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1/16/2025 6:11:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: sirocco][Edited]
Fiber finally came to our area, but the vendor wants a hold harmless agreement signed before installation that states they won't be liable for any damages to basically anything on my property, septic, well, driveway, propane line, fence (!) doing the install. I asked them to revise the statement to be only held harmless for anything that either isn't staked/flagged or included on the install site plan they requested (on which they state they won't be liable for anything not indicated or flagged), but they told me to pound sand. From what I've been able to find on the topic, the hold harmless agreement would absolve them even in the case of negligence (and you'd have to be negligent to drill thru a marked septic tank), so it seems fiber is less attractive than taking the risk, however small, of them damaging everything.

Long-time lurker, first-time poster, and my chili has beans in it cos the wife likes them.

EDIT: Forgot to ask the question: Does this look like a bad risk to take to you?
1/16/2025 7:00:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sirocco:
Fiber finally came to our area, but the vendor wants a hold harmless agreement signed before installation that states they won't be liable for any damages to basically anything on my property, septic, well, driveway, propane line, fence (!) doing the install. I asked them to revise the statement to be only held harmless for anything that either isn't staked/flagged or included on the install site plan they requested (on which they state they won't be liable for anything not indicated or flagged), but they told me to pound sand. From what I've been able to find on the topic, the hold harmless agreement would absolve them even in the case of negligence (and you'd have to be negligent to drill thru a marked septic tank), so it seems fiber is less attractive than taking the risk, however small, of them damaging everything.

Long-time lurker, first-time poster, and my chili has beans in it cos the wife likes them.

EDIT: Forgot to ask the question: Does this look like a bad risk to take to you?
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I live in Rural Southern Mo and one of the largest Cable Cos is laying fiber in the more populated subdivisions that have not had it till this point.  In doing so, they cut this guys sprinklers and low voltage lighting wires around his house several different times.

He was telling me the horror story of them sending out crews with the wrong equipment a half a dozen times, they all get onsite and stand around for 45 mins till someone figured out what they were supposed to be doing and that they had the wrong crew/tools.

They were a contractor for the Cable Co.

Not the 1st or even 5th one of these I've heard of this year.

LARUEMINATI
NRA Endowment Life Member
Originally Posted By Boom_Stick:
""AKs are for villagers you have to tell not to shit in their water supply.""
1/16/2025 7:28:22 PM EDT
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I'll start with...fiber internet I'd fantastic.  BUT the providers are an absolute monopoly and heavily protected.  

I live in a master planned community with utility easements.  So when install came, there was no choice.  The fiber company (ATT) hires nothing but contractors for this work.  Helps build legal layers away from them.  Throughout our 1600 home neighborhood they broke hundreds of fences, gas lines, comm lines, power lines, everything you can thing of.  They killed tons of trees and left mountains of trash and crap all over.  A good amount of the damage was OUTSIDE of easements.  The contractors don't give a fuck.  

People spent well over a year trying to get things fixed, replaced, etc.

Funny enough, now no one's remembers all that shit.

You are smart to be cautious and I would consult an actual attorney.
1/16/2025 9:16:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ag04blast:
I'll start with...fiber internet I'd fantastic.  BUT the providers are an absolute monopoly and heavily protected.  

I live in a master planned community with utility easements.  So when install came, there was no choice.  The fiber company (ATT) hires nothing but contractors for this work.  Helps build legal layers away from them.  Throughout our 1600 home neighborhood they broke hundreds of fences, gas lines, comm lines, power lines, everything you can thing of.  They killed tons of trees and left mountains of trash and crap all over.  A good amount of the damage was OUTSIDE of easements.  The contractors don't give a fuck.  

People spent well over a year trying to get things fixed, replaced, etc.

Funny enough, now no one's remembers all that shit.

You are smart to be cautious and I would consult an actual attorney.
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This! They don't care about the damage. They hit a few waterlines in my small neighborhood. Down the road they hit a sewer line which destroyed a driveway.

I wouldn't let them touch my property without liability for their own negligence.
1/16/2025 9:17:58 PM EDT
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Starlink!
1/16/2025 9:48:08 PM EDT
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I guess that's one point I hadn't considered. The company already had contractors run the line down our road; thankfully on the other side. I didn't hear anyone complain about damage during that and they seemed like they knew what they were doing. I'll bet they have contractors do the end run from the street to the house, and the document wants them to be absolved of all blame should *that* contractor screw up, but of course, no one at the company could say such a thing because it looks stupid to ask for protection from the stupidity of the people you hire. Really confidence inspiring.

A call to them again asking to confirm a contractor is doing the digging, and would still be on the hook even if the fiber company itself isn't, and I might pull the trigger after all, so long as I have someone to sue. Not that I'll be letting them on the property unsupervised, or letting them dig anywhere near the septic field/tank/well/propane/etc.
1/16/2025 10:21:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By sirocco:
I guess that's one point I hadn't considered. The company already had contractors run the line down our road; thankfully on the other side. I didn't hear anyone complain about damage during that and they seemed like they knew what they were doing. I'll bet they have contractors do the end run from the street to the house, and the document wants them to be absolved of all blame should *that* contractor screw up, but of course, no one at the company could say such a thing because it looks stupid to ask for protection from the stupidity of the people you hire. Really confidence inspiring.

A call to them again asking to confirm a contractor is doing the digging, and would still be on the hook even if the fiber company itself isn't, and I might pull the trigger after all, so long as I have someone to sue. Not that I'll be letting them on the property unsupervised, or letting them dig anywhere near the septic field/tank/well/propane/etc.
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I would have everything located and take pics of it from several angles..
LARUEMINATI
NRA Endowment Life Member
Originally Posted By Boom_Stick:
""AKs are for villagers you have to tell not to shit in their water supply.""
1/16/2025 10:40:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By smullen:
I live in Rural Southern Mo and one of the largest Cable Cos is laying fiber in the more populated subdivisions that have not had it till this point.  In doing so, they cut this guys sprinklers and low voltage lighting wires around his house several different times.

He was telling me the horror story of them sending out crews with the wrong equipment a half a dozen times, they all get onsite and stand around for 45 mins till someone figured out what they were supposed to be doing and that they had the wrong crew/tools.

They were a contractor for the Cable Co.

Not the 1st or even 5th one of these I've heard of this year.

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Originally Posted By smullen:
Originally Posted By sirocco:
Fiber finally came to our area, but the vendor wants a hold harmless agreement signed before installation that states they won't be liable for any damages to basically anything on my property, septic, well, driveway, propane line, fence (!) doing the install. I asked them to revise the statement to be only held harmless for anything that either isn't staked/flagged or included on the install site plan they requested (on which they state they won't be liable for anything not indicated or flagged), but they told me to pound sand. From what I've been able to find on the topic, the hold harmless agreement would absolve them even in the case of negligence (and you'd have to be negligent to drill thru a marked septic tank), so it seems fiber is less attractive than taking the risk, however small, of them damaging everything.

Long-time lurker, first-time poster, and my chili has beans in it cos the wife likes them.

EDIT: Forgot to ask the question: Does this look like a bad risk to take to you?
I live in Rural Southern Mo and one of the largest Cable Cos is laying fiber in the more populated subdivisions that have not had it till this point.  In doing so, they cut this guys sprinklers and low voltage lighting wires around his house several different times.

He was telling me the horror story of them sending out crews with the wrong equipment a half a dozen times, they all get onsite and stand around for 45 mins till someone figured out what they were supposed to be doing and that they had the wrong crew/tools.

They were a contractor for the Cable Co.

Not the 1st or even 5th one of these I've heard of this year.



I kicked 'em out & fixered myself - was too painful to watch.

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