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Posted: 9/2/2023 3:24:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman: Seems you would need to keep it on a trickle charger due the remote start feature I wonder what the current draw is for the wifi or bluetooth. My Generac standby runs 10 minutes a week to keep itself healthy. That seems like more running than is really necessary, but I suspect 15 minutes once a month wouldn't keep the battery charged on a generator with battery powered connectivity. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 3:31:02 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By slow3v: FYI apparently when buying refurb on eBay they include a 2y warranty by Allstate. I ordered a refurb firman. It appears to be so. I just put another in my cart and read the details to verify. I didn't even notice that when I ordered. I was too busy verifying the price (correct) and tax (incorrectly charged on the pre-coupon price). |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 3:33:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kanati: That unit would happily run just about any window or portable unit you could find. Good point. If I ever lose power in ridiculous heat, I can put a window unit in the bedroom so I don't have to run the 3600rpm/240V generator at night. The 120V inverter will run the furnace just fine, and I only use the 240V occasionally when I need well water. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 3:43:25 PM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PepePewPew: I wonder what the current draw is for the wifi or bluetooth. My Generac standby runs 10 minutes a week to keep itself healthy. That seems like more running than is really necessary, but I suspect 15 minutes once a month wouldn't keep the battery charged on a generator with battery powered connectivity. Your generator's battery is charged through the generator control board, which gets power from the transfer switch at your house. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 3:53:13 PM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PepePewPew: Good point. If I ever lose power in ridiculous heat, I can put a window unit in the bedroom so I don't have to run the 3600rpm/240V generator at night. The 120V inverter will run the furnace just fine, and I only use the 240V occasionally when I need well water. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PepePewPew: Originally Posted By Kanati: That unit would happily run just about any window or portable unit you could find. Good point. If I ever lose power in ridiculous heat, I can put a window unit in the bedroom so I don't have to run the 3600rpm/240V generator at night. The 120V inverter will run the furnace just fine, and I only use the 240V occasionally when I need well water. That is my current solution. I have the big firman tri fuel 9kw that will run the central hvac or well pump, and a pair of 2k inverter units to run when all i need is the freezers kept on and a few lights/TV with a small window unit for the bedroom. I run them all on propane as I've been transitioning my "energy stash" from gas to propane. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/2/2023 5:21:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: John-in-austin]
[#6]
New Pulsar 4000 inverter showed up from Amazon today, running the break in procedure right now. (Amazon had a 25% off flash sale) This is a much nicer set than the Wen I already have, (Three years old)
Runs a lot quieter than the Wen too. Then again, the Wen was maxed out on the camper and this is barely using %50, so the engine isn't working as hard. One odd thing, I ordered the standard set and ended up with the CO sensor equipped one. Not sure if they ran out of the former and substituted this one, but I like it. One small quibble, the oil fill isn't as accessible as the Wen. I'm going to use a suction device on it rather than just letting it spill all over the inside of the casing. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 5:30:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Going_Commando: Your generator's battery is charged through the generator control board, which gets power from the transfer switch at your house. Mine is. I'm talking about guy who has a portable with remote start capability, parked in an unwired storage shed. First thing I'd do is look into a high current battery switch, for there's no reason to have remote start on a generator that's not kept hooked up. Or if the wiring is readily accessible, install a connector so you can unplug it. (Anderson Powerpole or similar) Suddenly I'm glad the Firman I just ordered is electric start (and pull cord), not remote start. Hopefully starting with a dead or missing battery is no worse than flipping a switch and pulling a cord. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 5:31:42 PM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kanati: I run them all on propane as I've been transitioning my "energy stash" from gas to propane. Big question: Does any "box store" have closeouts on DOT portable propane tanks after Labor Day? |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 5:40:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: Kanati]
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PepePewPew: Big question: Does any "box store" have closeouts on DOT portable propane tanks after Labor Day? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PepePewPew: Originally Posted By Kanati: I run them all on propane as I've been transitioning my "energy stash" from gas to propane. Big question: Does any "box store" have closeouts on DOT portable propane tanks after Labor Day? I've been buying 40lb tanks I find off of RV's on marketplace. They are much easier to move around than a 100. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/2/2023 5:47:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PepePewPew: Big question: Does any "box store" have closeouts on DOT portable propane tanks after Labor Day? Not that I'm aware of, but Amazon absolutely does, I've bought several at half off or a little better, also the little 5lb tanks can be had for cheap every once in a while. . Beats those disposible 1lb'ers all to heck. |
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Posted: 9/2/2023 6:17:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John-in-austin: Not that I'm aware of, but Amazon absolutely does, I've bought several at half off or a little better, also the little 5lb tanks can be had for cheap every once in a while. . Beats those disposible 1lb'ers all to heck. Thanks John. I found an ancient beat up 100lb for cheap, and I see new Chinese ones for $150-160 on fleabay and Amazon. If they were $70-80 on sale at Amazon I'd grab two in a heartbeat. Beats sanding and repainting a relic that's out of certification, and maybe putting a new valve in it. |
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Posted: 9/3/2023 1:41:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: stockshift]
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John-in-austin: New Pulsar 4000 inverter showed up from Amazon today, running the break in procedure right now. (Amazon had a 25% off flash sale) This is a much nicer set than the Wen I already have, (Three years old) @John-in-austin Is that Predator generator this one? I recently bought that model when Home Depot had a sale and just broke it in. Oil was semi-opaque and full of metal particles after only one hour of run time.  I sent the oil sample off to Blackstone yesterday and can report back on the findings. If you have that unit I'd be interested to hear how you like it. I haven't used mine "in anger" yet, only to break it in.ETA: regarding the oil spillage, did you use the included oil funnel that screws into the oil tank? It made filling/draining oil a lot easier, although not foolproof. |
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Posted: 9/3/2023 3:13:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: mitsuman47]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stockshift: @John-in-austin Is that Predator generator this one? I recently bought that model when Home Depot had a sale and just broke it in. Oil was semi-opaque and full of metal particles after only one hour of run time. I sent the oil sample off to Blackstone yesterday and can report back on the findings. If you have that unit I'd be interested to hear how you like it. I haven't used mine "in anger" yet, only to break it in.ETA: regarding the oil spillage, did you use the included oil funnel that screws into the oil tank? It made filling/draining oil a lot easier, although not foolproof. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stockshift: Originally Posted By John-in-austin: New Pulsar 4000 inverter showed up from Amazon today, running the break in procedure right now. (Amazon had a 25% off flash sale) This is a much nicer set than the Wen I already have, (Three years old) @John-in-austin Is that Predator generator this one? I recently bought that model when Home Depot had a sale and just broke it in. Oil was semi-opaque and full of metal particles after only one hour of run time. I sent the oil sample off to Blackstone yesterday and can report back on the findings. If you have that unit I'd be interested to hear how you like it. I haven't used mine "in anger" yet, only to break it in.ETA: regarding the oil spillage, did you use the included oil funnel that screws into the oil tank? It made filling/draining oil a lot easier, although not foolproof. FYI: Blackstone uses the ICP method for their analysis which I believe only goes up to 5 microns. Other labs use a different method (RDE?) that can see up to around 10 microns, I believe. So, they probably won't catch all of the large glittery bits in the UOA. Just know that it's normal, and don't lose sleep over it. I sent this sample in to see what additives the champion oil had in it, as much as wanting to see wear metals.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/3/2023 6:18:53 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stockshift: @John-in-austin Is that Predator generator this one? I recently bought that model when Home Depot had a sale and just broke it in. Oil was semi-opaque and full of metal particles after only one hour of run time. I sent the oil sample off to Blackstone yesterday and can report back on the findings. If you have that unit I'd be interested to hear how you like it. I haven't used mine "in anger" yet, only to break it in.ETA: regarding the oil spillage, did you use the included oil funnel that screws into the oil tank? It made filling/draining oil a lot easier, although not foolproof. Not the same, I'm done with the break in, three oil changes. No more metal but there is some gritty black crap (non magnetic) in the second change. I'm pretty sure I got all of it. In any case, it's running fine. DON'T use the supplied funnel when the oil is hot. It melts almost instantly.  |
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Posted: 9/3/2023 6:34:27 PM EST
[#15]
I decided to jump on the ebay firman as well. $345 shipped isn't too shabby if it runs well.
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Posted: 9/4/2023 12:43:14 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mitsuman47: Not the same generator, but here's a report I recently got back from Blackstone on a 2000w Champion that I run on propane. This was 4 hours on the champion brand oil during break-in. Oil came out excactly like you mentioned. Dark gray and glittery, which is the same as my other 3 generators have looked. UOA looks fine, and I'm sure the generator will run well for many hundreds of hours. Cool, thanks for posting the report. I will post mine when it arrives (probably 1 month from now based on previous Blackstone purchases). |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 12:45:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: stockshift]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John-in-austin: Not the same, I'm done with the break in, three oil changes. No more metal but there is some gritty black crap (non magnetic) in the second change. I'm pretty sure I got all of it. In any case, it's running fine. DON'T use the supplied funnel when the oil is hot. It melts almost instantly. That's good advice on the funnel. I waited until the engine was cool before changing the oil. My break-in procedure was to run the generator for ~1 hour (technically 1.2 hrs according to the hour meter) with conventional (Pulsar brand, included with the generator) 10W30 oil and to vary the load. I used a 1500W De'Longhi brand electric oil-filled space heater and a 6000 BTU Frigidaire brand window AC unit for load. Kill-A-Watt says the window AC draws 700W at full load and 40W(?) at idle. Varied the load from low/medium/high every 15 minutes for one hour. Therefore, that 3200W generator was running at ~2200W when the window AC and space heater were on "high". Ran the generator dry, let it cool and then changed the oil to Mobil1 10W30 full synthetic for long term use. I also used an old Radio Shack SPL (sound pressure level) meter to see if the db levels were "as advertised". I don't have the numbers in front of me, but they were not. The Pulsar generator is advertised at 59 db. Got some video and pictures of the SPL meter readings measured between 20-30 feet and from memory it was more like 70 db. I took SPL readings at 1500W load (heater only) and 2200W load (heater and AC load) and did not notice a significant difference (although to be fair my SPL meter is analog and perhaps did not have the sensitivity to differentiate between the two load settings). My 120V/30A RV power cord (for interfacing the generator to my home's transfer switch) is 30' so I figured it would be a standard distance for noise impact on the people in the house. I also pointed the exhaust away from the home/SPL meter as having the exhaust pointed towards the house doesn't seem like a good idea.I wonder, is one hour not enough for small engine break-in? 
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Posted: 9/4/2023 2:22:44 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stockshift: I wonder, is one hour not enough for small engine break-in? Run it an hour again. If the oil is clear black (suspended metal particles) the first hour wasn't enough. The only factory new generator I ever had is my 800W Sportsman. After 1/2 hr, black oil. After 3 hours, black oil that was more transparent than the first batch. Not thick sooty black like long term engine oil, more like diluted black RIT dye. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 2:23:49 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By monkeypunch: I decided to jump on the ebay firman as well. $345 shipped isn't too shabby if it runs well. Sounds like you bought the 3242 like I did. Hope it gets here tomorrow. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 4:25:39 PM EST
[#20]
Firman's eBay store has refurb 2000w/1600w running gasoline inverter generators for $200 w/code LABORDAYTWENTY
Free shipping and returns per the eBay page. 2 year warranty. Read the fine print, if there is any, for yourself. I didn't. https://www.ebay.com/itm/313964135712?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&campid=5337259887&toolid=10001&customid=2868f1ce4b6911ee8a1d82142f90b8d80INT |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 4:14:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: LnWlf]
[#21]
HVAC bros, I have a heat pump I would like to power with a generator inverter in the unlikely event of a winter outage. My LRA is 79 and the breaker in my panel is a 30a
It looks like it runs at around 4Kw but how to calculate starting watts?  |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 4:19:48 PM EST
[#22]
L Wlf, what size generator? Can you install a soft start on it?
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Posted: 9/5/2023 4:22:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: LnWlf]
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zoe17: L Wlf, what size generator? Can you install a soft start on it? I don’t have the generator yet, trying to figure out what starting wattage I would need. Maybe the safe bet would be to do 240 @ 30a which would put me at 7.2kW. I’m guessing the remaining juice comes from the capacitor |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 4:34:18 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LnWlf: I don’t have the generator yet, trying to figure out what starting wattage I would need. Maybe the safe bet would be to do 240 @ 30a which would put me at 7.2kW. I’m guessing the remaining juice comes from the capacitor Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LnWlf: Originally Posted By zoe17: L Wlf, what size generator? Can you install a soft start on it? I don’t have the generator yet, trying to figure out what starting wattage I would need. Maybe the safe bet would be to do 240 @ 30a which would put me at 7.2kW. I’m guessing the remaining juice comes from the capacitor Look up the model # on the net for more detailed specs |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 7:56:27 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PepePewPew: Run it an hour again. If the oil is clear black (suspended metal particles) the first hour wasn't enough. The only factory new generator I ever had is my 800W Sportsman. After 1/2 hr, black oil. After 3 hours, black oil that was more transparent than the first batch. Not thick sooty black like long term engine oil, more like diluted black RIT dye. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PepePewPew: Originally Posted By stockshift: I wonder, is one hour not enough for small engine break-in? Run it an hour again. If the oil is clear black (suspended metal particles) the first hour wasn't enough. The only factory new generator I ever had is my 800W Sportsman. After 1/2 hr, black oil. After 3 hours, black oil that was more transparent than the first batch. Not thick sooty black like long term engine oil, more like diluted black RIT dye. Thanks, I will run it some more. I am going to run the Mobil1 full synthetic for another hour and see how it looks. If it's dirty then back to conventional 10W30 for more break-in. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 8:25:26 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stockshift: Thanks, I will run it some more. I am going to run the Mobil1 full synthetic for another hour and see how it looks. If it's dirty then back to conventional 10W30 for more break-in. Can you not continue break in on syn even if you did conventional for the first hour or more? I guess I don't understand the difference. Thanks |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:37:06 PM EST
[#27]
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/paulabernathy_portable-generators-floating-vs-bonded-activity-7104175690555564033-RzuV?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_android
This popped up in my LinkedIn feed today. Good discussion on portable gens. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 11:19:46 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoseCuervo: Can you not continue break in on syn even if you did conventional for the first hour or more? I guess I don't understand the difference. Disclaimer: I am not a small engine expert. I have always heard that conventional is best to break in as full synthetic is too "slippery" and won't result in the proper wear-in of critical items like piston rings. I understand this view is not universal so YMMV. As an example, most automobiles ship with synthetic oil straight from the factory and it doesn't seem to harm them in the long run. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 11:34:43 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stockshift: Disclaimer: I am not a small engine expert. I have always heard that conventional is best to break in as full synthetic is too "slippery" and won't result in the proper wear-in of critical items like piston rings. I understand this view is not universal so YMMV. As an example, most automobiles ship with synthetic oil straight from the factory and it doesn't seem to harm them in the long run. If it never wears in then can it ever wear out? Modern problems my man. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 10:02:22 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: If it never wears in then can it ever wear out? Modern problems my man. I'm afraid to @ foxtrot08 due to the "lesson" I'm sure to get, but I'm sticking to my story ... 
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Posted: 9/8/2023 6:21:35 PM EST
[#31]
Who all has experience with Firman generators? I have only owned Honda’s, Champion, Winco, Northstar and Predator. Thinking of a Firman inverter / dual fuel to go with the Champion, Predator and Honda inverters. Oh, and the Sportsman 1000W inverter we all got here a few years back for like $ 99 or 129.
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Posted: 9/9/2023 9:37:57 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PepePewPew: Sounds like you bought the 3242 like I did. Hope it gets here tomorrow. Got mine today. It has some dirt and a bit of truck bed rash on the plastic. I get the feeling it went on a desert camping trip or two, then was returned. Then Firman threw it in a refurbished box and sent it to me. Hopefully run it tomorrow, but for the price it looks good. |
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Posted: 9/10/2023 9:45:31 AM EST
[#33]
Firman refurb fired right up!
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Posted: 9/10/2023 11:26:46 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By monkeypunch: Firman refurb fired right up! Good to hear! Hope it does well for you and gives you many years of service! I just recently fired up a few of my generators and plugged in a load and ran them for 15-20 minutes. Bought a few extra quarts of oil and filled up 5 Five Gallon gas cans and got 3 Twenty pound LPG tanks. Winter is coming! |
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Posted: 9/10/2023 1:35:29 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kanin: Good to hear! Hope it does well for you and gives you many years of service! I just recently fired up a few of my generators and plugged in a load and ran them for 15-20 minutes. Bought a few extra quarts of oil and filled up 5 Five Gallon gas cans and got 3 Twenty pound LPG tanks. Winter is coming! Just curious, what do you typically plug in to add load? I used a space heater for my 2500 champion break in, but don’t really want to run a space heater over summer |
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Posted: 9/10/2023 2:24:42 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jlbs009: Just curious, what do you typically plug in to add load? I used a space heater for my 2500 champion break in, but don't really want to run a space heater over summer Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jlbs009: Originally Posted By Kanin: Good to hear! Hope it does well for you and gives you many years of service! I just recently fired up a few of my generators and plugged in a load and ran them for 15-20 minutes. Bought a few extra quarts of oil and filled up 5 Five Gallon gas cans and got 3 Twenty pound LPG tanks. Winter is coming! Just curious, what do you typically plug in to add load? I used a space heater for my 2500 champion break in, but don't really want to run a space heater over summer I used a sous vide with ice water in the tub on one of mine. Hell, if you've got an air fryer and sous vide out there, you might as well take a coffee maker too.
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Posted: 9/10/2023 2:51:49 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jlbs009: Just curious, what do you typically plug in to add load? I used a space heater for my 2500 champion break in, but don’t really want to run a space heater over summer I used an electric oil-filled space heater and a window air conditioning unit. They are nice because you can vary the load (which helps break-in) by varying the temperature settings. If you have a Kill A Watt meter that helps as well. |
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Posted: 9/10/2023 6:23:27 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jlbs009: Just curious, what do you typically plug in to add load? I used a space heater for my 2500 champion break in, but don’t really want to run a space heater over summer I'm not doing a break-in, I just like to apply load to make sure the generator can make electricity. I'll plug in my garage fridge and let it run that for 20 minutes or so. I'll add some battery chargers that I have around the garage and maybe plug in a couple fans. |
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Posted: 9/10/2023 6:27:22 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jlbs009: Just curious, what do you typically plug in to add load? I used a space heater for my 2500 champion break in, but don’t really want to run a space heater over summer Why not? You are doing this outside, right? |
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Posted: 9/10/2023 6:50:29 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoseCuervo: Why not? You are doing this outside, right? if it's winter I run a cable into the garage and run it indoors. Might as well capture the heat lol. |
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Posted: 9/10/2023 7:39:13 PM EST
[#41]
Picked up a Firman 4K dual fuel inverter from the refurb sale. I will update the thread and break it in.
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Posted: 9/10/2023 7:58:21 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoseCuervo: Why not? You are doing this outside, right? Of course… guess it will balance out the kids leaving the doors open and air conditioning outside. 
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Posted: 9/10/2023 8:34:51 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jlbs009: Just curious, what do you typically plug in to add load? I used a space heater for my 2500 champion break in, but don't really want to run a space heater over summer I broke in my new Champion 2500 dual fuels over the weekend. Used 2 oil filled space heaters per generator. Put a Kill-A-Watt on each space heater to get an actual reading on wattage at low / medium / high settings. Then just juggled the space heater settings at 20 minute intervals. Worked well. |
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Posted: 9/10/2023 9:07:53 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jlbs009: Of course… guess it will balance out the kids leaving the doors open and air conditioning outside. Maybe I am missing the joke. Are you concerned about globally warming the Earth with a space heater while breaking in your genny? |
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Posted: 9/10/2023 10:08:49 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoseCuervo: Maybe I am missing the joke. Are you concerned about globally warming the Earth with a space heater while breaking in your genny? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoseCuervo: Originally Posted By jlbs009: Of course guess it will balance out the kids leaving the doors open and air conditioning outside. Maybe I am missing the joke. Are you concerned about globally warming the Earth with a space heater while breaking in your genny? |
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Posted: 9/10/2023 10:21:24 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stockshift: Disclaimer: I am not a small engine expert. I have always heard that conventional is best to break in as full synthetic is too "slippery" and won't result in the proper wear-in of critical items like piston rings. I understand this view is not universal so YMMV. As an example, most automobiles ship with synthetic oil straight from the factory and it doesn't seem to harm them in the long run. Automotive engines get ran and broke in before they are crated up and shipped to the auto plant. |
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Posted: 9/11/2023 2:20:13 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoseCuervo: Maybe I am missing the joke. Are you concerned about globally warming the Earth with a space heater while breaking in your genny? Yes, it was a joke. Global warming doesn’t exist. Generator is already broke in. Just discussing options to exercise it to keep it ready. |
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Posted: 9/11/2023 2:22:10 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mitsuman47: I think he's saying the kids have wasted money "cooling the whole neighborhood" so he might as well heat the whole neighborhood too. lol Bingo |
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Posted: 9/11/2023 6:59:45 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rtintwo: Automotive engines get ran and broke in before they are crated up and shipped to the auto plant. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rtintwo: Originally Posted By stockshift: Disclaimer: I am not a small engine expert. I have always heard that conventional is best to break in as full synthetic is too "slippery" and won't result in the proper wear-in of critical items like piston rings. I understand this view is not universal so YMMV. As an example, most automobiles ship with synthetic oil straight from the factory and it doesn't seem to harm them in the long run. Automotive engines get ran and broke in before they are crated up and shipped to the auto plant. That sounds like it makes sense but I've only bought one new car (ever) and the manual advised break-in for the first 500 miles. Keep it under 5k rpms and avoid sudden jackrabbit starts. So if it still requires some form of break-in after being installed in the car, I figure it can't hurt to follow the manual. (I still have that car, almost 12 years old and still running great despite occasional track use!) |
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Posted: 9/12/2023 7:43:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stockshift: That sounds like it makes sense but I've only bought one new car (ever) and the manual advised break-in for the first 500 miles. Keep it under 5k rpms and avoid sudden jackrabbit starts. So if it still requires some form of break-in after being installed in the car, I figure it can't hurt to follow the manual. (I still have that car, almost 12 years old and still running great despite occasional track use!) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stockshift: Originally Posted By rtintwo: Originally Posted By stockshift: Disclaimer: I am not a small engine expert. I have always heard that conventional is best to break in as full synthetic is too "slippery" and won't result in the proper wear-in of critical items like piston rings. I understand this view is not universal so YMMV. As an example, most automobiles ship with synthetic oil straight from the factory and it doesn't seem to harm them in the long run. Automotive engines get ran and broke in before they are crated up and shipped to the auto plant. That sounds like it makes sense but I've only bought one new car (ever) and the manual advised break-in for the first 500 miles. Keep it under 5k rpms and avoid sudden jackrabbit starts. So if it still requires some form of break-in after being installed in the car, I figure it can't hurt to follow the manual. (I still have that car, almost 12 years old and still running great despite occasional track use!) It’s a little strange. At the truck plant I often went to for my old engineering job they took every truck from the end of the line, straight to a row of dynos, made some connections, and ran that sucker to WIDE OPEN THROTTLE THROUGH EVERY GEAR. Kinda crazy but hey, most complete way to function check the engine, transmission, etc
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