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Originally Posted By M41A: $10 doesn’t sound like a lot until you look at it as a % increase. The difference between $25 and $35 is 40%. Definitely not trivial. Originally Posted By M41A: Originally Posted By 4FishLimit: Stopped in to Walmart this evening to grab a couple things. Figured I’d swing by the oil section and grab a couple more jugs of VRP 5W30. Plenty on the shelf, but prices are up of course. $35 per 5 qt. jug, not horrible but about $10 more than I bought it last time. Quite the mix of Dexos and non-Dexos labeling on the shelves too. I also noticed that they’ve started putting the metallic security UPC tags on the oil now. $10 doesn’t sound like a lot until you look at it as a % increase. The difference between $25 and $35 is 40%. Definitely not trivial. It'll be at $45 if TSHTF long enough. I'll be restocking what I used the last few days tomorrow. |
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Originally Posted By fxntime: I'd bet a whole lot of unsavory people are trying to ''return'' used oil in the original container for a refund. Already happens with DEF…it gets returned filled with water. I generally buy SuperTech DEF because it’s the cheapest, but I check the container before tossing it in the cart. The little foam wafer used to seal the mouth of the jugs aren’t the greatest but if that thing comes off with the lid I grab a different container. |
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Originally Posted By PepePewPew: I figured the ULV shit with the shitty shelf life was going to be a bigger problem than non-Toyota motor oils. Dexron VI is just LV, not ULV, am I right? Correct. It’s just LV. My only advantage to ULV, is I have is size. I have a single customer that orders 1 to 2 pallets a week of the product. I went into this with a huge tail wind in terms of allocation. Unlike other distributors that might sell a pallet or two a year. I sell a shit load of transmission fluids. I was the first Kendall customer to order full pallets of the ULV. I was the first Allison TES 668 customer in the country to order a full transport load (6500 gallons) of the product. We are just strictly by luck through customer base, huge in automatic transmission fluids. Which gives us enormous tail winds when allocations hit. We also have the ability to hold significant amounts of inventory. So we are just topping off inventory when we get allocated to 50% or less. Where as other distributors that rarely order it, will have 0% allocation. |
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Originally Posted By M41A: $10 doesn’t sound like a lot until you look at it as a % increase. The difference between $25 and $35 is 40%. Definitely not trivial. Originally Posted By M41A: Originally Posted By 4FishLimit: Stopped in to Walmart this evening to grab a couple things. Figured I’d swing by the oil section and grab a couple more jugs of VRP 5W30. Plenty on the shelf, but prices are up of course. $35 per 5 qt. jug, not horrible but about $10 more than I bought it last time. Quite the mix of Dexos and non-Dexos labeling on the shelves too. I also noticed that they’ve started putting the metallic security UPC tags on the oil now. $10 doesn’t sound like a lot until you look at it as a % increase. The difference between $25 and $35 is 40%. Definitely not trivial. Yep, definitely wishing I had stacked a bit deeper…I could have snagged 3 jugs for $75 instead of 2 for $70. I’m going to swing by NAPA between now and the weekend to grab a few more gallons of diesel oil. |
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Originally Posted By 4FishLimit: Yep, definitely wishing I had stacked a bit deeper…I could have snagged 3 jugs for $75 instead of 2 for $70. I’m going to swing by NAPA between now and the weekend to grab a few more gallons of diesel oil. Originally Posted By 4FishLimit: Originally Posted By M41A: Originally Posted By 4FishLimit: Stopped in to Walmart this evening to grab a couple things. Figured I’d swing by the oil section and grab a couple more jugs of VRP 5W30. Plenty on the shelf, but prices are up of course. $35 per 5 qt. jug, not horrible but about $10 more than I bought it last time. Quite the mix of Dexos and non-Dexos labeling on the shelves too. I also noticed that they’ve started putting the metallic security UPC tags on the oil now. $10 doesn’t sound like a lot until you look at it as a % increase. The difference between $25 and $35 is 40%. Definitely not trivial. Yep, definitely wishing I had stacked a bit deeper…I could have snagged 3 jugs for $75 instead of 2 for $70. I’m going to swing by NAPA between now and the weekend to grab a few more gallons of diesel oil. If you’re just using synthetic blend 15w40 or 10w30, it will be okay. Full synthetic 5w40 (and the other rare 15w40, 10w30 and 5w30s) are not in good shape. Chevron basically told me they can’t produce any of the full synthetics right now. I’m actually playing nice with another Chevron distributor and selling them some 5w40. Because I have like… a lot. 6-10 months worth at our normal sales cycle. Again, due to the fact I can hold so much inventory. |
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Someone else in this thread will make fun of me for posting this story. But I had a supplier call me today with Porsche spec 5w40. They’re getting 16 drums in for the country. I just told him I’ll take them all. Without thinking about it much.  That’s my way of handling inventory right now. |
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: If you’re just using synthetic blend 15w40 or 10w30, it will be okay. Full synthetic 5w40 (and the other rare 15w40, 10w30 and 5w30s) are not in good shape. Chevron basically told me they can’t produce any of the full synthetics right now. I’m actually playing nice with another Chevron distributor and selling them some 5w40. Because I have like… a lot. 6-10 months worth at our normal sales cycle. Again, due to the fact I can hold so much inventory. I can run 10W30 in my Cummins, and I may switch to that if needed especially since it gets annual oil changes vs. mileage based due to current driving habits. The Ecodiesel is a different story, so I stick to the recommended 5W40. Since that’s an alternate for my 2500 I opted to primarily stock one oil type. As an added bonus 10W30 is what my tractor runs, so I could just make the Ecodiesel the odd man out. |
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Someone else in this thread will make fun of me for posting this story. But I had a supplier call me today with Porsche spec 5w40. They’re getting 16 drums in for the country. I just told him I’ll take them all. Without thinking about it much. That’s my way of handling inventory right now. 16 drums for the entire COUNTRY as in the USofA? Well, that isn't going to go far............. |
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Originally Posted By Metonymy: WM has the 5w-30 jugs for $25/each if you buy at least two. No luck on getting 0w-20 at that price though. https://imgur.com/8vAF64K.jpg Mine shows $63 for the 2 pack |
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Originally Posted By fxntime: 16 drums for the entire COUNTRY as in the USofA? Well, that isn't going to go far............. Originally Posted By fxntime: Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Someone else in this thread will make fun of me for posting this story. But I had a supplier call me today with Porsche spec 5w40. They’re getting 16 drums in for the country. I just told him I’ll take them all. Without thinking about it much. That’s my way of handling inventory right now. 16 drums for the entire COUNTRY as in the USofA? Well, that isn't going to go far............. Yeah I figured I’ll sell them before this shit normalizes at this rate. |
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Someone else in this thread will make fun of me for posting this story. But I had a supplier call me today with Porsche spec 5w40. They're getting 16 drums in for the country. I just told him I'll take them all. Without thinking about it much. That's my way of handling inventory right now. 
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Originally Posted By M41A: $10 doesn’t sound like a lot until you look at it as a % increase. The difference between $25 and $35 is 40%. Definitely not trivial. Originally Posted By M41A: Originally Posted By 4FishLimit: Stopped in to Walmart this evening to grab a couple things. Figured I’d swing by the oil section and grab a couple more jugs of VRP 5W30. Plenty on the shelf, but prices are up of course. $35 per 5 qt. jug, not horrible but about $10 more than I bought it last time. Quite the mix of Dexos and non-Dexos labeling on the shelves too. I also noticed that they’ve started putting the metallic security UPC tags on the oil now. $10 doesn’t sound like a lot until you look at it as a % increase. The difference between $25 and $35 is 40%. Definitely not trivial. That doesn’t matter to the twice a year DIY consumer. |
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Originally Posted By 2JokersWild: I think its important to look at the big picture. I have enough for 2 oil changes. Thats a year and a half of oil, maybe more. Fact is, if we get to a point where oil has become so scarce you need to have more than a year stocked then we have much bigger problems coming down the pipe that whether or not you can change your oil wont even move the needle of "Oh shit". My opinion. I don't doubt we'll always be able to get some kind of lubricating oil, I just think the quality will be declining for awhile and it will be hard to tell what you're getting in the bottle, even at a higher price. We will be dealing with more Group I/II conventionals and blends with a paltry amount of Group III so they can say "synthetic blend" on the bottle. This is not the end of the world, but I value a 5W or 0W winter rating to go with an HTHS of at least 3.1/3.2, and that will start to get more scarce without full synthetics or blends with a more even mix of G3 and G2. Oil marketing can be pretty vague and does a great job of obfuscating its contents/ingredients and any performance increment over a minium standard. I think the minimum will be the standard going forward, and the API and some of the OEM's are even lowering that bar right now. If you lower your change interval back to 3,000 you might not have too many adverse effects. The additive shortages are the scary part though, as without those even lowering the interval won’t overcome the decline in performance. |
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Originally Posted By 2JokersWild: I think its important to look at the big picture. I have enough for 2 oil changes. Thats a year and a half of oil, maybe more. Fact is, if we get to a point where oil has become so scarce you need to have more than a year stocked then we have much bigger problems coming down the pipe that whether or not you can change your oil wont even move the needle of "Oh shit". My opinion. From what Fox is now telling us, it sounds like the wolf, the one he warned us of back in March, is finally at the door. Oil is available, but it's getting pricier. And sketchier. The next pair of price spikes are probably going to be pretty big. The 5 quart jugs may be $50 each, or more, by the end of the year. Anyone who changes their own oil is going to want to be prepared before then. I'm also stocking up on oil and air filters because everything is likely to jump in price. Will there be bigger problems coming? Most likely, yes. I cannot imagine how things are going to look if diesel hits $8-$10 a gallon. My guess is things will get catastrophic for consumer pricing. With that in mind, prepping for other items as well is probably going to be smart. Who knows where we are going to end up. |
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Originally Posted By 2JokersWild: I think its important to look at the big picture. I have enough for 2 oil changes. Thats a year and a half of oil, maybe more. Fact is, if we get to a point where oil has become so scarce you need to have more than a year stocked then we have much bigger problems coming down the pipe that whether or not you can change your oil wont even move the needle of "Oh shit". My opinion. |
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: I may be living up to my arfcom persona a little much tonight. And I may be sipping on bourbon. But, the very last paragraph is key. It is disappointing. I’m not sure how much the viewers in this thread realize it. The majors are also punishing the little players right now in their own industry. There’s going to be consolidation and bankruptcy in my sector of the industry. When trucking companies or contractors start folding, it’s going to be who dodges the bullet survive. I dodged a bullet recently to the tune of $68,000. A company went bankrupt that I sold fuel to. I stopped selling them right around the time this started because their money was always a little “funny.” A friendly competitor picked up their business and is now eating it because of the bankruptcy. I say friendly competitor because we do business together. We aren’t enemies. We go to dinner together. Etc. But when a 107 year old company walks away from business. There’s normally a reason. He didn’t ask the “why are you doing this?” Will they survive? Yes. But there’s going to be alot of people like me that don’t have the experience, that want to learn with their own mistakes…. Who won’t. It’s going to be a hard winter in a lot of ways. Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Originally Posted By Manchu65: Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Pay walled but: https://www.wsj.com/business/energy-oil/oil-executives-say-the-great-fuel-crisis-is-here-b6b32030 TL;DR: Chevron CEO Mike Wirth says the fuel crisis oil executives warned would follow a prolonged closure of the Strait of Hormuz has now officially arrived, with the mechanisms that mitigated price and supply risk having "largely now played out" and the system holding nowhere near the buffers it had when the war began, as Trump officials continue to claim the disruption is temporary, per WSJ. Wirth says he has not spoken to Trump since August 3, when Trump attacked him on Truth Social for not crediting the administration and demanded oil companies bring retail prices "DOWN, NOW!" I said in March, I didn’t want to be right. This would be much easier for me to just eat crow and look like an idiot on the Internet. I hear ya. My take, and I've said this before...there isn't enough money to pay me to be PGPA for a major right now. Wirth's "I told you so" in Austin, while true, plays a little too clean. The majors talk a lot about integrity and corporate citizenship, but the reality is diesel margins have been fat while the domestic consumer eats a $6/gallon average for the first time ever. I'm a free-market guy, but I'm also been in the industry long enough to know you don't shit where you eat. Anyone can see the export math while a CEO is warning about a "fuel crisis" is a bad look, even if every dollar of it is legal and rational. On the DPA, there's an active provision (Title I) that specifically covers mandatory allocation and pricing of fuel and feedstock. It's not the WW2-era broad price control title, that one's expired. But it's real, and it's fuel-specific. Doesn't matter if it'd survive a court challenge. This administration has shown it'll threaten the maximalist read of its own authority just to force a reaction, real intent or not, and I don't think Wirth wants to be the guy who calls that bluff in public in an election year. He's been around too long, and is too political, to make that mistake twice. My honest read: the industry is playing chicken with an administration that's shown it'll go loud, not just in the press but with whatever tools it can point to. My bet is this gets political before November regardless of who's actually right on the merits. If the House flips, the next round looks a lot like the last four years under Biden, just with different names attached, and the majors end up back where they started post-COVID, maybe worse off. It's a shame the industry keeps taking the black eye for the short-term win instead of playing the long game. I'm not trying to grind an axe here, this is genuinely disappointing to watch from inside the business. I may be living up to my arfcom persona a little much tonight. And I may be sipping on bourbon. But, the very last paragraph is key. It is disappointing. I’m not sure how much the viewers in this thread realize it. The majors are also punishing the little players right now in their own industry. There’s going to be consolidation and bankruptcy in my sector of the industry. When trucking companies or contractors start folding, it’s going to be who dodges the bullet survive. I dodged a bullet recently to the tune of $68,000. A company went bankrupt that I sold fuel to. I stopped selling them right around the time this started because their money was always a little “funny.” A friendly competitor picked up their business and is now eating it because of the bankruptcy. I say friendly competitor because we do business together. We aren’t enemies. We go to dinner together. Etc. But when a 107 year old company walks away from business. There’s normally a reason. He didn’t ask the “why are you doing this?” Will they survive? Yes. But there’s going to be alot of people like me that don’t have the experience, that want to learn with their own mistakes…. Who won’t. It’s going to be a hard winter in a lot of ways. Every earnings report at my company mentions the “cyclical nature” of the refining sector and the need to capture margins while they exist, and then they mention weathering the storm on the other side of the cycle. I won’t pretend to understand it completely, but at times they seem to operate like coked up addicts at the casino by “letting it ride”, and then when they’re losing having to pawn assets to make it through the tough stretch. Tiresome. |
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Originally Posted By fxntime: 16 drums for the entire COUNTRY as in the USofA? Well, that isn't going to go far............. If he had said “county” I woulda believed it. “Country” is rough |
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Someone else in this thread will make fun of me for posting this story. But I had a supplier call me today with Porsche spec 5w40. They’re getting 16 drums in for the country. I just told him I’ll take them all. Without thinking about it much. That’s my way of handling inventory right now. Can always post it here if you need to offload it The Official ARFCOM Porsche Thread |
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Toyota is now out of 0w20. Yes, it’s in writing. From Toyota. They’re authorizing dealers to use non Toyota program oils. As long as they meet or exceed GTMO 0w20 specs. |
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Toyota is now out of 0w20. Yes, it's in writing. From Toyota. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Toyota is now out of 0w20. Yes, it’s in writing. From Toyota. They’re authorizing dealers to use non Toyota program oils. As long as they meet or exceed GTMO 0w20 specs. Doesn’t most of their fleet call for 0w16 these days? My GR Corolla uses 0w20 and I’ve got about 4 jugs of PUP so I should be good for a bit but this is just getting more and more interesting as the war drags on. |
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Originally Posted By Fushaw: Doesn’t most of their fleet call for 0w16 these days? My GR Corolla uses 0w20 and I’ve got about 4 jugs of PUP so I should be good for a bit but this is just getting more and more interesting as the war drags on. Originally Posted By Fushaw: Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Toyota is now out of 0w20. Yes, it’s in writing. From Toyota. They’re authorizing dealers to use non Toyota program oils. As long as they meet or exceed GTMO 0w20 specs. Doesn’t most of their fleet call for 0w16 these days? My GR Corolla uses 0w20 and I’ve got about 4 jugs of PUP so I should be good for a bit but this is just getting more and more interesting as the war drags on. Remember the whole 0w8 / 0w16 / 0w20 replacement scheme Toyota had earlier this year? Yeah… |
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Originally Posted By 2JokersWild: Is that the C40 spec stuff? Errr.....Want to share? Originally Posted By 2JokersWild: Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Someone else in this thread will make fun of me for posting this story. But I had a supplier call me today with Porsche spec 5w40. They're getting 16 drums in for the country. I just told him I'll take them all. Without thinking about it much. That's my way of handling inventory right now. Yeah. Fuchs Titan GT1 Flex 3 5w40. And yes.. I mean, I sell oil. |
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Originally Posted By fxntime: 16 drums for the entire COUNTRY as in the USofA? Well, that isn't going to go far............. Originally Posted By fxntime: Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Someone else in this thread will make fun of me for posting this story. But I had a supplier call me today with Porsche spec 5w40. They’re getting 16 drums in for the country. I just told him I’ll take them all. Without thinking about it much. That’s my way of handling inventory right now. 16 drums for the entire COUNTRY as in the USofA? Well, that isn't going to go far............. Assuming a conservative 5 quarts per oil change, thats enough for just 704 vehicles. |
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Someone else in this thread will make fun of me for posting this story. But I had a supplier call me today with Porsche spec 5w40. They’re getting 16 drums in for the country. I just told him I’ll take them all. Without thinking about it much. That’s my way of handling inventory right now. But the label calls for 0W40 C40 in my 911. But I also use Liqui-Moly TopTec 4110 which is 5w40 |
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Originally Posted By Fushaw: Doesn’t most of their fleet call for 0w16 these days? My GR Corolla uses 0w20 and I’ve got about 4 jugs of PUP so I should be good for a bit but this is just getting more and more interesting as the war drags on. 2.4 Turbos are all 0w-20 and guess what I just, purchased.......a Grand Highlander So what's the alternative brand/equivalent |
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Originally Posted By Fushaw: Doesn’t most of their fleet call for 0w16 these days? My GR Corolla uses 0w20 and I’ve got about 4 jugs of PUP so I should be good for a bit but this is just getting more and more interesting as the war drags on. Not their Grand Highlander Hybrid, says 0w20 on the cap. |
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Originally Posted By shrimpmoney: The 911 since 991 uses about 9 quarts Ooooooof |
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Originally Posted By millertime23: Castrol GTX 5w30 synthetic on clearance at autozone for $20 / 5 quarts. They also have Chevron Delo 15w40 synthetic blend for $24 / 3 gallons on clearance. Not too bad to stock up. That Delo blend for 8 bucks a gallon is a steal. |
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Originally Posted By shrimpmoney: But the label calls for 0W40 C40 in my 911. But I also use Liqui-Moly TopTec 4110 which is 5w40 Originally Posted By shrimpmoney: Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Someone else in this thread will make fun of me for posting this story. But I had a supplier call me today with Porsche spec 5w40. They’re getting 16 drums in for the country. I just told him I’ll take them all. Without thinking about it much. That’s my way of handling inventory right now. But the label calls for 0W40 C40 in my 911. But I also use Liqui-Moly TopTec 4110 which is 5w40 C40 can be either 0w40 or 5w40. Doesn’t matter. |
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Originally Posted By RTX: That Delo blend for 8 bucks a gallon is a steal. Originally Posted By RTX: Originally Posted By millertime23: Castrol GTX 5w30 synthetic on clearance at autozone for $20 / 5 quarts. They also have Chevron Delo 15w40 synthetic blend for $24 / 3 gallons on clearance. Not too bad to stock up. That Delo blend for 8 bucks a gallon is a steal. Yep! I need to pick up some of that to run in my tractor! |
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Originally Posted By NEXT23: 2.4 Turbos are all 0w-20 and guess what I just, purchased.......a Grand Highlander So what's the alternative brand/equivalent  but 5w30 will be fine, too.Attached File This stash would be >$200 more expensive today if I hadn't listened to our resident Oil Doomer. |
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Originally Posted By imq707s: Just ordered 3 more gallon jugs of the Delvac 5w-40 synthetic diesel oil from Walmart.....$29 each. That's all they would let me order. That's actually the same price I paid for it 6 months ago.....so good deals are still out there. I’ve decided to move my Cummins over to 10W30…just ordered 3 gallons from Walmart today for $15 per gallon for Valvoline Premium Blue synthetic blend. Aside from towing my travel trailer a few times a year and our utility trailer it’s mostly highway and commuter miles. It also sits a bit so it gets annual changes vs. mileage based. Right now I’m due for a change in January/February 2027. The 3 gallons I picked up with last me until January/February 2028. Of course I’ll pick up some more along the way. UOAs showed it likes the Premium Blue 5W40 synthetic, so we’ll see how it likes the factory recommended 10W30. If for some reason the Cummins doesn’t care for the 10W30, I’ll just toss it in my tractor instead. That now gives me 9 gallons of 5W40 for my Ecodiesel. It’s due for a change this weekend and uses 2 gallons. I’ll pick up a single gallon and have 4 changes worth on hand at that time. The Jeep it’s in is our primary vehicle, so it gets the most miles and I run a 7500 mile OCI, which is a little less than a year typically for us. Still going to stash a few more 5 quart jugs of 5W30 as well, mostly to shield us from price increases for a bit. |
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Originally Posted By lorazepam: Gas went up 40 cents, and diesel went up 80 cents per gallon here this morning. E-10 regular now 4.50 a gallon and diesel is 6.10 a gallon. There was a sudden 60 cent base oil increase today as well. |
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: There was a sudden 60 cent base oil increase today as well. Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Originally Posted By lorazepam: Gas went up 40 cents, and diesel went up 80 cents per gallon here this morning. E-10 regular now 4.50 a gallon and diesel is 6.10 a gallon. There was a sudden 60 cent base oil increase today as well.  Between $5.99 & $6.19 around me in Northern Utah. We’re just getting ready to start a small outage at HFSinclair in North Salt Lake (we’re a contractor), so regionally that will squeeze production a bit. Marathon has one planned in January 2027 I believe as well. On the plus side it looks like futures are down a bit this morning
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Originally Posted By shrimpmoney: The 911 since 991 uses about 9 quarts Originally Posted By shrimpmoney: Originally Posted By LV1976: Assuming a conservative 5 quarts per oil change, thats enough for just 704 vehicles. The 911 since 991 uses about 9 quarts Ok, make it 350 or so vehicles then. That's a whole lot worse. |
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Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Yeah. Fuchs Titan GT1 Flex 3 5w40. And yes.. I mean, I sell oil. Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Originally Posted By 2JokersWild: Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Someone else in this thread will make fun of me for posting this story. But I had a supplier call me today with Porsche spec 5w40. They're getting 16 drums in for the country. I just told him I'll take them all. Without thinking about it much. That's my way of handling inventory right now. Yeah. Fuchs Titan GT1 Flex 3 5w40. And yes.. I mean, I sell oil.
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