Federal Court Strikes Down NFA Registration on "untaxed" firearms (Page 187 of 195)
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Originally Posted By M4ger: AAC 300 upper on a MARS-L nicely done. Originally Posted By M4ger: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: Not a great pic, but….GOA member here https://i.imgur.com/eXrUBP6.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/SojRZfE.jpeg AAC 300 upper on a MARS-L nicely done. Yes sir! I had a 12.5” AAC, but I sold it. |
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Originally Posted By luv_the_huskers: I am at 5 weeks with nothing I dont really give a flying fornication when I get my card. Ive got my number and the only FFL within 50 miles of me is fine with just having a number. Thing is, the 2 suppressors Ive bought in the last 8 days have all been silencershop suppressors so I didnt even need my GOA number. |
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Originally Posted By Freakinout: Freedom 22 can was a LOT of fun at the ranch Soon Attached File Hopefully 
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Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: lol. You shoot a lot of 400+ grain bullets in your 45's? https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/rifle/45-70-government-gr-sub-x# Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Originally Posted By Cypher214: Originally Posted By SLRBoy: Originally Posted By CZRider: Originally Posted By Glocked: Going dedicated and just leaving them on there makes life and shooting so much more enjoyable lol Once we get on a little more solid legal ground I'm probably going to dedicate a full year of "gun stuff" budget to getting cans for things that need them and supporting ammo/accessories to make it all work. Also I have a sudden and mighty need to see how quiet a .45-70 lever gun can get. Never know when you'll need to do some discreet pest control on an invasive crocodile or errant buffalo or something  I've run all kinds of 45-70 suppressed You can't trade subs for supers and get the performance 45-70 is known for . lol. You shoot a lot of 400+ grain bullets in your 45's? https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/rifle/45-70-government-gr-sub-x# 500gr @ 1070 fps solves a lot Attached File |
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Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: can some one please explain to me how a court ruling can nullify laws and regulations for a certain class and not everyone. if the regulations were found to be unconstitutional that should apply to all legal citizens not just members of a group that sued. while i am 100% happy we got what we got i just can't wrap my head around this. 110% agreed! I'm sure it will require someone with standing, deep pockets, and long arms to sue for it and pray that the judge isn't brain dead. I mean, "shall not be infringed" is as straight forward as it gets, but here we are. |
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Originally Posted By HKH: Yep  24 plan b muzzle devices so far. Short on 1/2 x28 ones too. It will break you. Moving forward with OTC 4473 cans I’m buying dedicated cans for guns. I’ll probably own 10 polonium’s/Ks by the time I’m done. I’ll just rocksett them to the gun and leave it Rocksett and leave it is what im doing with my 4473 poloniums lol |
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Originally Posted By Cypher214: .45ACP-level performance is nothing to sneeze at, as long as it's close range. Originally Posted By Cypher214: Originally Posted By SLRBoy: Originally Posted By CZRider: Originally Posted By Glocked: Going dedicated and just leaving them on there makes life and shooting so much more enjoyable lol Once we get on a little more solid legal ground I'm probably going to dedicate a full year of "gun stuff" budget to getting cans for things that need them and supporting ammo/accessories to make it all work. Also I have a sudden and mighty need to see how quiet a .45-70 lever gun can get. Never know when you'll need to do some discreet pest control on an invasive crocodile or errant buffalo or something I've run all kinds of 45-70 suppressed You can't trade subs for supers and get the performance 45-70 is known for . 230 gr + 175 gr @ .45 ACP +P velocity. Yeah, that's gonna leave a mark a lot farther out than most of us should attempt. |
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Originally Posted By CampFireChef: 500gr @ 1070 fps solves a lot https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/494374/20230905_181357_jpg-3826512.JPG I had originally planned on a Hybrid 46 for my first can for this reason. Yet here we are |
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Originally Posted By DPeacher: 110% agreed! I'm sure it will require someone with standing, deep pockets, and long arms to sue for it and pray that the judge isn't brain dead. I mean, "shall not be infringed" is as straight forward as it gets, but here we are. Originally Posted By DPeacher: Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: can some one please explain to me how a court ruling can nullify laws and regulations for a certain class and not everyone. if the regulations were found to be unconstitutional that should apply to all legal citizens not just members of a group that sued. while i am 100% happy we got what we got i just can't wrap my head around this. 110% agreed! I'm sure it will require someone with standing, deep pockets, and long arms to sue for it and pray that the judge isn't brain dead. I mean, "shall not be infringed" is as straight forward as it gets, but here we are. Agee also. But, reading any gun law doesn’t make any sense for someone that has any common sense at all. |
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Originally Posted By Oldgold: Agee also. But, reading any gun law doesn’t make any sense for someone that has any common sense at all. Originally Posted By Oldgold: Originally Posted By DPeacher: Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: can some one please explain to me how a court ruling can nullify laws and regulations for a certain class and not everyone. if the regulations were found to be unconstitutional that should apply to all legal citizens not just members of a group that sued. while i am 100% happy we got what we got i just can't wrap my head around this. 110% agreed! I'm sure it will require someone with standing, deep pockets, and long arms to sue for it and pray that the judge isn't brain dead. I mean, "shall not be infringed" is as straight forward as it gets, but here we are. Agee also. But, reading any gun law doesn’t make any sense for someone that has any common sense at all. Most laws dealing with anything other than use of a firearm, and certainly almost all of them at the federal level, can and should basically be read like you're either dealing with a child trying to justify why they're allowed to do some idiotic thing that they clearly and obviously shouldn't be doing or a psychopath who probably wants to murder you trying to scam you into signing away your rights in some kind of bullshit consent decree. All it ever is with these people is either childish and moronic "I HATE THAT SO NOBODY CAN HAVE THAT" or some psychopathic compulsion to manipulate and control what other people do. With a small nod to the subset of psychopaths who use the "I'd go out and murder people if I had ____ so I'm sure everyone else would too" justification to arrive at the same shitty place. Oh, actually, I guess SBR/SBS disprove that a little. Those were basically left in because of bureaucratic inertia and spite after the handgun ban that gave them any practical utility was removed from the NFA before it was passed. So that's just an enduring FU from great grandpa's generation at this point. |
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Both the 1934 and 1994 laws were reactions to organized crime. Liquor and drug prohibition created demand, gangs filled the demand. They used guns to protect turf, hence the knee jerk legislation 
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Originally Posted By networkguru: Id like to see more barrels come machined with the Q-taper. It seems to me to be a great idea. Muzzle adapters can easily be made to work with the taper. Probably wouldnt need a crush washer. Direct thread silencers will be more secure. Q-taper direct thead adapters would be cheap. If you want better adapters and QD nothing changes. A simple cheap adapter allows MD's with 90deg shoulders. What's not to like? I plan on the Griffin adapter that uses a standard a2 fh. Fuck spending more on adapters than a can. |
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Originally Posted By mike_nds: Both the 1934 and 1994 laws were reactions to organized crime. Liquor and drug prohibition created demand, gangs filled the demand. They used guns to protect turf, hence the knee jerk legislation Yeah, I'm not that willing to be charitable in their intentions. Too many instances of "whoops there's a social problem better claim power we aren't allowed to have and oppress the citizens forever" and too many solutions that would work better and respect the 2A for it to be well-intentioned fecklessness. |
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Originally Posted By DPeacher: 110% agreed! I'm sure it will require someone with standing, deep pockets, and long arms to sue for it and pray that the judge isn't brain dead. I mean, "shall not be infringed" is as straight forward as it gets, but here we are. Originally Posted By DPeacher: Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer: can some one please explain to me how a court ruling can nullify laws and regulations for a certain class and not everyone. if the regulations were found to be unconstitutional that should apply to all legal citizens not just members of a group that sued. while i am 100% happy we got what we got i just can't wrap my head around this. 110% agreed! I'm sure it will require someone with standing, deep pockets, and long arms to sue for it and pray that the judge isn't brain dead. I mean, "shall not be infringed" is as straight forward as it gets, but here we are. I think getting as many SBRs SBSs and Suppressors legally out in the wild over the next 2 years at least by any means necessary makes it harder to corral them later. Making something illegal after the fact runs into a lot more legal hurdles. As I understand it "reconciliation" where the tax can be reinstated doesn't happen often and effectively means all three entities of House Senate and President are controlled by the same party for a simple majority of over 50 votes to make it pass. Prosecution would likely depend on proving when something was made or otherwise acquired. 4473 might prove that or might not. A lot will depend on whatever rules are put in place by the ATF to mitigate future legal threats. I've said this elsewhere and I want to keep pounding. One thing we need to push from all Republican Presidential Candidates is if elected they pardon on day one all SBR/SBS/Suppressor Federal convictions. I know we have some bad actors that these are add on charges, but I want whatever DOJ is in charge to realize that these are futile to waste time on. ATF and DOJ I no longer trust to not abuse these statutes and to me a blanket pardon is the way to prevent this. |
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Originally Posted By Soxfan: It’s all so tiresome. To get my OTC suppressor, I still had to go through a quick background with the 4473. What does the NICS vs the regular 4473 check do? 4473 has NICS unless you have an eligible exemption 
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Originally Posted By Soxfan: It’s all so tiresome. To get my OTC suppressor, I still had to go through a quick background with the 4473. What does the NICS vs the regular 4473 check do? Idk what you're talking about. All firearm transfers by an FFL require a NICS background check, or verification of a valid CHL/LTC in some states. |
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Originally Posted By Soxfan: It’s all so tiresome. To get my OTC suppressor, I still had to go through a quick background with the 4473. What does the NICS vs the regular 4473 check do? TBI gotta get its hands on that sweet sweet tax on a right even if you’ve got the most involved CCW. If MS ever gets it going -ccw should allow buying a can like a pack of big league chew |
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Originally Posted By M41A: Idk what you're talking about. All firearm transfers by an FFL require a NICS background check, or verification of a valid CHL/LTC in some states. I don't know the rules in your state at least in Tx you have to fill out the 4437 but if you have a carry license they don't need to run NICS as you have already passed a way more intrusive test than nics to get the carry licence. EDIT Reading is fundamental sorry I missed the last part of your post lol |
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Originally Posted By shadycoh: I don't know the rules in your state at least in Tx you have to fill out the 4437 but if you have a carry license they don't need to run it as you have already passed a way more intrusive test than nics to get the carry licence. Oh wow, what all is involved in the test? |
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Originally Posted By M41A: Idk what you're talking about. All firearm transfers by an FFL require a NICS background check, or verification of a valid CHL/LTC in some states. Ok so educate me then, why was the wait time on my form 1 or form 4 the NICS check coming back when it can be done in a normal 4473 in 10 min? Honestly, maybe I’m missing something? |
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Originally Posted By Soxfan: It’s all so tiresome. To get my OTC suppressor, I still had to go through a quick background with the 4473. What does the NICS vs the regular 4473 check do? If they’re not transferred via Form 4. The NICS check is done when you pick it up since they’re treated as regular firearms. If it was done on a Form 4, there is no NICS check required when you pick it up and complete the 4473 since the NICS check was done during the NFA process. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Soxfan: Ok so educate me then, why was the wait time on my form 1 or form 4 the NICS check coming back when it can be done in a normal 4473 in 10 min? Honestly, maybe I’m missing something? Originally Posted By Soxfan: Originally Posted By M41A: Idk what you're talking about. All firearm transfers by an FFL require a NICS background check, or verification of a valid CHL/LTC in some states. Ok so educate me then, why was the wait time on my form 1 or form 4 the NICS check coming back when it can be done in a normal 4473 in 10 min? Honestly, maybe I’m missing something? Form 1 / form 4 is a check on a number of things, including that you follow fatf rules correctly, as well as then sending to the fbi for a background check, which I believe includes a nics check but also runs your fingerprints, etc. more in depth than a standard nics check |
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Originally Posted By Glocked: If they’re not transferred via Form 4. The NICS check is done when you pick it up since they’re treated as regular firearms. If it was done on a Form 4, there is no NICS check required when you pick it up and complete the 4473 since the NICS check was done during the NFA process. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/483179/IMG_2291_jpeg-3826803.JPG Right, but whenever I’ve had long wait times and I call, the ATF says they are waiting on the background check. If it’s the same background check, why does it take the ATF and NFA process so long when at a dealer it’s 10-15 min? |
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Originally Posted By _Matt_: Form 1 / form 4 is a check on a number of things, including that you follow fatf rules correctly, as well as then sending to the fbi for a background check, which I believe includes a nics check but also runs your fingerprints, etc. more in depth than a standard nics check Ahhh, ok that makes more sense. Thank you sir |
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Originally Posted By Soxfan: Right, but whenever I’ve had long wait times and I call, the ATF says they are waiting on the background check. If it’s the same background check, why does it take the ATF and NFA process so long when at a dealer it’s 10-15 min? Originally Posted By Soxfan: Originally Posted By Glocked: If they’re not transferred via Form 4. The NICS check is done when you pick it up since they’re treated as regular firearms. If it was done on a Form 4, there is no NICS check required when you pick it up and complete the 4473 since the NICS check was done during the NFA process. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/483179/IMG_2291_jpeg-3826803.JPG Right, but whenever I’ve had long wait times and I call, the ATF says they are waiting on the background check. If it’s the same background check, why does it take the ATF and NFA process so long when at a dealer it’s 10-15 min? A portion of that is ATF blaming FBI for slow times. Also NICS checks for Title II stuff isn’t prioritized like it is for Title I stuff. |
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Walked in and out of an LGS here in about 30 minutes with these two yesterday. My first 4473 cans and damn even with my last Form 4 suppressor taking 20 hrs, this felt so good. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Airborne11B: Walked in and out of an LGS here in about 30 minutes with these two yesterday. My first 4473 cans and damn even with my last Form 4 suppressor taking 20 hrs, this felt so good. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/102803/IMG_1165_jpeg-3826813.JPG Nice, I’m going back and forth and down rabbit holes between the Tisha and that Flow you’ve got there for my Spear Lt. |
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Originally Posted By shadycoh: I don't know the rules in your state at least in Tx you have to fill out the 4437 but if you have a carry license they don't need to run NICS as you have already passed a way more intrusive test than nics to get the carry licence. What's really stupid is that LEOs, who have been through more background checks than CHL holders, still have to do NICS. At least in Texas. I've never bought a gun or worn a badge in any other state. |
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Originally Posted By Soxfan: Ok so educate me then, why was the wait time on my form 1 or form 4 the NICS check coming back when it can be done in a normal 4473 in 10 min? Honestly, maybe I’m missing something? Originally Posted By Soxfan: Originally Posted By M41A: Idk what you're talking about. All firearm transfers by an FFL require a NICS background check, or verification of a valid CHL/LTC in some states. Ok so educate me then, why was the wait time on my form 1 or form 4 the NICS check coming back when it can be done in a normal 4473 in 10 min? Honestly, maybe I’m missing something? The process was the punishment |
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Originally Posted By Soxfan: Nice, I’m going back and forth and down rabbit holes between the Tisha and that Flow you’ve got there for my Spear Lt. I’ve heard nothing but amazing things about the Tisha, I’ve just never found anyone with one in stock and I’m impatient  |
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Originally Posted By tr6r: I just wish that the powers that be here in Florida would give us some proper guidance...... Can I start putting stocks on my pistols that currently have braces on them? Am I required to fill out a form one? And do I need to do any other engraving other than what the pistols originally came with? Why are you waiting on guidance? You should be able to read the ruling and figure out if you’re covered by being in one of the plaintiff groups. If you are, then you don’t need permission. |
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Originally Posted By willi3d: Why are you waiting on guidance? You should be able to read the ruling and figure out if you’re covered by being in one of the plaintiff groups. If you are, then you don’t need permission. Originally Posted By willi3d: Originally Posted By tr6r: I just wish that the powers that be here in Florida would give us some proper guidance...... Can I start putting stocks on my pistols that currently have braces on them? Am I required to fill out a form one? And do I need to do any other engraving other than what the pistols originally came with? Why are you waiting on guidance? You should be able to read the ruling and figure out if you’re covered by being in one of the plaintiff groups. If you are, then you don’t need permission. This. Join two of the plaintiff organizations to be covered by both parts of the decision, read the statutes that NO LONGER APPLY, and proceed as to the limits of your conscious. |
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Originally Posted By CZRider: Yeah, I'm not that willing to be charitable in their intentions. Too many instances of "whoops there's a social problem better claim power we aren't allowed to have and oppress the citizens forever" and too many solutions that would work better and respect the 2A for it to be well-intentioned fecklessness. Originally Posted By CZRider: Originally Posted By mike_nds: Both the 1934 and 1994 laws were reactions to organized crime. Liquor and drug prohibition created demand, gangs filled the demand. They used guns to protect turf, hence the knee jerk legislation Yeah, I'm not that willing to be charitable in their intentions. Too many instances of "whoops there's a social problem better claim power we aren't allowed to have and oppress the citizens forever" and too many solutions that would work better and respect the 2A for it to be well-intentioned fecklessness. You are correct. The NFA was passed a bit over 16 months after Prohibition was repealed and any gangsters would've long since had their black market dried up by new legal production. The NFA exists purely because Prohibition failed, they had a bunch of BIR agents suddenly had nothing to do, and what were they going to do...just not crush the people's rights and fire them all? lol |
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Originally Posted By Freyja_75: What's really stupid is that LEOs, who have been through more background checks than CHL holders, still have to do NICS. At least in Texas. I've never bought a gun or worn a badge in any other state. Originally Posted By Freyja_75: Originally Posted By shadycoh: I don't know the rules in your state at least in Tx you have to fill out the 4437 but if you have a carry license they don't need to run NICS as you have already passed a way more intrusive test than nics to get the carry licence. What's really stupid is that LEOs, who have been through more background checks than CHL holders, still have to do NICS. At least in Texas. I've never bought a gun or worn a badge in any other state. I had Secret clearance for work at my last job (and thanks to that my information has been leaked multiple times because Daddy Gov isn't great at network security). Still gotta do the same thing. It's all so tiresome. |
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Originally Posted By tr6r: I just wish that the powers that be here in Florida would give us some proper guidance...... Can I start putting stocks on my pistols that currently have braces on them? Am I required to fill out a form one? And do I need to do any other engraving other than what the pistols originally came with? The judges in SSF and Jensen have already provided all of the guidance required. |
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Originally Posted By mike_nds: Both the 1934 and 1994 laws were reactions to organized crime. Liquor and drug prohibition created demand, gangs filled the demand. They used guns to protect turf, hence the knee jerk legislation Originally Posted By mike_nds: Both the 1934 and 1994 laws were reactions to organized crime. Liquor and drug prohibition created demand, gangs filled the demand. They used guns to protect turf, hence the knee jerk legislation I’m an old school nds customer. Should I buy an H&R? How does it compare to my old school Colt stuff? Originally Posted By lorazepam: I plan on the Griffin adapter that uses a standard a2 fh. Fuck spending more on adapters than a can. I already sold a F4 can and ordered an A2S-QD lol |
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Originally Posted By Tamarit_167: Oh wow, what all is involved in the test? Originally Posted By Tamarit_167: Originally Posted By shadycoh: I don't know the rules in your state at least in Tx you have to fill out the 4437 but if you have a carry license they don't need to run it as you have already passed a way more intrusive test than nics to get the carry licence. Oh wow, what all is involved in the test? The (really easy) shooting test has nothing to do with it, it's the fact that the Texas LTC has a Brady-compliant background check as part of the licensing process. |
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Originally Posted By tet493: I’m an old school nds customer. Should I buy an H&R? How does it compare to my old school Colt stuff? I already sold a F4 can an ordered an A2S-QD lol Other than some inconsistency in the gray ano lately, I think they stack up well. |
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Originally Posted By EFB16ACRX: Rocksett and leave it is what im doing with my 4473 poloniums lol You guys don't take the suppressor off to clean the barrel? I guess if you just run a boresnake through it, but I would be afraid of losing a patch in a sealed suppressor. |
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Originally Posted By willi3d: Why are you waiting on guidance? You should be able to read the ruling and figure out if you’re covered by being in one of the plaintiff groups. If you are, then you don’t need permission. I've read the ruling...... My interpretation is that I can swap out my pistol braces for stocks.... I'm also not a lawyer.... I've also read the Constitution..... Yet how many people are there in prison for unconstitutional gun laws.... I don't want to be one of them.. |
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Originally Posted By tr6r: I've read the ruling...... My interpretation is that I can swap out my pistol braces for stocks.... I'm also not a lawyer.... I've also read the Constitution..... Yet how many people are there in prison for unconstitutional gun laws.... I don't want to be one of them.. Just do what you think is best. |
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