Does anyone have experience with BOTH the military style gas masks that are made for the standard 40mm filters, AS WELL AS the commercial gas masks, like the 3M masks made for their own proprietary bayonet mount filters?

I've been wondering about the comparisons in airflow.

In the huge 'Battle Lines being drawn in Virginia' thread, when folks considered the possibility of encountering tear gas etc., some members mentioned viable commercial options, like 3M commercial masks, coupled with the 60923 or 60926 filters.

That raised my curiosity about these options.

The military masks are made for use with standard 40mm filters. Some types have the filter right in the middle, but many are made so the single 40mm filter can be mounted on the left, or right side, specifically so the wearer can still attain a sloppy cheekweld with a long gun.

Obviously, any kind of filter will be restrictive WRT airflow, but they're designed to be run with 1 x 40mm filter.

Does anyone have experience with BOTH, the military style masks with the 40mm filters, AND the commercial 3M style masks?

It looks like the commercial style masks are designed to be used with 2 filters; 1 on each side (no cheekweld considerations). Has anyone tried these to see what the airflow is like when used with only 1 filter, weak side, compared to the single 40mm filter masks in the same configuration?

P.S.
Aside from being able to use them for hobbyist uses, like power sanding and spray painting projects in the garage during the winter, the whole 2019-nCoV stuff is making me think that it might be useful to get a few, just in case. Trying to decide between the options, before getting a few for household prep.

Go buy a millennium. Cheap and uses 40mm.  Good view. Canister side is interchangeable.

Ouch on the price at approvedgasmasks, especially if trying to equip a household for filter compatibility.

You and I have very different definitions of inexpensive.

This

and

these

Allow for a great view, compatibility with BOTH (GET BOTH!) 3M and 40mm canisters.

If you skip the second item, you'll have to use a 40mm in the center.  With, you can pick either side, or center.

40 bucks for the mask, which includes organic vapor filters and p95 prefilters.

20 bucks for 2 40mm to 3M adapters.

LOL

I want to see your commuter car.

Surplus ones are fairly cheap but

millenium or MCU2/P.

the question isn't how much it costs.  the question is how important it will be if you reach for it.

If you are getting tear gassed just leave.

Tear gas is an area denial weapon.

Thanks for the links! I assume you've actually got these and they're GTG?

Just want to confirm that they're well-made. Last thing I'd want, is a cheap adapter that happens to be leaky, and negates the whole purpose of a sealed mask.

Anyone know if a sealed in bag new 40mm cartridge can still be effective after its expiration date?

Getting a cheap chinesium gasmask from amazon is pretty... foolish

Scott Pro gasmask for $138 (40mm, on both sides, use one or both sides as desired)

Scott Pro (mil-issue, UK made) 40mm filter $25

ETA: Trudsafe isn't even a real brand, just a made-up name for Amazon of unknown make and origin. If goggling a company only returns Amazon and eBay, the brand is crap.

Tear gas would be only one of the potential uses for them.

I am a wee bit of a prepper, and prefer items to be multi use. I like doing some home projects, power sanding and spray painting in a duct taped plastic booth in the garage. I'm also considering the potential possibility of needing these IF 2019-nCoV turns out to be as bad as some of us worry.

Being able to use it for power sanding and spray painting would be the regular/primary usage for me. Having spares with filter compatibility for the household, just in case of a pandemic, or, the possibility of tear gas are secondary uses.

Sanding and painting in a gas mask? I wouldn’t try to compromise something that I would also try to use to save my life.

Thanks. Available at approvedgasmasks at a price I can live with.

Any specific reasons not to do this?

I typically use a standard 3M half mask respirator, and safety goggles. I was just thinking that in my small plastic tarp booth in the garage, a Tyvek suit plus full face mask would make cleanup a breeze (vs occasionally getting a mild case of raccoon eyes I need to scrub off ).

I'd just use P95 oil resistant particulate filters with it on mine, with other filters available should the need arise.

It matters when the area being denied is your house.

Three months ago we were on the streets defending our neighborhoods against the communists after a police mutiny during the whole Bolivian "coup" thing, (Oct. 21 to Nov 12), for us, maintaining functionality under teargas was paramount.

Of the el cheapo, non military variety, the best ones that worked were the 3M 6000 series with carbon filters. Get the goggles.

That new Brazilian CS gas made by an evil company called Condor, is nastier than any of the US made stuff they shot at us and probably lethal in a confined space. Lots of people passed out in the riots.

You just don’t need that level of protection or filtration for sanding or finishing projects is all. 1/2 mask with glasses or face shield is more than enough. I would save my gas mask (after fitting and practice) for real emergencies so you know where it is and know it isn’t compromised from use.

This is what I own and bank on myself. Close examination revealed nothing iffy on the construction.  Rubber pieces are silicone, which is a step up from my old M-17.

The 40mm adapters are some hard polymer.  There's a gasket in the bottom where the 20mm cartridge seats. The mask has a gasket where the 3M cartridge seats.

As with any mask, good fit and proper seal depends on the mask and your face. Leave the 3M filters off this one, put it on, put your palms over the inlets and breathe in.  If you aren't getting anyy air, then you have a good seal.  Put your hands down now, Eugene.

Interesting post for sure.  One doesn't see that level of personal knowledge on such an esoteric topic that often.

I don't have any experience with commercial masks, but I know that military issue M17 series,  M40 series, and MCU-2/P masks work very well and will store forever.  Whatever the military uses for rubber seals with the wearer perfectly and seems to last a lifetime.

ETA:  Do NOT buy a Soviet gas mask, as the rubber doesn't last that long.  I just inspected mine (given to me in 1997, but made in 1975), and the rubber has turned from gray to brown and fell apart.  In fact, I'd say they were probably designed to be thrown away after very little use as an expendable item.

It's not a PLSS for walking on the moon or doing EVA in orbit.  It's 1940's technology.

Do you even know what to look for in a protective mask?  I'll wager not there, Lone Wolf.

Any other info to share? Good info. Sounds crazy. I’d love to hear more. Hopefully it all ended ok for you.

It’s not like I said to go buy a fm53.

If you need a gas mask, you’d have to be retarded to look at painting masks.

Any other info to share? Good info. Sounds crazy. I’d love to hear more. Hopefully it all ended ok for you.

This whole thing started with an election fraud where our now departed president, Evo Morales unplugged the election vote counting system.

Everybody went apeshit. We stopped going to work and we took to the streets nation wide. In the begining it was us versus the riot cops. A bunch of kids torched a few buildings in eight states and we got gassed like all hell. we roadblocked the crap out of our cities and brought things to a stand still.

Most of the university kids used surgical masks dipped in water with sodium bicarbonate to counter the gas. That shit does not work. And its your loss of vision with the irritant in your eyes that will fuck you up.

This new CS shit the brazillians are making is not readily noticeable after they fire it, it kind of lingers with a tingly sensation, like the old head and shoulders, and then it just shuts your lungs down and gives you a real dose of panic.

This is when everybody freaks out runs and trips over each other. My buddy dragged out a passed out university girl from one of those riots. In a mess like this, situational awareness is paramount.

We weren't just fighting the cops. The government threw their shock troops at us. Communists always have a hard squad and we went at it with these guys with sticks and stones. The cops would protect them and gas our guys. Real nasty. That was the first couple of weeks.

Also, you do not want to run around with a military mask in one of these protests, because that makes you a target for the police intel assholes and infiltrated communusts looking for riot leadership. That sort of equipment attracts the wrong kind of attention in this part of the world. A girl and i had to shake a tail going home after one if these disasters because we were wearing respirators.

After that, the communists sent hoards of their supporters to attack our neighborhoods. That was fucking crazy. There were no cops, and basically it was mad max shit. We actually had motorcycle gangs acting as medieval cavalry.

On the ground people wore hard hats, motorcycle gear, we made shields out of oil drums, fashioned clubs out of pick handles, and even made molotovs to fight these assholes.

We couldn't shoot the fuckers because we lost all of our guns in boating accidents, and really because we were a peaceful revolution, and we did not want to discredit the movement. things got really stupid until the cops sided with the civilian population and revolted.

Then we had a couple crazy nights where they sent hoards of 200 guys to fuck up our residential neighborhoods. They torched 64 police stations and the cops started handing out riot gear to our kids because they were out manned.

Finally the army turned against the government, the communists resigned, and things got back to normal, or sort of.

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That all sounds amazing!   I read the wiki article about the disturbance and they really soft pedaled it as far as how hard the government cracked down.  And they made it sound like all the violence was perpetrated by the protesters.

Some lessons there to be learned.

I work anti-counterfeiting for a living and Amazon is a main issue I deal with. I can tell you as a professional that the mask and listing there has all the signs of barely-functional chinesium crap. Buy it for paining maybe (though a decent painting-grade 3M is the same price) but not for serious protective equipment.

Fuck, this is a forum built around tools that almost all cost more (usually vastly more) than the proven and high-quality mask I posted a link to. I bet you've shot more in a single range trip than that mask cost, but you would rather buy the gas-mask equivalent to gas station sushi than spend what a normal grocery trip cost on decent kit.

https://m.facebook.com/JuniorAriasP/videos/514499169393574/

Damn...

The motorcycle mad max dudes:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hzQPTtYxnpM

No shit.

Thanks for sharing, tads.

OK. Scotts Promask for protection. 3M for hobby.

Odds are it's fine, unless an OSHA inspector sees it.  I suppose the activated charcoal (in a VOC or NBC filter) is going to lose some capacity over time, as the sealed bag leaks. I wouldn't think the particulate rating would change over time at all.

I've used lots of expired filters.

Yawn.

I've had enough years of scuba diving, military nbc training, and general all around knowledge to make an evaluation on something as simple as a gas mask.

Besides, all the magic is in the damn filters. If you're not even bringing that up in the conversation, you're not worth any more of my time.

One big cycle gang. Hell to fight government troops and cops. Good fight.

I need to check mine... I think they're czech.the ones with the cheek filters.

Thanks for that opinion and matching my own thoughts on it.

I’ll keep those expired ones around for particulate use only if ever needed. Have new standard use ones on the way along with CBRN

You also mentioned using the mask for viral infections.

I hope you dont mean wearing one, with gloves, and full ppe all day everyday

Iirc filters dont degrade unless you are using them. They only filter when airflow is flowing.

I guess there's some risk of material breakdown.

What's a decent set to buy if you wear glasses?  Looks to me that most of those seal tightly across the temples which would make eyewear an issue... I know, I know, only those who have had Lasik can boog with the loos, amirite?

I bought a NIB surplus Israeli gas mask on whim 10 years ago when I was buying some other stuff from Sportsmans Guide.  I think it was about $20.

Threw it in a tote in the basement and forgot about it.

Pulled it out for the Virginia Rally, popped the seal on the filter cartridge and put it on and it test functioned fine.  The rubber was all good too.

Sportsman's guide still has them

Israeli Gas Mask

If you were referring to my post, heck no. It's a 'just in case' measure, in the event of some kind of pandemic (eg. If this 2019-nCoV turns into the next 1918 Spanish Flu), in case I need to go outside for some reason.

@ceetee

Eyeglasses are a problem with gas masks.

CRISS MAG1 frames work VERY well and are G.I Approved.

They won't fall off if you are "active" and the thin temple seals perfectly with a mask.

CRISS MAG 1 Frames LINK



Shop around - you can find these for $20 online and then just have your optician make Rx Lenses.

BIGGER_HAMMER

Oh If you can "score" while wearing these, you are a MAN among men...  

If you bought a new gas mask (in my case an Israeli type) approximately 10-14 years ago, what can you do to see that age hasn't compromised it? What should you look for? Lastly, what 40mm NBC filter would you recommend? Approvedgasmasks.com has quite a few and I'm unsure which I should get (provided my checks of the mask prove the mask is still good).

make sure none of the rubber is cracked or hardened up, especially around the edges

Any 40mm filter made in a Western Country is generally fine. I've seen Scott Pro (UK military maker) ones go new for $25 or so.

Thank you for the info.

Just don't cheap out and get some Chinese (or off-brand/Amazon, which is usually the same thing) filter. Some people do that, for reasons that are well beyond me. They are not worth the plastic they are filled with. Get a known filter from a known company and get it somewhere besides Amazon, who knowingly lets counterfeit medical supplies be sold on their marketplace, and has been caught many times as a counterfeit seller themselves.

If you're worried about a personal gas mask for anything beyond sanding drywall, you're fucked.
Do you know how to exchange filters in the contaminated zone?
What is your decontamination plan once you reach the clear area?

You cannot wear a mask in VA in public it's a felony without the property owner's permission or a medical affidavit

Kharn

The bayonet to 40mm adapter was posted already, but I rather like the other way around, 40mm to bayonet.

It lets you run commercial filters, and there are an everloving shit-ton of those kicking around with various levels of protection.  Using a full on 40mm NBC filter is overkill for some applications.

You can also get parts that let you run P95 3M pre-filters as standalone filters, which means you can hook up any 40mm mask with them at about $1 a pop for 30-40 hours of wear.   Cheap, light, and low profile, if that's all you need.

Main advantage of using a real military mask, particularly a US one, is being able to drink with the mask on.

I bought a cheap Ebay mask that takes either style filter. Fit seems good and I've used it a few times while working in the garage, no issues so far. I used it with the 3m bayonet style filters not the 40mm.

ETA https://ebay.us/KqnaOS

No affiliation with this guy other than buying a couple of $30 masks from him.

Way ahead of you there. Already planned purchasing from approvedgasmasks.com.

If you have the matching hydration equipment and have practiced using it. Otherwise you swim in your mask.

Kharn