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Posted: 2/19/2021 2:58:28 PM EDT
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This thread had run a long time so I may have posted this previously.
The 6th Bomb Group, mission 47 - fire bombing of Kobe Japan, 4 June 1945.  |
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Posted: 2/19/2021 11:24:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UtahShotgunner: Probably not. Bomb bay doors are open. It looks like to me - maybe they dropped, and are starting the turn around. That's some serious flak. |
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Posted: 2/19/2021 11:51:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 13starsinax: It looks like to me - maybe they dropped, and are starting the turn around. That's some serious flak. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 13starsinax: Originally Posted By UtahShotgunner: Probably not. Bomb bay doors are open. It looks like to me - maybe they dropped, and are starting the turn around. That's some serious flak. If you look at the bottom of that pic, it looks like they visited Kobe previously.  ETA so I'm not a freeloader again: Tokyo:   Osaka: 
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Posted: 2/20/2021 10:30:35 AM EDT
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It's terrible to look at from our point of view so far removed, but they started it, and we finished it.
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Posted: 2/20/2021 12:38:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 13starsinax: It looks like to me - maybe they dropped, and are starting the turn around. That's some serious flak. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 13starsinax: Originally Posted By UtahShotgunner: Probably not. Bomb bay doors are open. It looks like to me - maybe they dropped, and are starting the turn around. That's some serious flak. Back in the 70s I met someone that flew with my dad. He told me dad never said, "Bombs away!" He always said, "Get the hell out of here!" Combat missions were divided into two parts, Uncle Sam's and theirs. The minute they toggled it became their half. |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 1:23:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By piccolo: Back in the 70s I met someone that flew with my dad. He told me dad never said, "Bombs away!" He always said, "Get the hell out of here!" Combat missions were divided into two parts, Uncle Sam's and theirs. The minute they toggled it became their half. Piccolo - your father was a bombadier? |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 3:03:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By armoredman: It's terrible to look at from our point of view so far removed, but they started it, and we finished it. Tokyo (and really all of Japan) is a beautiful place. I've been fortunate enough to visit many times. Many of the pre-WWII historical structures were destroyed, including a large portion of the Imperial Palace Gardens. One of the large wooden gates has a plaque that reads something like "This gate was reconstructed in 1947 to replace the original that was damaged by fire in 1945." |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 3:05:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4v50: Piccolo - your father was a bombadier? Bombardier/navigator. Like more than would admit, he was PISSED at being sent to war. In his words, "I joined the AAF because I didn't have the balls to be an infantryman and outright murder some poor bastard." He flew, did his job and was most likely very resentful. The reason he wound up being in bombers is because during fighter school he got caught rat shack racing and buzzed a herd of cattle that stampeded and got he caught. Funny story on how he tried to escape getting nailed. He got reassigned to bomber training. Sent to England he flew several missions and got sent home early to transition into B29s. I never found out how that came to be. While raising me I know he didn't like government very much. Not just our government but governments in general. He considered them a necessary evil. It pissed him off that governments could arbitrarily send kids off to get killed. He was a Warrant officer until his discharge and was actually offered a captaincy to teach at West Point! He refused and upon discharge his warrant was upgraded to 1LT. He was NOT a happy camper when I joined the army. His return to civilian life was a lot like the Dana Andrews character in 'The best years of our lives'. ETA when I wasn't doing well in school he asked me if I wanted to learn how to navigate a B-29. For the entire school year ans well into the summer it was the kitchen table with a Big CHief tablet and a pencil a three or four hours five or sometimes six or seven nights a week. My 'final exam' was a 21 hour long day at the kitchen table where we 'flew' a tabletop mission from Tinian to Osaka and back. Now think about this. I had to solve the star shots and sun lines as nevigator. I would take the 3-5 stars he gave me and reduce them to get lines of position. To give me the problems to solve he would have had to start at the position he wanted me at and work the entire thing out BACKWARDS to figure out where the star would be at what time to give me the problem to solve! When you think about it, it boggles the mind! |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 9:39:10 PM EDT
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XP-47H, Jug with a 2,500hp inline 16 cylinder instead of a radial, she's mean lookin':
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Posted: 2/21/2021 9:54:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By piccolo: Bombardier/navigator. Like more than would admit, he was PISSED at being sent to war. In his words, "I joined the AAF because I didn't have the balls to be an infantryman and outright murder some poor bastard." He flew, did his job and was most likely very resentful. The reason he wound up being in bombers is because during fighter school he got caught rat shack racing and buzzed a herd of cattle that stampeded and got he caught. Funny story on how he tried to escape getting nailed. He got reassigned to bomber training. Sent to England he flew several missions and got sent home early to transition into B29s. I never found out how that came to be. While raising me I know he didn't like government very much. Not just our government but governments in general. He considered them a necessary evil. It pissed him off that governments could arbitrarily send kids off to get killed. He was a Warrant officer until his discharge and was actually offered a captaincy to teach at West Point! He refused and upon discharge his warrant was upgraded to 1LT. He was NOT a happy camper when I joined the army. His return to civilian life was a lot like the Dana Andrews character in 'The best years of our lives'. ETA when I wasn't doing well in school he asked me if I wanted to learn how to navigate a B-29. For the entire school year ans well into the summer it was the kitchen table with a Big CHief tablet and a pencil a three or four hours five or sometimes six or seven nights a week. My 'final exam' was a 21 hour long day at the kitchen table where we 'flew' a tabletop mission from Tinian to Osaka and back. Now think about this. I had to solve the star shots and sun lines as nevigator. I would take the 3-5 stars he gave me and reduce them to get lines of position. To give me the problems to solve he would have had to start at the position he wanted me at and work the entire thing out BACKWARDS to figure out where the star would be at what time to give me the problem to solve! When you think about it, it boggles the mind! I'm sure it wasn't fun at the time, but that's good experience. I've used LORAN, Satnav, SINS, dead reckoning and early GPS to navigate out in the middle of freaking nowhere in the IO and Pacific, but we had computers to do all the math. I always thought being able to shoot stars with a sextant would be pretty kick ass. I need to add that to the list of stuff I need to learn. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 6:45:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Mal_means_bad]
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Yugoslavian partisan tank brigade, trained and equipped by the British, mostly M3 Stuarts. Landed in Yugoslavia Sept 1944. German operated tanks supporting their occupation forces were a mixed bag of captured vehicles from all over the place.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 8:43:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:44:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/23/2021 10:52:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By birdbarian: I'm sure it wasn't fun at the time, but that's good experience. I've used LORAN, Satnav, SINS, dead reckoning and early GPS to navigate out in the middle of freaking nowhere in the IO and Pacific, but we had computers to do all the math. I always thought being able to shoot stars with a sextant would be pretty kick ass. I need to add that to the list of stuff I need to learn. That is a great story and goes to show how reliant we've become on technology. While it makes our lives easier, I do wonder if it also means we're losing some critical skills that might come in handy in the future. I am teaching my kids some basic dead reckon navigating with a compass and landmarks in the hope that, God forbid, their GPS and google maps ever fails they have at least enough to go on to find safety. |
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Posted: 2/24/2021 2:40:55 PM EDT
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Curtiss A-18 Shrike II ground attack aircraft
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Posted: 2/24/2021 2:52:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/25/2021 2:34:25 PM EDT
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Setting up point blank tank ambush, Holland. Hopefully a fighter bomber took them out, or a spotter got off a warning.
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Posted: 2/25/2021 7:13:59 PM EDT
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Nakajima C6N Saiun (Iridescent Cloud); Allied reporting name: Myrt. Reconnaissance aircraft.
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Posted: 2/25/2021 9:48:30 PM EDT
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Can never get a photo to appear ? How do you do that? Thanks, Zorro
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Posted: 2/26/2021 9:54:48 AM EDT
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British troops who have invaded Vichy Syria pass in the shadow of Al-Naurah al-Muhammadiyah, a water wheel built in 1361 to feed the aqueduct from the Orontes River.
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Posted: 2/26/2021 5:28:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: johosjokers]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By birdbarian: If you look at the bottom of that pic, it looks like they visited Kobe previously. ETA so I'm not a freeloader again: Tokyo: https://coololdphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2015/10/3c11516u-1024x832.jpg https://coololdphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2015/10/3c11517u-1024x836.jpg Osaka: https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/service/pnp/cph/3c00000/3c04000/3c04700/3c04726v.jpg Wondering if the large craters are from the practice A bombs? Freeloader edit. Painting represents said practice bomb.they called them pumpkin bombs. 
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Posted: 3/1/2021 11:08:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/2/2021 5:09:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/2/2021 5:56:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By osprey21: This thread had run a long time so I may have posted this previously. The 6th Bomb Group, mission 47 - fire bombing of Kobe Japan, 4 June 1945. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5c/25/92/5c2592e2ea637021a15fd78edacce4c1.jpg What is so striking about that photo is Kobe, one of Japans most important & busy seaports, and there is nothing at those wharfs or jetties but a few fishing junks in the harbor. Looks like most of the Marus were sent sleeping with the fishes... |
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Posted: 3/4/2021 5:11:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/4/2021 5:41:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172926/0727999efe90e65b252f19ea2713c472_jpg-1851394.JPG Boar Hog grind! |
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Posted: 3/4/2021 6:18:56 PM EDT
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From Reddit:
US Paratrooper Harry Hudec (1922-2007) of the 508th Parachute Infantry Regiment 82nd Airborne Division. Ready for a combat jump, note he is wearing a captured German canvas MP40 machine pistol magazine pouch for use with his M1A1 Thompson magazines. c.1944  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/4/2021 7:13:23 PM EDT
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The best looking flying boat of WWII,too bad they only built one of them. The prewar styling but with the ERCO ball and blister turrets made a great looking plane.
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Posted: 3/4/2021 8:59:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PFran42: From Reddit: US Paratrooper Harry Hudec (1922-2007) of the 508th Parachute Infantry Regiment 82nd Airborne Division. Ready for a combat jump, note he is wearing a captured German canvas MP40 machine pistol magazine pouch for use with his M1A1 Thompson magazines. c.1944 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/dp9fxcnve2l61_jpg-1851479.JPG Today the Sergeant Major would go apeshit with him for needing a shave. |
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Posted: 3/5/2021 12:35:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/5/2021 12:23:32 PM EDT
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WWI era Schneider prime mover converted by the Germans into a tank destroyer with a 5cm gun in the bed, surrendered at the end of the siege of La Rochelle, May 8 1945. These things were the size of a house and topped out at 5mph when brand new, empty, and before bolting improvised armor onto it.
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Posted: 3/5/2021 2:03:39 PM EDT
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Nazi narco tank.
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Posted: 3/5/2021 2:10:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/5/2021 2:16:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/5/2021 4:29:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryGreat nose art. Eagleston was one of our top aces. Good reminder that it takes a village to kill a Focke Wulf. Youtuber Military Aviation History is a German guy who does some original research in Luftwaffe documents, he pointed out in one video that during the scramble to redeploy fighters from behind the Calais area down to Normandy there were a lot of simultaneous fighter pilot and crew chief KIA's. During an emergency relocation the crew chief would lay down in the cargo compartment in the fuselage behind the cockpit so that he could service the aircraft immediately after the plane arrived at the new base, while it might take the rest of the maintenance crews a week or more to arrive by truck. Downside was that if the fighter got bounced along the way the pilot would have to dogfight with his crew chief bouncing around the rear fuselage and the Allied pilot might score a twofer.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 3/5/2021 5:13:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By piccolo: Today the Sergeant Major would go apeshit with him for needing a shave. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By piccolo: Originally Posted By PFran42: From Reddit: US Paratrooper Harry Hudec (1922-2007) of the 508th Parachute Infantry Regiment 82nd Airborne Division. Ready for a combat jump, note he is wearing a captured German canvas MP40 machine pistol magazine pouch for use with his M1A1 Thompson magazines. c.1944 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/309598/dp9fxcnve2l61_jpg-1851479.JPG Today the Sergeant Major would go apeshit with him for needing a shave. He doesn't look like he would care what anyone had to say. |
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Posted: 3/5/2021 5:43:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Great nose art. Eagleston was one of our top aces. Good reminder that it takes a village to kill a Focke Wulf. Youtuber Military Aviation History is a German guy who does some original research in Luftwaffe documents, he pointed out in one video that during the scramble to redeploy fighters from behind the Calais area down to Normandy there were a lot of simultaneous fighter pilot and crew chief KIA's. During an emergency relocation the crew chief would lay down in the cargo compartment in the fuselage behind the cockpit so that he could service the aircraft immediately after the plane arrived at the new base, while it might take the rest of the maintenance crews a week or more to arrive by truck. Downside was that if the fighter got bounced along the way the pilot would have to dogfight with his crew chief bouncing around the rear fuselage and the Allied pilot might score a twofer. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172926/upload_2018-1-17_10-41-50_png-1852706.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172926/Bf110_Dackle_build_319_jpg-1852707.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Great nose art. Eagleston was one of our top aces. Good reminder that it takes a village to kill a Focke Wulf. Youtuber Military Aviation History is a German guy who does some original research in Luftwaffe documents, he pointed out in one video that during the scramble to redeploy fighters from behind the Calais area down to Normandy there were a lot of simultaneous fighter pilot and crew chief KIA's. During an emergency relocation the crew chief would lay down in the cargo compartment in the fuselage behind the cockpit so that he could service the aircraft immediately after the plane arrived at the new base, while it might take the rest of the maintenance crews a week or more to arrive by truck. Downside was that if the fighter got bounced along the way the pilot would have to dogfight with his crew chief bouncing around the rear fuselage and the Allied pilot might score a twofer. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172926/upload_2018-1-17_10-41-50_png-1852706.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172926/Bf110_Dackle_build_319_jpg-1852707.JPG The nose art was pretty spectacular - 
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Posted: 3/6/2021 2:04:17 PM EDT
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B-24 scrapyard somewhere in the Pacific. Interesting nose art on the aircraft in the foreground.
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Posted: 3/8/2021 9:37:43 AM EDT
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The US transferred 11 Bogue class escort carriers to the Royal Navy under Lend Lease, which redesignated them the Attacker class. Attackers first did ASW patrols with Fairey Swordfish then replaced them with US built Avengers and Wildcats, fought in all theaters.
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Posted: 3/9/2021 5:32:18 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/9/2021 6:28:44 AM EDT
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 1st Lt Harry Welsh returned to Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania and married Catherine Grogan on December 29, 1945. Kitty used Harry's reserved parachute as the fabric for her gown. |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 11:23:57 AM EDT
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"Scarecrow" appears amidst RAF daylight bomber formation:
 Attached FileLancaster pilot's log entry:  Attached FileRAF crews believed that the Germans occasionally used a monster flak shell they called a "scarecrow" that simulated a bomber exploding for psychological effect. In fact post-war records uncovered that no such shell existed, they had probably observed bombers either exploding when hit by unseen fighters (often at night) or spontaneously exploding from faulty bomb fuses. Neither likely explanation would make the crews any happier, so it seems RAF command chose not to discourage scarecrow speculation. |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 1:44:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 22caliberKIDD]
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USS South Dakota Battleship damage after the Naval Battle of Guadalcanal...at least 26 hits taken.
 Attached FileDetailed pictures and descriptions of each hit here...plus much more clear version of above photo... https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/w/war-damage-reports/uss-south-dakota-bb57-war-damage-report-no57.html |
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Posted: 3/9/2021 5:36:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 22caliberKIDD: USS South Dakota Battleship damage after the Naval Battle of Guadalcanal...at least 26 hits taken. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/321106/0323F6F3-3436-4318-AB22-9A21829B58CD_jpe-1858679.JPG Detailed pictures and descriptions of each hit here...plus much more clear version of above photo... https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/w/war-damage-reports/uss-south-dakota-bb57-war-damage-report-no57.html WOW! An amazing series of photographs, Thank You! |
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Posted: 3/10/2021 6:23:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Mal_means_bad]
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Project Aphrodite BQ-7, worn out B-17 converted into a radio controlled bomb. Pilots were required for takeoff so the cockpit was relocated to the roof of the aircraft and left open so they could parachute out more conveniently. Failed project. Several crews were killed by premature detonation, or by trouble bailing out, the mothership controlling the bomber was destroyed on one occasion by the blast, the bombers were easily shot down and usually missed the target. One of the Kennedys was killed flying a B-24 version.
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Posted: 3/11/2021 11:06:26 AM EDT
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RAF Liberator 'V Victor' hit by two bombs when somebody got out of formation
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Posted: 3/11/2021 12:46:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mal_means_bad: Project Aphrodite BQ-7, worn out B-17 converted into a radio controlled bomb. Pilots were required for takeoff so the cockpit was relocated to the roof of the aircraft and left open so they could parachute out more conveniently. Failed project. Several crews were killed by premature detonation, or by trouble bailing out, the mothership controlling the bomber was destroyed on one occasion by the blast, the bombers were easily shot down and usually missed the target. One of the Kennedys was killed flying a B-24 version. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172926/HighFlight-Aphrodite3_jpg-1860162.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172926/1482244582_op_-aphrodite-9_jpg-1860163.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/172926/1482244539_op_-aphrodite-1_jpg-1860164.JPG That was Joe Kennedy, USN. Joe Sr cut a deal with the Navy that Joe was to take one of these infernal machines off and hit the silk once it gained altitude. There was to be a Navy Cross waiting for him when he hit the ground. Joe Sr wanted his oldest to be a war hero for political reasons. Joe Jr was being groomed to become POTUS. Oops! Boom! Sucked to be him! So much for Plan A. Enter Plan B. Time to shift the grooming over to #2 son, Jack, who already was a legitimate war hero after he lost PT109. |
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Posted: 3/12/2021 3:57:43 PM EDT
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The Prudential building, tallest in Warsaw, hit by a 2 ton mortar shell during the Warsaw Uprising:
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Posted: 3/15/2021 8:16:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Mal_means_bad]
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One night during the invasion of Kwajalein the captain of the battleship Indiana radioed that he was turning left, but instead he turned right, into the path of the battleship Washington. Washington attempted to evade but couldn't. 10 killed, both ships into drydock, Washington had to have her entire bow replaced.
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Posted: 3/15/2021 8:39:06 PM EDT
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That was a deadly oops
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