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Posted: 4/23/2022 8:23:42 AM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m in charge of about 400 Ford vehicles. From Escapes up to F750’s. For the purpose of this discussion, and understanding that the Maverick is based on the Escape, I say that the Hyundai will outlast the Maverick because there is no bigger piece of shit than the Ford Escape. In our fleet, rare is the Escape that makes it to 100k on the original motor or transmission. A garbage vehicle. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Question, I don't intend to ask follow ups - what makes you say that? I’m in charge of about 400 Ford vehicles. From Escapes up to F750’s. For the purpose of this discussion, and understanding that the Maverick is based on the Escape, I say that the Hyundai will outlast the Maverick because there is no bigger piece of shit than the Ford Escape. In our fleet, rare is the Escape that makes it to 100k on the original motor or transmission. A garbage vehicle. I think the original Ranger line was a great truck. My 1997 Ranger lasted forever. Wish they would bring back something like that. |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 9:49:52 AM EDT
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Ford has great margins on the maverick. They are keeping computer chips in the maverick for temp control display but taking them out of the f150.
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Posted: 4/23/2022 9:51:16 AM EDT
[#3]
Quoted: My buddy got screwed on his Maverick order and some people are paying $10k over MSRP for one  https://fordauthority.com/2022/04/ford-maverick-sales-numbers-figures-results-first-quarter-q1-2022/ Well duh it's a truck, it's all Ford sells |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 10:14:10 AM EDT
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Is there a supply limit on the Hyundai's though?
The Ford starts about $5k cheaper on base MSRP but the Hyundai has some features I like better on the higher end trims. But with the extra features the Hyundai is about $5k more still on the fully loaded models before adding any accessories to either one. Motor Trend preferred the Maverick too. For what i'd use it for I think i'd lean on the Santa Cruz Limited though. I've turned into a prima donna in my old age so I like the ventilated seats and larger screens. https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2022-ford-maverick-vs-hyundai-santa-cruz-comparison-test-review/ |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 10:32:26 AM EDT
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Have seen both in person.
Was pleasantly surprised with how the Maverick looked in real life. Reminded me quite a bit of my oldschool Ranger work truck IRT dimensions too. The Hyundai looks like hammered dog shit. Completely "overstyled" - I'd take a damn Ridgeline over that abomination without even thinking about it. |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 10:47:23 AM EDT
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Well right now Ford has several hot selling vehicles.
Bronco Maverick F- series We are on the sidelines waiting for things to cool off so we can get a Bronco without the dealer mark ups. That said, my son will be needing a car for school and a job in several months and I'm not looking forward to that process. |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 10:47:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well duh it's a truck, it's all Ford sells Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My buddy got screwed on his Maverick order and some people are paying $10k over MSRP for one https://fordauthority.com/2022/04/ford-maverick-sales-numbers-figures-results-first-quarter-q1-2022/ Well duh it's a truck, it's all Ford sells It’s not a truck. But it’s close enough that people that don’t need a truck will buy them. |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 10:54:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the original Ranger line was a great truck. My 1997 Ranger lasted forever. Wish they would bring back something like that. This We have a few 2000 era Rangers (extended cab, 4x4 v6) kicking around and they are fantastic vehicles. |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 10:54:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've only seen on Hyundai in the wild, never on the lots. Same, In my neighborhood It’s like a sand color I hate the huge lettering on the back |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 10:55:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Maverick isn't cheap (as they said it was supposed to be) and its god awful ugly. At least the Hyundai has some style and looks way better. The Hyundai needs a 4" lift and some bigger tires and it would look great. Thats some quality trolling |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 11:00:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Earlier gen Dodge Ram 700. The new trucks are about $12,000 USD in Mexico. https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/ram02-1602513741.jpghttps://tfltruck.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/ram-700-fiat-strada-2021-4.jpeg Quote HistoryQuoted: Earlier gen Dodge Ram 700. The new trucks are about $12,000 USD in Mexico. https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/ram02-1602513741.jpghttps://tfltruck.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/ram-700-fiat-strada-2021-4.jpeg Can you import that? |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 11:01:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thats some quality trolling Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Maverick isn't cheap (as they said it was supposed to be) and its god awful ugly. At least the Hyundai has some style and looks way better. The Hyundai needs a 4" lift and some bigger tires and it would look great. Thats some quality trolling I wish Subaru would bring back a Brat/Baja. The outback wilderness with a bed would probably be a big hit. |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 11:04:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You should know more about Escapes and Mavericks than you do then. The Escape comes with a 3 cylinder, which is probably a bit overtaxed, especially if your fleet regularly carries any sort of payload. Maverick is a larger I-4 in both powertrain options. The hybrid's "CVT" is not a mechanical belt CVT of the type made infamous by GM, Nissan, and others. It's a Toyota Prius-style two motor setup with a single fixed ratio planetary - very durable and proven setup. I’m pretty familiar with the four pot Escapes.......there’s one in my driveway right now. I have limited experience with the 2019 and up 3 bangers because we stopped buying them as our Fords are complete garbage. I have 400 Fords right now. Over the years? I’ve managed thousands, and after years of shitty 5.4 engines and 6.0 diesels and 4R75 transmissions that can’t keep together and EcoBoosts that wipe water pump bearings and eat engines at 80k.......yeah, there’s a reason why my company (and many companies) are transitioning away from Fords in fleet applications. |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 11:07:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm telling you, Ford is going to sell every Maverick they can build. With ease, like not even trying. It's going to be the next Escort or Taurus for Ford Motor Company. Why? Seriously. What is so great about this vehicle? |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 11:40:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you import that?  Not legally. |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 11:45:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The base model is twenty grand. How cheap do you want it? Lol at lifting a santa cruz. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Maverick isn't cheap (as they said it was supposed to be) and its god awful ugly. At least the Hyundai has some style and looks way better. The Hyundai needs a 4" lift and some bigger tires and it would look great. Lol at lifting a santa cruz. I don't know Kinda want  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 11:54:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why? Seriously. What is so great about this vehicle? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm telling you, Ford is going to sell every Maverick they can build. With ease, like not even trying. It's going to be the next Escort or Taurus for Ford Motor Company. Why? Seriously. What is so great about this vehicle? It's a city truck that appeals to the lifestyle image of the urban escapists while being inexpensive to buy and own. |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 12:12:24 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s not a truck. But it’s close enough that people that don’t need a truck will buy them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: My buddy got screwed on his Maverick order and some people are paying $10k over MSRP for one https://fordauthority.com/2022/04/ford-maverick-sales-numbers-figures-results-first-quarter-q1-2022/ Well duh it's a truck, it's all Ford sells It’s not a truck. But it’s close enough that people that don’t need a truck will buy them. You mean almost everyone who buys a full size truck?  Conservatively, 90% of people who own a truck don't need one, and even the Maverick is overkill for most people in relation to what they actually use their truck for. Having lived in other countries, it's laughable what most Americans "need" a full size truck for. ~20 MPG on a $50k+ vehicle so it's easier to get a Christmas tree home one night a year, or driving down mild little dirt trails my wife gets down easily in her fucking CUV going to trailheads. Trucks now aren't about "need" they are about "want" for the overwhelming majority of the market. But hey, nothing wrong with owning something just cause you want it. |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 12:35:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why? Seriously. What is so great about this vehicle? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm telling you, Ford is going to sell every Maverick they can build. With ease, like not even trying. It's going to be the next Escort or Taurus for Ford Motor Company. Why? Seriously. What is so great about this vehicle? I'm not making any predictions, but just going by the sales reports... It's "enough truck" for 90+% of people. I'm getting the 4K towing package (4,000 lb capacity), enough to tow a small boat, trailer etc.. The hybrid version is returning fantastic 40+ MPG numbers in the city (hybrid only rated for 2,000 lbs though).. Even the AWD Ecoboost is getting 30+ MPG highway, but it still has enough power to be sporty, for a truck anyway. Truck bed could be a little longer, and I despise the lack of exterior LED bulbs ($$$ savings), but going by the dealers adding $10K+ markups it's becoming very popular. I think Ford will need to expand to other plants; currently only built in the Hermosillo (Mexico) plant. There are already people working on tunes and mods, aftermarket is going to be huge I think. https://www.mavericktruckclub.com/forum/threads/terminix-ordered-90-mavericks.14075/ Full disclosure: I've never owned a Ford, but my parents have. They weren't fans but this was 20+ years ago. My current vehicle is a Subaru Crosstrek, I owned a Dodge Dakota previously - V8 beast that got ~15 MPG. Never towed but helped lots of people move, including myself. |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 12:48:28 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well duh it's a truck, it's all Ford sells It's a SUV. Just like the Explorer Sport Trac was just a SUV. |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 12:52:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m in charge of about 400 Ford vehicles. From Escapes up to F750’s. For the purpose of this discussion, and understanding that the Maverick is based on the Escape, I say that the Hyundai will outlast the Maverick because there is no bigger piece of shit than the Ford Escape. In our fleet, rare is the Escape that makes it to 100k on the original motor or transmission. A garbage vehicle. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Question, I don't intend to ask follow ups - what makes you say that? I’m in charge of about 400 Ford vehicles. From Escapes up to F750’s. For the purpose of this discussion, and understanding that the Maverick is based on the Escape, I say that the Hyundai will outlast the Maverick because there is no bigger piece of shit than the Ford Escape. In our fleet, rare is the Escape that makes it to 100k on the original motor or transmission. A garbage vehicle. Damn! 
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Posted: 4/23/2022 12:55:57 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Hyundai will undoubtedly last longer and be more reliable. by far |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 1:13:08 PM EDT
[#23]
Quoted: My buddy got screwed on his Maverick order and some people are paying $10k over MSRP for one https://fordauthority.com/2022/04/ford-maverick-sales-numbers-figures-results-first-quarter-q1-2022/ I don't believe you. 
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Posted: 4/23/2022 2:12:04 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Maverick isn't cheap (as they said it was supposed to be) and its god awful ugly. At least the Hyundai has some style and looks way better. The Hyundai needs a 4" lift and some bigger tires and it would look great. Seriously I think you're completely wrong, the Maverick is both inexpensive and better looking than the Hyundai thing which would be hideous with a lift and huge tires. |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 3:12:11 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a SUV. Just like the Explorer Sport Trac was just a SUV. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well duh it's a truck, it's all Ford sells It's a SUV. Just like the Explorer Sport Trac was just a SUV. It’s not an SUV. No frame |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 3:12:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a SUV. Just like the Explorer Sport Trac was just a SUV. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well duh it's a truck, it's all Ford sells It's a SUV. Just like the Explorer Sport Trac was just a SUV. It’s not an SUV. No frame |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 3:14:42 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s not an SUV. No frame You don’t need a frame to go to the mall. |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 3:16:26 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm telling you, Ford is going to sell every Maverick they can build. With ease, like not even trying. It's going to be the next Escort or Taurus for Ford Motor Company. LOL - EVERYONE is selling every car they can build CUZ they can't build / deliver many |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 3:23:22 PM EDT
[#29]
It would probably be 4x if Ford could make enough of them.
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Posted: 4/23/2022 3:49:51 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've only seen on Hyundai in the wild, never on the lots. Only seen one myself in the wild. Frankly i'd love a Santa Cruz... Hybrid. I think Hyundai really missed the boat on this one, and I'm generally a fan of their products. |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 3:51:00 PM EDT
[#31]
So the number one truck maker in the world is number one at making a truck!!??!
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Posted: 4/23/2022 3:55:21 PM EDT
[#32]
I have seen both in the wild from my car. The Santa Cruz looks more stylish to me, and I think the Maverick looks more like a Ranger.
For a offroad vehicle I would choose the Maverick. Around town the Santa Cruz. YMMV! |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 4:17:42 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You don’t need a frame to go to the mall. Or haul kids bikes/sports gear, pull a bass boat or get the occasional home repair/gardening stuff. I hope the used market gets flooded with these and it becomes a real question of a used Maverick or SxS for light farm work. |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 4:24:38 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m in charge of about 400 Ford vehicles. From Escapes up to F750’s. For the purpose of this discussion, and understanding that the Maverick is based on the Escape, I say that the Hyundai will outlast the Maverick because there is no bigger piece of shit than the Ford Escape. In our fleet, rare is the Escape that makes it to 100k on the original motor or transmission. A garbage vehicle. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Question, I don't intend to ask follow ups - what makes you say that? I’m in charge of about 400 Ford vehicles. From Escapes up to F750’s. For the purpose of this discussion, and understanding that the Maverick is based on the Escape, I say that the Hyundai will outlast the Maverick because there is no bigger piece of shit than the Ford Escape. In our fleet, rare is the Escape that makes it to 100k on the original motor or transmission. A garbage vehicle. There's an Escape in my garage. 51,000 miles Roof is leaking and staining the headliner Cv axle seal leaks Timing cover leaks No audio from entertainment system. You are correct, the Escape is a piece of shit and Ford should be ashamed |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 4:25:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You should know more about Escapes and Mavericks than you do then. The Escape comes with a 3 cylinder, which is probably a bit overtaxed, especially if your fleet regularly carries any sort of payload. Maverick is a larger I-4 in both powertrain options. The hybrid's "CVT" is not a mechanical belt CVT of the type made infamous by GM, Nissan, and others. It's a Toyota Prius-style two motor setup with a single fixed ratio planetary - very durable and proven setup. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’m in charge of about 400 Ford vehicles. From Escapes up to F750’s. For the purpose of this discussion, and understanding that the Maverick is based on the Escape, I say that the Hyundai will outlast the Maverick because there is no bigger piece of shit than the Ford Escape. In our fleet, rare is the Escape that makes it to 100k on the original motor or transmission. A garbage vehicle. You should know more about Escapes and Mavericks than you do then. The Escape comes with a 3 cylinder, which is probably a bit overtaxed, especially if your fleet regularly carries any sort of payload. Maverick is a larger I-4 in both powertrain options. The hybrid's "CVT" is not a mechanical belt CVT of the type made infamous by GM, Nissan, and others. It's a Toyota Prius-style two motor setup with a single fixed ratio planetary - very durable and proven setup. I have a 4 cylinder Escape |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 4:25:13 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not all that familiar with the Maverick, so googled it to check it out. First hit was a listing from Carvana… Used, 3500 mi, $27k MSRP, selling for $39.9k  Screw that. I'll keep my much more capable 08 Nissan Titan. I'm sure it's good for another 225K miles. No way would I pay $40K for a Maverick. |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 5:02:54 PM EDT
[#37]
Please stop calling them trucks. Please.
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Posted: 4/23/2022 5:05:37 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well right now Ford has several hot selling vehicles. Bronco Maverick F- series We are on the sidelines waiting for things to cool off so we can get a Bronco without the dealer mark ups. That said, my son will be needing a car for school and a job in several months and I'm not looking forward to that process. Add the Mustang Mach E... Sold out for this year. |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 5:07:29 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Please stop calling them trucks. Please. Truck and SUV are the two most missed used terms in vehicle discussions. |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 5:10:32 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s not a truck. But it’s close enough that people that don’t need a truck will buy them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: My buddy got screwed on his Maverick order and some people are paying $10k over MSRP for one https://fordauthority.com/2022/04/ford-maverick-sales-numbers-figures-results-first-quarter-q1-2022/ Well duh it's a truck, it's all Ford sells It’s not a truck. But it’s close enough that people that don’t need a truck will buy them. Not a truck today. But our fathers generation truck albeit with a modern flair. Basic and utilitarian. Today’s truck is a reflection of what our society values... the comfortable life.... size..... luxury ahhh so sweet. |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 5:13:09 PM EDT
[#41]
I’ll probably buy a Maverick.
If they make an ST version I’ll go order one for sure. |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 5:18:51 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Please stop calling them trucks. Please. The maverick is no less a truck than an f150. All pickups fall into the same “barely qualifies as a truck” category, it’s just a wee-little truck. |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 5:33:21 PM EDT
[#43]
Went Hyundai shopping with the in-laws today. They had one Sant Cruz, but aren't allowed to show it, because the brake pedal has an issue (the honestly is either refreshing or inexperience).
One the way home, a Maverick drove past us. A quick at a glance, but I thought it was interesting enough to take a closer look at a later time. I always thought the Sport Trac would make a decent truck for anything I need to do. Full disclosure, I drive a Ridgeline, therefore have no experience with trucks. |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 5:39:24 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a 4 cylinder Escape Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I’m in charge of about 400 Ford vehicles. From Escapes up to F750’s. For the purpose of this discussion, and understanding that the Maverick is based on the Escape, I say that the Hyundai will outlast the Maverick because there is no bigger piece of shit than the Ford Escape. In our fleet, rare is the Escape that makes it to 100k on the original motor or transmission. A garbage vehicle. You should know more about Escapes and Mavericks than you do then. The Escape comes with a 3 cylinder, which is probably a bit overtaxed, especially if your fleet regularly carries any sort of payload. Maverick is a larger I-4 in both powertrain options. The hybrid's "CVT" is not a mechanical belt CVT of the type made infamous by GM, Nissan, and others. It's a Toyota Prius-style two motor setup with a single fixed ratio planetary - very durable and proven setup. I have a 4 cylinder Escape My mother had two escapes in the past. The only issue she had with them is pack rats like to eat the wiring. |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 6:33:31 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Went Hyundai shopping with the in-laws today. They had one Sant Cruz, but aren't allowed to show it, because the brake pedal has an issue (the honestly is either refreshing or inexperience). One the way home, a Maverick drove past us. A quick at a glance, but I thought it was interesting enough to take a closer look at a later time. I always thought the Sport Trac would make a decent truck for anything I need to do. Full disclosure, I drive a Ridgeline, therefore have no experience with trucks. Your Ridgeline is probably a better truck than either of them. |
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Posted: 4/23/2022 7:07:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your Ridgeline is probably a better truck than either of them. It better be for how much more they cost |
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