Federal Court Strikes Down NFA Registration on "untaxed" firearms (Page 184 of 195)
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Originally Posted By kab85: Not sure if it's been mentioned or not, but Cekada made some statements about guidance in the coming couple weeks and the delay was to "get it right." Was that the one responding to probably Tom Grieve he made a week or two ago, or did he say something new? |
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Originally Posted By Ronin76: @dcs12345 Yeah... I guess I won't be picking up those cans which I ordered and paid for at the Silencer Shop webpage. I turns out that they won't complete my purchase/shipment until I am registered with their webpage - something that wasn't mentioned in the process of ordering and paying for the items. They didn't even contact me. I found out when I went back and logged in which is when I found out that they need me to fill out a list of questions and upload my photo and a fingerprint form. Me currently being OCONUS means that I don't have a venue by which I can submit fingerprints. Without that I cannot register for the Silencer Shop website so I cannot complete the transaction. Oh well, at least I can roll up a few SBR's while I am in NM. SBRs still require a Form 4 to buy from an FFL (GCA '68). But a Silencer Shop / Jensen plaintiff organization member can make one with out a Form 1 (Jensen plaintiff organization members don't have to engrave). |
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Originally Posted By Ronin76: @dcs12345 Yeah... I guess I won't be picking up those cans which I ordered and paid for at the Silencer Shop webpage. I turns out that they won't complete my purchase/shipment until I am registered with their webpage - something that wasn't mentioned in the process of ordering and paying for the items. They didn't even contact me. I found out when I went back and logged in which is when I found out that they need me to fill out a list of questions and upload my photo and a fingerprint form. Me currently being OCONUS means that I don't have a venue by which I can submit fingerprints. Without that I cannot register for the Silencer Shop website so I cannot complete the transaction. Oh well, at least I can roll up a few SBR's while I am in NM. Originally Posted By Ronin76: Originally Posted By dcs12345: Hopefully @dcs12345 Yeah... I guess I won't be picking up those cans which I ordered and paid for at the Silencer Shop webpage. I turns out that they won't complete my purchase/shipment until I am registered with their webpage - something that wasn't mentioned in the process of ordering and paying for the items. They didn't even contact me. I found out when I went back and logged in which is when I found out that they need me to fill out a list of questions and upload my photo and a fingerprint form. Me currently being OCONUS means that I don't have a venue by which I can submit fingerprints. Without that I cannot register for the Silencer Shop website so I cannot complete the transaction. Oh well, at least I can roll up a few SBR's while I am in NM. @Ronin76 I got the same thing when I looked at the order page. Then after a week or so, it went away and said No Action Required. I think their system just hasn’t been updated to not ask for photos or fingerprints etc… Attached File Back on Sept 1st, it looked like this….. (I never uploaded a pic or fingerprints) Attached File I guess it might be at my dealer sometime next week…..maybe others that have received them can chime in on their timeline (which I bet is getting longer as more and more people order suppressors) Here is one guy who ordered back on Aug 17th and his dealer got them on the 8th https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/The-two-cans-I-ordered-from-SS-just-showed-up-at-my-dealer/5-2857955/ |
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Originally Posted By ODA_564: SBRs still require a Form 4 to buy from an FFL (GCA '68). But a Silencer Shop / Jensen plaintiff organization member can make one with out a Form 1 (Jensen plaintiff organization members don't have to engrave).  Attached File Fell strange going out the first time but...  |
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I ordered 4 from silencer shop the day after ruling. 2 in stock, 2 out of stock. Every few days got the same email, need finger prints, pic etc. Multiple unanswered emails and phone calls later, all 4 have arrived at my dealer. Fyi my acct still says they need that info. I'd say their system is still messed up. Mine came so don't give up hope. eta: Im in kansas |
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@ODA_564 @dcs12345 Thank you guys for the information. I got in touch with the good guys at Silencer Shop asking about a refund. At this point I am too close to my trip back to New Mexico - if they couldn't ship in the next few days it's probable that the cans wouldn't be at my gun shop while I am there. I will find out what they can do. |
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Originally Posted By distrflman: Yep, great the new nra pay pay pay. No card either. Originally Posted By distrflman: Originally Posted By willi3d: Was excited to find a letter from the GOA in my mailbox. Was thinking I was finally getting my membership card after joining a month ago, but alas, it’s just a hit up for money. #YouPeople 
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Originally Posted By dcs12345: @Ronin76 I got the same thing when I looked at the order page. Then after a week or so, it went away and said No Action Required. I think their system just hasn’t been updated to not ask for photos or fingerprints etc… https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/82036/IMG_3074_jpeg-3825109.JPG Back on Sept 1st, it looked like this….. (I never uploaded a pic or fingerprints) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/82036/IMG_3061_jpeg-3825112.JPG I guess it might be at my dealer sometime next week…..maybe others that have received them can chime in on their timeline (which I bet is getting longer as more and more people order suppressors) Here is one guy who ordered back on Aug 17th and his dealer got them on the 8th https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/The-two-cans-I-ordered-from-SS-just-showed-up-at-my-dealer/5-2857955/  SS has always had all my info. I ordered an in stock can on Aug 20 to send to my local dealer who is doing 4473 transfered. Still hasn’t shipped from SS. Shown as waiting for Form 3 approval to ship for the last two weeks (which I doubt is true). Of course, you can’t call them and ask what’s actually going on since you can never get a hold of an actual human. |
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Originally Posted By Ronin76: @ODA_564 @dcs12345 Thank you guys for the information. I got in touch with the good guys at Silencer Shop asking about a refund. At this point I am too close to my trip back to New Mexico - if they couldn't ship in the next few days it's probable that the cans wouldn't be at my gun shop while I am there. I will find out what they can do. Hopefully you can actually get in touch with an actual person and not just the stupid email AI bot “Hiram”. Maybe they will be able to get yours out faster…. |
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Originally Posted By willi3d: SS has always had all my info. I ordered an in stock can on Aug 20 to send to my local dealer who is doing 4473 transfered. Still hasn’t shipped from SS. Shown as waiting for Form 3 approval to ship for the last two weeks (which I doubt is true). Of course, you can’t call them and ask what’s actually going on since you can never get a hold of an actual human. I am pretty sure a couple of people have said that theirs were showing the same status, but the cans showed up at their dealer…. So, basically…who the hell knows. |
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Originally Posted By dcs12345: Hopefully you can actually get in touch with an actual person and not just the stupid email AI bot “Hiram”. Maybe they will be able to get yours out faster…. @willi3d @dcs12345 I sent an e-mail to Silencer Shop and got a reply from "Hiram" in a couple seconds. But then an actual human replied soon after. We exchanged messages and he was super helpful - but there just isn't enough time left for the process to finish and then the shipping agent to deliver in time with any degree of confidence. At this point I wouldn't be very picky if I find an FFL in my state which has anything in one of the calibers I want - and if they are transferring on a 4473. |
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Originally Posted By kab85: Not sure if it's been mentioned or not, but Cekada made some statements about guidance in the coming couple weeks and the delay was to "get it right." Yes, weeks ago. We're waiting on him to get it right. 
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Originally Posted By dcs12345: @Ronin76 I got the same thing when I looked at the order page. Then after a week or so, it went away and said No Action Required. I think their system just hasn’t been updated to not ask for photos or fingerprints etc… https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/82036/IMG_3074_jpeg-3825109.JPG Back on Sept 1st, it looked like this….. (I never uploaded a pic or fingerprints) https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/82036/IMG_3061_jpeg-3825112.JPG I guess it might be at my dealer sometime next week…..maybe others that have received them can chime in on their timeline (which I bet is getting longer as more and more people order suppressors) Here is one guy who ordered back on Aug 17th and his dealer got them on the 8th https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/The-two-cans-I-ordered-from-SS-just-showed-up-at-my-dealer/5-2857955/ I ordered on Day one my FFL is 30 miles from Silencershop. It still is in Shipping to my dealer. I would cancel it but the suppressor is on backorder everywhere now. |
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Originally Posted By FreefallRet: The state law is bullshit. I completely agree. But as much as we tend to be practical folks in the shooting world, the law isn’t practical. Everything in the legal world is incremental, and slow. I’m sure as we speak, a number of 2A groups are preparing more suits to expand and enhance what GOA, et al, won for us in Texas. |
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Hearing a rumor of a WA shop doing 4473 transfers on cans despite state law written to require federal registration for actually using them. (Read that carefully, along with what follows). No idea if it is true, should know more soon. Technically I can see a good argument that it would be totally legal to sell them this way, as state law says this is what is illegal: Uses any contrivance or device for suppressing the noise of any firearm unless the suppressor is legally registered and possessed in accordance with federal law That is all- nothing mentioned about selling them, just when using them. Being possessed in accordance with federal law is easy if you are a lawsuit group member. “Legally registered”….could mean anything from “hey a 4473 = registration” to “we emailed you a list!”. Or it could be a matter of “it is fine to sell them, registration per state law is the owner’s problem before use”. There is actually state precedent for this type of thinking, as suppressors have long been legal to own in WA, just not legal to actually use them until about 15 years ago. (Ahhh yes, politicians and their stupidly written laws…) One issue is that the state background check system has no way to do NFA items, so there would need to be a workaround to do that, or to just use NICS to do the BG check. (And WA had the feds shut down all state dealers NICS accounts, so you would need to get the account restarted I guess, which I do know the FBI will do). I have not heard of any guidance from WSP on the issue except for a BS email they sent out early on, saying nobody in WA was affected by the lawsuit (totally wrong, as lawsuit members can totally do SBR’s.) The place I am hearing about is unlikely to be taking a big legal risk, but I am hearing it 4th hand so I will know more soon I hope. Meanwhile- I just got back a $200 tax paid 40mm Form 1, along with a $0 AOW Form 1, and a whole bunch of $0 suppressor Form 1’s as well. Also some Form 4’s. Haven’t yet done a no registration SBR as I can’t decide which firearm to do, as I already have dozens of $200 and $0 SBR’s…. Not a problem I would have expected to have say 15 years ago! I still suggested to my kid today to get as many zero dollar Form 1’s and Form 4’s approved as possible right now, because I don’t trust blue states like OR and WA to fix this at the state level, in fact they likely will try to fuck over gun owners even further and claim it isn’t their fault. So I would personally not sit on my hands if a resident of a state where federal registration is still required by state law, because yes, it can be worse than doing a free NFA registration- maybe in 2027 such states just outlaw such items regardless. We know the dems love to pass laws now and fight in court later (using our tax dollars to do it). And we know some legislators plan to do exactly that kind of thing, as they are freaking out right now over federal restrictions being loosened. (“OMG- the peon citizens are actually buying suppressors at an alarming rate- quick, outlaw them!”). OR did exactly that with FRT’s last year, so trusting the benevolence of dem legislatures is probably a bad plan… get it while the getting is good, and 2026 overall has been a damn good year for NFA type items so far…. If you plan to wait for the Supreme Court to slap down states doing that kind of stuff, you might wait a long time, and not be that happy about how they rule, as they seem OK with registration schemes overall…. Best to get your suppressors now, legally in whatever way possible, than to trust a democrat politician to help you out so you can buy one with less paperwork in the future, is basically what I am trying to say. 2026 is one for the record books for sure already, plus the Supreme Court will be hearing an AWB case in a couple months…. Dems are getting their teeth kicked in at the federal level, and hopefully soon at the state level as well. Nice to be winning for once. Despite what Trump once said, I am not yet tired of all the winning! |
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Originally Posted By distrflman: Yep, great the new nra pay pay pay. No card either. Um, no. Yes, their current membership system sucks. They were in the middle of switching between two systems when the ruling hit and demand for membership exploded overnight. But look at it this way - would you rather have them spending the biggest chunk of their funding on administrative services, or on funding legal experts like NoloContendre to go kick ass and defend the 2A? Personally, I’ll wait for a card…. |
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Originally Posted By LawVol: WHMC Guns in Humboldt Originally Posted By LawVol: Originally Posted By tnriverluver: I’m not likely to pick up a can, at least not anytime soon since I so rarely even shoot. But from what my buddy that owns a lot of NFA stuff and holds an FFL for whatever reason, told me that none of the stores in my area in central W. Tn are selling using 4473 yet. But he wasn’t even aware of the statements by the current ATF director nor the new push by Trump to make this stuff impossible for future administrations to overturn. That did at least make him very happy to hear and read about. WHMC Guns in Humboldt He’ll yeah! Thanks for that. Hopefully these others will join in the party soon. I can totally understand the hesitation since everything is riding on it for them. A few years back I won an Armilite 13 inch 3Gun type competition style rifle on the FB drawings the gun shop in Milan always ran that got in trouble for not being able to fill the orders for the cool American flag things they started selling. Think a few members here ended up getting burned on that as well. Shame because they were cool dudes that had one hell of a gun business going. ETA I didn’t even know I had won until my son and his buddy called me just in time for me to call in and claim the thing. Really nice shooter! |
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Originally Posted By tac556: Hearing a rumor of a WA shop doing 4473 transfers on cans despite state law written to require federal registration for actually using them. I am curious if you would share the name of this shop...many people stuck here are interested. |
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Originally Posted By merick: What happens to your injunction coverage when your GOA membership expires? read the injunction it says customers and future customers. It does not say only current customers. if you purchase an item you are a customer of that business forever. |
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Originally Posted By shadycoh: read the injunction it says customers and future customers. It does not say only current customers. if you purchase an item you are a customer of that business forever. Originally Posted By shadycoh: Originally Posted By merick: What happens to your injunction coverage when your GOA membership expires? read the injunction it says customers and future customers. It does not say only current customers. if you purchase an item you are a customer of that business forever. I went ahead and got a GOA life membership. They deserve it. Probably get a life membership in ASA next. |
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Originally Posted By ngc1300: We get it, you aren't on board selling on 4473's. Why are you shitting on the FFLs that are pioneering the way? They're making good money and following the law. I am taking note of who the real 2A advocate FFL's are in my area. They will be getting my business going forward. One more time, for the those who post without reading the previous pages. I'm in Ohio, state law prohibits the possession of NFA firearms that aren't either registered in the NFRTR or the owner has an Ohio Dangerous Ordnance License. No one in Ohio is buying suppressors on 4473s. I'm personally, actively working with the County Sheriff to make that license available to Ohio Residents. When the Sheriff starts issuing the DOL, I'll start selling suppressors on a 4473. I always have been, and am still skeptical of the situation and don't trust the ATF to not jam up dealers down the road over this. I've never said a bad thing about any dealer selling on a 4473. I'm stating a fact that the claim of "dealers passing inspection" doesn't justify, allow, or prove jack shit regarding anything related to 4473 sales without documented proof. If the claim was true there would be a supporting ROV issued and signed by the IOI. There is no reason to not share that ROV - if it existed. It doesn't exist, because it's a bullshit claim and no one with any intelligence would use as justification to make a decision related to their business. |
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Originally Posted By wganz: except the GOA has a track record of court wins of restoring our 2A rights vs buying suits #YouPeople Originally Posted By wganz: Originally Posted By distrflman: Originally Posted By willi3d: Was excited to find a letter from the GOA in my mailbox. Was thinking I was finally getting my membership card after joining a month ago, but alas, it’s just a hit up for money. #YouPeople That’s fine. I’ll happily contribute. I just want my membership card. The page with my number on my dashboard (finally) isn’t enough. |
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My wife and mine are up for renewal again this year and because of our state laws as well as almost all of our neighboring states we’ve decided not to renew after having one for 30 years. It offers no advantage currently unless traveling through a stupid blue state which we have no future plans on doing. Going to feel weird not having one but here we can carry anything we want loaded and ready to rock. Without a permit! |
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: My wife and mine are up for renewal again this year and because of our state laws as well as almost all of our neighboring states we’ve decided not to renew after having one for 30 years. It offers no advantage currently unless traveling through a stupid blue state which we have no future plans on doing. Going to feel weird not having one but here we can carry anything we want loaded and ready to rock. Without a permit! My wife still keeps her TN. I told her it is a waster of $$, but makes her feel better. |
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Originally Posted By akguy1985: ATF guidance: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/128054/1000010791_jpg-3825149.JPG Everyone: STOP WAITING ON GUIDANCE ! It is not a valid excuse for refusing to sell suppressors without an approved Form 4. Look, I just checked on an existing industry operating with NO guidance from the corresponding federal administrative agency: the multi billion dollar recreational cannabis industry. There is ZERO federal guidance for recreational marijuana sales, according to this search (but look it up for yourself): “The DEA has not issued specific guidance for recreational cannabis stores, as its current focus is primarily on medical cannabis, which has been reclassified to Schedule III. Recreational cannabis remains subject to state laws, and businesses must comply with both state regulations and any applicable federal laws.” The entire recreational cannabis industry is in blatant violation of the Controlled Substances Act (CSA). There is NO injunction protecting them. And yet, those stores operate openly in half the states. Consider: the drug industry is showing more bravery than the FFLs who refuse to follow the legal injunction protecting them from ATF enforcement. And ATF is not going to issue guidance. The injunction IS the guidance. |
| I recently ordered an Obsidian 9 and a couple of non NFA accessories for it. I had poor communication on the can and none on the small items. I got the can in a reasonable time shipped to a 4473 dealer. The small stuff was not with it. Tried emails and Hiram said he did not know anything. They finally showed up in my mailbox after 20 days. |
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Originally Posted By Dominion21: Everyone: STOP WAITING ON GUIDANCE ! It is not a valid excuse for refusing to sell suppressors without an approved Form 4. Look, I just checked on an existing industry operating with NO guidance from the corresponding federal administrative agency: the multi billion dollar recreational cannabis industry. There is ZERO federal guidance for recreational marijuana sales, according to this search (but look it up for yourself): “The DEA has not issued specific guidance for recreational cannabis stores, as its current focus is primarily on medical cannabis, which has been reclassified to Schedule III. Recreational cannabis remains subject to state laws, and businesses must comply with both state regulations and any applicable federal laws.” The entire recreational cannabis industry is in blatant violation of the Controlled Substances Act (CSA). There is NO injunction protecting them. And yet, those stores operate openly in half the states. Consider: the drug industry is showing more bravery than the FFLs who refuse to follow the legal injunction protecting them from ATF enforcement. And ATF is not going to issue guidance. The injunction IS the guidance. Maybe FFLs should just listen to their own legal counsel and act in a manner they see fit, in their private business. A corner stone of GD, as of forever ago, has been " Their store, their rules". Also, your anology is riddled with legal errors, and misrepresents the entire history of the challenges of the cannibis industry to operate. They have been debanked due to federal laws, neighboring state police have surveilled and seized money traveling through their state, from marijuana sales. Etc, etc, etc. So you think FFLs should follow this model, and not expect problems? |
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Originally Posted By Ronin76: This is all happening right as I have a trip back to New Mexico (my home of residence in the US) coming up soon. A couple days ago I clicked on a link for the silencer shop and found that my usual gun shop back home is one of their dealers.... and they are transferring on a 4473. So I shopped around on the Silencer Shop webpage, picked out three cans I wanted in stock, paid for them and they will be shipped to by gun shop before I get there. I might have some bad news. I'm rocking over a 1 month wait to get mine that I ordered the day of the injunction taking effect. It did finally get to the dealer but I was close to asking for a refund. They are swamped and everything is taking much longer than it normally would. That's good for them, bad for us that aren't patient. Hope yours is waiting for you. It is a glorious time! |
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Originally Posted By dcs12345: I guess it might be at my dealer sometime next week…..maybe others that have received them can chime in on their timeline (which I bet is getting longer as more and more people order suppressors) I ordered the day after the injunction took effect. My order status changed from missing-details to preparing to transfer after the first week. I just got a call yesterday from the dealer that it arrived and is waiting for me. Just about a month total waiting time. I'm driving to the dealer this weekend, about a 2.5hr trip. He was the only one on this side of the state that was confirming he would transfer right away. |
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Originally Posted By merick: What happens to your injunction coverage when your GOA membership expires? Renew, but by then I think things will be legal. |
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Originally Posted By tnriverluver: My wife and mine are up for renewal again this year and because of our state laws as well as almost all of our neighboring states we’ve decided not to renew after having one for 30 years. It offers no advantage currently unless traveling through a stupid blue state which we have no future plans on doing. Going to feel weird not having one but here we can carry anything we want loaded and ready to rock. Without a permit! With mine I can walk in and out in about five minutes with a gun. Without it, background check. And system may be slow that day. |
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I haven’t been tracking this thread but for anyone in KC on the Kansas side - Eagle Armory in OP is transferring on a 4473. They are asking that you are GOA members. I didn’t even know the place existed until I started calling around. Great place, tons of inventory. Walked out with 2 cans they had in stock 
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Originally Posted By FreefallRet: Well NC sucks but the dealer said he has been getting back form 4s in 24hrs. My last few have been 12-14 hours. Are any dealers in the "NFA" States letting their customers file form 4s, then letting them leave right then with the can after completing a 4473? In that scenario the customer isn't stuck with a can that can't leave the state and the dealer has it removed from their inventory. Seems like the best of both worlds. |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: My last few have been 12-14 hours. Are any dealers in the "NFA" States letting their customers file form 4s, then letting them leave right then with the can after completing a 4473? In that scenario the customer isn't stuck with a can that can't leave the state and the dealer has it removed from their inventory. Seems like the best of both worlds. Why cant the can leave the state otherwise? IIRC the .20 is not needed for cans or AOWs, right? |
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Originally Posted By CleverNickname: Has any non-FFL here sold an SBR/SBS/silencer/AOW in a non-form 4 transaction to another covered party, notified the NFA branch that they no longer possess the firearm, and received any sort of reply? I believe someone sold a couple cans privately the weekend after the stay ended but I forget who or whether they notified FATF. |
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Originally Posted By notso: Why cant the can leave the state otherwise? IIRC the .20 is not needed for cans or AOWs, right? Originally Posted By notso: Originally Posted By bigbore: My last few have been 12-14 hours. Are any dealers in the "NFA" States letting their customers file form 4s, then letting them leave right then with the can after completing a 4473? In that scenario the customer isn't stuck with a can that can't leave the state and the dealer has it removed from their inventory. Seems like the best of both worlds. Why cant the can leave the state otherwise? IIRC the .20 is not needed for cans or AOWs, right? 5861(j) |
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Originally Posted By notso: Why cant the can leave the state otherwise? IIRC the .20 is not needed for cans or AOWs, right? Someone will correct me if I'm wrong but - Unregistered NFA items cant be transported/sold across state lines. That's why sliencershop will only ship suppressors to dealers on form 3s. |
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Originally Posted By bigbore: My last few have been 12-14 hours. Are any dealers in the "NFA" States letting their customers file form 4s, then letting them leave right then with the can after completing a 4473? In that scenario the customer isn't stuck with a can that can't leave the state and the dealer has it removed from their inventory. Seems like the best of both worlds. Per NC law I would be legal since the item had had the paperwork completed. Still waiting a day isn't a big deal, I once had to wait eight months for approval. Ohio sucks as I was gonna tell my daughter she could get a can for the AR she built, but no they have to be as gay as NC. |
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Originally Posted By CZRider: I believe someone sold a couple cans privately the weekend after the stay ended but I forget who or whether they notified FATF. Originally Posted By CZRider: Originally Posted By CleverNickname: Has any non-FFL here sold an SBR/SBS/silencer/AOW in a non-form 4 transaction to another covered party, notified the NFA branch that they no longer possess the firearm, and received any sort of reply? I believe someone sold a couple cans privately the weekend after the stay ended but I forget who or whether they notified FATF. @Cypher214 |
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Originally Posted By FreefallRet: Ohio sucks as I was gonna tell my daughter she could get a can for the AR she built, but no they have to be as gay as NC. All she needs is a $50 dangerous ordnance license if she doesnt want to do a form 4 in Ohio. |
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