manufacturers and Silencer Shop about how much inventory has been chewed through at this point. I see stuff go OOS and back into stock, then back OOS pretty quickly. Accessories like mounts seem to be staying OOS. My guess is next spring/summer before things start to normalize and most inventory is available again. I am most bummed about the lack of reasonably (or even available) MP5 stocks. 
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Originally Posted By broken_reticle: I am most bummed about the lack of reasonably (or even available) MP5 stocks. Dang you're not kidding https://hkparts.net/hk-rifle-smg-parts/hk-mp5-hk94-a3-retractable-buttstock-gen-2/ I got one 10-15 years ago. It was expensive but damn not this high!! |
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Originally Posted By MontuckyMan: Dang you're not kidding https://hkparts.net/hk-rifle-smg-parts/hk-mp5-hk94-a3-retractable-buttstock-gen-2/ I got one 10-15 years ago. It was expensive but damn not this high!! Originally Posted By MontuckyMan: Originally Posted By broken_reticle: I am most bummed about the lack of reasonably (or even available) MP5 stocks. Dang you're not kidding https://hkparts.net/hk-rifle-smg-parts/hk-mp5-hk94-a3-retractable-buttstock-gen-2/ I got one 10-15 years ago. It was expensive but damn not this high!! They're higher than giraffe nuts with that price, lol. That's almost as much as a knockoff MP5 by itself. |
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Originally Posted By MontuckyMan: Dang you're not kidding https://hkparts.net/hk-rifle-smg-parts/hk-mp5-hk94-a3-retractable-buttstock-gen-2/ I got one 10-15 years ago. It was expensive but damn not this high!! I hope whoever is responsible for pricing didn't burn his lips on that crack pipe. |
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Originally Posted By Firestarter123: I cannot honestly blame any business waiting for official guidance from the ATF before potentially doing something that will get their license pulled and close their doors. They didn’t make this mess so there’s no reason to be mad at them for being overly cautious. I agree. |
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Originally Posted By broken_reticle: I am most bummed about the lack of reasonably (or even available) MP5 stocks. If you want a A3, Get on the back order list for the MKE stocks. Atlantic gets them in from time to time. https://atlanticfirearms.com/MKE-MP5-Buttstock For an A2, the Michaels Machines stocks are pretty good. https://hkparts.net/hk-rifle-smg-parts/hk-mp5-sp5-stock-a2-fixed/ AC Unity side folder https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/AC-Unity-Side-Folding-Stock-48-71-at-HKP-Now-68-71-/9-563308/ |
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Originally Posted By FVMC: I figured nothing really changed. (Yet) Thanks Originally Posted By FVMC: Originally Posted By D_Man: Originally Posted By FVMC: So... I haven't kept up with this thread for a day or 2. What's the latest? Yes i went through a lot of pages. It's mostly people bitching at eachother for something. As of Sunday my FFL(s) still have not received "guidance" from the Fatf I figured nothing really changed. (Yet) Thanks There has been one major change, if Silencer Shop is to be believed, ATF will be implementing a process to remove 4473 transferred silencers (and I would assume SBRs and SBSs) from an FFLs NFA inventory. While we don't have a drop of details yet, and I guess it is theoretically possible SS made it up, if it is true, it means ATF will be voluntarily complying with the injunction, eventually. That is a monumental shift, though thus far a quiet one. |
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Originally Posted By Freyja_75: I hope whoever is responsible for pricing didn't burn his lips on that crack pipe. Originally Posted By Freyja_75: Originally Posted By MontuckyMan: Dang you're not kidding https://hkparts.net/hk-rifle-smg-parts/hk-mp5-hk94-a3-retractable-buttstock-gen-2/ I got one 10-15 years ago. It was expensive but damn not this high!! I hope whoever is responsible for pricing didn't burn his lips on that crack pipe. Lol I hope they do! |
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Originally Posted By MontuckyMan: Dang you're not kidding https://hkparts.net/hk-rifle-smg-parts/hk-mp5-hk94-a3-retractable-buttstock-gen-2/ I got one 10-15 years ago. It was expensive but damn not this high!! HKP always charges a premium, especially when things are in short supply, which is why they usually have what you're looking for when other folks are out of stock. |
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Originally Posted By scuba_steve: HKP always charges a premium, especially when things are in short supply, which is why they usually have what you're looking for when other folks are out of stock. Originally Posted By scuba_steve: Originally Posted By MontuckyMan: Dang you're not kidding https://hkparts.net/hk-rifle-smg-parts/hk-mp5-hk94-a3-retractable-buttstock-gen-2/ I got one 10-15 years ago. It was expensive but damn not this high!! HKP always charges a premium, especially when things are in short supply, which is why they usually have what you're looking for when other folks are out of stock. I bought an H&K A2 stock for my SP5 a few months back, betting that this was coming. I’m keeping my Gearhead Works Tailhook setup for travel though. |
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Originally Posted By MikeDeltaFoxtrot: I bought an H&K A2 stock for my SP5 a few months back, betting that this was coming. I’m keeping my Gearhead Works Tailhook setup for travel though. I bought an HK Choate around the same time, paying the HKP iron price since it wasn't in stock anywhere else, but no regrets. I'm happy with it, and it's far more comfortable than the B&T telescopic stock on my APC Pro. |
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Originally Posted By broken_reticle: I am most bummed about the lack of reasonably (or even available) MP5 stocks. I can vouch for the Magpul stock. I love it, and it's "normal" in price, unlike the HK stock. No offense, but a stock of any kind isn't worth a thousand dollars. Get over yourselves HK. |
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Originally Posted By rb889: They're higher than giraffe nuts with that price, lol. That's almost as much as a knockoff MP5 by itself. Originally Posted By rb889: Originally Posted By MontuckyMan: Originally Posted By broken_reticle: I am most bummed about the lack of reasonably (or even available) MP5 stocks. Dang you're not kidding https://hkparts.net/hk-rifle-smg-parts/hk-mp5-hk94-a3-retractable-buttstock-gen-2/ I got one 10-15 years ago. It was expensive but damn not this high!! They're higher than giraffe nuts with that price, lol. That's almost as much as a knockoff MP5 by itself. I've seen several of these "something changed, buy everything now!" cycles and it always works out the same way. Give it some time and we'll be back in another "nobody's buying anything" slump once everybody has bought their must-haves. Then some politician will say something after a shooting and everybody will panic buy again. |
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Originally Posted By Cypher214: Don't get caught up in FOMO unless you absolutely need it. Prices will go back to normal and I guarantee some new options will enter the market before long that will make things cheaper. I've seen several of these "something changed, buy everything now!" cycles and it always works out the same way. Give it some time and we'll be back in another "nobody's buying anything" slump once everybody has bought their must-haves. Then some politician will say something after a shooting and everybody will panic buy again. Semi-related question, does anyone have experience with the wait time on a backordered can from Silencer Shop or is it too random/dependent on the specific manufacturer to predict? |
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Originally Posted By CZRider: Semi-related question, does anyone have experience with the wait time on a backordered can from Silencer Shop or is it too random/dependent on the specific manufacturer to predict? Originally Posted By CZRider: Originally Posted By Cypher214: Don't get caught up in FOMO unless you absolutely need it. Prices will go back to normal and I guarantee some new options will enter the market before long that will make things cheaper. I've seen several of these "something changed, buy everything now!" cycles and it always works out the same way. Give it some time and we'll be back in another "nobody's buying anything" slump once everybody has bought their must-haves. Then some politician will say something after a shooting and everybody will panic buy again. Semi-related question, does anyone have experience with the wait time on a backordered can from Silencer Shop or is it too random/dependent on the specific manufacturer to predict? |
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Originally Posted By EDL: From what I can find, the 8th Circuit doesn't have a particularly notable pro 2A stance, however post-Bruen, "...has applied text-and-history tests rigorously. It has not been among the most aggressive circuits in expanding gun rights (compared to the Fifth Circuit on certain issues) nor among the most restrictive. In short, the Eighth Circuit is not historically a reliably "pro-Second Amendment" court in the sense of systematically striking down firearm regulations. Its conservative composition has produced outcomes that often sustain longstanding federal prohibitions while occasionally protecting core rights for law-abiding adults (as in the Minnesota age case). Results depend heavily on the specific regulation and the historical evidence presented." The 6th Circuit "Like most circuits before Heller (2008) and Bruen (2022), it treated the right more narrowly (often under intermediate scrutiny or a two-step framework that deferred to government interests). Post-Bruen, its record is mixed: it upholds many longstanding federal prohibitions while allowing more individualized challenges than some sister circuits (e.g., the Eighth) in certain categories. The Sixth Circuit covers Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio, and Tennessee. It is moderately conservative in composition overall but produces varied Second Amendment outcomes depending on the specific restriction and panel." Read into it what you will. Originally Posted By EDL: Originally Posted By st33ve0: So, anyone who knows more about this stuff...from what I can see these are the current cases relating to this and their respective initial filing dates: Silencer Shop Foundation v ATF - (5th circuit) July 4, 2025 Brown v ATF - (8th circuit) August 1, 2025 Roberts v ATF - (6th circuit) February 26, 2026 Is it reasonable to expect these cases to take about the same amount of time to get a resolution or does SSF v ATF have a chance to expedite a favorable decision in other 2A friendly circuits? If this injunction is allowed to run out the full 60 days (October 5th, I believe) will we expect to possibly see motion then in other cases or a 14A challenge by GOA et al? ETA: I know SSF v ATF is a district court ruling, but it's in the 5th circuit. From what I can find, the 8th Circuit doesn't have a particularly notable pro 2A stance, however post-Bruen, "...has applied text-and-history tests rigorously. It has not been among the most aggressive circuits in expanding gun rights (compared to the Fifth Circuit on certain issues) nor among the most restrictive. In short, the Eighth Circuit is not historically a reliably "pro-Second Amendment" court in the sense of systematically striking down firearm regulations. Its conservative composition has produced outcomes that often sustain longstanding federal prohibitions while occasionally protecting core rights for law-abiding adults (as in the Minnesota age case). Results depend heavily on the specific regulation and the historical evidence presented." The 6th Circuit "Like most circuits before Heller (2008) and Bruen (2022), it treated the right more narrowly (often under intermediate scrutiny or a two-step framework that deferred to government interests). Post-Bruen, its record is mixed: it upholds many longstanding federal prohibitions while allowing more individualized challenges than some sister circuits (e.g., the Eighth) in certain categories. The Sixth Circuit covers Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio, and Tennessee. It is moderately conservative in composition overall but produces varied Second Amendment outcomes depending on the specific restriction and panel." Read into it what you will. Apparently their strategy was to force a circuit split so they could take it to SCOTUS (best case). To do that they'd to get the cases from district to circuit court - either by losing and then appealing or winning and DOJ appealing. But maybe there was a Plan B? Strategically pick district courts where they had a good chance of winning, create relief for massive plaintiff groups, DOJ doesn't appeal (a risk) and... What? What we have now on a national level until Viramontes is decided? And Viramontes leads to dismantling the NFA, GCA, etc? |
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Originally Posted By broken_reticle: I am most bummed about the lack of reasonably (or even available) MP5 stocks. |
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Originally Posted By ODA_564: FPC, with other plaintiffs (including the NRA in Brown) filed essentially the same law suit in several circuits. Apparently their strategy was to force a circuit split so they could take it to SCOTUS (best case). To do that they'd to get the cases from district to circuit court - either by losing and then appealing or winning and DOJ appealing. But maybe there was a Plan B? Strategically pick district courts where they had a good chance of winning, create relief for massive plaintiff groups, DOJ doesn't appeal (a risk) and... What? What we have now on a national level until Viramontes is decided? And Viramontes leads to dismantling the NFA, GCA, etc? Guess on a timeline for plan A? NRA should have taken this to court in 1934. |
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Originally Posted By FishKepr: If you want a A3, Get on the back order list for the MKE stocks. Atlantic gets them in from time to time. https://atlanticfirearms.com/MKE-MP5-Buttstock For an A2, the Michaels Machines stocks are pretty good. https://hkparts.net/hk-rifle-smg-parts/hk-mp5-sp5-stock-a2-fixed/ AC Unity side folder https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/AC-Unity-Side-Folding-Stock-48-71-at-HKP-Now-68-71-/9-563308/ Originally Posted By FishKepr: Originally Posted By broken_reticle: I am most bummed about the lack of reasonably (or even available) MP5 stocks. If you want a A3, Get on the back order list for the MKE stocks. Atlantic gets them in from time to time. https://atlanticfirearms.com/MKE-MP5-Buttstock For an A2, the Michaels Machines stocks are pretty good. https://hkparts.net/hk-rifle-smg-parts/hk-mp5-sp5-stock-a2-fixed/ AC Unity side folder https://www.ar15.com/forums/armory/AC-Unity-Side-Folding-Stock-48-71-at-HKP-Now-68-71-/9-563308/ Have a German stock on my Vector 93 clone (built by Ghillie) and an MKE on my MKE. Second this recommendation, the MKE stock is identical. |
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Originally Posted By Coffin-Nail: You are right, he was a curator, it's been a number of years. Originally Posted By Coffin-Nail: Originally Posted By scuba_steve: Certainly could have impacted items not on display, and I can see why owners of items on loan may have wanted to retrieve them when the NRA announced restructuring plans and a plan to move to Texas, but I haven't noticed much impact to the items on display. BTW, I don't believe member rongorongo was ever the director. Phil Schreier was, who passed away last year. I believe rongo was a senior curator. And also very critical of Phil and how the artifacts were being maintained after rongo was terminated, but there are two sides to every story. That said, I would not be surprised if the collection was not being maintained as well as it was when they had a larger staff. That department was likely one of the first to see cuts. I keep recommending friends take the time to visit the museum while it is still there, because I would not be surprised to see it close. You are right, he was a curator, it's been a number of years. Didn't he lose some guns that were on loan, or something of that nature? I recall they just kind of disappeared and he wasn't able to get them back. |
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Originally Posted By willi3d: That’s just legal speak for not committing to anything at the present time. Saying they haven’t filed an appeal “to date” means just that. They haven’t filed until October 5 to file an appeal if they decide to. Originally Posted By willi3d: Originally Posted By Zap_Rowsdower: Pending litigation??? Fuck this guy!. There is no pending litigation. The court case is settled, and the DOJ has not filed an appeal to date. That’s just legal speak for not committing to anything at the present time. Saying they haven’t filed an appeal “to date” means just that. They haven’t filed until October 5 to file an appeal if they decide to. I called two fairly large dealers here in Southwest Florida, shoot Center in Cape Coral and Jerry's firearms and they both said they are waiting on directives from the ATF. So apparently Florida is not the gunshine state |
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Originally Posted By scuba_steve: I bought an HK Choate around the same time, paying the HKP iron price since it wasn't in stock anywhere else, but no regrets. I'm happy with it, and it's far more comfortable than the B&T telescopic stock on my APC Pro. Originally Posted By scuba_steve: Originally Posted By MikeDeltaFoxtrot: I bought an H&K A2 stock for my SP5 a few months back, betting that this was coming. I’m keeping my Gearhead Works Tailhook setup for travel though. I bought an HK Choate around the same time, paying the HKP iron price since it wasn't in stock anywhere else, but no regrets. I'm happy with it, and it's far more comfortable than the B&T telescopic stock on my APC Pro. I have the Choate on my SP5K SBR, and you never regret getting the real deal. |
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Originally Posted By AK74-U: I can vouch for the Magpul stock. I love it, and it's "normal" in price, unlike the HK stock. No offense, but a stock of any kind isn't worth a thousand dollars. Get over yourselves HK. Originally Posted By AK74-U: Originally Posted By broken_reticle: I am most bummed about the lack of reasonably (or even available) MP5 stocks. I can vouch for the Magpul stock. I love it, and it's "normal" in price, unlike the HK stock. No offense, but a stock of any kind isn't worth a thousand dollars. Get over yourselves HK. H&K is not for the poors. |
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Originally Posted By wyopatr: I agree. Originally Posted By wyopatr: Originally Posted By Firestarter123: I cannot honestly blame any business waiting for official guidance from the ATF before potentially doing something that will get their license pulled and close their doors. They didn't make this mess so there's no reason to be mad at them for being overly cautious. I agree. However, that shouldn't prevent a fella from going and buying one from a store that is selling them on a 4473. I mean, the pro-registration fans of GD will crinkle their noses and wag their fingers with an accompanying: "better watch out", or "you're gonna be sorry when..." But that's always been the case with gun stuff on the internet I suppose. I remember the days when people were freaking out over someone putting a rubber cane tip on the end of their AR pistol's buffer tube: "10 YEARS WITH BUBBA IN A FEDERAL POUNDING IN THE ASS PRISON!" Anytime someone asked about using silver solder instead of pinning and welding a flashhider resulted in 300 word prison rape scenarios. Refuse to register your brace? Well, then you're trying to play some kind of 2A tough guy, and (my personal favorite) are a secret anti-gun activist. Gayness. Gayness all around. |
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Originally Posted By Oldgold: Guess on a timeline for plan A? NRA should have taken this to court in 1934. Originally Posted By Oldgold: Originally Posted By ODA_564: FPC, with other plaintiffs (including the NRA in Brown) filed essentially the same law suit in several circuits. Apparently their strategy was to force a circuit split so they could take it to SCOTUS (best case). To do that they'd to get the cases from district to circuit court - either by losing and then appealing or winning and DOJ appealing. But maybe there was a Plan B? Strategically pick district courts where they had a good chance of winning, create relief for massive plaintiff groups, DOJ doesn't appeal (a risk) and... What? What we have now on a national level until Viramontes is decided? And Viramontes leads to dismantling the NFA, GCA, etc? Guess on a timeline for plan A? NRA should have taken this to court in 1934. NRA ILA did not exist back then; it was not established in 1975. But the NFA was challenged in court and found to be a legitimate exercise of the taxing power. Sonzinsky v. United States, 300 U.S. 506 (1937). |
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Originally Posted By CZRider: Semi-related question, does anyone have experience with the wait time on a backordered can from Silencer Shop or is it too random/dependent on the specific manufacturer to predict? depends how far along in production the shop they have them ordered with are. best bet is call silencershop and ask or use there online AI and ask. |
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I am interested in all associated freedom with all this, but I am focused on the form 1 side. This is an interesting video explaining the related associations with actual relevant attorneys. GOA membership doesn't 'cover' you for this. Maybe this was posted in page 87.5, I didn't catch all the purse swinging. Waiting patiently like everyone else, but joining the SAF and CCRKBA as well. |
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| For anyone in a free state with a willing dealer who is taking advantage of this buying opportunity make sure all the members of your household become GOA members if they are not. If not, right after the ATF kills your golden retriever they will charge your wife and 18 year old daughter with Constructive Possession of an unregistered NFA item. |
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Originally Posted By Zap_Rowsdower: For anyone in a free state with a willing dealer who is taking advantage of this buying opportunity make sure all the members of your household become GOA members if they are not. If not, right after the ATF kills your golden retriever they will charge your wife and 18 year old daughter with Constructive Possession of an unregistered NFA item. Utter fucking nonsense. |
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Originally Posted By Zap_Rowsdower: For anyone in a free state with a willing dealer who is taking advantage of this buying opportunity make sure all the members of your household become GOA members if they are not. If not, right after the ATF kills your golden retriever they will charge your wife and 18 year old daughter with Constructive Possession of an unregistered NFA item. is that the same way they charge my family for a silencer I own in the house as an individual. Just keep it in the safe and tell the wife if anyone asks she does not know the combination. problem solved. |
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Originally Posted By bap: This is an interesting video... GOA membership doesn't 'cover' you for this. 24:00 in he says if you're a plaintiff in one of the 2 dozen or so friendly sbr/sbs states - you should be good to go, just follow state law. |
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Originally Posted By Freyja_75: I hope whoever is responsible for pricing didn't burn his lips on that crack pipe. Originally Posted By Freyja_75: Originally Posted By MontuckyMan: Dang you're not kidding https://hkparts.net/hk-rifle-smg-parts/hk-mp5-hk94-a3-retractable-buttstock-gen-2/ I got one 10-15 years ago. It was expensive but damn not this high!! I hope whoever is responsible for pricing didn't burn his lips on that crack pipe. Hate to burst your bubble, but they’ve been that high for a few years. The new production old style A3 stock is a couple of hundred more than the newer F stock, and the TACO tax has driven up prices even more. Welcome to the world of HK pricing. https://hkpartspro.com/hk-mp5sp5hk94-retractable-buttstock-a3 https://us.hkwebshop.com/hkstorefront/hk/en/Rifle-Parts/Rifle-Accessories/MP5-Retractable-Buttstock/p/225558 |
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Originally Posted By Zap_Rowsdower: For anyone in a free state with a willing dealer who is taking advantage of this buying opportunity make sure all the members of your household become GOA members if they are not. If not, right after the ATF kills your golden retriever they will charge your wife and 18 year old daughter with Constructive Possession of an unregistered NFA item. 
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Originally Posted By bap: I am interested in all associated freedom with all this, but I am focused on the form 1 side. This is an interesting video explaining the related associations with actual relevant attorneys. GOA membership doesn't 'cover' you for this. Maybe this was posted in page 87.5, I didn't catch all the purse swinging. Waiting patiently like everyone else, but joining the SAF and CCRKBA as well. You complain about the length of this thread then post a 45 minute video of two legal talking heads umming and uhhing with no indication of where the worrying part is 
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Originally Posted By shadycoh: is that the same way they charge my family for a silencer I own in the house as an individual. Just keep it in the safe and tell the wife if anyone asks she does not know the combination. problem solved. Is that silencer that you own in the NFA registry because you went thru the Form 4 or Form 1 process? A 4473 can is not. The judges order forbids enforcement against members of the lawsuit. A spouse who is not a GOA member or other party to the lawsuit is not covered. $25 is cheap insurance. |