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Posted: 3/16/2023 9:29:26 AM EDT
[#1]
If you read the transcript, it’s a pretty weak sauce link via a distributor with zero context.
I’m going to call it a non-story until proven otherwise. |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 9:31:27 AM EDT
[#2]
I almost read that as Hesse……. I was thinking sending their stuff from a crappy gun maker might be a good thing
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Posted: 3/16/2023 9:33:24 AM EDT
[#3]
F1 racing doesn’t pay for itself
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Posted: 3/16/2023 9:34:20 AM EDT
[#4]
Haha, Haas are about the worst CNC machine you can buy.
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Posted: 3/16/2023 9:35:55 AM EDT
[#5]
Self correcting problem, the Haas machines are probably broken down by now anyway
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Posted: 3/16/2023 9:38:19 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Self correcting problem, the Haas machines are probably broken down by now anyway Haha First thing I thought when I read the article. |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 9:42:24 AM EDT
[#7]
It’s ok. They will be clapped out by years end anyway.
^ (Okuma Master Race) |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 9:44:04 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s ok. They will be clapped out by years end anyway. ^ (Okuma Master Race)  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 9:44:39 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: F1 racing doesn’t pay for itself |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 9:51:08 AM EDT
[#10]
What’s wrong with haas machines?
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Posted: 3/16/2023 9:52:52 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What’s wrong with haas machines? What’s wrong with a Russian Lada vs a Toyota Land Cruiser? |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 9:53:28 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What's wrong with a Russian Lada vs a Toyota Land Cruiser? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What's wrong with haas machines? What's wrong with a Russian Lada vs a Toyota Land Cruiser? 
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Posted: 3/16/2023 9:55:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you read the transcript, it's a pretty weak sauce link via a distributor with zero context. I'm going to call it a non-story until proven otherwise. "Haas no longer supplies machines, replacement parts, or anything else to any companies in Russia. Statements to the contrary are false." But our investigation puts that account into doubt. Customs records reviewed by "NewsHour" show that shipments continued for months after Russia's invasion began. At least 18 shipments were made to Russia directly from Haas worth $2.8 million from March 4 through October of last year. $2.8 million certainly doesn't get you a lot of CNC machines or parts though. It's not like this was a scheme by Haas to get filthy rich from the war, especially since demand for CNC equipment by the wealthy NATO/US MIC must also be through the roof. Maybe the distributor got into a jam after shipping something to the Russians with critical parts backordered and somebody at the Haas mothership unwisely consented to help the distributor out. |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 9:57:24 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Land Cruisers are overpriced. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What's wrong with haas machines? What's wrong with a Russian Lada vs a Toyota Land Cruiser?  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 9:57:59 AM EDT
[#15]
For ol'Gene sake I hope this isn't true. His asshole is probably still sore from his last prison stint.
ITAR is no joke. |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 9:59:35 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Land Cruisers are overpriced. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What's wrong with haas machines? What's wrong with a Russian Lada vs a Toyota Land Cruiser?  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 10:00:21 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For ol'Gene sake I hope this isn't true. His asshole is probably still sore from his last prison stint. ITAR is no joke. |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 10:02:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What’s wrong with haas machines? They occupy a (large) market segment. Within that segment they're fine. Expecting the machines to do things they aren't designed to leads to a lot of disappointment, and Haas had a habit of overstating capabilities. They also fairly well dominate the educational scene, for better or worse (I vote worse). |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 10:02:41 AM EDT
[#19]
Meh, who really gives a shit. He’s running a business and a customer wanted something. Not like he was selling him plans for the f-35 or other classified shit.
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Posted: 3/16/2023 10:03:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's wrong with haas machines? I use one regularly. It's fine. Not the best. |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 10:13:20 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh, who really gives a shit. He’s running a business and a customer wanted something. Not like he was selling him plans for the f-35 or other classified shit. These sales, if true, probably violate ITAR restrictions among other things. A lot of machining equipment is subject to ITAR because it can be used to make advanced military hardware there's really no other way to make. And the US takes ITAR very seriously. In fact, right now I have a Citizen lathe that got bumped by a forklift hard enough last night that it's movement alarm was triggered. It's now on a 72 hour countdown before it shuts it's self off, because it thinks it may have gotten resold to someone not authorized to have it. Im waiting on Citizen to send me a code specific to that machines serial number and today's date to reset it. This is all due to ITAR requirements. |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 10:18:12 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Haha, Haas are about the worst CNC machine you can buy. This. Should've bought Mazzak |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 10:19:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: These sales, if true, probably violate ITAR restrictions among other things. A lot of machining equipment is subject to ITAR because it can be used to make advanced military hardware there's really no other way to make. And the US takes ITAR very seriously. In fact, right now I have a Citizen lathe that got bumped by a forklift hard enough last night that it's movement alarm was triggered. It's now on a 72 hour countdown before it shuts it's self off, because it thinks it may have gotten resold to someone not authorized to have it. Im waiting on Citizen to send me a code specific to that machines serial number and today's date to reset it. This is all due to ITAR requirements. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Meh, who really gives a shit. He’s running a business and a customer wanted something. Not like he was selling him plans for the f-35 or other classified shit. These sales, if true, probably violate ITAR restrictions among other things. A lot of machining equipment is subject to ITAR because it can be used to make advanced military hardware there's really no other way to make. And the US takes ITAR very seriously. In fact, right now I have a Citizen lathe that got bumped by a forklift hard enough last night that it's movement alarm was triggered. It's now on a 72 hour countdown before it shuts it's self off, because it thinks it may have gotten resold to someone not authorized to have it. Im waiting on Citizen to send me a code specific to that machines serial number and today's date to reset it. This is all due to ITAR requirements. I have a couple of machines similarly equipped with GPS to alert the manufacturer that the machine has been moved. It bricks the control until a company technician logs the location and resets it. |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 10:19:56 AM EDT
[#24]
Don’t give a shit. Still going to happily hit run/start at the beginning on the day.
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Posted: 3/16/2023 10:29:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: F1 racing doesn't pay for itself |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 10:35:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you read the transcript, it’s a pretty weak sauce link via a distributor with zero context. I’m going to call it a non-story until proven otherwise. My dad owns a manufacturing company that makes equipment for the aerospace industry. Some of his equipment ended up in Iran. I was about 15 years old the first time the FBI and CIA visited my house. Equipment was sold to a Canadian equipment distributor who sold it to the Iranian Government. |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 10:36:59 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This, didn't gene have a Russian sugar daddy before the war? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: F1 racing doesn't pay for itself https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a39265950/haas-f1-drops-nikita-mazepin-uralkali-sponsorship/ https://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/33459963/mazepins-demand-uralkali-money-back-haas |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 10:38:10 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Self correcting problem, the Haas machines are probably broken down by now anyway And waiting for months for some third party repairman with his bag of Harbor Freight tools to show up to stare at the fucking thing for a week before declaring it unfixable. |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 10:38:35 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My dad owns a manufacturing company that makes equipment for the aerospace industry. Some of his equipment ended up in Iran. I was about 15 years old the first time the FBI and CIA visited my house. Equipment was sold to a Canadian equipment distributor who sold it to the Iranian Government. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you read the transcript, it's a pretty weak sauce link via a distributor with zero context. I'm going to call it a non-story until proven otherwise. My dad owns a manufacturing company that makes equipment for the aerospace industry. Some of his equipment ended up in Iran. I was about 15 years old the first time the FBI and CIA visited my house. Equipment was sold to a Canadian equipment distributor who sold it to the Iranian Government. |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 10:41:16 AM EDT
[#30]
Fuck haas.
Gene is a dick. His machines are shit. I wonder if Haas will get the Strelok treatment. |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 10:42:10 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That sucks. I've done FMS and DCS to multiple countries and yeah they always make damn sure the buyer country is the end user country even on non-restricted or dual use technologies. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you read the transcript, it's a pretty weak sauce link via a distributor with zero context. I'm going to call it a non-story until proven otherwise. My dad owns a manufacturing company that makes equipment for the aerospace industry. Some of his equipment ended up in Iran. I was about 15 years old the first time the FBI and CIA visited my house. Equipment was sold to a Canadian equipment distributor who sold it to the Iranian Government. This was the mid 90's. If I remember correctly, several crate of spare parts were sent, and I am sure they were embedded with tracking devices. These machines are not used for much, but mostly used for jet and rocket engines, etc... So.... My dad's client list is a who's who of DoD contractors. |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 10:43:59 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/16/2023 10:48:13 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And waiting for months for some third party repairman with his bag of Harbor Freight tools to show up to stare at the fucking thing for a week before declaring it unfixable. At my work we had a haas dealer send some guys out to set up a vf4 and a st30. Supposed to be a 1 day job. Took them 3 days. I was not impressed. |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 10:51:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: These sales, if true, probably violate ITAR restrictions among other things. A lot of machining equipment is subject to ITAR because it can be used to make advanced military hardware there's really no other way to make. And the US takes ITAR very seriously. In fact, right now I have a Citizen lathe that got bumped by a forklift hard enough last night that it's movement alarm was triggered. It's now on a 72 hour countdown before it shuts it's self off, because it thinks it may have gotten resold to someone not authorized to have it. Im waiting on Citizen to send me a code specific to that machines serial number and today's date to reset it. This is all due to ITAR requirements. Quote HistoryQuoted: These sales, if true, probably violate ITAR restrictions among other things. A lot of machining equipment is subject to ITAR because it can be used to make advanced military hardware there's really no other way to make. And the US takes ITAR very seriously. In fact, right now I have a Citizen lathe that got bumped by a forklift hard enough last night that it's movement alarm was triggered. It's now on a 72 hour countdown before it shuts it's self off, because it thinks it may have gotten resold to someone not authorized to have it. Im waiting on Citizen to send me a code specific to that machines serial number and today's date to reset it. This is all due to ITAR requirements. I've gone through the same thing a few times. Moving a Citizen machine around the shop...have to sign a form with the date, model, serial number and PLC counter value. Last time the spring contacts in the battery box for the transfer detector corroded and it lost power. Quoted: And waiting for months for some third party repairman with his bag of Harbor Freight tools to show up to stare at the fucking thing for a week before declaring it unfixable. That's why we don't let Haas techs touch the machines. They wanted to do a $2300 core exchange for the IO board on a lathe when it only took $5 in parts.  |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 11:08:03 AM EDT
[#35]
Is the outrage that some Slavs had to pay for the own shit?
Or did the US finance this too? |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 11:10:11 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Technically, nothing. There are just plenty of stronger, faster, stiffer, machines out there that require much less maintenance. I use one regularly. It's fine. Not the best. My boss was considering one. I dont know anything about CNC machines |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 11:27:47 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My boss was considering one. I dont know anything about CNC machines For a lot of shops a Haas makes perfect sense, just like a lot of shops would do perfectly fine with a Tormach, or even a prototrak. But the internet is full of people running the latest and greatest $800k machine and will assure you that anything less is useless. It's a lot like gun culture, actually. |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 11:32:33 AM EDT
[#38]
How is it our or Ukraine's business who Haas sells michines to?
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Posted: 3/16/2023 11:37:07 AM EDT
[#39]
I was hand coding my UMC 1000, what did I miss?
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Posted: 3/16/2023 11:39:29 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How is it our or Ukraine's business who Haas sells michines to? The kinds of machines Haas makes are export controlled items because they have military uses. You can't sell Russia a VMC for the same reason you can't sell North Korea an unrestricted IMU; they're a pile of filthy cunts that'd use that shit to wage war on their neighbors. |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 11:46:36 AM EDT
[#41]
There's A LOT of ways around the ITAR requirements. Was working in an aerospace shop in 2003 that was opening up a production shop in China, could only ship our old 3 axis machines there since Gov't said nothing multi-axis could go to the CCP. Fast forward to 2008 and I get hired at Boeing as they're selling an old Cincinnati 5 axis mill. Where was it going? CCP.
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Posted: 3/16/2023 4:32:15 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Technically, nothing. There are just plenty of stronger, faster, stiffer, machines out there that require much less maintenance. I use one regularly. It's fine. Not the best. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What's wrong with haas machines? I use one regularly. It's fine. Not the best. since we are here @Jayne_Cobb, what flavor of small machine is your favorite? |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 4:41:20 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh, who really gives a shit. He’s running a business and a customer wanted something. Not like he was selling him plans for the f-35 or other classified shit. remember when Toshiba sold CNC mills to the russians who used them to produce the prop blades for their boomers?  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 4:53:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/16/2023 4:57:07 PM EDT
[#45]
Half-Assed American Shit
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Posted: 3/16/2023 4:58:21 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How is it our or Ukraine's business who Haas sells michines to? It isn't. Let the free market work, the MIC needs more money anyway. |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 5:11:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For a lot of shops a Haas makes perfect sense, just like a lot of shops would do perfectly fine with a Tormach, or even a prototrak. But the internet is full of people running the latest and greatest $800k machine and will assure you that anything less is useless. It's a lot like gun culture, actually. There’s a well known (and much hated) manufacturer that is the subject of the occasional thread here. They make what are, in my experience, quite accurate guns. Based on what I see on their IG, they use quite a few HAAS machines. I know nothing of machining so take the above for what it’s worth. |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 5:12:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/16/2023 5:27:15 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My boss was considering one. I dont know anything about CNC machines I own 7 of them. I bought all of them new except 1. Have him look at doosan. Haas has really cheapend them up the last couple years. |
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Posted: 3/16/2023 5:31:47 PM EDT
[#50]
Haas makes mediocre machines.
Nothing impressive. Dont give a fuck if theyre made in USA. There are better machines |
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