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Posted: 4/4/2023 7:48:03 AM EST
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Posted: 4/4/2023 7:49:56 AM EST
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Posted: 4/4/2023 7:50:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sshhhh . . . . . . Shhh . . . . . . . . Come closer . . . . . . . Come closer I defended democracy and human rights in dc  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Are you still patting yourself on the back for your brave service at the J6 “uprising” in DC Sshhhh . . . . . . Shhh . . . . . . . . Come closer . . . . . . . Come closer I defended democracy and human rights in dc  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 7:51:42 AM EST
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Posted: 4/4/2023 7:55:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck Russia, but fuck I'm here. Different forms of Fascism. Still authoritarian BS. From both. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 8:02:48 AM EST
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Posted: 4/4/2023 8:08:33 AM EST
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Posted: 4/4/2023 8:09:52 AM EST
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Posted: 4/4/2023 8:14:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Finland should be a useful member. I'll bet they pony up more than the required contribution too. https://brian.carnell.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/select-all-images-finnish-snipers-920x1024.jpg Finland Buys New Rifles from SAKO/Beretta Defense  Left to right: Franco Gussali Beretta, President Chairman of Sako Board; Jari Mikkonen, Director of FDF Logistics Command; Jonas Lotsne, Head of FMV; and Raimo Karjalainen, CEO Member of Sako Board. (Photo: Sako)    "dON't pOKe dA bEAr." - LOL! |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 8:21:58 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm here. Different forms of Fascism. Still authoritarian BS. From both. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fuck Russia, but fuck I'm here. Different forms of Fascism. Still authoritarian BS. From both. Well, less fascist-authoritarian than CA, OR, WA, IL, NY, NJ, MA, CT, MD, DE, RI, etc. regarding MSR ownership in Finland, France (yes, France), Germany, Italy, Czech Republic, Slovenia, Spain, Belgium, Poland, Sweden, Finland, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, etc.. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 8:23:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want an RK-62 or M92. They go between about $2500 and $3000 plus a few hundred for export/import permits and shipping. If the barrel is in decent shape, they sell pretty fast. There's one. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 8:23:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm here. Different forms of Fascism. Still authoritarian BS. From both. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fuck Russia, but fuck I'm here. Different forms of Fascism. Still authoritarian BS. From both. Define Fascism. I see this word chucked around by both sides with wanton abandon. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 8:26:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Finland Buys New Rifles from SAKO/Beretta Defense https://images.guns.com/prod/2023/03/30/64252676ef076d2fae761d2c513260e192bf1f6f8fb16.jpg Left to right: Franco Gussali Beretta, President Chairman of Sako Board; Jari Mikkonen, Director of FDF Logistics Command; Jonas Lotsne, Head of FMV; and Raimo Karjalainen, CEO Member of Sako Board. (Photo: Sako) https://images.guns.com/prod/2023/03/30/642526af675771cda840d3e1456b8534f275a17ea22bd.jpg https://images.guns.com/prod/2023/03/30/642526bdd869cba6874a2797593bc9fb833a2d93b0036.jpg "dON't pOKe dA bEAr." - LOL! |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 8:29:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anything's possible. Do you think its likely? I seem to recall you being in favor of Finland joining NATO. I'm not an expert on Finnish politics, so it is difficult for me to put a percentage on it. However I know that response of Europe to the Gates Declaration has been to increase the American burden for what are fundamentally Euro defense problems. That's non sustainable for the US, but the Euros have even fewer options, budgetarily and demographically than us, so here we are. Now, the Swedes and Finns will be as close to turn key accession on the practical integration as imaginable, unlike the majority of new NATO accessions, even 25 years into the process. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 8:30:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Take a look at what each NATO country spends and where they are located. The mooches (with the exception of Turkey) are far from Russia: Luxembourg (0.58%), Belgium (1.18%), Spain (1.01%), Canada (1.27%), Germany (1.44%) Now look (with the exception of Turkey) at what the countries close to Russia spend on defense: Poland (2.42%), Lithuania (2.36%), Latvia (2.10%), Estonia (2.34%), and now Finland (2.25%) Russia has a long and ugly history of trying to eat their neighbors, so their neighbors are steadily learning that spending on their militaries and having friends is a good thing. 2.36% of the Lithuanian budget isn't much capacity or capability. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 8:30:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They go between about $2500 and $3000 plus a few hundred for export/import permits and shipping. If the barrel is in decent shape, they sell pretty fast. There's one. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I want an RK-62 or M92. They go between about $2500 and $3000 plus a few hundred for export/import permits and shipping. If the barrel is in decent shape, they sell pretty fast. There's one. Unimportable into the USA thanks to Bush Sr. The closest we have are pre-1989 M62s which are in excess of $5,000. When I worked at Beretta, I proposed a project to Franco Beretta (pictured in my previous post) to make the Rk92 here (2007) - 922r compliant. SAKO couldn't locate the tooling - that's why Finland bought over 200 Norinco AKs for their reserves back in 2005 (I think). I also discussed the project with Raimo who is also pictured in the same photo. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 8:32:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Missing out on a Sako Not me, Mine is a lowly M39 though. I’d love a TRG in 6.5x55 if I could get one without being raped. .308, .260, 6.5 Creedmoor are available. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 8:32:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those designs... they seem familiar. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Finland Buys New Rifles from SAKO/Beretta Defense https://images.guns.com/prod/2023/03/30/64252676ef076d2fae761d2c513260e192bf1f6f8fb16.jpg Left to right: Franco Gussali Beretta, President Chairman of Sako Board; Jari Mikkonen, Director of FDF Logistics Command; Jonas Lotsne, Head of FMV; and Raimo Karjalainen, CEO Member of Sako Board. (Photo: Sako) https://images.guns.com/prod/2023/03/30/6425269b10496cc8eee91a3663905b5a97206941d63e6.jpg https://images.guns.com/prod/2023/03/30/642526af675771cda840d3e1456b8534f275a17ea22bd.jpg https://images.guns.com/prod/2023/03/30/642526bdd869cba6874a2797593bc9fb833a2d93b0036.jpg "dON't pOKe dA bEAr." - LOL! They (HK, Sako, etc, etc) all copied the great Stoner (and Sullivan) design and claim it as their own! |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 8:39:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Finland Buys New Rifles from SAKO/Beretta Defense https://images.guns.com/prod/2023/03/30/64252676ef076d2fae761d2c513260e192bf1f6f8fb16.jpg Left to right: Franco Gussali Beretta, President Chairman of Sako Board; Jari Mikkonen, Director of FDF Logistics Command; Jonas Lotsne, Head of FMV; and Raimo Karjalainen, CEO Member of Sako Board. (Photo: Sako) https://images.guns.com/prod/2023/03/30/6425269b10496cc8eee91a3663905b5a97206941d63e6.jpg https://images.guns.com/prod/2023/03/30/642526af675771cda840d3e1456b8534f275a17ea22bd.jpg https://images.guns.com/prod/2023/03/30/642526bdd869cba6874a2797593bc9fb833a2d93b0036.jpg "dON't pOKe dA bEAr." - LOL! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Finland should be a useful member. I'll bet they pony up more than the required contribution too. https://brian.carnell.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/select-all-images-finnish-snipers-920x1024.jpg Finland Buys New Rifles from SAKO/Beretta Defense https://images.guns.com/prod/2023/03/30/64252676ef076d2fae761d2c513260e192bf1f6f8fb16.jpg Left to right: Franco Gussali Beretta, President Chairman of Sako Board; Jari Mikkonen, Director of FDF Logistics Command; Jonas Lotsne, Head of FMV; and Raimo Karjalainen, CEO Member of Sako Board. (Photo: Sako) https://images.guns.com/prod/2023/03/30/6425269b10496cc8eee91a3663905b5a97206941d63e6.jpg https://images.guns.com/prod/2023/03/30/642526af675771cda840d3e1456b8534f275a17ea22bd.jpg https://images.guns.com/prod/2023/03/30/642526bdd869cba6874a2797593bc9fb833a2d93b0036.jpg "dON't pOKe dA bEAr." - LOL! I look forward to surplus Finnish 7.62 Nato ammo. Nammo Oy Lapua please. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 8:45:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I look forward to surplus Finnish 7.62 Nato ammo. Nammo Oy Lapua please. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Finland should be a useful member. I'll bet they pony up more than the required contribution too. https://brian.carnell.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/select-all-images-finnish-snipers-920x1024.jpg Finland Buys New Rifles from SAKO/Beretta Defense https://images.guns.com/prod/2023/03/30/64252676ef076d2fae761d2c513260e192bf1f6f8fb16.jpg Left to right: Franco Gussali Beretta, President Chairman of Sako Board; Jari Mikkonen, Director of FDF Logistics Command; Jonas Lotsne, Head of FMV; and Raimo Karjalainen, CEO Member of Sako Board. (Photo: Sako) https://images.guns.com/prod/2023/03/30/6425269b10496cc8eee91a3663905b5a97206941d63e6.jpg https://images.guns.com/prod/2023/03/30/642526af675771cda840d3e1456b8534f275a17ea22bd.jpg https://images.guns.com/prod/2023/03/30/642526bdd869cba6874a2797593bc9fb833a2d93b0036.jpg "dON't pOKe dA bEAr." - LOL! I look forward to surplus Finnish 7.62 Nato ammo. Nammo Oy Lapua please. I have vivid memories of a Valmet M62 in a local gun shop around 1981 and 82. It sat on the shelf for years - butterfly metal buttstock, swiss cheese hole handguard, bicycle grip type pistol grip, etc. I came close to buying it at $800 (BIG money then) but the only ammo for it was from Lapua at $1/round. That killed it for me. Even after the Maadi AK came in around 1982, there still was no cheap supply until Chinese AKs flooded in with ammo in the mid-1980s. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 8:59:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2.36% of the Lithuanian budget isn't much capacity or capability. “Much capacity” isn’t the requirement. Let’s not move goalposts. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 9:12:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Okay give us your mortar boxes plz Quote HistoryAnd pix of the former PMs leather starfish please and thanks. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 9:17:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Upset Russia can't invade more people? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: North Atlantic Terrorist Organization Upset Russia can't invade more people? With all of their superior weaponry and highly-trained extra personnel currently sitting the bench waiting to be put in? |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 9:20:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With all of their superior weaponry and highly-trained extra personnel currently sitting the bench waiting to be put in? I could have almost believed that Putin would have been arrogant enough to send in the B team at first. But once his plan started going to shit, surely he would have sent in the 1st line units if that were the case? |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 9:28:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I look forward to surplus Finnish 7.62 Nato ammo. Nammo Oy Lapua please. While the Rks will be stored and then most likely melted, surplus JVA 0316 might actually happen (in maybe 10 years from now). It is rather nice ammo, most lots are sub-MOA in good condition Sako barrels, way tighter than acceptance criteria. There is a recurring April Fools news story circulating among Finnish reservists of the FDF issuing surplus ammo to reservist personal use at all local garrisons on April 1st. Every year someone goes just on the off chance that some new guy is guarding the ammo depot and won't know it's a joke. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 9:35:52 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unimportable into the USA thanks to Bush Sr. The closest we have are pre-1989 M62s which are in excess of $5,000. When I worked at Beretta, I proposed a project to Franco Beretta (pictured in my previous post) to make the Rk92 here (2007) - 922r compliant. SAKO couldn't locate the tooling - that's why Finland bought over 200 Norinco AKs for their reserves back in 2005 (I think). I also discussed the project with Raimo who is also pictured in the same photo. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I want an RK-62 or M92. They go between about $2500 and $3000 plus a few hundred for export/import permits and shipping. If the barrel is in decent shape, they sell pretty fast. There's one. Unimportable into the USA thanks to Bush Sr. The closest we have are pre-1989 M62s which are in excess of $5,000. When I worked at Beretta, I proposed a project to Franco Beretta (pictured in my previous post) to make the Rk92 here (2007) - 922r compliant. SAKO couldn't locate the tooling - that's why Finland bought over 200 Norinco AKs for their reserves back in 2005 (I think). I also discussed the project with Raimo who is also pictured in the same photo. That’s the saddest story I’ve heard today. Either way, I said I wanted one, not that I could afford one, LOL. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 10:16:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, less fascist-authoritarian than CA, OR, WA, IL, NY, NJ, MA, CT, MD, DE, RI, etc. regarding MSR ownership in Finland, France (yes, France), Germany, Italy, Czech Republic, Slovenia, Spain, Belgium, Poland, Sweden, Finland, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, etc.. I love you're defending the EU now. You get that it was conceived as a neo-Trotskyite project to serve as a counter-balance to the US? |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 10:20:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They openly stated they wanted to reclaim all former Soviet and Imperial Russian lands. Finland was once one of those. So was NY City guess who funded the Bolsheviks |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 10:21:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: “Much capacity” isn’t the requirement. Let’s not move goalposts. These are the practical realities that military personnel need to address. Its great that the Balts do their 2%, and they provide value added in a number of ways, but the reality is that 10 tiny nations providing 2% doesn't buy much, other than increasing the ease of US forces to enter the battlespace. Additionally, the 2% of these countries is pretty much territorial defense in the best case, and provides little in the way of advanced mechanized or out of area capability. Even then, there significant mobility challenges in these areas. The Balts and Poland would likely be spending 2%+ on their defense in any event. That 2% just buys them mammoth American firepower, bodies and money. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 10:25:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love you're defending the EU now. You get that it was conceived as a neo-Trotskyite project to serve as a counter-balance to the US? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well, less fascist-authoritarian than CA, OR, WA, IL, NY, NJ, MA, CT, MD, DE, RI, etc. regarding MSR ownership in Finland, France (yes, France), Germany, Italy, Czech Republic, Slovenia, Spain, Belgium, Poland, Sweden, Finland, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, etc.. I love you're defending the EU now. You get that it was conceived as a neo-Trotskyite project to serve as a counter-balance to the US? I'm NOT defending the leftist-globalist EU at all. Just putting things in perspective of how bad things are for us which many here don't realize because they live in a free state. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 10:27:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryThank you Vladimir Putin! He managed something that the West has wanted, but failed to do for over 50 years - get Finland to Join NATO. Amazing! 
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Posted: 4/4/2023 10:32:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you Vladimir Putin! He managed something that the West has wanted, but failed to do for over 50 years - get Finland to Join NATO. Amazing! It is interesting that Putin would have likely been able to preserve the Russian sphere of influence far better had he continued in the grey space area than just trying Blitzkreig V3.4, the MS-DOS 4.0 of invasions. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 10:33:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: While the Rks will be stored and then most likely melted, surplus JVA 0316 might actually happen (in maybe 10 years from now). It is rather nice ammo, most lots are sub-MOA in good condition Sako barrels, way tighter than acceptance criteria. There is a recurring April Fools news story circulating among Finnish reservists of the FDF issuing surplus ammo to reservist personal use at all local garrisons on April 1st. Every year someone goes just on the off chance that some new guy is guarding the ammo depot and won't know it's a joke. Its not joke anymore. Law changed and now military ammo and full auto guns can be used in reserve shooting events. National defence training orgs had hard time getting ammo due to covid and war, so law was changed and we are dipping into military cookie jar and will shoot out all the 7,62x39 ammo and wear out all the old RK barrels to speed up migration to ARs. Sorry, no surplus for you..  |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 10:38:46 AM EST
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Good. Finland can take our place so we can get the hell out of NATO. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 10:42:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Define Fascism. I see this word chucked around by both sides with wanton abandon. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fuck Russia, but fuck I'm here. Different forms of Fascism. Still authoritarian BS. From both. Define Fascism. I see this word chucked around by both sides with wanton abandon. It usually means the person doesn't like the thing, and so it's facist |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 10:44:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you Vladimir Putin! He managed something that the West has wanted, but failed to do for over 50 years - get Finland to Join NATO. Amazing! Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you Vladimir Putin! He managed something that the West has wanted, but failed to do for over 50 years - get Finland to Join NATO. Amazing! Trying to create Soviet Union 2.0 hasn’t turned out as planned so far. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 10:44:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is interesting that Putin would have likely been able to preserve the Russian sphere of influence far better had he continued in the grey space area than just trying Blitzkreig V3.4, the MS-DOS 4.0 of invasions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Thank you Vladimir Putin! He managed something that the West has wanted, but failed to do for over 50 years - get Finland to Join NATO. Amazing! It is interesting that Putin would have likely been able to preserve the Russian sphere of influence far better had he continued in the grey space area than just trying Blitzkreig V3.4, the MS-DOS 4.0 of invasions. Agreed. It's kind of weird. Wonder what changed - is he feeling his mortality, trying to rush his glorious legacy? |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 10:46:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It usually means the person doesn't like the thing, and so it's facist Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fuck Russia, but fuck I'm here. Different forms of Fascism. Still authoritarian BS. From both. Define Fascism. I see this word chucked around by both sides with wanton abandon. It usually means the person doesn't like the thing, and so it's facist Totally agree. Throwing the same word back at your enemy doesn't really work. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 10:51:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed. It's kind of weird. Wonder what changed - is he feeling his mortality, trying to rush his glorious legacy? Personally, I think he guessed that the West wouldn't intervene on what Putin perceives is outside the West's core interest area, and that Russia had to redeem a gradually failing position of influence within Ukraine proper (i.e. economic issues in occupied Eastern provinces, water shortages in Crimea, fewer Russian controlled politicians and business figures within the country) and he was facing no better opponent than Biden. People tend to think this is Hitler 2.0 wanting to redraw the Continental system, when its actually closer to Kim Il Sung, 1950. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 10:58:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy shit. How much does the FSB pay you? No one with a half a brain believes that bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: They openly stated they wanted to reclaim all former Soviet and Imperial Russian lands. Finland was once one of those. Who is they? Putin stated this? Putin has clearly stated they dont desire to take over Ukraine. Holy shit. How much does the FSB pay you? No one with a half a brain believes that bullshit. Actually, he's right - for the wrong reasons. Putin doesn't want to take over Ukraine, he wants to eliminate all Ukrainians and make it Russia. If it's Russia, it isn't Ukraine. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 11:13:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Personally, I think he guessed that the West wouldn't intervene on what Putin perceives is outside the West's core interest area, and that Russia had to redeem a gradually failing position of influence within Ukraine proper (i.e. economic issues in occupied Eastern provinces, water shortages in Crimea, fewer Russian controlled politicians and business figures within the country) and he was facing no better opponent than Biden. People tend to think this is Hitler 2.0 wanting to redraw the Continental system, when its actually closer to Kim Il Sung, 1950. I'm inclined to agree. He probably thought that the Ukraine invasion would shake out like Georgia invasion did. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 11:19:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Great, we will have to pay for them too |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 11:24:04 AM EST
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Posted: 4/4/2023 11:34:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed. It's kind of weird. Wonder what changed - is he feeling his mortality, trying to rush his glorious legacy? Xi Jingping is 1 year younger and he seems headed down an uncharacteristically rushed behavior for the Chinese. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 11:58:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its not joke anymore. - - Sorry, no surplus for you.. It's no joke if I actually can walk in an ammo depot and get issued ammo to shoot in my personal weapon. Or to check out the rifle and the ammo to go on the range on my own time (like with Kaitseliit). We have still a lot to do to reach the level of support for active reservists that Estonia has. Perhaps that will happen, but I won't be holding my breath. IMHO it is more important that in a SHTF situation FDF standard full scale issue ammo would be 5.56 and compatible with more personal weapons. Thus far it is issued only to SOF of various kinds (and Border Guards). |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 12:04:39 PM EST
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Iran type of response - retaliate in future https://tass.com/politics/1599383
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Posted: 4/4/2023 12:18:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: CoC 7 - Trolling. This is epicly shitty to delete. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 12:39:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is epicly shitty to delete. |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 2:46:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: CoC 7 - Trolling. CoC 6 |
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Posted: 4/4/2023 2:47:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Upset Russia can't invade more people? Such insightful. Many knowledge. |
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