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Posted: 8/27/2024 12:46:26 PM EST
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I do not know if NASA has revealed who will go up on Crew-9. Someone already called it but the Russian should go to make up their complement of people. Then the female commander will go.
As to when things will happen Starliner has to depart prior to Crew-9 arriving. I will assume that Starliner will depart and be clear of the station...and possible back on Earth...prior to Crew-9 launching. Emergency departure of Butch and Suni would be on the Crew-8 Dragon, although I do not know the specifics. They would not have Dragon IVA suits unless there is one onboard the ISS (There is one spare IVA suit on the ISS). Perhaps they get strapped to the cargo pallet area below the four main seats. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 12:57:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryCan we get a welfare check on thunderf00t? |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 12:59:42 PM EST
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So what are the long term health risks on these 2 that have been trapped up there? The long term exposure to radiation and weightlessness.
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Posted: 8/27/2024 1:17:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So what are the long term health risks on these 2 that have been trapped up there? The long term exposure to radiation and weightlessness. Nothing not already known. Sunni has damn near a year of flight time already. They are as safe as any other ISS crew. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 1:35:04 PM EST
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Posted: 8/27/2024 6:26:23 PM EST
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Posted: 8/27/2024 9:35:49 PM EST
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Posted: 8/29/2024 11:20:12 AM EST
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I do not have the source and it may have been before the press conference last Saturday but I did see a 6 September 2024 undocking or return date for the uncrewed Starliner.
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Posted: 8/29/2024 11:27:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I do not have the source and it may have been before the press conference last Saturday but I did see a 6 September 2024 undocking or return date for the uncrewed Starliner.
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Posted: 8/30/2024 7:43:05 AM EST
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Starliner return from ISS set for Sept. 6
"Boeing’s CST-100 Starliner will depart from the International Space Station Sept. 6, ending a three-month flight that saw the spacecraft unable to demonstrate its ability to safely return astronauts from orbit. NASA announced Aug. 29 that the agency and Boeing completed a readiness review for the upcoming uncrewed departure of Starliner. That review confirmed plans for bringing the spacecraft back to Earth from the ISS. Those plans call for Starliner to undock from the station at 6:04 p.m. Eastern Sept. 6. It will move away from the station and then perform a deorbit burn, setting up a landing at White Sands Space Harbor in New Mexico at 12:03 a.m. Eastern Sept. 7, or six hours after undocking." |
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Posted: 8/30/2024 9:55:01 AM EST
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Crew-9 change confirmed, relating to the uncrewed Starliner CFT return. "NASA astronaut Nick Hague and Roscosmos cosmonaut Aleksandr Gorbunov will launch no earlier than Tuesday, Sept. 24, on the agency’s SpaceX Crew-9 mission to the International Space Station. NASA astronauts Zena Cardman and Stephanie Wilson, previously announced as crewmates, are eligible for reassignment on a future mission." |
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Posted: 8/30/2024 1:44:04 PM EST
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So between Sep 6 when Starliner leaves and Sep 25 when Dragon Crew-9 arrives, it sounds like there won't be enough lifeboat seats available to leave the ISS if something went wrong. Am I reading that right?
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Posted: 8/30/2024 2:23:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So between Sep 6 when Starliner leaves and Sep 25 when Dragon Crew-9 arrives, it sounds like there won't be enough lifeboat seats available to leave the ISS if something went wrong. Am I reading that right? Crew 8's Dragon has space for them, just no seats installed so they'd just be laying on the floor in the cargo area. I don't know if Space X has ever tested the configuration with more than 4 on board. |
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Posted: 8/30/2024 3:29:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Starliner return from ISS set for Sept. 6 "Boeing’s CST-100 Starliner will depart from the International Space Station Sept. 6, ending a three-month flight that saw the spacecraft unable to demonstrate its ability to safely return astronauts from orbit. NASA announced Aug. 29 that the agency and Boeing completed a readiness review for the upcoming uncrewed departure of Starliner. That review confirmed plans for bringing the spacecraft back to Earth from the ISS. Those plans call for Starliner to undock from the station at 6:04 p.m. Eastern Sept. 6. It will move away from the station and then perform a deorbit burn, setting up a landing at White Sands Space Harbor in New Mexico at 12:03 a.m. Eastern Sept. 7, or six hours after undocking." So I guessed I missed it some where but I thought they had earlier said Starliner could not come back with out the crew because they had removed the ability to have it operate "remotely" with no crew on board. The "remote" software was not loaded before they left or some such excuse. I presume they spent all this time 'downloading' the necessary software? |
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Posted: 8/30/2024 3:31:37 PM EST
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The prior Crew-9 Commander, Zena Cardman (female) has never flow in space. Hague, the new Commander of Crew-9 has been in space twice...once to the ISS.
Cardman either was or was not qualified to be commander. Apparently she was only qualified when a white male was beside her. |
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Posted: 8/30/2024 6:12:09 PM EST
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So, will the Starliner Capsule...
Fail to re-enter Earth's atmosphere and become another hunk of space junk? Have the door fall off mid flight? Burn up in an uncontrolled re-entry? Crash into an apartment building, killing 6? Successfully return to Earth? |
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Posted: 8/30/2024 6:19:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, will the Starliner Capsule... Fail to re-enter Earth's atmosphere and become another hunk of space junk? Have the door fall off mid flight? Burn up in an uncontrolled re-entry? Crash into an apartment building, killing 6? Successfully return to Earth? We won't know until we know. Though personally I'm expecting that it will hit near it's target but onboard telemetry will reveal it to be a very unpleasant ride. The plan is to land at the White Sands Range. Theres a lot of empty space there and around there to reduce the risk of it center punching an apartment complex or some poor schmucks home. |
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Posted: 8/30/2024 7:04:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Crew 8's Dragon has space for them, just no seats installed so they'd just be laying on the floor in the cargo area. I don't know if Space X has ever tested the configuration with more than 4 on board. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So between Sep 6 when Starliner leaves and Sep 25 when Dragon Crew-9 arrives, it sounds like there won't be enough lifeboat seats available to leave the ISS if something went wrong. Am I reading that right? Crew 8's Dragon has space for them, just no seats installed so they'd just be laying on the floor in the cargo area. I don't know if Space X has ever tested the configuration with more than 4 on board. Would they have suits? |
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Posted: 8/31/2024 8:02:33 AM EST
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NASA Sets Coverage for Starliner News Conference, Return to Earth
"Ahead of Starliner’s return, NASA will host a pre-departure news conference at 12 p.m., Wednesday, Sept. 4, from the agency’s Johnson Space Center in Houston. NASA’s Commercial Crew and International Space Station Program managers and a flight director will participate." |
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Posted: 8/31/2024 8:03:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would they have suits? There is one extra SpaceX suit on the ISS. |
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Posted: 8/31/2024 9:20:22 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is one extra SpaceX suit on the ISS. And that suit fits one of the Starliner astronauts, but NASA has not said which one. The other would ride down in their Boeing suit but with no way to pressurize it should Dragon experience any issues. |
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Posted: 8/31/2024 9:26:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And that suit fits one of the Starliner astronauts, but NASA has not said which one. The other would ride down in their Boeing suit but with no way to pressurize it should Dragon experience any issues. That is insane. The most dangerous part of spaceflight is the return home... |
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Posted: 8/31/2024 9:40:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And that suit fits one of the Starliner astronauts, but NASA has not said which one. The other would ride down in their Boeing suit but with no way to pressurize it should Dragon experience any issues. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There is one extra SpaceX suit on the ISS. And that suit fits one of the Starliner astronauts, but NASA has not said which one. The other would ride down in their Boeing suit but with no way to pressurize it should Dragon experience any issues. I think the suit was for Tracy Caldwell-Dyson who came up on the Soyuz. |
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Posted: 8/31/2024 9:47:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And that suit fits one of the Starliner astronauts, but NASA has not said which one. The other would ride down in their Boeing suit but with no way to pressurize it should Dragon experience any issues. That's crazy talk around here |
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Posted: 8/31/2024 10:01:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is insane. The most dangerous part of spaceflight is the return home... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And that suit fits one of the Starliner astronauts, but NASA has not said which one. The other would ride down in their Boeing suit but with no way to pressurize it should Dragon experience any issues. That is insane. The most dangerous part of spaceflight is the return home... |
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Posted: 8/31/2024 10:05:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Crew 8's Dragon has space for them, just no seats installed so they'd just be laying on the floor in the cargo area. I don't know if Space X has ever tested the configuration with more than 4 on board. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So between Sep 6 when Starliner leaves and Sep 25 when Dragon Crew-9 arrives, it sounds like there won't be enough lifeboat seats available to leave the ISS if something went wrong. Am I reading that right? Crew 8's Dragon has space for them, just no seats installed so they'd just be laying on the floor in the cargo area. I don't know if Space X has ever tested the configuration with more than 4 on board. Station transfer hardware is packed in special soft side luggage, the bigger ones are called M Bags I can't remember all the designations for the different sizes. There's a special foam that's used for packing these bags custom cut for everything to provide protection during launch. They're going to build a couple nests out of this foam and tape that's kicking around up there for makeshift seats on the cargo deck plate and probably use a cargo strap for a seat belt. This is the emergency evacuate lifeboat plan till Crew9 shows up. |
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Posted: 8/31/2024 11:30:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: STS-51L and Apollo1 would like to have a word. The CCCP had a crew die on reentry, the capsule depressurized. Soyuz 11 |
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Posted: 8/31/2024 11:36:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: STS-51L and Apollo1 would like to have a word. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: And that suit fits one of the Starliner astronauts, but NASA has not said which one. The other would ride down in their Boeing suit but with no way to pressurize it should Dragon experience any issues. That is insane. The most dangerous part of spaceflight is the return home... With who? Apollo 13, STS-107 or the Starliner? |
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Posted: 8/31/2024 11:43:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And that suit fits one of the Starliner astronauts, but NASA has not said which one. The other would ride down in their Boeing suit but with no way to pressurize it should Dragon experience any issues. Unless I misread an article weeks ago, the suit fits both of them. That suggests that it is a XXL or XXXXL suit. |
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Posted: 8/31/2024 11:49:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless I misread an article weeks ago, the suit fits both of them. That suggests that it is a XXL or XXXXL suit. Now I have the mental image of obese astronauts. 
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Posted: 8/31/2024 1:37:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We won't know until we know. Though personally I'm expecting that it will hit near it's target but onboard telemetry will reveal it to be a very unpleasant ride. The plan is to land at the White Sands Range. Theres a lot of empty space there and around there to reduce the risk of it center punching an apartment complex or some poor schmucks home. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So, will the Starliner Capsule... Fail to re-enter Earth's atmosphere and become another hunk of space junk? Have the door fall off mid flight? Burn up in an uncontrolled re-entry? Crash into an apartment building, killing 6? Successfully return to Earth? We won't know until we know. Though personally I'm expecting that it will hit near it's target but onboard telemetry will reveal it to be a very unpleasant ride. The plan is to land at the White Sands Range. Theres a lot of empty space there and around there to reduce the risk of it center punching an apartment complex or some poor schmucks home. The Fail-liner will fall on a Nilgai and its calf, causing major bunny hugger outrage leading to burning down zoos across the country. |
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Posted: 9/1/2024 7:18:21 AM EST
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So Starliner is haunted??
Click for video/audio.
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Posted: 9/1/2024 7:26:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So Starliner is haunted?? Click for video/audio.
There was this scary space movie. Event Horizon |
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Posted: 9/1/2024 7:29:51 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So Starliner is haunted?? Click for video/audio.
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Posted: 9/1/2024 7:55:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The prior Crew-9 Commander, Zena Cardman (female) has never flow in space. Hague, the new Commander of Crew-9 has been in space twice...once to the ISS. Cardman either was or was not qualified to be commander. Apparently she was only qualified when a white male was beside her. Interesting observation, rest assured this will be memory-holed in the news. |
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Posted: 9/1/2024 8:03:03 AM EST
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Boeing, NASA execs had heated arguments about bringing stranded astronauts home on Starliner
"Boeing and NASA executives fought in tense meetings over how to bring home the two astronauts stranded at the International Space Station in the days after announcing the pair was stuck in space, according to The New York Post. The outlet reported Friday that sources at both Boeing and NASA confirmed the high-level meetings between the two organizations descended into arguments and yelling over whether to bring the astronauts home on the troubled Boeing Starliner that brought them to the ISS on its first crewed mission." |
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Posted: 9/1/2024 8:05:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So Starliner is haunted?? Click for video/audio.
It's them dang boefang boys. |
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Posted: 9/1/2024 12:37:02 PM EST
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Quoted: There was this scary space movie. Event Horizon Quoted: Quoted: It's them dang boefang boys. Arstechnica/Eric Berger report on the noise |
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Posted: 9/1/2024 2:58:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There was this scary space movie. Event Horizon Quoted: Quoted: It's them dang boefang boys. Arstechnica/Eric Berger report on the noise Without knowing the state of power up on the ship there's no real way of knowing the source here. All we know is Starliner is picking up the signal and they can hear it in on the speaker. Station is old and they've been letting payloads and experiments go up there with COTS hardware for a long time. It could be as simple as an experiment warning tripped and Starliner is picking up the alarm somehow. Doesn't necessarily mean Starliner has an issue. |
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Posted: 9/1/2024 3:11:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryFrom the article: "It was heated," a NASA executive familiar with the talks told the Post. "Boeing was convinced that the Starliner was in good enough condition to bring the astronauts home, and NASA disagreed. Strongly disagreed. The thinking around here was that Boeing was being wildly irresponsible." .... Ultimately, NASA decided Saturday to tap Elon Musk's SpaceX — Boeing's main space rival — to shuttle the astronauts home early next year on a SpaceX Crew-9 Dragon mission. Starliner will make an uncrewed return. "Boeing wasn’t happy" with that decision, the NASA executive told the Post. "And they made that perfectly clear to us. But what’s the headline if there’s a catastrophic failure? It’s not ‘Boeing killed two astronauts,’ it’s ‘NASA killed two astronauts.’ So no, it’s better safe than sorry." Meanwhile, the feeling at Boeing is that the successful return of Starliner will show that NASA was being overly cautious, but the commercial space team at the aerospace giant is demoralized, Boeing employees told the Post. Boeing did not respond to multiple requests from FOX Business for comment on the report. NASA said in a statement to FOX Business that it "is focused on the safe return of the uncrewed Boeing Starliner spacecraft from the International Space Station. The agency previously discussed the need for the open exchange of viewpoints as a necessary aspect of a healthy safety culture." NASA's decision not to bring the astronauts home on Starliner represents the latest in a string of embarrassing incidents involving Boeing, which has fallen under increased scrutiny since a door plug flew off one of its aircraft midair during an Alaska Airlines flight in January. |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 9:27:39 AM EST
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NASA Statement on the Starliner pulsing noise: “A pulsing sound from a speaker in Boeing’s Starliner spacecraft heard by NASA astronaut Butch Wilmore aboard the International Space Station has stopped. The feedback from the speaker was the result of an audio configuration between the space station and Starliner. The space station audio system is complex, allowing multiple spacecraft and modules to be interconnected, and it is common to experience noise and feedback. The crew is asked to contact mission control when they hear sounds originating in the comm system. The speaker feedback Wilmore reported has no technical impact to the crew, Starliner, or station operations, including Starliner’s uncrewed undocking from the station no earlier than Friday, Sept. 6.” |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 9:43:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We won't know until we know. Though personally I'm expecting that it will hit near it's target but onboard telemetry will reveal it to be a very unpleasant ride. The plan is to land at the White Sands Range. Theres a lot of empty space there and around there to reduce the risk of it center punching an apartment complex or some poor schmucks home. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So, will the Starliner Capsule... Fail to re-enter Earth's atmosphere and become another hunk of space junk? Have the door fall off mid flight? Burn up in an uncontrolled re-entry? Crash into an apartment building, killing 6? Successfully return to Earth? We won't know until we know. Though personally I'm expecting that it will hit near it's target but onboard telemetry will reveal it to be a very unpleasant ride. The plan is to land at the White Sands Range. Theres a lot of empty space there and around there to reduce the risk of it center punching an apartment complex or some poor schmucks home. |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 11:24:59 AM EST
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NASA response on the Starliner noise:
"“A pulsing sound from a speaker in Boeing’s Starliner spacecraft heard by NASA astronaut Butch Wilmore aboard the International Space Station has stopped. The feedback from the speaker was the result of an audio configuration between the space station and Starliner. The space station audio system is complex, allowing multiple spacecraft and modules to be interconnected, and it is common to experience noise and feedback." |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 12:07:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Boeing wasn’t happy" with that decision, the NASA executive told the Post. "And they made that perfectly clear to us. But what’s the headline if there’s a catastrophic failure? It’s not ‘Boeing killed two astronauts,’ it’s ‘NASA killed two astronauts.’ So no, it’s better safe than sorry." This confirms that the nasa decisions are no longer being made only on technical merit. PR and politics has entered the chat - guarantee there were .gov discussions about what impact the death of two astronauts would have on the election. Nothing nasa says about how/why they made their decisions on this matter can be taken at face value anymore. |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 12:21:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This confirms that the nasa decisions are no longer being made only on technical merit. PR and politics has entered the chat - guarantee there were .gov discussions about what impact the death of two astronauts would have on the election. Nothing nasa says about how/why they made their decisions on this matter can be taken at face value anymore. The entire time they were seemingly hiding information or using made up excuses for the delay. In my opinion, they were stalling to find some way to bring back two people on the Starliner. I never saw them discuss the other two options: 1) Dedicated rescue/Uber flight on a Crew Dragon. 2) Bring them back on the Crew-8 capsule after delivering chairs and suits on the Crew-9 capsule. |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 12:58:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This confirms that the nasa decisions are no longer being made only on technical merit. PR and politics has entered the chat - guarantee there were .gov discussions about what impact the death of two astronauts would have on the election. Nothing nasa says about how/why they made their decisions on this matter can be taken at face value anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "Boeing wasn’t happy" with that decision, the NASA executive told the Post. "And they made that perfectly clear to us. But what’s the headline if there’s a catastrophic failure? It’s not ‘Boeing killed two astronauts,’ it’s ‘NASA killed two astronauts.’ So no, it’s better safe than sorry." This confirms that the nasa decisions are no longer being made only on technical merit. PR and politics has entered the chat - guarantee there were .gov discussions about what impact the death of two astronauts would have on the election. Nothing nasa says about how/why they made their decisions on this matter can be taken at face value anymore. You are correct. It was political. |
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Posted: 9/2/2024 3:16:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The entire time they were seemingly hiding information or using made up excuses for the delay. In my opinion, they were stalling to find some way to bring back two people on the Starliner. I never saw them discuss the other two options: 1) Dedicated rescue/Uber flight on a Crew Dragon. 2) Bring them back on the Crew-8 capsule after delivering chairs and suits on the Crew-9 capsule. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This confirms that the nasa decisions are no longer being made only on technical merit. PR and politics has entered the chat - guarantee there were .gov discussions about what impact the death of two astronauts would have on the election. Nothing nasa says about how/why they made their decisions on this matter can be taken at face value anymore. The entire time they were seemingly hiding information or using made up excuses for the delay. In my opinion, they were stalling to find some way to bring back two people on the Starliner. I never saw them discuss the other two options: 1) Dedicated rescue/Uber flight on a Crew Dragon. 2) Bring them back on the Crew-8 capsule after delivering chairs and suits on the Crew-9 capsule. I could be wrong here, but I doubt they are trained on dragon at all, so will have to be passengers on the later return flight |
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Posted: 9/3/2024 11:43:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This confirms that the nasa decisions are no longer being made only on technical merit. PR and politics has entered the chat - guarantee there were .gov discussions about what impact the death of two astronauts would have on the election. Nothing nasa says about how/why they made their decisions on this matter can be taken at face value anymore. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "Boeing wasn’t happy" with that decision, the NASA executive told the Post. "And they made that perfectly clear to us. But what’s the headline if there’s a catastrophic failure? It’s not ‘Boeing killed two astronauts,’ it’s ‘NASA killed two astronauts.’ So no, it’s better safe than sorry." This confirms that the nasa decisions are no longer being made only on technical merit. PR and politics has entered the chat - guarantee there were .gov discussions about what impact the death of two astronauts would have on the election. Nothing nasa says about how/why they made their decisions on this matter can be taken at face value anymore. I don't believe this is a new thing. At the end of the day they are a government agency that needs taxpayer money, so they have to play the game to some extent...at least at the higher levels. I guess the question in my mind would be how much have decisions shifted from "technical" to "political". I'm not saying I agree with it....just acknowledging it. |
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Posted: 9/3/2024 11:48:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't believe this is a new thing. At the end of the day they are a government agency that needs taxpayer money, so they have to play the game to some extent...at least at the higher levels. I guess the question in my mind would be how much have decisions shifted from "technical" to "political". I'm not saying I agree with it....just acknowledging it. Yep. After Apollo 11, NASA has pretty much had to go begging for funding, and Congress has taken full advantage of this by turning space programs into jobs programs. The second launch tower for Artemis was mandated by Congress, for example. |
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Posted: 9/3/2024 2:17:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This confirms that the nasa decisions are no longer being made only on technical merit. Is it really "political" that NASA is extremely risk-averse after having killed TWO Space Shuttle crews by saying "we're pretty sure it'll be fine" (whether low temperatures for Challenger, or foam strikes for Columbia) instead of being able to say "we are certain it will be fine"? Considering all of the issues that Boeing has had with Starliner, I don't think it's unreasonable for NASA to decide that "we're pretty sure it will be fine" is not a good enough standard to risk astronaut lives AGAIN. Personally, I believe that Starliner will be fine, will have a perfectly safe re-entry and landing, and that the two astronauts COULD have been able to safely get back to Earth on it. But I don't blame NASA for not wanting to take the risk, even if it seems tiny. If this had been driven by internal politics, I don't think they would have taken so incredibly long to make the decision. |
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